good evening, everyone. thanks for tuning in i'm alison camerota. welcome to "cnn tonight." let's start with the culture wars. in the past 24 hours the battlefield has been noisy. more battles about books in the classroom, drama over drag shows, and gaslighting about gas stoves. here is florida governor ron desantis this morning surrounded by and taking urgent action to protect gas stoves. >> they are trying to take away your gas stove. they are coming for any little thing in your life that they can do, and i think what they want to be able to do is they ultimately want to control the amount of energy you consume. >> well, it turns 92% of floridians use electric stoves, but let's not let that get in the way. what is this really about? well, governor sarah huckabee sanders spelled it out. >> we are under attack in a left

wing culture war we didn't start and never wanted to fight. >> sure seems like some people do want this fight. but what's the truth about culture war rhetoric? we'll talk about why these messages are so powerful and why even some democrats are warning about wokeness. plus you remember the southwest airlines melt down over the holidays? well, now we have an alarming glimpse into what was going on behind the scenes while passengers were stranded including a message sent to a cockpit computer asking who's flying this plane. we have a preview of a senate hearing about all of this tomorrow. what can congress do to make flying less nerve-wracking for all of us? and the suspect in the dallas zoo animal thefts has allegedly admitted to stealing two tamarin monkeys and trying to steal a snow leopard. he also reportedly told police he wants to take more animals if he gets out of jail. jeff is here tonight to taubt ucour obsession with exotic

animals. here with me in studio we have former democratic presidential candidate andrew yang, cnn political commentator van jones, and conservative lawyer george conway. guys, i don't just talk about the news, i walk while talking about the news, okay? >> it's harder than it looks. >> thank you, vance. i appreciate you knowing that. guys, great to see you. george, is a woke mob coming to take my gas stove? i'm scared. >> you should be terrified. how are you going to cook? are you going to have to light a match or something? >> that's a gas stove. with an electric stove you just turn it on. >> maybe someday they'll have these things with lake rays or something that makes your food warm or something. >> i'm glad you're seeing the levity in all this because governor desantis is not. and so governor desantis has just enacted like tax -- you can buy a gas stove now tax free because he thinks the woke mob or he's claiming the woke mob is

coming to take your gas stove. how have we gotten here? >> honestly, it's completely insane. they can't talk about real issues anymore. they wanted to talk about limited government, they don't talk about that anymore because they don't actually want limited government. before a quarter of the national debt was created during the trump administration even before covid a lot of it was, so they can't really talk about that. and so, you know, then they don't really have a coherent -- i mean the sensible republicans agree with democrats on foreign policy alluding to ukraine and the russia. what do you they want to talk about? gas stoves, bathrooms, people like george santos who dresses in drag, i guess. >> he mixes metaphors, and we will get to him in a moment. but i do feel like the last 24

hours particularly the governor sarah huckabee sanders retort was -- i mean the culture war was loud as i said last night. what did you hear? >> well, yeah, last night we had our president biden remind us and republicans remind us why so many people voted for joe biden. biden was talking about real stuff. he was talking about economic issues, talk about bringing people together and the republican party both the people screaming, yelling and making a mockery of our process and even sarah huckabee sanders were all about division and culture war. and i do think it's because what else do they have to talk about? we have an economy that is healing. it's moving forward. 500,000 jobs created just last month. 12 million jobs in two years. you know, we've got a bunch of problems but the democrats have been trying to solve those problems. and what are you going to say? you're going to start picking on these complete nonsense issues. nobody's coming for anyone's gas stove but we're talk about it and that's what they want.

>> here was an interesting moment i thought last night where governor sarah huckabee sanders talked about the woke mob and how president biden has dealt with it. >> and he's the first man to surrender his presidency to a woke mob that can't even tell you what a woman is. the dividing line in america is no longer between right or left. the choice is between normal or crazy. >> so, andrew, the idea she's painting an 80-year-old white grandfather as, you know, susceptible to the woke mob, does that fly with people? does that resonate with people? >> well, the playbook has been the caricature the other party by its most extreme wing, and it's been working on both sides. i do want to take a moment to acknowledge my man van jones. it's been too long, van. it's rush hour again here at cnn. >> i saw you guys having a man

hug backstage. there was a lot of affection happening here. >> it's how polarized the country is where a lot of democrats regard republicans as corrupt and a threat to the country. republicans feel the same way as democrats. if you want to score points it's a lot easier to look at these folks and their loony beliefs and then beat them up. and it's amplified and augmented by social media where you can have a video and that claim and it gets a ton of likes and it gins up energy online. >> i also thought governor huckabee sanders was trying to claw back use of the word crazy. she wasn't talking about george santos or marjory tayloie tayloe or qanon. that's the word that's been used by democrats for all of that, and she was like i think trying to take it back. >> look, you saw both parties doing that as well. in other words, i think people have seen the democratic party being this party of elite kale

eaters or whatever. so you had joe biden talking about corporations ripping us off, the hotel fees and air fees, but i thought it was unfortunate. because i know sarah huckabee sanders. she's a warm person. she's a smart person. she just became governor of arkansas. arkansas needs real leadership to bring people together and she had an opportunity to show that side of herself, and instead she's chasing the crazies off the cliff calling all us crazy. there's something going wrong where someone like her when i know she knows better did that. >> they're doing it because it's a winning message. and i thought joe biden did great last night but he did the same thing where he pointed out a few republican extreme views like they're going to take away your social security and medicare. for each party it's a winnoing tactic to say look at these folks. they're trapped in a two party system where in my view the two

parties should be a party in itself. >> on the flip side, george, there are people, democrats including liberals who are starting to say that wokeness is getting them in trouble and going too far, and it's a great talking point for the right. and here's nicholas christoff a week ago in this column saying i feared our ling quistic contortions however well-meaning aren't addressing our country's inequities or achieving progressive dreams but rather creating fuel for right wing leaders in order to take aggressive action. have we reached the tipping point in that? >> there is truth in that. for example, the word latinx, which i don't even know how to say. >> you said it right. >> i said it right. the first thing sarah sanders did as governor was to ban the word latinx in arkansas state documents. it was like that's really stupid, but on the other hand, people -- latinos or hispanics or i don't know what the phrase

of the day will be, they don't like the phrase either. so why are we using it? why are people trying to use it? it's a sort of offshoot on crazy college campuses. the problem is republicans want to make this everything about this stuff. the democrats really don't. there were a few -- yes, there's a left wang cadre in the democratic party that does all this stuff, but most are not -- this is not like -- like joe biden's speech it wasn't anything like that. >> i don't want to disparage anybody but he's an old white grandfather. is he the personification of wokeness that governor huckabee sanders was talking about? >> mostly other people in the party are not. look at hakeem jeffreys. he's african american, he's progressive but he's incredibly

relentlessly pragmatic trying to get certain things done, so i agree with what andrew is saying. there does seem to be a premium of pointed extremism on the other side footry to score those kind of points. who loses out are regular americans who are trying to get their problems solved. and we wind up with this sort of mess. >> of course because nobody i know is worried about their gas stove being taken by the woke mob. do you believe with andrew the pendulum has swung in the other direction. >> i think the overreaction on the right is worse than some of the wokeness on the left. but the craziness, the obsession -- >> there's no comparison between like white nationalism and that sort of stuff. >> this is a winning argument because a vast majority of americans do feel that language

policing and political correctness have gone too far and majority of democrats feel the same way. >> it's not so easy to get your head around what are we supposed to do with trade with china and cyber war. >> it's easy to get me mad. >> so it's easy to go latinx that's bad. >> part of the problem is the country becomes polarized. a lot of this stuff is proxy look at the elitist cultural liberals and their language innovations and their anti-gas stove. >> and joe biden talks about that all the time. joe biden talks about how we can't just be a college culture and that we need to have great jobs for people who didn't go to college. i mean that's something that does resonate, right, with people? >> i think the worst part about it is not what we talked about. the worst part about it is if you have people that spend so much time trying to come up with the best possible term for the unhoused -- can't call them homeless, have to call them

unhoused, but we're not doing anything to help the people actually sleeping outdoors. all these contortions around language are actual work. i remember we did real work as opposed to policing people on twitter. i think on one hand it gives people on the right an opportunity to come after us but it becomes a distraction on the left and that's where the harm happens. >> the language is easy to pick at, easy trying to to enforce. you know what's hard is trying to get people into housing, addressing mental health crisis. that's the problem is that now we're focused on the warring symbols and languages instead of what's happening in our communities. that part. >> okay, thank you very much. great talking to you about all that. stick around, everybody. when we come back we're going to talk about what's going on in our sky. there are new revelations tonight about just how bad the southwest melt down over the holidays was. and you don't want to miss this. we'll tell you which seat on the plane is safest. cal health.

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with, quote, duct tape. let's bring in cnn's gabe cohen from december. gabe, great to have you tonight. so what were the messages that the southwest dispatchers were sending to pilots. i alluded to it in the open during this whole mess. >> yeah, alisyn, it's stunning. cnn has obtained this testimony we're expecting from the pilots union tomorrow and includes those messages you're talking about that was sent by southwest dispatchers to specific pilots on their cockpit computer actually onboard these flights and they really paint an alarming picture of the chaos that was happening behind had the scenes during this melt down. in one of those messages the dispatchers asked the pilots to identify themselves because it appears the airline didn't actually know who was onboard amid all of those crew scheduling problems. and the message then ends with, quote, it's a mess down here. and in another one of those messages dispatchers told the pilots, quote, no updates here,

scheduling is so far behind we were told we aren't allowed to walk over and talk to them. alisyn, it's just a snippet of what we'll hear tomorrow but really paints that picture of what pilots were dealing with while about 2 million passengers were stranded. >> so, gabe, what's the union planning to say tomorrow at this? >> look, they're not expected to pull any punches. they're highly critical of southwest's system saying in this testimony it's a complex operation held together by as they put it duct tape. and they say they've been warning about these systemic problems at southwest and a looming crisis now for years. writing, quote, since 2011 southwest has averaged one major operational failure every 18 months. they say warning signs were ignored, poor performance was condoned, excuses were made, proces processes atatrafied.

you can expect the senators on the transportation committee are going to have some pretty pointed questions for their executive. >> gabe cohen, thank you very much for all your reporting and previewing what we're going to see tomorrow. guys, i don't want my plane held together by duct tape. that doesn't make me feel good. >> well, it's not the plane, it's the travel schedule if that makes you feel a little betterch. >> it doesn't. because i also don't like the air-traffic controller or dispatcher says who's flying this plane. we've had airline employees on who said this system is woefully antiquated. aren't we supposed to have robots and modernization for this system? >> well, the robots are just coming for our jobs. they're not coming for the dispatchers jobs. i feel bad for obviously the millions of passengers who got stuck. we've all lived some version of that. it's a nightmare. and i feel like what happened to

southwest is an emblem of them being in an environment where they were trying to cut corners and cut costs wherever they could, that their -- their culture is around customer service, yes, but also it's around trying to be really economical. and when you're trying to save money quarter after quarter and trying to turn in results something is going to end up blowing up. and when it did blow up unfortunately it was these customers who were caught. >> thank goodness for the workers, that's all i have to say. a lot of times people they take a job, they have pride in their profession. they want to do a good job. whether you're talking about health care workers or hmos who are sometimes whistle blowers when bad practices are there. this union has been screaming and yelling for a lung time not just for their wages and they deserve that, but this september safe, this september good. and i think we need to be a lot stronger in supporting for union voices when they speak up.

this is a massive number of people who are going to be whistle blowing tomorrow in front of the country. they deserve our support. >> particularly when it's about the airline industry, when it's something that touches all of our lives and we rely on it and you put your faith into them. >> the biggest leap of faith you make. any year is when you walk onto an airplane and you assume people know what they're doing. >> by the way, george, it feels as though it's not as if southwest is just an anomaly. there was an airline system outage january 11th. january 13th there was this near miss at jfk. there was a united plane that actually clipped another one at newark, that was february 3rd. and february 5th another near collision just this past week. so it's not just southwest. it feels there's some sort of systemic problem with the airlines right now. >> the last one, for example, was terribly scary because you

had a fedex plane coming in and there was a southwest plane on the ground, and the southwest plane didn't depart when it should have, and as a result the runway was no longer clear. and it's like why? what is -- i mean first of all why is air-traffic control allowing -- giving clearance to take off and land on the same runway at the same time. and what were those southwest pilots doing? >> it turns out in austin they don't have this -- yeah, they just don't have one of these pieces of equipment. had they upgraded, they would have. 16 other bigger airports do have that, so they have kind of a blind spot. it's a problem. >> i tell you, though, the one name that has not come up which i hope will come up is pete buttigieg. >> and what do you want him -- >> i just think this is a big moment for him. he's in charge of the transportation of the united states. this is big moment for him. in other words, we need some leadership here. congressional hearings are fine,

but as i said it's going to be asking questions. there's going to be tough questions asked. and then tomorrow i have to get on a plane. i've got to get oplane tomorrow. >> i think he could exert more. in other words, i have so much respect for him and i think this is one of those things to your point it touches everybody. you want your kid to come home from college. if this affects you i think we need leadership in the biden administration especially from pete buttigieg. >> we don't want this to be after the fact. imagine if someone had gotten to southwest before this fiasco then everyone would be better off. >> at the same time you can't have the government saying thou shall have a great organization, thou shall have a great computer system -- >> why not? why not? >> you can't -- at the end of the day it's going to be these businesses who want to stay in business by serving their customers well and taking business from other companies by

doing the job right. and that's the -- at the end of the day that's what -- you know, that's what's going to solve any problem at southwest is either people walking over to the other airline counters or customers -- >> i have a word for you. it's called ole gaupally. there are certain places where airlines really do monopolize. they have so much market power the government does have to step in and say, look, guys, follow the rules, act right or you're going to get in trouble. >> what do you think it is? >> i said cockpit. >> no? >> you can't buy the cockpit. what do you think? >> the exit row seat. >> that's a good guess. no, it's the worst seat on the

airplane. >> the toilet. >> yes, it's the middle rear seat. do you even want to preserve our lives? are you willing to take that risk? it's the middle rear seat, only has a -- >> 37b. >> it only has a 28% fatality rate. >> in what instance? are we talking about water landing? >> and then the next i guess safest is the middle aisle seats, 44% fatality rate. >> middle aisle? >> middle aisle, what does that mean? yeah, what does middle aisle mean? middle row? middle of the plane aisle seat. that's the second safest. >> i'll go with the 44%. listen, if i've got to sit back with the toilet the whole time it's not working. take me out. thank you very much.

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for the record. he's got it! >> lebron james making history after passing kareem abdul-jabbar as the new all-time nba scoring leader. but let's take a look at these two pictures we're about to eshow you, okay? there's michael jordan. that's him making his last shot for the chicago bulls on june 4, and they're witnessing it with their own eyes and you compare that with the shot last night when he broke the all-time scoring record and nearly every fan there is holding up, i'll demonstrate it for you, holding up their phone and capturing the

moment through a lens rather than with their eyes. back with me andrew yang, van jones, and george conway. i see you clutching your phone. >> i can take a picture, i can take a video of what's going on here and see you at the same time. there i got you -- >> so that's what you think is happening. >> they're raising their hands on that. is it any different than holding up a lighter at a concert, you know? >> they paid thousands of dollars to be there to witness that moment, and they needed to videotape it so that they could share it with their friends that they had spent thousands of dollars. >> if it's not on the gram it didn't happen, that's what people are saying. i've been a jordan fan my entire life. >> van's growling.

>> michael jordan had to deal with everything he did when they could hand check and throw you to the ground and kick you in the face. it's a different era. so he's the greatest of this era, and he's certainly one of the greatest lebron james. but michael jordan is the greatest, period. that's it. phone drop. >> i was with you until just recently i was like you know what lebron has outlasted any of my reservations. >> i love them both. here's what i will say, i have a 1-year-old taurdaughter and i actually have more pictures of her and more videos of her in her first year than i have in my 18-year-old's entire life. >> so true. >> i'm just crazy about this device. and whatever she does i'm taking pictures, i'm videotaping. i think the culture has completely changed. it doesn't feel like even in my

house that it happened if i didn't record it. let alone if i'd been there. if i'd been there i would have been like this the whole time. >> technology makes a big difference. our first kids were born in 2004 and then the video quality was ridiculous. it didn't really exist and we had these cans with the little cassettes and i've got piles of these cassettes. i need to basically take them to somebody to transfer them and make them digital. tomorrow, the next week, i don't know. >> basically all of you are in agreement that our phones enhance the experiment, not dampen it somehow. >> we are cyborgs now, that's what i believe. these things are literally a part of us. here's how you know. lose your phone and see how you act. you don't know where to go, you can't call anybody, you can't get across the street. >> i agree with all that, but a live action experience -- a live concert, a live moment like that, history making moment, if you're looking at it through

your phone you're still okay, you think it still enhances the experience, not dampen it somehow rather than just experience it being in the moment? >> i think they're both trying to experience it and record it so they can share it with other people. i agree with van at this point we're having our brains rewired. i'm not sure it's totally positive. i think most of us can agree there could be some negatives particularly for young people. i thank my lucky stars i came of age at a period when we weren't cyborgs, to van's point. and for young people in particular i mean you are seeing surges in anxiety, depression. >> that's not open to debate anymore. in terms of social media i would say on balance it's been detrimental. >> prince used to make people not bring cameras. dave chappell doesn't want you to bring it because you do lose something of the presence of immediacy. i think it's a tradeoff. and i have a 14-year-old son.

he made an unbelievable behind the back pass in basketball, and he was so happy, and then he found out i hadn't recorded it, and he was miserable. because even though it happened -- exactly, he said never record again, dad. even though it happened and his friends saw it, the fact he couldn't share it with his mom who wasn't there. i do think it's a tradeoff. i think it's a tradeoff, but i get it. i'm a part of it now. i'm not a critic. i'm a party. >> we're all guilty. >> i get what you mean but in terms of prince being a purest and dave chappell, i understand that. wanting to have your own moment without being tethered to the phone. having said that, there are so many live music events from my teenage years that i wish i had on my phone. they're in my memory and they're incandescent in my memory, but i wish i could relive them on my phone. >> i've been in front of groups of people, and the fact is you

actually have a different experience yourself if you know what's being recorded. let's say i'm speaking at a political event. if it's not being recorded, or it's being recorded i hate to say it it's going to go down differently. >> don't you think everything is being recorded nowadays? >> that's your default mode. but it's deeply uncomfortable when someone runs up to a camera in your face and they'll press you on something and you can tell it's meant to be an aggressive move. so we are, unfortunately, i think having our culture changed in a way that's changing our experiences in realtime. >> yeah. are you a big social media guy? >> a little bit. >> are you? >> i've been known to post a few things, a tweet or two. >> tweet is different than instagram. >> no, i've never done instagram and i've never done facebook. i look at other people's instagrams and spy on other people's facebooks and play lots

of tiktoks of dogs and cats. >> i guess you do. but i guess my feeling it didn't happen unless you post it is purely a new phenomenon in this generation, and again i'm not sure that's the best. okay, guys, thank you very much for all of that. >> it's not the best, alisyn. >> thank you. thank you. >> all right, a big admission from the suspect in the dallas zoo incident. court documents say he's allegedly confessed to the thefts and even wanted to take more animals. a wildlife biologist is here to talk about this phenomenon next.

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big developments tonight in the recent tampering incidents at the dallas zoo.

court documents allege that 24-year-old damian irvin who's facing at least eight charms admits to steeling the two tamarin monkeys eventually found in an abandoned house and also admits to allegedly trying to steal the cloud snow leopard that got out of its cage before being captured again. and he reportedly told police he wants take more animals if he gets out of jail. jeff, great to see you. have you ever come across a case like this in your history? >> well, good evening, alisyn. i'm delighted to spend some time with you tonight. but, unfortunately these circumstances are -- i'm just struggling with them because, yes, i have been in situations where i've looked add the black market trade. for example, i presented a series with anderson called planet in peril where clowned

around the world looking at a $60 billion industry. to see this level of disregard and selfishness, i just struggle with it. is there a nurosis here. is it the fact we just don't have the laws to hold him accountable? our laws when it comes to stuff like this are woefully inadequate when holding people accountable committing crimes against wildlife and animals. >> yeah, i agree with you. this is very peculiar one because is he trying to free the animals? is he trying to hurt the animals? it's unclear, but i agree with you. it seems like some sort of personality psychosis of some kind because he seems hell bent on doing it again. here are the vandalism incidents just since january 13th at the dallas zoo just to remind everybody. the clouded leopard we noced about disappeared then was found close to her habitat later that

day. enclosure of the langur monkeys had been cut, the vulture was found dead in his habitat. no one has yet figured out if that was intentional. and those two emperor tamarin monkeys went missing but founda area home. jeff, to your larger point have you seen things like this on the rise since reality shows about exotic pets and exotic animals? are you seeing more kind of a fetishizing of those animals? >> that's an interesting observation. i can tell you what i don't see in this individual. i don't see a sense of altruism. i don't see behaviors really designed in any way towards the advocacy for wildlife or conservation. this was malevolent, this was

vicious, this was vandalism. and it put endangered species even more at risk. and it is not impossible that he could be the culprit behind the demise of that vulture where there are only about 6 or 7,000 of these vultures left. but, again, we've seen this in cases with domestic animals where mentally deranged people break into a -- or youth with no sense of consciousness will break into a shelter, kill animals, and then they walk away with barely but a slap on the wrist. >> let's talk about that. why is that, jeff? talk to me about that. why aren't the laws punishing them more harshly? >> because we live in a world where human life is valued more than animal life and we live in a world where we have a strong connection to animals domestically for food

consumption, in our social environment, in our culture where we don't want to be in a situation where someone accidently runs over a cat and they go to jail for 60 years or cat manslaughter. on the other side people are literally allowed to get away with the demise creatures especially with intent. this guy is an example of that. we do have laws. for example, we have the lacy act almost 100 years old where if you take an animal endangered, for example, and you move it across a county line or state line, you can go to jail for up to five years and be fined tens of thousands of dollars. but rarely -- rarely do we see those laws enforced. even internationally we have huge issues where people are caught smuggling endangered species out of the united states, and oftentimes what they get is maybe two months in prison and a slap on the wrist. people violate hunting

regulations. and when they -- you know, and they lose their hunting license for a year. we don't hold people accountable. interesting question, though, what is the social media connection here? and i think what we're seeing are a lot of copycat demonstrations where it's sort of like that culprit -- you know, the arsonnest who started that fire may have a connection to the fireman or the fire worker rescue community. the idea we get these copycat crimes in new york city, in the central park zoo with that very important owl species, the eurasian owl, monkeys stolen from another zoo -- we're see this ripple effect across our nation. and i don't have the answers to why, but maybe, alisyn, if we held them accountable we would see less of these acts. >> well, jeff, great to get your perspective. this is something that really interests our viewers, interests a lot of people about what's

going on because we do as you say have this relationship with these animals. and certainly at our zoos we want to be able to see the animals and have access to them without them being endangered. thanks so much for your time tonight. >> thank you very much. okay, so amid terrible tragedy a story of survival. a syrian newborn pulled from the rubble after this week's devastating earthquake and found alive. we're going to show you her dramatic rescue next.

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devastation in syria and turkey tonight with the death toll is soaring to more than 15,000 people. from the massive earthquake on monday and syria but the baby girl born during the earthquake

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think it's said was married formative him. >> hair sienna chiefland for a summit and intelligence analyst, john miller, wheels up political commentator, ashley allison, and conservative lawyer, george -- actually, but the juxtaposition to just see them speaking. here senator mitt romney, who's widely considered, or arguably, one of the most decent and dignified politicians in congress. i get stewart santos who is widely considered to be a prolific serial liar, and the fact that they even had that exchange, what were you thinking as you're watching this? >> we're going to know what they were saying. first when i heard the readout it shows you how agree just santos's behavior is. for, i'm not a huge fan a bit romney, but i do understand that he tries to hold a level of decorum definitely during the chamber for the state of the union. but george santos, i, mean he was elected. but we don't even know who he truly is. so it is telling that mitch