ships which seriously violates international practice and sets a horrible precedent. u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin asked for a phone call with china's defense minister. beijing bluntly declined. >> and it's a precarious moment. i know you have been learning that xi jinping was directly involved in this program. and in fact, this program is not new. and in fact, balloons flying over the u.s. spying from china is not new. but just how much did xi jinping know? >> yeah, i mean, you're talking about more than 40 countries across five continents, according to a senior state department official. >> wow. >> these balloons have gathered intelligence. this program has been going on with president xi's direct knowledge. however, lawmakers brief on this have been told that this particular balloon at this particular time may have been dispatched without the knowledge of xi and also without the knowledge of senior people's liberation army and communist party leaders, erin. >> well, that's incredible.

i guess the implications of that incredible as well. will ripley, thank you so much. from taipei tonight. thanks to all of you for join us. see you back here at 9:00. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. we begin with the most immediate humanitarian crisis in the world right now. it has been three days since a magnitude 7.8 earthquake struck the region bordering turkey and syria. the number of dead continues to rise from hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands. right now, at least 21,000 people are known to have been killed. another 78,000 injured. because there is far less access to northern syria, the concern is that the casualties there could be far, far worse. we are watching this play out right now from a distance. and from a distance, it looks one way. but up close is where the horror and the heroism is. this disaster is happening one person at a time. in this case, one little girl. we don't know her name. she is about 5 years old. she was rescued after being

trapped for 89 hours. two other girls alive waiting to be freed. small victories, one at a time from a distance. small lifeboats on a sea of despair. from up lclose, the entire worl. from up close the losses come by ones. one child, one family, person by person, block by block, home by home, hour after hour, every moment of every day now since monday morning. one woman's loss, one friend gone. one classmate missing, a patient to treat, a mouth to feed, a family to shelter again and again. tonight from up close, some of those stories, and we want to warn you, some of what you see is graphic. >> reporter: in the darkness they search and sometimes they find them. a family crushed in what was once their home.

headlamps reveal a woman partially visible laying on her side. she has no pulse. a hand frantically waves in the rubble, a man alive. the baby buried next to him, a 2-month-old girl is not. feet away, they move the woman's arm and find a toddler named humada she was protecting. his eyes closed, no sign of life. they pick away the concrete, but then -- [ crying ] >> reporter: the cry of life .

"god is great" one rescuer cries. in another building, another child is pinned beneath collapsed concrete and steel. rescuers gave him water from the cap of a bottle. sip by sip, second after second, they keep him alive. elsewhere, a boy is found. they hold his hand, work until he is finally free . after so much death, so much disappointment, the rescuers rejoice for the boy.

in the ambulance, he cries for his family. "my parent, my parents," he says. "your family, god willing, will be okay," a rescuer tells him. you are a hero, my darling. we've had correspondents throughout the quake zone from the beginning tonight. cnn's jomana karadsheh and nick paton walsh. let's start with jerome man in a adana, turkey. i know there are people for people trapped. what has it been like the last several hours? >> well, you know, anderson, here in adana, you don't see the kind of extensive destruction that you see in other parts of the quake zone, but you find buildings like this one flattened. and we believe that 100 people

were inside the apartments here. and over the past 90 plus hours, you had these search and rescue crews working around the clock, trying to find survivors. but so far they've only been able to extract lifeless bodies. and tonight they've reached the lower floors. and so tonight we're seeing them pulling more and more dead bodies. and i can tell you, this is just devastating for so many people who we've met out here who have been searching for their loved ones. i mean, they've been sitting out here in the freezing cold, not knowing whether they're going to find them or not. it's been this agonizing wait of not knowing whether they should continue to wait or begin to mourn. and i think now this gut-wrenching reality is really starting to sink in for so many people here. >> and jomana, even people who are pulled out of the wreckage alive, they often then learn that they're the only ones from

their families who have made it out, or that they are the only ones of their families who are still alive. . >> and you know, anderson, we saw a lot of that as well. we were in the city of hatay province, one of the hardest hit provinces in turkey, and there you have people in state of shock. people just walking around on the streets dazed and just struggling to fathom what's happened to them. and almost everyone we spoke to has lost family members or is just standing out there waiting to find their family members. and hope is fading for so many people. here we met a couple of -- two sisters who had been here for a few nights looking for their cousin. and they got to the point, anderson, now, where they stopped waiting here. now they're searching for him at hospitals and morgues. and they say they've gone from hoping to find him alive to hoping they'll find his body in

one piece. >> i know you were talking about being in this other city and talking to some people. i think you have some sound. who was it that you were talking to that we're going to hear from? >> well, anderson, in iskenderun, we met a manleying in london. when the news broke, he jumped on a flight to come back and find his sister and family members. he says it's a miracle they found them. they were pulled out from under the wreckage. they were trapped under the rubble for 15 hours and they came out alive. but still, he's in a state of shock, like so many people in his city. >> i'm speechless, to be honest. i mean, a dream, a very bad dream that i'm hearing so many of our friends dying here.

so many our relatives are dying. my feelings are all collapsed. i'm only breathing at the moment. >> and we heard that sort of sentiment from almost everyone we spoke to today out in iskenderun. it's just unimaginable what people are going through right now, anderson. it's -- they're still searching for their loved ones. they're still confused what happened. and they don't know what they're going to do next. they still really haven't processed what's happened to them, and they can't even begin to think about the future, about waking up from that bad dream, as you heard that man telling us. >> yeah. and just to think, so many families just waiting in a parking lot on the side of a road, watching a heap of concrete and cement that used to be their home or their loved ones' home, and just waiting for

any word on anybody inside somewhere in that massive heap behind you and all over through spots of northern turkey and syria. jomana, i appreciate you being there. we go to the turkish city. nick paton walsh, you're south of where jomana is. talk about what you have been seeing. >> yeah, it's been a long day here of attempted rescues, false hope, and a brief moment of relief, particularly in the building behind me over here. anderson, about ducsk, there wa an intense influx of rescuers because they heard noise. they thought a police officer was trapped in there. one many of his colleagues turned up for an hour or so of intense digging. the first body came out, that of a 21-year-old man. we saw medics giving him cpr, a

pretty bad sign in that case. but then an extraordinary moment of hope. a 4-year-old boy pulled from the wreckage alive, seemingly alert enough to try to struggle with his oxygen mask and take it off when medics tried to help him. but sadly, it seemed his father followed shortly afterwards, showing significantly less signs of life. that boy would have been taken out after 89 hours trapped beneath what would have been his apartment block behind me there. in the hours afterwards, we've seen excavators taking up this faster pace, looking to clear rubble and freeing, releasing dead bodies that have piled up around me as the day has gone by. but this city just devastated. some buildings intact, standing upright. others next to it pancaked. it is going to render huge swaths of this millions strong city uninhabitable for years, potentially. vast reassessments of the infrastructure around me. and you can see just here people

who would have lived here happily in their homes now burning we don't know what. but there is a thick acrid smoke around much of this city, partly because people trying to keep warm in these incredibly cold temperatures. anderson? >> so the people behind you, they're people who may have lived in the buildings somewhere around there. people, are they just still just waiting outside, waiting for word of their loved ones? >> yeah, some of the window for people to wait for news is beginning to close now. and, yes, we saw just before we came on air people continue to rush down towards where that excavator has paused work for now, but an ambulance is there, some rescue workers. sometimes it seems hope that the belief or something may have been heard. there may be a sign of life that needs investigating. but we've seen so many times today they arrived too late. this morning even medical

workers rushing to the scene. a bizarre street, frankly, which every single apartment was upright, but its bottom three floors had collapsed down on themselves. and from one of those collapsed areas, an 8-year-old girl was pulled out. they hoped she was alive. by the time she got to the ambulance, the medical worker said it was quite clear she had lost her life. her mother obviously distraught, said that she hoped her little one would not be lost, would not be taken away. so on every street here there is that rush to try and find some moments of relief or hope. but the despair, just mounting along with the numbers of dead. and this odd sense of a city having to live out in the open to escape the possibilities some more of these buildings may collapse upon them, burning the remnants of their own homes. that's what some of this acrid smoke is from, the poor choice of choosing a kitchen cabinet we think behind us over here, and that's causing the air to be very difficult for some of the

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what's the latest? >> essentially, we had a sense this was coming. with knew they wanted his testimony and any documents he has about this. now mike pence has been formally subpoenaed, asking for his testimony and documents. it's probably the most aggressive move yet we've seen from jack smith who is the special counsel. it's a little confusing. he is looking into two things. the documents that trump took with him, but also trump's actions on january 6th. this subpoena i'm told is related to january 6th. they want mike pence's testimony and any documents that. because he was one of the key people who was speaking one-on-one with trump a lot of the times leading up to the election, leading up to january 6th. and obviously that was when their relationship completely frayed at that time. but they think he has a lot to offer. of course, it's going to set up this clash over executive privilege. his attorney, emmet flood is very big on executive privilege. so we'll see where it goes. >> but they've been negotiating this? >> they've been negotiating it, but clearly it hit an impasse. there has been talk of a

volunteer interview, before there was a special counsel. clearly things escalated to where he felt the need to subpoena them. and i'm told that pence's team found out on tuesday that this was coming. >> so elliot, is he going to talk? what are the limitations. >> let me tell you what mike pence cannot do here. he cannot ignore the subpoena and hope it goes away like we saw a lot of people do with the january 6th subpoena. one, he can testify. he can go in front of the grand jury, get under oath and answer questions. two, he can continue negotiating. kaitlan reported there has been negotiation. but sometimes serving a subpoena has a way of expediting them and moving them to the next level. or three, he can challenge this in court as an executive privilege argument. i think it's important to note mike pence can challenge this under executive privilege. but donald trump can try to come in from the outside and say i'm the oholder of that privilege. i don't want conversations with my vice president disclosed that could set up a court battle. we would be going through the district court, the federal court of appeals, maybe the

supreme court with nixonian effects potentially. >> thing is not the worst thing that ever happened to him. obviously, he did his duty on january 6th. it's not surprised that he got subpoenaed. he is the central witness in an effort to overturn u.s. election and overthrow the u.s. government. so yeah, i expect to be asked a few questions. but for him politically to be drug in under subpoena as opposed to going voluntarily, maybe he thinks that works for him politically. i do think he is genuinely concerned about his constitutional role here, which is why he did what he did on the 6th. but the executive privilege stuff does matter to him. and it wouldn't shock me to see them try to fight this out. and he would say i just think we have to maintain this privilege and the separation of power issues as much as possible. even if he loses on it, it wouldn't shock me if they tested that out a little bit. >> and elliot, what would a fight like that look like? clearly i guess it would go all the way to the supreme court? >> if it doesn't go to the supreme court, it will go to the united states court of appeals

for the d.c. circuit which is like the second highest court in the land, anderson. but the conversation with mike pence over executive privilege is the relationship with donald trump, who is number one, the president of the united states, number two, an individual, but number three, also a candidate for office. now certainly many of the communications he would have had with donald trump in their capacity as president and vice president are going to be protected, and frankly, ought to be protected, assuming they're not talking about breaking the law. now it gets a little more complicated where if they were talking about purely political matters or purely personal matters, it's got to be something that a court will have to carve up. to the pointelle yot was making, it could take some time to figure out some of these complicated issues of first impression that courts have not seen yet. >> there is no telling the timeline of any testimony? >> we don't have the timeline. there is a deadline on a subpoena obviously. we don't know that is exactly. we've been asking tonight. the other thing that complicates this, mike pence wrote a book and talks about january 6th in that book. we heard, the press is reporting

justice department investigators think that could actually potentially help them, because it gets into the dynamic of he goes into the room and can answer some questions on january 6th because he talked about it in his book. >> he wasn't exactly forth come manage the book. he was sort of glossed over some things. >> he did talk about conversations where he said trump told him he was praying for him, things like that. i do think there is some gray area there. i don't know how they're going to navigate that. >> the legal term for that is waiver. the argument you would make as the prosecutors, he has gone into this as n public. he has given up the privilege already. too late. once it's sort of halfway, once you let it out of the barn, you can't put it back in. that may be an argument we see from prosecutors. >> would you expect the former president to try nike an executive privilege argument? >> oh, yeah. i don't think he wants mike pence to tell anybody how he tried to pressure him into subverting the u.s. constitution. he was the central -- the whole plot was to get mike pence to do something. and then when he wouldn't do it,

it was to intimidate him into doing something. we saw how that manifested itself. so yark so yeah, i would. >> how soon after the subpoena has gone outdo you think the doj would start receiving material from vice president pence or his team? >> well, he's got to agree to start turning them over. and along the lines of the options we were talking about a little bit earlier, he's probably going to file a suit in some way to challenge or question the legitimacy of the subpoena. so we're not seeing any documents. the justice department is not seeing any documents any time soon. not within days or weeks. i don't want to put a time limit on it. but again, it's probably going to be litigated because these are very complicated questions in separation of powers. >> elliot williams, scott williams, elie honig, kaitlan, thank you. now to pup mys in amish country. the breaking news mucinex.

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there is more breaking news tonight. it comes at the end of a day in which we learned the securities and exchange commission is now investigating congressman george santos, and that house colleagues have filed the motion to expel him. now another shoe has fallen in the saga of santos, aka anthony vo voledr. >> i've lived an honest life. i've never been accused of bad doings. >> and he was lying when he said that. he had already been charged in brazil with check fraud.

also one-time homeless veteran accused him of stealing thousands from a gofundme page set up for the man's dying doug, a dog, and yes, the dog died. and now the headline santos was charged with theft in 2017 case tied to amish dog breeders. jacqueline sweet is a freelance journalist covering george santos for politico. she joins us now. jacqueline, can you explain how santos came to be charged with theft in amish country? >> a lot about this is still mystery. we did know there was a charge filed in 2017 in york county, pennsylvania, which is center of amish country. the case was -- the charges were expunged. so there wasn't any court records of them. recently a woman who was his friend in junior high happened to run into him in early 2020, and he said can you help me. i was served a warrant in my

apartment. and you help me address these charges? what should i say. so she has legal knowledge, so she tried to help him. and so she recounted to the pennsylvania state police what he told her, and she has shared that now with me. and so -- >> so the charge was dismissed. santos' record was expunged i think in 2021. do you know why it was expunged? >> we know what he told the friend. so what the friend told me was that -- so they couldn't find him for a couple of years. they finally served the warrant. this is according to his story that he told her that she told me. they served the warrant in 2020, and he sends an email explaining that his checkbook had been stolen. he didn't write the checks. and he produced some evidence which is the checks an his bank statements. anded she said that on his behalf, and then he went to pennsylvania to explain it to

them. and he told her he convinced them to drop the charges. the expungement we don't really know. maybe that would have had to have been a filing he did and that could have taken some time. we don't really know that yet. >> and this is the second of santos' controversy involving dogs. his alleged animal charity of friends of pets united, has he commented about this? >> not to my knowledge. not yet. his attorney didn't return our request for comment to us. so not that i've heard yet. >> and how was it that you came to find this? >> so, again, people -- there was a trace of the expunged charge in some background reports, but there was no information, and there was no information available from the court. i thought it had possibly have to do with dog breeding because i knew from other sources that i've been talking to for a long time now that they said he made

trips to amish country to rescue puppies from amish breeders. and i knew that these adoption events were going on. and then when i finally was able to connect with the former childhood friend who helped him write the letter, that's when it all came together. >> and what were the checks used for? >> so they're written out. the memo lines, most of them say puppies or puppy. they're for $700 to $2,000. and when i talked to these breeders in pennsylvania, they said those were typical amounts of these purebred puppies. so that's what we know just for the memo of the checks. we have the check records that it says "puppies." >> and so it's not clear what he was actually accused, though, of -- was he accused of stealing? >> no, the checks didn't clear. >> okay. >> so we can -- the assumption -- we know the charge

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a close friend of alex murdaugh testified today about speaking to murdaugh around the time his wife and youngest son were brutally murdered. chris wilson, who is a fellow attorney also testified murdaugh admitted to wilson about stealing money from clients to fund a drug habit. murdaugh is a member of a once prestigious south carolina family, or at least people thought they were. he is accused of killing his wife and youngest son. prosecutor says it was to deflect attention away from potential crimes that were about to be revealed. here is randi kaye's report. >> what time was the first call? >> it looks like it was at 9:11 p.m., incoming from his cell phone. >> reporter: alex murdaugh's best friend chris wilson testifying that alex called him

at 9:11 p.m. the night of the murders that would have been about 20 minutes after prosecutor says alex's wife and son were killed. >> did he sound normal to you? >> he sounded normal, yes, sir. >> reporter: normal is how he said alex sounded. wilson told alex he had to called him back later. >> and what did he say? >> he said that's fine. no problem. >> reporter: that phone call could be key. prosecutors trying to show alex was allegedly trying to create an alibi after the murders. chris wilson said he called alex back at 9:20 p.m., and alex told him he was almost at his mom's house. all of this tracks with prosecutors saying alex fired up his car and left the property where the murders took place about 9:06 p.m. that night. alex says he was napping before that and was not with his family around the time they were killed. wilson says alex then sent him a text at 9:52 p.m., saying call me if you're up. wilson testified he called alex back at 9:53 p.m. on the night

in question to discuss a case. >> i told him i needed to talk to him, but i told him hey, that's cool. i'm about to get back home. can we talk tomorrow? sure, that's fine. >> reporter: that last call would have been just before alex returned home, just before he says he found his wife and son shot multiple times and bleeding. alex called 911 at 10:07 p.m. on cross-examination, the defense leaned on wilson to tell the jury what a loving family the murdaughs were. >> would you agree that alex's number one priority was his family? >> yes, sir, it appeared that way to me. >> i'm talking paul and maggie. >> reporter: on the issue of gunshot residue, megan fletcher, an expert on guterres cue testified for the state. she told the state she found a significant amount of gunshot residue on the inside of a rain jacket recovered from alex mur murdaugh's mother's home. >> given that it's on the inside

in order for it to be consistent with transfer, an object or objects with a high amount of gunshot prime erez doo on it would have had to transfer to it. >> reporter: an object like a firearm, as prosecutor john meters hinted at with this questioning. >> you had a gun oinside that rain jacket that had recent by been fired, and you were taking it somewhere to hide it or transport, would the 38 particles inside, inside the rain jacket be consistent with transfer from a recently fired firearm? >> that is a possibility, yes, sir. >> reporter: the state's working theory seems to be that alex murdaugh used this rain jacket to wrap up at least one of the murder weapons to allegedly dispose of them. then stashed the jacket in his mother's house. a theory the defense tried to knock down. >> you have no idea how gunshot primer residue ended up on that garment, correct? >> i cannot tell you how it got

there. >> or when it got there? >> or when it got there. >> randi kaye joins us now. what have you learned about this incident in court involving alex murdaugh and a member of his family? >> anderson, a source with knowledge of this incident told me alex murdaugh's sister lynn passed him a book in court yesterday and a source told me nobody knew about that. so it was considered contraband. they didn't know what was in the book or what this was all about. and then we had the bomb scare in the afternoon. so the whole court was evacuated. alex murdaugh was taken back to jail, and only later did they realize he had this book in his jail cell. the book's title is worth noting. it's by john grisham. it's called "the judge's rules." it's also important just a few minutes before this happened, alex murdaugh's same sister lynn and his living son buster were admonished in court for their conduct. buster on the court record telling me he was making obscene gestures at a witness while that witness was testifying. so now his sister and son have

been moved back in court further away from alex murdaugh, further away from that witness box. and they've been warned if this continues to happen, they will be barred from the courtroom. >> randi kaye, appreciate it. legal perspective now from julie rendleman who is a current defense attorney and former defense d.a. in new york city and attorney mark o'meara. what do you make from this testimony from the friend of mr. murdaugh? >> i'm not sure i make that much of it. the issue really is about the time, because the question is whether or not he was calling him in order to establish a alibi. and one of the things he does say that is an issue for the prosecution, is he seemed very calm. he seemed completely fine. didn't seem excited. so the argument -- i'm sorry, for the defense is he is not very excited, then that bodes to them that he is not reacting. for the prosecution, that's an issue, although the prosecution can say you know what? he's lied to everyone his entire life about who he is. >> for decades. if it's true about the financial

crimes, he has been lying to everyone for a long, long time. >> including his best friend. if he is able to lie to him on every level, he is the type of person that maybe could cover up the fact that he would be a little excited he just killed. >> allegedly he has been lying an an opioid addiction to his family and i imagine the financial crimes as well. >> decades worth of lies. the prosecution doesn't have to give that much of a motive. if he is almost pretty much a sociopath with everything he has done, stealing from almost everybody he has come into contact with, then it's a little easier for the jury to make that leap of sorts that he could easily have killed a son and a wife and come across without a blip in his blood pressure, talking to a buddy of his. >> you think that witness could have helped the prosecution? >> i think it helped the prosecution in a number of ways. it's another testimony concerning all of the financial crimes. and it's also showing that possibly this guy is so social pathic, so much that he doesn't

care at all about how he presents himself. yet he is willing to do the other thing needs to do as an alibi. >> because that hurdle of how is it possible that a father would kill his -- not just his wife, but his son at close range. >> yeah. i mean, people -- as a prosecutor, people killed each other because someone looked at them funny, or someone didn't like the way their chicken dinner was made by their wife. people happen to kill at the most random times. the issue is they think he planned it. it's not just an act of immediate reaction where he is suddenly killing his family. so they think he actually planned it. you have to accept that the motive, the finances are the reason that he planned this elaborate steam to kill his wife and his son. and you have to question why. by the way, he is a lawyer. so he is going to know that if his wife is killed, who are they going to look at? they're going to look at him. they're going to look at his finances, which is exactly what he doesn't want. >> also, he did allegedly hire somebody to shoot him in the head for insurance purposes. >> yeah.

i'm not sure i agree that he did that for insurance purposes. i'm so suspect about that. i think, my theory is that he had shot -- he knew he wasn't going to be killed that day. he wanted another possible suspect out there. he was worried that they were coming towards him. by the way, i'm allowed to theorize because everyone seems to be theorizing. even the prosecutor is making up kind of what things mean. >> but either way, on whether it's actually to shoot you in the head or look like you're having somebody shoot you in the head, it's cold and calculating. >> it is. >> by the way, if you listen to the 911 call, which i've listened a thousand times, i laughed because he so sincere about this guy came along, shot him in the head. he is lying through the whole thing. when you put that next to the 911 call he makes, you start to see who is this person really? >> the theory of this case is so polarized. either complete coincidence, very innocent guy who is just put upon by all these circumstances and an overzealous prosecution.

or completely calculated everything. that's why when the state brings out his other calculations, this stealing and the what not, the calm demeanor, even the interview that he had in the car with the sort of tears but no tears and able to come out with a whole bunch of other opportunities to present evidence as to why someone may have done it. so i think the prosecution is doing a good job of showing that polarization. this guy is just evil. >> the sheer number of dead bodies in this guy's rear view mirror who have died under bizarre, unusual or unexplained circumstances is extraordinary. >> it is. but, again, you know, that's not why -- what they're supposed to be focusing on. it's the craziest tale. and by the way, i was laughing. there is probably more that we don't know about. it's interesting, though, when we focus on this case and talk about whether or not the motive really is going to connect to this. i do worry kind of about how the finances are going to impact the jury, and if the jury at the end of this case is going to wonder why are we here?

are we here about the fact -- i'm willing to convict him for automatic these finances. i'm not sure it's led me to the murder. >> right. >> if there is three more homicide trials that come up because of his -- every person that's come in his way, then that will be an interesting next couple years. >> julie, mark, thank you so much. appreciate it. up next, so much sadness and lying in the world. the story of compassion and kindness. i'll talk with a sheriff's deputy who helped a man found alone on the side of his road stressed out and in tears, a and the remarkable thing that happened between them when they started to talk. in the all-new lexus rx. never lose your edge. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ with skyrizi, most people who achied 90% clearer skin at 4 months... with skyrizi, most people had lasting clearance through 1 year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections, or a lower ability to fight them, may occur.

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we have new details on a story we first told you last night. in a moment, i'll talk with the michigan sheriff's deputy who went above and beyond when he checked on a man who had pulled over on the side of the road. the man was clearly stressed out and in tears. take a look. >> so what can i do for you today? you say you don't want to hurt

yourself, right? no? have you ever attempted suicide or anything like that in the past? okay. is there anything i can do to help you? >> i could use a hug. >> i'll give you a hug. [ crying ] it seems like you've got a lot going on, man. it's all right. it's all right, man. it seems like a lot to take on, you know? >> dude, we can get you some help. >> yeah, we can get you somebody to talk to and stuff. >> they talked for quite a while. the deputy gave the man a phone number to a local crisis center and his own phone number and said to call him. it made a difference. the man thanked him and said it means a lot. joining me now is that sheriff's deputy and his boss. appreciate both of you being with us. deputy thorne, first of all, i found this so moving what you did, and your partner, and how

is the man that you helped? how is he doing because i know you've talked to him a couple of times since. >> i actually spoke with him earlier today, and he's seeking out professional help, and he's doing really well. i talked to him for about 45 minutes. and actually when i come to work tomorrow, i think we're going to meet up in person and just check on him. >> i know you said your own experience in the marines helped you connect with him. can you talk about that a little bit? >> yes, sir. when i came out of the marine corps, the combat experiences weighed really heavy on me. and when i got out of the service, it weighed on me a little bit more than i actually knew. it took my wife from realizing it from an outside perspective and actually convincing me to get professional help to talk through the things that weighed on me so much. and talking to a professional or talking to somebody that understands helps tremendously

on somebody. >> one of the things i think is so remarkable about the job of law enforcement is you never know what or what you're going to encounter in any roadside stop, in any call that you get. how often -- and you're sort of forced to deal with, you know, people where they're at. that could mean a mental health issue. it could mean an emotional crisis, whatever it may mean. how often do you come across people who just need a hug or somebody to talk to? >> it actually happens more often than you think. we show up to welfare checks at homes, standbys where people are just upset with the space that's going on. and the training that we get here at the sheriff's department and the training i've had in the marines and my own personal experience, you just sort of put it all together and you figure out each situation and help that person. >> sheriff, was this a textbook

case of how officers should interact with someone who's struggling? to me, it just seems so human and decent and just compassionate. >> you know, it's a problem, you know, how they engaged with this individual and helped this individual, all of my new personnel that i hire, whether it's in the jail or on the road, you know, one of the things that i really stress is they have to treat people like you want to be treated, you know. we're all human. everybody has emotions. we are problem solvers, and as you said, you know, you never know what the call is you're going to go on. but the majority of time when people call us, we have to solve a problem for them. and usually i tell them take that extra time. have that air-out. listen to what they're saying and see if we can help them out. you know, these guys did an excellent job.

we are getting emails and thank-yous and gratitude from around the country, and it just makes me, as a sheriff, proud that i have members in my office that can go on out there and treat people with respect and help them out when they need it. >> deputy thorne, i'm wondering what reaction have you heard from fellow officers, from just people who have seen this? >> just they said i did a real good job. you know, in the moment, it's just -- i would like to think that's the person i am, just to help him out. you know, i could just tell by his voice and everything, and he wasn't a threat in any which way. a lot of people ask me if i give out hugs a lot. it's actually the first time someone has ever asked me for a hug? >> it seems like you didn't bat an eye about it. you were like, sure, yeah, i'll do that. >> just because of my own personal experience, i knew

where he was coming from. the young man was hurting deep inside, and i'm just glad that it helped him out. we set him on the right path so he can get everything in line. >> yeah. well, deputy thorne, and sheriff wicker sham, i really appreciate you talking to us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> you be safe out there. thank you. the news continues. erin burnett outfront is next right after a quick break. whoopsps. oh no... the housewives are on the field. i repeat, the housewives are on the field. i just want to talk! yeah! who flips a table? alright, i get it. call 1-800-directv to guarantee your price for 2 years. a mystery! jessie loves playing detective. but the real mystery was her irritated skin. so, we switched tide pods free & gentle. it cleans better, and esn't leave hind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin.

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