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outfront next, pence subpoenaed. the special counsel investigating trump's efforts to overturn the election making a major move tonight. will pence cooperate. plus, new reporting. biden has a new obsession. the president zeroing in on a certain republican. and senator john fetterman still hospitalized tonight after feeling lightheaded. it comes after fetterman suffered a massive stroke last year. fellow stroke survivor randy travis is outfront tonight to talk about his road to recovery. let's go outfront. good evening. welcome to all. this is a special edition of outfront. i'm erin burnett. new tonight, the special counsel with a major move. former vice president mike pence has been subpoenaed. special counsel jack smith calling in pence has part of his

criminal investigation into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. of course pence was there that day and in all the days before and after. and on that day, the mob threatened to hang him. remember that? and he was at the heart of trump's efforts to overturn the election. >> i hope that our great vice president, our great vice president comes through for us. he's a great guy. plus, if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. >> of course pence did not come through, not before the insurrection and not after he was rushed to safety because an angry mob of trump supporters was trying to hunt him down and threatening to explicitly hang him. >> hang mike pence! >> president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone, and frankly there is no idea more un-american than

the notion that any one person could choose the american president. >> evan perez begins our coverage outfront live in washington. evan, what more are you learning about the subpoena from the special counsel? it had been frankly a bit quiet from jack smith, and coming out now with a very significant development. >> reporter: right. this is a historic milestone really, erin, in this investigation. it's been going on for two years, taken over by jack smith back in november. but we knew there were negotiations going on between the justice department, between the prosecutors and mike pence's lawyers to try to work out an agreement for him to provide testimony. obviously at this point now, he is under a subpoena, and he's expected to show up and provide documents. he's expected to provide testimony to the justice department as part of this investigation. he's a very important witness obviously because obviously he had all the interactions with

former president trump, both before the election and in those key weeks after the election. there was a december meeting that mike pence describes in his memoir between him and trump in which trump first suggests the idea that he's going to challenge the election results. of course, there were multiple meetings at the oval office in early january, before january 6th. all of those things that mike pence detailed in his book are now fair game for prosecutors to ask questions about. and those are things that mike pence's team were fully aware of before the book was published. so you can bet that prosecutors want a lot more, but because mike pence is represented by emmet flood, who is one of the well-known lawyers here in washington, who is a hawk on this issue of executive privilege, we expect that that issue is going to come up. we'll see whether that means there are certain questions he will refuse to answer and then what the justice department does about that. does it go and continue fighting

for additional answers all the way to the supreme court? >> all right. thank you very much, evan perez. my panel is here with me now. let's just start where evan finished. ryan goodman, with you on the legal side of this. he's bringing up how executive privilege is going to be core to this. pence did not testify in front of the january 6th committee. he did allow marc short and others to, but he didn't. so he's going to use executive privilege, but you don't think that's going to slow this down or work? >> it certainly won't work. there's a u.s. supreme court case, united states v. nixon. it's a unanimous decision in which a sitting president is forced to turn over documents under a subpoena in a criminal trial. and the court says when it comes to a criminal trial, it's kind of game over. there's no such opinion for congress, so that's why pence was able to maneuver in that regard. but here it's just a done deal. the only question is how quickly it will be decided. but it's already been decided very quickly for his senior aides, who also tried to invoke executive privilege, but it was decided against him. >> one thing here as we bring in

the political part of this, you can't look in a crystal ball, but on timing, do we get enough information for jack smith to make some sort of indictment decision on criminal liability for trump and january 6th this year? you've got him as the only declared candidate right now for the 2024 election. >> it could go by in weeks, i would think. the reason is all of the judges will know this is a decided outcome. so the district court judge -- this is why it can happen very quickly. it wouldn't happen quickly if it were with congress, but she's already done that very quickly with pence's senior aides. >> you're saying a decision on the executive privilege would be quickly? >> they'll get pence's testimony. that could be very quick. the supreme court maybe doesn't hear the case because they'll say this has already been decided by us. then this does seem like it's an end stage for jack smith, the fact he's doing pence now. i do think that within months, he might make a decision on indictment. >> all the conversation for at least a while had been the

classified documents, and that was open and shut on trump. then all of a sudden, there's a whole lot of mess that came around that. >> yes. >> like biden and pence and everybody else. but the january 6th part of this had been quiet. now you have this happening tonight. you could have an indictment decision here within months. >> two years after january 6th. to me this feels like what took so long? mike pence is so central to what happened on that day. as you noted, he was there before. he was there that day. he was there after. what he knows, what he experienced in that pressuring of him to overturn an election, i can't believe we don't know yet from his own words outside of his memoir, which was obviously carefully crafted and protected. >> right. >> i feel like it's about time. and i think the important thing is we'll see if mike pence can finally break free from trump. he's criticized him here and there for like the nazi lunch, january 6th, wanting to terminate the constitution. >> the kanye west --

>> but he's also said he doesn't know if trump is fit to be president again. how do you not know that? he has not been able to quit him entirely and insists they're amicable. i'm sorry. when your former boss calls you a pussy, you are not amicable. >> in this contest, i love how the memoir always comes first, you know? >> right. >> oh, executive privilege. oh, i can't say that, but i got no problem putting out a memoir. we see it again and again. we saw it with john bolton. we see it now with mike pence. so what s.e. was just saying, let's play a bit about what pence has actually said as he sort of started more and more to come after trump on this issue. here he is. >> but frankly, when i saw those images and when i read a tweet that president trump issued saying that i lacked courage in that moment, it angered me greatly. but to be honest with you, i

didn't have time for it. the president had decided in that moment to be a part of the problem. i decided and was determined to be part of the solution. >> there's more where that came from. i mean maybe it's just the delivery that's sort of hard. it angered me greatly. he doesn't emote, okay? but how is he going to handle this? >> well, i think that one interesting aspect of this is that mike pence clearly feels frustrated by the way that donald trump reacted on january 6th itself. there's a lot of questions about what pence was privy to prior to discussions about january 6th, the whole fake elector scheme. all those things he probably had some contact with. but this also -- mike is running for president, not officially. he wants to stay as much on the good side of trump supporters as he possibly can. this subpoena makes that a lot easier. it's not him going up and saying, hey, i have all sorts of things to tell you. it was, i was forced to do it. i'm sure he's practiced many

times in the mirror how he's going to position this. but it makes it easier for him to try and thread that needle. >> to that point, it is amazing. people always say this. pence wants to say on the good side of trump supporters. what planet is he on? >> well, he has to if he expects to get through the republican party. he has to be able to carve off some of those trump supporters in order to beat him or beat whoever else becomes in the field. you know, i was thinking about this and wondering, would it have been better for this to come sooner? i wonder also why it took so long. but politically, this is actually a great moment. he's very clearly trying to be the savior of democracy. "i was the one who had to get it done." so this timing, again, the justice department is requiring him to do this. now he can come, do what his legal obligation is, and say, this is why i still have trump policies, but i did what the justice department needed me to do. now i'm running for president because i saved democracy. >> okay.

so that all makes sense. to that point, though, ryan, now that he's been subpoenaed, he can't -- i mean i guess he could be just like, okay, it's finally my time. i'm just going to waltz on in there. how much resistance, you know, as tepid as it may be, can -- >> it's difficult to know because he has given the appearance of resistance. he could say, i'm not going to fight this legally because all my lawyers have told me, and i have one of the best executive privilege experts in the country, that this isn't winnable. so i'm compelled to give my testimony. >> and so, s.e., what do you think the reaction is in trump world to this? they were hoping this day would not come. it's been two years. it hadn't come. you know they could maybe think maybe it wasn't going to. >> right. well, listen, everyone here is right that i'm sure mike pence wants to stay on trump's good side, trump's supporters' good side, but he'd have to be there in the first place. he's not on the good side of any of those people. those people wanted to hang them. he's not winning them back.

to make matters worse for mike pence, he's not winning the other side of the republican point, the never trumpers who thought that mike pence kind of sold out. he was a deficit hawk who went into the white house and saw the deficit and debt explode. he jettisoned all the things people like me liked about him to carry trump's water. so there's no natural mike pence constituents to please. he should go in there, tell the truth, let the chips fall where they may. >> pick a lane. all right. thank you all very much. everyone is staying with me. next, new reporting from the white house. you're going to hear it first outfront. the urgent question president biden asked his senior aides this morning as he boarded marine one for florida. very telling about his plans. our phil mattingly is next with that reporting. plus elon musk's spacex tonight blocking ukrainian forces from using the critical starlink technology with drones against the russians. why? and a new update on the health of senator john fetterman who has been hospitalized again after suffering a stroke months ago. he is till in the hospital tonight. stroke survivor and country

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just said, i agree to expand it. it's not -- this isn't -- this isn't calculus. >> but another republican in florida, senator rick scott, who biden is really zeroing in on. >> the very idea the senator from florida wants to put social security and medicare on the chopping block every five years i find some be somewhat outrageous. >> so let's go right to phil mattingly at the white house. phil, obviously he's referring to scott's proposal that every federal program be up for renewable for five years. you have new reporting on just how intensely president biden is focused not on desantis actually but on scott? >> reporter: yeah, and mostly on the policy. on the policy that scott put on the table, which when rick scott put this on the table early last year, almost immediately, according to advisers, the president locked into it and saw it, in the words of one adviser, as a political gold mine if only democrats could coalesce behind the importance of battling against that plan.

if you want to know just how much the president cares about trying to get the details right here, as he was boarding marine one before his trip down to florida today, which i joined him on. he stopped, and he looked at one of his advisers and said, do we have copies of the scott plan at the event? the adviser said, yes, we do. what he's referring to is you've seen him over the course of the last two days, holding up a two-page pamphlet that details that specific provision of senator scott's rescue plan for america that he introduced last year. in that plan, he wanted it on every single seat of the audience at the event today. keep in mind this is an audience that is a partisan audience. they are democrats. they are biden supporters. yet he thinks the words themselves are so critical that he wanted it out there. this is not a new thing. one adviser told me that last summer, late last summer going into the midterm elections, he was driving this idea of, you need to post these words. you need to get these words into paper copies you can hand to people because when they read the words, they will recognize

in his view, this is an extreme issue. extreme is something the president focused on throughout the midterm election campaign and will likely in a re-election campaign in 2024. but you saw it again today. i think what it undersocores is the recognition of resonance of this issue and what this means going forward. he'll be talking about this going forward. a re-election campaign will focus on this message as well. as one adviser said, he's letting them hang themselves with their own words. that is certainly the case with the pamphlet and what we've seen the president say here. >> phil mattingly, thank you very much. all back with me. harry enten with me watching the numbers and the polls. it's pretty amazing, that detail, and the fact you want those in your church, right? your people are coming. you don't just want them to believe. you want them to evangelize. >> that's right. he brought the receipts, and he brought them for everyone sitting in the crowd. he wants people to take photos of the receipts and post it on social media so that people can know what rick scott proposed,

and by rick scott, he is assigning him a -- connecting him to the republican party. and it's smart because we are in a moment where the truth must -- you know, the truth will set you free. like we need to know where these people are standing on these important issues. and the fact that he was in pl florida and did it, he mentioned desantis, but he went into rick scott's backyard and said, i'll show you what you said. all of you wanted to boo at me on tuesday night. let me bring you what was actually in the plan. now what do you have to say? >> the plan does not say, asterisk, i give an exception to social security. there's no as terterisk in ther. harry enten, what are the numbers? >> we have a poll for you that will show you how many americans support cutting social security and medicare and medicaid.

it's less than 10%. it's 8%. 79% -- >> give me their names. i want to know who they are. >> exactly. you find 8% supporting anything, that small a percentage, i think that's basically equal to the george santos' favorite rating in his own district at this particular point. i believe 10% of americans believe we faked the moon landing, so this is less popular than a wild conspiracy theory. >> so how far can he take this, s.e.? >> oh, i mean i think he's hoping for a very long news cycle on this. let me tell you, the biggest trick he's pulling off here is that he is forcing republicans to talk about policy. >> yep. >> it's not what they want to do. they want to talk about culture wars. they want to talk about wokeism. >> especially desantis. >> especially desantis. other folks like the marjorie taylor greenes and the lauren boeberts, they're not here to govern. they're here to get attention and do grievance politics and

politics of revenge. biden is forcing republicans to talk about policy. it's not where they win. it's where democrats win. so it's a really -- i mean it's a masterful thing, and if i were him, if i were democrats, i would use this as a lesson going for the next year and a half. make republicans talk about policies because they don't want to. they want to talk about mr. potato head. >> so enter nancy mace, tight re-election race. she comes out with a win. last night, press club dinner. and wow, did she bring it. i get it's supposed to be jokes, but these are the kinds of jokes where it's like, ha ha, just kidding. here she is. >> did you watch mccarthy during the speaker's vote? i know many of you were in the halls of congress during that vote. i haven't seen someone a -- we all new matt gaetz would never

let the vote get to 18. i do have a message for matt this evening. he really, really wanted to be here tonight, but he couldn't find a babysitter. i mean, really, like who lies about being -- about playing college volleyball? who does that? if you're going to lie, at least make it about something big. like you actually won the 2020 presidential election. recently there's been a lot of talk about anti-semitism, but since marjorie taylor greene started behaving, the rate of jewish space laser attacks is now zero. i know everyone thinks republicans aren't funny, but if you get a bunch of us together, we can be a real riot. >> who needs democrats? >> honestly, it reminds me when chris sununu was doing something similar. he referred to trump as crazy. nancy going back and forth with

her own caucus in the past. >> trump came out against her. it seems like she's picking a lane. >> yeah, right, absolutely. she has long been opposed to people like matt gaetz. she's had him in her sights for a long time. given the opportunity to have the cover of, oh, this is just jokes, she went for it. >> i like the look on your face. >> oh, i loved it. i've been following nancy mace for a little bit. this nancy mace, i can get behind. i mean calling it like it is and not being afraid of ticking off trump and ticking off the rowdy, you know, unruly wing of the republican party is important. it really is important to call this stuff out even as jokes. >> as the field starts to shape up here, and we were just talking a moment ago that pence clearly wants to run. biden clearly wants to run and he's got some wind behind his sails right now. if it is a biden versus desantis, and i'm going about 50 steps ahead, what does that look

like? >> desantis actually leads biden in the polls right now. the reason why he's going after desantis is if you look at the republican primary polls, what you see is it's basically donald trump. it's ron desantis, and it's everybody else. mike pence is at 2% in polling. nikki haley at 1%. if you match desantis up against trump individually, what you see is desantis is leading -- get this -- 53% to 40%. so the idea that it is definitely going to be donald trump is a fantasy. it's probably going to be either joe biden against donald trump or against ron desantis if biden decides to run. but at this point, who knows? >> it also shows when you look at that, and again it's very early, but there's been this traditional wisdom, donald trump has about a third of the gop, his base, right? whatever it is. maybe it's less than that. if you give him that, you still have that other third, which is theoretically getting way up into the moderate part that desantis has. >> you have independent leaders

who are backing desantis very heavily over donald trump. you have donald trump's core base. even evangelicals prefer desantis to trump in that poll, which is bad news for donald trump. when you look at the change, desantis gains 20 points when it's one-on-one. trump only gains 7 points. >> thank you all so very much. next, more tanks and others promised to come to ukraine but not getting there very quickly. you're going to see what the troops is training with right now. later, senator john fetterman still in the hospital tonight. it comes after fetterman suffered a stroke last year. fellow stroke survivor and country music legend randy travis is outfront with his story and inspirational road to recovery. ♪ d is full of financial noise. you are right on track to hit your r goals. our easy to ususe investing app and local advisors can help you stay y on track.

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the former russian president medvedev today spoke out saying russia is going to increase its production of battle tanks because the u.s. and germany is sending their new top of the line tanks to ukraine. it comes as ukrainian president zelenskyy is asking the eu to provide more modern tanks, longer range missiles and fighter jets. here's cnn's sam kiley. he's got a closer look at the ukrainian arms right now on the front lines. take a look at this. it's a story you'll see first outfront. >> reporter: carrying weapons designed 75 years ago, these ukrainians are grateful that they're training with an american vehicle, even if it's from another age.

they're a mixture of combat veterans and relatively new recruits but all have been fighting in ukraine's eastern front with russia in the cauldrons of bakhmut and soledar. their commander in chief, volodymyr zelenskyy, has begged the west for modern nato standard equipment, and he's been given some modern weapons, but not the strategic weapons like long-range missiles and jets that he says he needs. meanwhile, ukraine's war is expected to intensify, and ukrainians make do with old soviet weapons. and workhorse hand-me-downs like these m-113s, aluminum troop carriers which the u.s. army started using in 1960. about 400 have been given to ukraine by the u.s. and others. this has been patched up since it took a direct hit in bakhmut, where the top gunner was killed. "to say that it's old, well, it looks old, but it just looks

battered. but it does the job 100%," he tells me. ukraine has been given better air defenses, better artillery, better missile systems than it had before. but zelenskyy said that's not enough. and anyway, it's not the best equipment, often not even second best. the ukrainian military are keen to stress that they're really, really grateful for all and any help that they're given. these armored personnel carriers from america are better than some of what they started the war with, and they're an important part of the battlefield replacement. they've been here since the summer. this one already needs a new engine. ukraine captures a lot of what it needs from russia. it's desperately cannibalizing ancient equipment for parts, like a 20th century nation under siege, not a nation that's backed by america and by nato allies. making do is what ukraine has done.

privately, though, commanders here make it clear that it's going to take more than an iron will and hand-me-down weapons for them to win this war. >> sam, you know, it's amazing when you see that. you were by that armored personnel carrier that needs a new engine. it does seem one thing that's coming out of president zelenskyy's talks is more eu leaders are becoming open to the idea of sending fighter jets. so what's changed? >> reporter: well, i think what is happening -- and this has been the case throughout this war and, indeed, the previous war, if you go back to 2014, when ukraine was denied any kind of lethal aid. that was the united kingdom that came forward in the end, many years later, with lethal aid. and then during -- we're now 11, nearly 12 months into this war, erin.

incrementally, nato and other western allies of ukraine have been helping out. but they've been very anxious about it, worried about a nuclear threat coming from russia. i think really the tipping point has been the realization that war in europe, as president zelenskyy has been saying, is ongoing right now, and it could spread and get worse if russia isn't stopped. now we've got the poles, the dutch, the british all hinting, the french not ruling it out, all hinting they might be prepared to send those fighter jets that he so desperately needs, erin. >> sam kiley, thank you so much, on the ground in eastern ukraine. i want to go now to retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. general, as these announcements come of more weaponry going into ukraine, the leopard tanks, russia is responding. medvedev saying russia is going to increase its production battle tanks, coming out with great fanfare to say so. we know about the sanctions, shortages in materials and metals needed to build those

tanks. does russia really have the capability to change the numbers on the ground in terms of tanks? >> i don't believe they do, erin. it would be a really push for them to do it. the russian tank factories are estimated to produce about 200 a year. they're very cheap tanks. they're not very good. they don't compare well to western tanks. but even if they were to produce those 200 tanks a year -- and i'm suspect of that -- they don't have the crews to fill them. they've been having all kinds of problems with mobilization. now right now, in this conflict, in this phase, it's a rush between russian mobilization of soldiers, as many as they can get on the battlefield, and the u.s. providing the kinds of equipment that ukraine needs to fight them. the rest of the winter is going to be tough. in the spring, i think you're going to see the pickup of the ukrainian forces and the capability of projecting counteroffenses and offensive

operations. >> and yet u.s. and german officials say those tanks, the leopard, the abrams, aren't going to come for another few months. i know some of the training is started now. you've got to train multiple people per tank, months of that. tanks won't come for months. why is it taking so long even just on the delivery front? >> yeah. erin, what i'd like to do is balance -- sam's report was a very good one. that 113 he was talking about is what the u.s. army calls a combat taxi. he's right, we have given about 400 of those. but when you think about the other things, $30 billion that the u.s. has provided in aid to ukraine -- >> right. >> -- that's about six times as much as ukraine used in their defense budget alone, and it's about a third of what russia's defense budget is. but also you have to include in that 31 abram tanks, 45 t.-72 tanks, 109 bradley fighting vehicles, 90 stryker armored personnel vehicles, over 1,700

humvees, 38 himars. the list goes on and on. so anyone saying that the west is slow-rolling this doesn't have a long list of the things that have been provided in that $30 billion package. >> before you go, i want to ask you one other crucial thing. we're reporting tonight that the president of spacex, founded by elon musk, said it is now going to prevent ukrainian soldiers from fully using that starlink satellite service. this has been the key to the war for them, right? they have relied on this. what do you say to elon musk right now? >> i think it's despicable, erin. this is the second time mr. musk has threatened the restriction or the constraints on the use of the starlink, and it is critical for ukraine combat opportunities, not only for guided ammunition from artillery pieces and himars, but also the guiding of their drone

capability. ukraine's citizens are getting crushed by russian artillery and russian missiles, and they have to fire back. to strip away the capability of giving the ukrainian force just a precise and precision weapons is just despicable. if mr. musk is doing that, he's a horrible human being in my opinion. >> general hertling, thank you very much. >> pleasure, erin. thank you. next, new images from the china spy balloon showing five antennas, huge solar panels so china could listen to u.s. communications, pinpoint exactly where they were coming from. and senator john fetterman is remaining hospitalized tonight. he had felt light headed after he suffered a stroke last year. fellow stroke survivor randy travis, country music legend, has a lesson along with his wife for others battling this. ♪ i'm going to love you forever and ever ♪ ♪ forever and ever, amen ♪

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tonight, senator john fetterman still in the hospital undergoing tests after a health scare. the senator's spokesperson says he just received the results of an mri showing he did not have another stroke. fetterman was taken to the hospital yesterday. he said he felt lightheaded. it has been just nine months since he suffered a stroke in

the middle of his 2022 campaign. for those who have survived a stroke like country music superstar randy travis, awareness is everything. travis suffered a near fatal stroke in 2013. he was rushed to the emergency room. he was complaining of congestion. he then suffered a massive stroke that affected the whole left part of his brain. at one point his heart completely stopped. doctors rushed to put him on life support and into an induced coma. he had a 1% chance of survival, 1%. but he beat the odds. outfront now, randy travis and his wife, mary. now, randy, i know it will be ten years this summer since you suffered your stroke, and it's a miracle you're hear with us today. every day has been part of your recovery. how are you feeling now? >> good, yeah. >> yeah, he feels good. he has a joy in his heart, and he keeps a smile on his face. and we do every day understand how blessed we are to still be

here. we thank god every day for being here and for all the blessings that get in our way each day. so it just -- he's just been a joy to be with and to walk through this with. >> and i know that you -- obviously, randy, you hear and you think and it's verbally processing that can be so difficult. and, mary, you've been there by randy's side through this entire road to recovery at such a crucial part. it's incredible when we see the video that you shared with us of randy in 2013 when this started compared to obviously where you are now. i know the verbal part for you, randy, is still such a challenge. you know, we're having this conversation. mary, you're helping with some of the talking. what has been the hardest part of the recovery? >> i think the hardest part of the recovery is understanding what the new you is, what the new -- and i hate the cliche the

new normal because there is no normal. but the aphasia, the aftermath. 85% of the people in the world don't know what aphasia is, which is the inability to speak. the pathways between the brain and the mouth have been severed. that's a hard thing to deal with, especially when you're randy travis, who spoke to the world through his song. the other thing is the rehab that you go through after stroke. it's -- it's extremely grueling, and you just have to stick to it. you know, you're not ever defeated until you quit, so you just have to keep doing it day in and day out and understanding that life is the best therapy that we've found. >> yeah. >> just getting back to doing as much things as you did before, maybe in a different way, but continuing to move forward. >> i know you go to dinner with friends and do all these things. as you say, the things you did

before but in a different way. and, randy, for you, though, so much of who you were was public, or at least we had a view of you performing, right, your singin. this is you just a few weeks before your stroke. you were on the road that summer. some of your last stops were detroit and chicago. you look healthy, completely healthy. i know you then started experiencing some congestion. you were rushed to the hospital in critical condition, and then they had you in an induced coma for 72 hours. you went through the surgery to reduce the pressure on your brain, all of this. mary, what should people know about how suddenly this can happen? >> well, it can happen overnight. like you said, he was working out two days before we went to the hospital -- or the day before we went to the hospital. the day we went to the hospital, we had had an eight-hour meeting, and he just said, i

don't feel good. and that was unusual for randy. but what we were experiencing was the myopathy that had hit the heart. the heart was starting to shut down because it was being stressed by the lungs filling up. so as far as the stroke symptoms that anyone would normally see, which is that f.a.s.t. you see the acronym for face drooping, arm weakness, speech slurred, and then of course time being the most critical issue. but we didn't experience that because he was in a coma at the time of his stroke, probably created from when he flat-lined and they resuscitated him, and they believe that's when the clot was thrown that created the stroke. so ours was the viral cardiomyopathy that started the

walls to tumble down, and after that, it was then the stroke and one thing led to another. it happened quickly. >> very quickly. >> it was pretty much an overnight thing for us. >> and, you know, randy, you did come back to the stage in 2016 after your stroke, and you actually were able to sing amazing grace. you were inducted into the country music hall of fame. it's got to bring a lot of joy to so many and inspiration of so many to see you do that. i know the support of so many who you don't know who feel like they know you must mean a lot to you after all of this. >> a lot. good. >> mary, what is your message to other stroke survivors on the road to recovery? >> don't give up. don't ever stop. don't ever stop believing

that -- we would go through plateaus of recovery, and then we'd think, okay, that's it. well, then, the next thing you'd know, there was another little thing. i always called them giant baby steps because it would be something elsewhere we would go, okay, that was enough to keep us going again. just don't ever stop and don't lose hope and don't lose your joy in life, and just remain positive. surround yourself with good and positive and faithful people that bring you joy. and i think that's the best medicine that there is, is just living life. i mean none of us are given a tomorrow, and so just to be here is our mulligan in life, and we're just going to keep on -- we're just going to keep shooting for the stars. >> a message for everyone. >> i suggest that for everybody. >> yes, for all of us. thank you both so very much. >> yeah. >> mary and randy travis, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us.

god bless. next, the first evidence from the spy balloon in the hands of the fbi tonight as the biden administration reveals what they have already learned it was capable of doing. that's next.

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cnn learning the chinese spy balloon shot down by the united states was equipped with large solar panels and multiple antennas that made it capable of listening to u.s. communications and geo locating the specific point of the communications. our reporter is out front in beijing. they're getting a lot of details now. precise details. they're getting more off the floor of the ocean and they're putting it all out there. so the chinese government sort of has to respond in some way. what is their response to these developments? >> reporter: yeah, we've really seen chinese propaganda take a new strategy which is to point the if ifinger the other way an deflect. they went initially from express go regret to now being indignant and blaming democrats and republicans for blowing this out of proportion for political capital to look tough on china. for example, this was a quote from the global times. this is a nationalist state

tabloid. it reads, quote, the u.s. is the most unstable factor in international security. it is ridiculous for such a country to use a civil balloon to play up the china threat to the world and its attempt to confuse the public is unlikely to succeed. we are all, erin, seeing this contrast between what beijing and washington are claiming only getting starker. you have china still doubling down on its claim that this was a civilian weather balloon that took an unplanned course out of their control. for the u.s., as you say, we've gotten a lot more details from officials about how this was the spy balloon, capable of monitoring u.s. communications, and how it is part of a fleet of balloons that has flown over more than 40 countries across five continents. we've learned from the pentagon that china refused a conversation with lloyd austin following the downing of the balloon. china's defense ministry saying they reject that because the conditions were not right given the u.s.'s response, irresponsible approach. the chinese and u.s. leadership

both have domestic audiences to cater to. neither side wants to look weak. still not sure how this will impact long-term relations. >> now they're looking at this balloon. they can tell there were a lot of other balloons prior to it that flew over the u.s. and it seems from u.s. intelligence that they're very chur that chinese president xi jinping was very involved in this program but may not be, as we're hearing, been aware of this specific balloon. >> yeah. not only that xi was not aware of the specific balloon but the people's liberation army and the communist party were also not aware. the officials from the u.s. believe the chinese side are trying to figure out how all of this happened. so it really shows that this could have been from a lack communication internally, which some experts have been telling me from the start. >> yeah. it doesn't look good for xi jinping either. thank you very much.

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