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>> good evening leah, begin with the most immediate humanitarian crisis in the world right. now it is been three days since a magnitude 7.8 earthquake struck the region bordering turkey and syria. the number of that continues to rise from hundreds, to thousands, to tens of thousands. right now at least 21,000 people known to have been killed in other 78,000 insured. because, there is far less access to northern syria, the concern is the casualties there could be far worse. we are watching this play out right now from a distance, and from a distance it looks one way. but a close, is where the horror and heroism is. it is disaster is happening one person at a time. in this case, one little girl. we don't know her name, she has bought five years, old she was rescued after being trapped for 89 hours. two other girls a life waiting to be freed.
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small victories, one at a time, from a distance, small lifeboats on a sea of despair from up close the entire world. from a close as well as the losses come by one child one family person by person block by block, home by home, hour after hour, every moment of every day, now since monday morning. it women's loss one friend gone. one classmate missing, a patient to treat a mouth to feed and a family to shelter again and again. tonight, from a close, some of those stories, and we want to, when some of what you see is graphic. >> in the darkness, they search. matt and sometimes, they find them. a family crushed in what was once they are home. headlamps reveal a woman partially visible, laying on her side. she has no pulse.
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a hand frantically waves in the rubble, a man alive. the baby buried next to him, a two-month-old girl's -- feet away, the move the woman's arm, and find a toddler named -- she was protecting. this ice closed, no sign of life, they pave the way of the concrete, but then -- the cry of life. matt [crying] [crying ] god is great,
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one rescuer cries. in another, building another child's pinned beneath collapsed concrete and steel. rescuers give him water from the cap of a bottle. sip by sip, second after second, they keep him alive. elsewhere, a boy is found, they and, work until he's finally free. [crowd chanting] >> after someone, death someone's disappointment, the rescuers rejoice for the boy.
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in the ambulance, he cries for his family. my parents, my parents he says. your family, god willing, will be okay a rescuer tells him. you are a hero. >> we've had correspondents throughout the quake zone from the beginning. tonight nancy chen, jomana karadsheh, and nick paton walsh. tonight i start with jomana karadsheh in turkey. you are in front of a 14-story residential building, and there are rescue crews right now searching for people who may be trapped. what has it been like over the last several hours? >> well, you know, anderson, here you do not see the extensive destruction uc and other parts of the quake zone. but, you find buildings like this one, flattened and we believe that 100 people were inside the apartments here, and over the past 19 plus hours you
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had the search and rescue crews working around the clock, trying to find survivors. but so far, they have only been able to extract lifeless bodies, and tonight they have reached the lower floors, and so we are seeing them pulling more and more dead bodies. i can tell you, this is just devastating. for so many people who we have met out here, who have been searching for their loved ones, i mean they have been sitting out here in the freezing cold, not knowing whether they're going to find them, or not. it has been this agonizing waves of not knowing whether they should continue to, wait or begin to mourn. i think now this gut wrenching reality is really starting to sink in for so many people here. >> and, jomana, even people who are pulled out of the wreckage alive, they often then learn that they are the only ones from their families who have made it out, or they are the only ones from their families
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who are still alive. >> and you know, anderson, we saw a lot of -- we were in the city of -- one of the hardest hit provinces in turkey, and there, you have people in the state of shock, people just walking around on the streets, dazed, and struggling to fathom what has happened to them. almost everyone we spoke to has lost family members, or were standing out there waiting to find their family members. hope is fading for so many people. i mean here we met two sisters who have been here for a few nights looking for their cousin, and they got to a point, anderson, where they stop -- their surging in the hospital, and they have gone from finding him alive, to hoping they will find his body in one piece. >> i know you were in another
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-- you are talking about in this other city, and talking to people. i think have some sound. who is it you were talking to? >> well, anderson, we met this man who was living in london, and when the news broke, he jumped on a flight, came back to his city to find his sister, and family members, and he said it is a miracle that they found them. they were pulled out from under the wreckage, they were chap under the rubble for 15 hours, and they came out alive. but still, he is in a state of shock like so many people in the city. >> i am speechless, to be honest. i mean, a very bad dream. then, i'm hearing so many of our friends, so many of -- relatives are dying, my --
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all collapsed, i'm only breathing at the moment. >> and, we heard that sort of sentiment from almost everyone we spoke to today out here. it is unimaginable what people are going through right now, there are still searching for the loved ones, they're still confused about what happened. they just do not know what they're going to do next. they just haven't processed what has happened to them, and they can't begin to think about the future, waking up from the bedroom as you heard, and interesting, so many families just waiting in a parking lot on the side of a road watching a heap of concrete, and cement that used to be their home, or their loved ones home, and just waiting for their -- any word on someone inside, somewhere in that massive heat
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behind you and all over sports throughout turkey and northern syria. jomana, appreciate you being there tonight. now to the turkish city of -- nick paton walsh, you are south of where she, is talk about what you have been seeing. >> yeah, it has been a long day here of attempted rescues. false hope. a brief moment of relief. particularly in the building behind me over here, anderson. about first dusk, there was an intensive influx of rescuers because they heard noise from one of those areas, and indeed it seems like a police officer was trapped, and the colleagues turned up as well. an hour or so, or intends to, getting the first what he came out, that of a 21-year-old man. some medics giving cpr, a pretty bad sign in that case, but the extraordinary moment of hope.
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a four-year-old boy pulled from the wreckage alive, seemingly alert enough to try and pick his oxygen mask when medics tried to help him, but sadly it seems has father followed shortly afterwards showing significantly less signs of life. the boy would have been thinking now after 89 hours trapped beneath what would've been his apartment block money hind me there. the afters afterwards, we've seen -- looking to clear rubble, and also free releasing that bodies that are piled up around me as the day has gone by. but this city just devastated. some buildings intact, standing upright, other next to it pound cake. that is going to render huge swathe of this million strong city uninhabitable for years, potentially, vast reassessments of the infrastructure around me. as you can see here, people who would've lived here, happily in their homes, no burning we
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don't know what because i think there is smoke around much of the city, partly because people trying to keep warm, it is incredibly cold temperatures. anderson? >> so the people behind, who they may have lived in the buildings somewhere around there, i mean, people, are they just still waiting outside? waiting for word of their loved ones? >> yeah, i mean, some of the window for people to wait for news is beginning to close now. yes, we saw just before we came on, air people continue to rush down towards weather -- but an ambulance is, there some rescue workers sometimes it seems full on hope and believe that may have been heard. there may be a sign of life that needs investigating, but we've seen so many times today they arrive too late. this morning even, medical workers rushing to the scene, a bizarre street frankly which every single apartment block was still upright, but its
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bottom three floors have collapsed down on themselves. and from one of those collapsed areas, an eight year old girl was pulled out. they hoped she was live, at the time she got the ambulance, the medical worker said it was quite clear she had lost her life. her mother obviously distraught said, that she hoped her little one would not be lost, not be taken away. so, on the street here, there is a rush to try and find some moments of relief or hope, but the despair is just mounting, along with the numbers of dead, and this odd sense of a city having to live out in the open, to skip the possibility some more, these buildings may collapse upon, them burning in the remnants of their own homes, that is what some of the smoke is. from the kitchen cabinet, we think, behind us over here, that is causing the air to be difficult for some of the kids we have seen living out in the open. they are a hastily erected tent
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cities and green spaces around here, fans just going up around me here, but none of that keeps all the cold that people are suffering from here. and, this is just mounting challenges in the days and weeks ahead, for government that has to deal with the aftermath of a quake, but also a future of the people whose lives have been taken by. anderson? >> nick paton walsh, appreciate, it thank, you nick. next, breaking news, the january six special counsel subpoenas mike pence. what he might learn -- or what the special counsel might learn from his testimony, whether executive privilege applies, and later, congressman george santos, another pass criminal charged now surfacing, what was made and what happened after police showed up to his door. onlthat actively cools, warms, and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number. my name is tonya, i am 42. as mother of nine kids, i think i waited this long to get botox® cosmetic because i take like no time for myself.
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testimony, and any documents about this. now mike pence has formally been subpoenaed, asking for his testimony and documents. part of the most aggressive move we have seen yet from jack smith, who is the special counsel that -- a little confusing that he's looking into things. the documents that trump took with, him but also trump's actions on january six. the subpoena, i'm told, is related to january 6th. they won't make princess testimony, and any documents about that. he was one of the key people who were speaking one-on-one with, trump a lot of those times leading to the election, leading up to january, six obviously that was when the relax -- completely right at that time. they think he has a lot to offer. of course, it is in this clash over executive privilege, his attorney, and very big an executive privilege. we will see where it goes. >> but they have been negotiating this? >> they have been negotiating, but clearly it hit an impasse. they were talking about a voluntary interview back in november, i think that was before jackson with had been appointed by merrick garland to be the special counsel, before there was a special counsel. clearly, things escalated and felt the need to subpoena, them
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i'm told that pence found out on tuesday that this was coming. >> so, elliott, is he going to talk? what are the limitations? >> let me tell you first about what he cannot do. here he cannot just ignore the subpoena, hope it goes away like we saw a lot of people do on january six subpoena. here is what his options are. one, he can testify, go in front of the rancher, eco under oath, and answer questions. to, he can continue negotiating -- but sometimes, serving the subpoena as a way of expediting things, meaning them, to the next level or three he can't challenge this in court as an executive privilege argument, and i think it is important to, know mike pence can challenges under executive privilege, but donald trump can try and come in from the outside and say, i am the hold of that privilege, i was the president, i do not want my conversations with my vice president disclosed. that would set up a court battle we go through the district court, federal court of appeals, maybe a supreme court, and so many stakes really. >> scott, what do you think the calculus for francis? >> i actually think this is not the -- --
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he is the central witness in an effort to overturn u.s. election. and, you know, throw the u.s. government. i expect to be asked if you questions. but for him politically, to be truck in under subpoena, as opposed to going voluntarily, maybe he thinks that works for him politically, i do think he is genuinely concerned about his constitutional role here, which is why he did what he did on the sixth, but the executive privilege does matter to him. and, it wouldn't shock me that they would try to see him fight this out, and he would say i just think we have to maintain this privilege, and separation of powers as much as possible. so even if he loses on it, it wouldn't shock me if they tested that now a little bit. >> and what would a fight like that look? like we would not go? clearly, i guess, it would go the way of the supreme court? >> if it doesn't go to the supreme court, or united states court of appeals, the d.c. circuit which is the second highest court of the land, anderson, but the complication, is mike pence a former executive privilege, is the
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relationship with donald trump, who is not one the president of the united states, number two an individual, but number three also a candidate for office. now certainly, many of the communications he would have had with donald trump and their capacity as president and vice president, or going to be protected, and frankly ought to be protected assuming they are not talking about breaking the law. now, it gets a little bit more complicated, where if they were talking about purely political matters, purely personal matters, it is good to be something in the court will have to carve up. and, to the point elliott was making, a could take some time to figure out some of these very complicated issues a first impression that court simply have not seen yet. >> so, there's no telling the timeline of any testimony? >> there is a deadline on a subpoena obviously, we did not know what that is exactly, we have been asking tonight. the other thing that complicates this, though mike pence really, bookie talk about january 6th in that book. we have heard, i mean the press, recording justice department investigators saying that could potentially help them, because it gets into the dynamic of, he goes into the, room he can
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answer some questions on january 6th as he talked about in his book, -- >> it was not exactly forthcoming though in the, book and you would sort of gloss over some things. >> yes, but he did talk about conversations, remember he said he was praying for, him things like that, so i do think there is some gray area there. i don't know how they will navigate. that >> caitlin makes a great, point the legal term for that is waiver, the argument you would make us prosecutor's, he has gone into this in public, he has given up the privilege already, even if it is sort of halfway, once you give up, you let it out of the, but you can't go back in. we may see that from prosecutors. >> do you expect the former president to actually try and make an executive privilege here? >> yeah i don't think he wants mike pence to go how he tried to pressure him into subverting the u.s. constitution. he was the essential -- the whole plot was to get mike pence to do something. and, when he wouldn't do, it it was then to intimidate him into doing something. we saw how that manifested itself. so, yes -- >> elliott, and the subpoena
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from the justice department, request, testimony, documents, how soon after the subpoena has gone out do you think the doj would start receiving material from the vice president pence for his team? >> well, he has to agree to start turning them over. and, along the lines of the options we're talking about a little earlier, he is probably going to file a suit in some way to challenge, or question the legitimacy of the subpoena. so we are not seeing any documents. and, anytime soon, and, you know, not within days or we've had a little bit of time going on, but it is probably going to be litigated because these are very complicated questions and separation of powers. >> elliott williams, scott jennings, thank you very much. coming up, the allegations of fraud against congressman george santos extend from brazil, to the u.s., and now to puppies in amish country. breaking news next.
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month said this. >> look, i've worked my entire, life i've lived in on this, life i have never been accused of anything bad doings. >> and he was lying when he said that. he had already been charged in brazil with check, fraud also one-time accused of stealing thousands army gofundme page that of a man's dying dog, and yes the dog died. now the breaking news, another story involving dogs, charges first reported in politico, there is the headline santos was charged with theft in 2017 case tied to almost dog breeders. the tweet is a freelance journalist who's covering george santos for politico. jacqueline, can you explain how santos came to be charged with theft in amish country? >> a lot about this is still mystery, we did know there was charges filed in 2017 in york county pennsylvania, which is center of amish country. the case was --
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the charges were expunged, so there wasn't any court records of them. recently, a woman who was his friend in junior high happened to run into him in early 2020, and he said can you help me, i was served a warrant in my apartment. can you help me address these charges? what should i say. so she has legal knowledge, she tried to help, him and she recounted to the pennsylvania state police what he told her, and she has shared that now with me, and -- so >> so the charge was dismissed, santos record was expunged, i think in 2021, do you know why it was expunged? >> we know what he told the friend, so what the friend told me was that -- so they could not find him for a couple years, they finally served the warrant, secure courting to the story he told
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her who told me. they served awards in 2020 and he sends an email explaining that his checkbook had been stolen, he did not write the checks, and he produced some evidence which was the checks at his bank statements, and she sent that on his behalf, then he went to pennsylvania to explain it to them, and he told her you convince them to drop the charges. the expunge we don't know, meaning it would have had to been a filing he did, that could have taken some time. we don't really know that yet. >> and, this is the second controversy involving, dogs is a lurch charity friends and pets united, as he commented about this? >> not to my law which. not yet. his attorney did not return a request for comment for us. not that i have heard yet. >> and, how was it that you came to find this? >> so, again, people, there was a trace of the expunged charge and some background reports,
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but there was no information, and there was no information available from the court. i thought it may have had possibly had to do with -- because i knew from other sources i've been talking to for a long time now that they did say he made trips to almost country to rescue puppies from on this breeders. and, i know these adoption events were going on, and when i finally was able to connect with former childhood friend, who helped him write the letter, that is when it all came together. >> what were the checks used for? >> so they are written out, so the memo, lines most of them, state puppies are puppy. therefore 700 to $2, 000, and when i talk to these breeders, in pennsylvania, they said those were typical -- of these pure bread puppies, so that is what we know. that is what we know just from the memo of the checks. we have the czech records that
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it says puppies. >> and, so, it is not clear what he was actually accused though of -- what is the accused of stealing? >> no. the checks did not clear. so, the assumption is, we know the charge was theft by deception, so we could put two and two together. >> got it. jacqueline, appreciated, thank you so much. just ahead, new testimony in the double murder trial of alec murdoch. what frances he and murdaugh discussed after the -- murdaugh and wife were -- murdered. let me bring in my expert. mmm so many scratches... oh those are from my car keys. - such a rich history. - yeah. this won't do well at auction. but at at&t, it's worth a brand-new samsung galaxy s23. - wait really? - mmhmm. what about this? at&t's deal is back. - wow. pre-order a free samsung galaxy s23 with a galaxy phone trade-in.
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>> a close friend of alex murdaugh testified about the time his wife and younger son were brutally murdered, chris wilson was a fellow attorney also testified that murdaugh admitted to wilson about stealing money from clients to find a drug habit. murdaugh's a member of a once prestigious south carolina family, at least people thought they, were he's accused of killing his wife and younger son. prosecutors say -- we are about to be revealed, here's randi kaye's report. >> what time was that first call? >> it looks like it was at 9:11 pm, and coming from his cell phone. >> alex murdaugh's best friend chris wilson testifying that
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alex called him at 9:11 pm, the night of the murders. that would've been about 20 minutes after prosecutors say alex's wife and son were killed. >> that he saw normal? to >> do sounded normal, yes sir. >> normal is tony said alex sounded. he said he had to call him later. >> he said that is fine, no problem. >> that phone call could be key, prosecutor seem to be trying to show alex was allegedly trying to create an alibi after the murders. chris wilson said he called alex back at 9:20 pm, and alex told him he was almost at his mom's house. all of this tracks with prosecutors saying, alex fired up his car, and left the property where the murders took place about 9:06 pm that night. alex said he was napping behind for that, and was not with his family around the time they were killed. wilson said alex sentiment techs at 9:52 pm saying, call me if you are up. wilson testified he called alex back at 9:53 pm on the night in
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question, to discuss a case. >> i told him i needed to talk to him, he said hey, that is cool, but i will get back, home can we talk tomorrow. i said sure. >> that last call would have been just before alex returned home. just before he says he found his wife and son shot multiple times and bleeding. alex called 9-1-1 at 10:07 pm. on cross examination, the defense leaned on wilson to tell the jury what a loving family the murdaugh's were. >> would you agree that alex number one party with his family? >> yes sir it appear that way to me. >> when i say his family, i talk about maggie, and paul. >> on the issue of gunshot residue -- >> this jack is the jacket i examined. >> megan fletcher, an expert on gunshot residue testifying for the state. she told the court she found a significant amount of gunshot residue on the inside of a blue rain jacket recovered from alex murdaugh's home, following the murders. >> i confirmed 38 particles characteristic. given that it is on the inside,
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in order for it to be consistent with transfer, an object, or objects with a high amount of gunshot residue on it, it would have had to transfer to it. >> an object like a fire arm as prosecutor john matters into that with this line of questioning. >> you had a gun inside that jacket which had recently been fired, and you are taking it somewhere, and our transport would be 38 particles inside, inside the rain jacket be consistent with transfer from me recently fired firearm? >> that is a possibility, yes. >> the states working theory seems to me that alex murdaugh used this rain jacket to wrap up at least one of the murder weapon, who allegedly dispose of them. then, stash the jack in the mother's house. a theory the defense tried to knock down. >> you have no idea how gunshot residue ended up on that government, correct? >> i cannot tell you how it got
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there. >> or when it got? there >> or when it got there. >> what have you learned about this incident in court involving alex murdaugh and his family? >> yeah, anderson, a source with knowledge of this incident told me alex murdaugh's sister lynn asked him a booking court yesterday. and a source told me nobody knew about that, so it was considered contraband. they did not know what was in the book, or what this was all about. then we have the bums here in the afternoon so the whole courthouse was evacuating alex murdaugh was taken back to jail, and only later did they realize he had this book in his jail cell. so they confiscated, and, anderson, the book's title is by john grisham, it is called the charges, rules but also important to let you know just a few minutes before this happened, alex murdaugh's same sister lynn, and his only surviving son buster were admonished in court for their conduct buster apparently according to the court clerk on the record, telling me that he was making obscene gestures at a witness while that witness was testifying. so now his sister and his son
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have been moved back in court further away from alex murdaugh, further away from that witness box, and they have been warned if this continues to have been, they will be barred from the courtroom. anderson? >> randi kaye, appreciate. it legal -- current offense attorney at a former assistant da in new york city defense attorney mark o'mara. so, what do you make of this testimony from the friend of mr. murdaugh? >> i mean, i'm not sure i make that much of it. the issue really is about the time, because the question is whether or not he was calling him in order to establish an alibi. one of the things he does say, that is an issue for the prosecution, he says they seem very calm. they seem completely fine, they don't seem excited. so the argument -- i'm sorry, for the defense, if he is not very excited, and that bodes to them he is not reacting. for the prosecution, i mean, that is an issue. all of the prosecution can say he has lied to everyone, his entire life about who he is. >> for decades. >> if it is true about the
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financial crimes he has been lying to everyone for a long time. >> including his best friend. so if he is able to light him on every level, he's the type of person that maybe could cover up the fact that he might be a little excited he had just killed his -- >> allegedly he lied about an opioid addiction even his family, and i mentioned the financial crimes to his family as well. >> decades worth of lies, and what the prosecution does not have to do is give that much of a motive, but if they come across with an argument that he's almost pretty much a sociopath. with everything he has, done stealing from almost everybody who has come into contact with, it is a little easier for the jury to make that leap of sorts that he could easily have killed a son and wife, and come across without a bullet in his blood pressure parking but a body of his. >> so do you think that witnessed could've helped the prosecution? >> i think our prosecution in a number of, ways it is another testimony concerning all of the financial crimes. and, it is also showing that possibly this guy is so sociopathic, so much that it does not care at all about how
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he presents himself. yet, he's willing to do the other thing he needs to do an alibi. >> because that hurdle of how is it possible a father would kill his, not just his wife, but his son, at close range -- >> yeah, i mean, people, as a prosecutor, people kill each other because somebody looked at them, funny or did not like their way the chicken dinner was made by their wife. so people have been to kill at the most random times. the issue, as they think he planned it. so does not just an active immediate reaction, where he suddenly is killing us family, they think actually planned, it and you have to accept that the motive, the finances are the reason he planned this elaborate scheme to kill his wife and son. you have to question, why? by the way, he is a lawyer, so he will know that if his wife is killed, who are they going to look at. they will look at him, you look at, finances it is the fact he doesn't want. >> also, he did allegedly have somebody to hire somebody shoot him in the head for insurance
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purposes. >> yeah, well, i'm not sure he agreed -- that he did that for insurance purposes, i'm suspect about that. i think, my theory is, he had shot, he had the guy he knew was not going to be killed that, day he wanted another possible suspect out there. he was worried they were gleaming towards, him by the way, i'm allowed to theorize because everybody seems to be theorizing. even the prosecutor is making up what things mean. >> either way, it is cold and -- actually to shoot you in the, head or make it look like you're having some tissue in the, head it is cold and calculating. >> oh, by the way, if you listen to the 9-1-1 call which i listen to 1000 times, i laugh because he is so sincere about the fact that this guy came along and shot him in the head. he is lying, and he is lying to the whole thing, and when you put that next to the 9-1-1 call he makes, you start to say who is this person really? >> the theory of this case is so polarized. either of very innocent, i put upon by all these circumstances in an overzealous prosecution. or completely calculated
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everything. and that's why, when the state brings out his other calculations, the stealing and whatnot. the calm demeanor. even the interview he had in the car. with the sort of tears but no tears. all the sudden able to come up with a whole bunch of other opportunities and percent evidence as to why somebody might have done it. i think the prosecution is doing a good job of so now polarization. this guy is just evil. >> the number of dead bodies in this case we are mere, have died under bizarre unusual circumstances or unexplained circumstances is extraordinary. >> it is. but again, that is not why they are focusing on. it's the craziest, hail from, often there's probably more that we don't know about. it's interesting when we focus on this case, pop about whether the motive is really going to connect to this, i do worry about how the finances will impact the jury. and if the jury at the end of
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this case is going to wonder why are we here? what we hear about the fact, i'm willing to convict him for these finances, i'm not sure it has led me to the murder and that is why if there is three more homicide trials that come up because of his person that's coming his way, that will be an interesting next couple of years. >> thank you so, much appreciated. , next so much sadness and lying in the world. the story of compassion and kindness. coming up next, i talked a michigan's sheriff's deputy he found alone at the side of this car stressed out and in tears. and a remarkable thing to happen between them and they started to talk. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good!
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>> we have new details on the story we first told you last night. in a moment, i will talk with the mystery in sheriff's deputy who went above and beyond when he checked on a man who had pulled over on the side of the road. moms clearly stressed out and in tears. take a look. >> what kind of for you today. you say you don't want to hurt yourself right. have you ever attempt suicide or anything like that in the past? >> so anything i can do to help you? >> i could use a hug. >> i'll give you a hug.
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>> seems like you've got a lot going on man. sorry. sorry ma'am. seems like a lot to take on you know. >> we can get you some help. we get you somebody to talk to and stuff. >> they talked for quite awhile. deputy gave the man a phone number of the local crisis center and his own phone number and said to call. made a difference. the man thanked him and said that it means a lot. joining me now is that sheriff's deputy and his boss. appreciate you both being with us. deputy, first of all, i just found this so moving what you did. and your partner. how is the man you helped. how is he doing? i know you've talked him a couple of times since. >> i spoke with him earlier today. he is seeking out professional help. he is doing really well. i talk to him for about 45 minutes. and actually we are going to
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meet up in person. and just check on him. >> i know you said your own experience in the marines helped you to connect with him. can you talk about that a little bit? >> yes sir. when i came out of the marine corps, the combat experiences weighed heavy on me. and when i got out of service, it weighed on me a little bit more than i actually knew. it took my wife from realizing it from an outside perspective. and actually convincing me to get professional help. to talk through the things that weighed down on me so much. talking to a professional. talking to somebody that understands helps tremendously. >> one of the things i think is so remarkable about the job of law enforcement, you never know who or what you are going to encounter. in any roadside stop. in any call that you get. how often.
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and you are sort of forced to deal with people where they are at. and that can mean mental health issue. it can mean an emotional crisis. whatever it may mean. how often do you come across people who are in just a need of a hug or somebody to talk to? >> it happens more often than you think. we talk to welfare checks that homes. civil stand by. where people are just upset for the situation that's going. and the training we get here at the sheriff's department. in the marines. my own personal experience. you kind of just sort of put it off together and figure out each situation. >> sheriff, was this a textbook case of how officers should interact with somebody who is struggling? to me, it just seemed so human and decent and compassionate. >> it's a proud moment for the sheriff's office. jonathan.
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how they engaged with this individual. and help this individual. all of my personal i. whether it is in the jail or on the road. one of the things i really stress is you have to treat people like you want to be treated. we are human, everybody has a motions and we are problem solvers. and as you've said, you never know what type of call you are going to go on. but the majority of time, when people call us, we have to solve a problem for them. and usually, i tell them to take that little extra time. have that, listen to what they are saying and see if we can help them out. you know, these guys do an excellent job. we are getting emails, phone calls and thank-yous and gratitude from around the country. and it just makes me around the sheriff's office proud. that i have members in my office that can go out there
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and treat people with respect and help them out when they need. >> the vehicle, and i'm wondering what reaction you've heard from fellow officers from just people who've seen this. >> they said i did a real good job. and in the moment it is just, i would like to think that is the person i am. just to help them out and you know i can just tell by his voice and everything, he wasn't a threat in any which way. a lot of people ask me if i give it to a lot. this is actually the first time somebody ever asked me for a hug. >> i've got to, say it seems like you didn't bat an eye about. you are like, sure i will do that. >> no, just because of my own personal experience, i knew where he was coming from. the young man was hurting. deep inside. and i am just glad that it helped him out. we sent him on the right path so that he can get everything in line. >> deputy, thorne chef, i really appreciate what you do and i appreciate you talking to
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