very good friday morning to you, i'm jim sciutto. >> friday, not a day too soon. i'm erica hill. good to have you with us this morning. a significant milestone to tell but in the justice department's two-year criminal investigation into the january 6th insurrection. former vice president mike pence subpoenaed by the special counsel investigating former president donald trump and his role in the attack on the capitol. just ahead, we will take you closer look at what kind of information the special counsel and what to get from the former vp. plus in the midst of so much devastation there are at least a few miraculous stories of survival in turkey after that massive earthquake. a family of six, two parents and their four children, together, lifted from the rubble after being buried for nearly 102

hours. hope for finding more people alive dwindling, though. the death toll has climbed above 22,000 people. those who survived are facing a secondary disaster. the humanitarian x-crisis growi, cnn is in the midst of it. we begin this morning with the special counsel investigating donald trump now issuing a subpoena to former vice president mike pence. paula reid is here with more. paula, what is this expected? >> it was. >> how significant? >> we knew this was likely coming because we know they've been in negotiations for months, the pence team and the justice department and these negotiations began before jack smith was even appointed. we knew that pence had signaled a willingness to at least provide some information and the fact that also a subpoena doesn't necessarily mean that there is an impasse. we've seen a lot of witnesses who would prefer to be subpoenaed so it does not appear that they are voluntarily testifying against the former

president. i do expect there will be some limits on what he is willing to provide. there are legitimate questions about executive privilege when it comes to conversations between a vice president and a president. but he did make it a little more difficult because he wrote about a lot of the things they're going to want to ask him about in his memoire, right? conversations he had with trump. the pressure campaign that he was facing leading up to january 6th and the events of january 6th itself. now, the former president has signaled that at this point his team does not intend to get involved in this, but it's a great reminder the investigation, the special counsel probes, these are active and ongoing. we have learned the special counsel jack smith also recently subpoenaed trump's former national security adviser, robert o'brien. investigators also spoke with his former acting department of homeland security chad wolf. if you talked to former president trump's lawyers they would really like you to believe that this investigation is all wrapped up, it's over, there will be a press conference any day but clearly we see from our reporting and these subpoenas that is not the case. >> it's a washington phenomena to write about something in your

book but refuse to testify. >> so washington, right? >> thanks so much. joining us now to discuss cnn chief political correspondent and anchor of "state of the union" dana bash and shan wu. good to have both of you with us this morning. there's not only a subpoena we learned about, shan, for the former vice president but also as of course paula pointed out robert o'brien, chad wolf. when you look at what we do know publicly, what has increased in terms of the knowledge we have publicly, does this give you an indication of where things may be headed? >> well, only in the sense that it's probably more towards the end of the investigation stage than the middle, let's say, because these are folks who are higher up and you want to work your way up the ladder towards them. so i don't know that we can say whether it's headed for indictment or not. i mean, from the public reporting it seems lick there's plenty of evidence for indictment. these are the sorts of folks you

would want to subpoena towards the end of the investigation for a couple reasons, one, offensively for the prosecutors they could provide incriminating evidence against trump because they are close to him and presumably talking to him about these subjects. two, you also want to do it from a defensive posture because you want to lock them in so they can't change their stories later to be more helpful towards the target, and also you want to preview whatever they want to say in case it is defensive. i know pence had previously made statements along the lines trump maybe got bad legal advice. you want to know that ahead of time if they're going to say that and lock in the version of it so it doesn't get worse for you as a prosecutor later. >> dana, paula reid was telling me that the trump camp's view of this is, yeah, it may be moving along and getting closer to the end here. their expectation, there's going to be a press conference at some point saying that trump behaved badly, but there is no evidence to indict.

is that the view you hear from trump camp as well? >> that's the wishful thinking from trump camp, no question about it, because it is so unprecedented that their hope is that he will fall on, frankly, some good luck like he has in so many of these horrible situations that he has put himself in. what is interesting about what paula said with regard to the immediate question about his former vice president, mike pence, and getting the subpoena in that there had been negotiations for a very long time between pence and his legal team and the special counsel, that they clearly just hit a wall. i'm told that this is something that the former vice president did not invite when it comes to a subpoena with eagerness. yes, they understood because

they understand how this works, that a subpoena would likely happen, if, in fact, these negotiations broke down, but the notion of sort of putting out there that mike pence is not eager to comply with the subpoena is very important politically because this is a man who is very, very actively considering another run in a republican party where they -- there is still a lot of support for his former boss who, of course, is also running. >> and it provides some sort of political cover to a certain extent, right, for the former vice president to say, well, you know, they subpoenaed me, i didn't go forth willingly. to dana's point -- sorry, dana, go ahead. >> in this case i think both things can be true. they hit a wall and it's better for him politically. >> absolutely. so when you look at that, though, shan, if the former vice president decides he does not want to comply with this

subpoena and then we end up in the courts, how long could that drag out? >> that could drag out for a while. i think legally he is on the losing end of that argument if he is trying to invoke executive privilege which seems to be the only thing he could invoke other than perhaps a fifth amendment issue, but it could drag out for a while. and to dana's point as well, i would say that not only is it politically smart for him to do this but legally i can see why as a former vice president and as a perhaps future presidential contender they want to stop this precedent from having a vice president actually subpoenaed. they would have rather have arranged, perhaps, a voluntary submission, but holding that aside, they don't want to look like he is to too eager to cooperate. legally speaking it would have been better if they arranged something voluntarily and avoided the subpoena, i think. >> shan, in your experience, you have handled your share of politically sensitive cases but

it's hard to think of a precedent for this. you have a former president now running for office who is under investigation here, they subpoenaed his former vice president who may also soon announce his own campaign for that office. how does the special counsel, how does an attorney general handle those political sensitivities going forward? >> honestly they shouldn't. they should just do as merrick garland always says he's going to, which is just to follow the facts and the law. and the best way for them to be apolitical in a situation like this is to not try to balance the political sensitivities. i think sometimes looking in from the outside i think garland has tried too hard to balance that, ends up making the justice department look political. he's given themselves some distance from it by appointing a special counsel and really for jack smith and for garland the best thing to do is to proceed as though this is any other case and not try to weigh the

political sensitivities. >> boy, it's a lot. no question. dana bash, shan wu, thanks so much to both of you. >> thank you. let's bring you to turkey now for an update there, the country's president calling the aftermath of that massive earthquake the disaster of the century. this morning he visited the provinces which have been hardest hit speaking with survivors at makeshift refugee camps. hundreds of thousands of people are now homeless. they are of course facing bitter cold, lack of proper sanitation, medical resources. the list goes on. >> genuine questions about the turkish president's leadership. syria's president bashar al assad took his own trip to a hospital in aleppo today visiting some of the wounded, nearly 80,000 people injured in the quake. nick paton walsh went to a field hospital to see how patients are being treated in desperate circumstances.

>> reporter: the monsignor of government much more in evidence as we saw outside one of the major hospitals here in antakya. the cleanup continuing, but it is so often now dead bodies they're retrieving, but at the helle pad we saw there are still it seems some extraordinary moments of relief through desperation. a 3-year-old girl on a stretcher along with her 2 month old sister we understood from rescuers being put on to a helicopter there, flown away from hospitals that are overstretched, also some intensely damaged and lacking in power to other parts of turkey for treatment. and then another series of ambulances, at times helicopters having to stop taking off, wait a bit longer so another ambulance could deliver its load on board. one helicopter we saw two infants, one stretcher brought up, we thought extraordinary how small the individual it seems to be, we realized there were two

infants on board being put on to the helicopter. but the desperation here beginning, i think, to mount as those living here look around and realize this rubble, the acrid smoke from fires burned to keep themselves warm often burning whatever they can find, chemicals, to keep themselves warm in this lack of heat is where their lives will be over the weeks and months ahead. that's the enormous challenge from government here amid the extraordinarily high fast rising death toll, the number of injured, the utter devastation around to provide some vague sense of direction or future in the weeks ahead. but for now i think people coming to terms with how the window for survival is likely closing. there are still startling moments in which people are pulled interest that wreckage, but how the load ahead is utterly dark and irredeemable. >> it's awful in that seen behind nick. we've been seeing it for days

and it is unbelievable. if you would like to help those impacted by the earthquake log on to cnn.com/impact. you will find there a list of vetted organizations working on the ground in both turkey and in syria. and new this morning, at least two people are dead including a child, another child in critical condition after a car rammed into people at a bus stop in jerusalem. >> cnn's hadas gold is in jerusalem live this hour. police initially i know said it was a ramming terror attack. is that still the way they're describing it at this hour? >> reporter: yes, erica, they are saying that this is a terror attack. this happened in a neighborhood northeast jerusalem. we know that a 6-year-old child was killed as well as a 20-year-old man in this attack and at least five others are injured including, as you noted, a child in critical condition. the suspect was actually killed pretty soon after he ran into this bus stop by what police say was an off-duty police officer.

police are telling me that the suspect is a man in his early 30s from east jerusalem, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has already called on the suspect's home to be sealed and demolished. this is something israeli authorities often do in response to these types of attacks. no group, no militant group has claimed responsibility although hamas has praised the attack. israeli police, authorities, have been on high alert. this has been a very deadly cycle of violence for both israeli and palestinians and this actually took place not far from that attack on the synagogue exactly two weeks ago. so people already on high alert and we're just not even a week out of secretary of state antony blinken's visit to this region. he kept senior staff on here to try to continue dialogue, but clearly a lot of work left to do. jim, erica? >> no question. the tensions there, the violence, alarmingly high. hadas gold, thanks so much. coming up next, the fbi has begun its investigation into the

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president biden now saying that balloon was a violation of international law, but not a major security breach. >> the total amount of intelligence gathering that's going on by every country around the world is overwhelming, and the idea that a balloon could traverse great american air space is -- anyway, it's not a major breach. >> joining us now cnn national security correspondent tasha bertrand. natasha, those words from the president, not a major breach, consistent with the pentagon, saying that this balloon had surveillance capabilities but not significantly greater than satellites that are flying over. we're learning new details about its capabilities. what are officials telling you about how seriously they're taking this? >> essentially what we're learning is that the balloon was capable of intercepting communications, right, it had the signals collection

capability, but officials also don't believe that that was all that sophisticated, especially because united states actually did take steps to try to prevent the balloon from being able to intercept any communications by, for example, avoiding unencrypted coms in the area of the balloon, so they believe that this balloon even though it had the ability to take photos in the form of 360-degree views that it was not able to see or hear very much. now, we are also learning that the u2 spy planes sent up were able to gather quite a bit of intelligence about what this balloon was capable of. that has informed a lot of what we've heard over the last day or so about what the spy balloon actually was able to do. the fbi which actually has the physical object, they have not been able to glean all that much because had a of it is actually still underwater. the payload, the mass of the electronic equipment, that is still being recovered. it remains to be seen what they can learn from the physical

object, but what they know about the balloon and the fact that it's part of this massive fleet that's, you know, covered over 40 countries across five continents, they are confident this was used for surveillance and not for weather. >> picking that thing up off the ocean floor will be a big step for investigators. thanks so much. joining us now "washington post" columnist josh rogin, the author of "chaos under emp: trump, xi, and the battle for the 21st century." first, if i can, to the sits of this. you do have two fundamentally different views, that this is an escalation both in terms of china's capabilities but also the willingness to challenge the u.s. on its soil and the other view as you heard from president biden that this is not a significant jump beyond what it and other countries already do. what's your view? >> right, well, it's very clear, jim, that the biden administration is working hard to down play this incident because they want to resume their previously pursued path of warming u.s./china relations and they want to get the visit back on track and they want to

minimize the impact of this crisis, but their statements deserve some scrutiny. for example, how can they say that xi jinping may have known. the other way to say that is he may have not known. in other words, they don't know. okay. we have to admit that we just don't know. in the end it doesn't matter because he is responsible for what his military does. the second thing that i find a little bit troubling with the biden administration's message frankly is that the message that, oh, we're pretty sure they didn't get anything good. as natasha expertly pointed out most of the thing is at the bottom of the ocean so how can they say that? the third thing that is problematic and this is where they've getting flak on the hill is they say they waited ten days to shoot it down so they could aid recovery efforts. they got the nylon but not the electronics. there is one part that you have to have a heavy grain of salt. >> before we -- one thing as you say they didn't want this thing falling on people's homes on the

soil and they were able to jam some of these capabilities but still an open question. i want to ask you about this initial assessment as described of xi's knowledge of this. xi has exercised more control over the people's liberation army as he has consolidated power in china, extended his term, president for life, et cetera. is it plausible to you that the pla would in effect defy the chinese president and do this as something of a freelance operation? >> no, it's much less likely that somebody went rogue in the chinese military. in that system that would mean jail or death or worse. it's possible that xi jinping is not tracking every balloon from his presidential conclave, but the bottom line is that he initiated this program, it's an expansive program, not just one balloon, it's dozens of balloons covering dozens of countries and five continents. there is a reason that he's doing that, because he is weaponizing near space. this is the important part. this is the part that we have to focus on after the crisis. it's above where the planes go

but below where the satellites go. that's a vulnerable space for us. we don't have a lot of good capabilities to deal with it. even if they're doing the same thing as the satellites, they're doing it at a different area. while we have a lot of stuff to deal with satellites, we don't have a lot of stuff to deal with balloons as we just found out and that's part of xi's plan to expand chinese military capabilities and spy on us and prepare for an invasion of taiwan that we can't thwart because if we put down the satellites they have have a bunch of balloons flying around. >> it does appear that the biden administration does not want to blow up u.s./china relations over this, but it was also our understanding that china wanted this summit with ab, ntony blin. they want to revive their economy post covid. what happens to that meeting? does it come to be? >> right. well, it just shows you how fragile this reset s the chinese have an interest in a reset, we have an interest in a reset, but nobody wants to blink, nobody wants to back down.

every little thing can have a dangerous telldell tore yus eff. if the relationship is so fragile that a balloon can injure it, you have to ask are there bigger problems in the relationship than balloons. diplomacy is good necessarily but there is no willingness on the chinese side to address the real concerns of the international community about behavior, the military expansion, the genocide, the internal repression, hong kong, taiwan, tibet, the uyghurs, all of it. i'm sure the chinese want a meeting, but they haven't shown any willingness to do the things that they would need to do to improve the atmosphere so that we could avoid the cold war and have peace and harmony in the 21st century. >> they have far bigger fish to fry from their perspective. josh rogin, thanks so much. >> anytime. just ahead, a cnn fact check. you've been hearing this week from president biden talking about some republicans who want social security and medicare

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a packed friday is capping a busy week for president biden, this morning he welcomes the nation's governors to the white house, later he will host brazil's president and first lady. >> all of this after tuesday's address to congress, the state of the union speech and a couple of days on the road forward campaign-style events. cnn's mj lee is live at the white house this morning. these two events today, governors, president of brazil,

what are we expecting, mj? >> reporter: shaping up to be a busy day here at the white house. the president will kick off the morning by hosting the nation's governors here at the white house, they are currently in d.c. for their annual washington meeting, and as the president sort of kicks off the second half of his first term this obviously gives him an opportunity to have a significant check in with the various leaders of the states across the country. we know that a big focus will obviously be on economic issues, particularly as this white house focuses on implementation of some of the bills that were signed into law over the last two years. what that means for funding for various states, covid of course is expected to be one of the topics just simply even given that the public health emergency is expected to go away in a few months and that have that will have a big impact on how different states, you know, deal with the covid pandemic that is ongoing. later in the day we will see the focus here at the white house

turn from these domestic priorities to foreign policy. the president is going to be hosting the president of brazil here at the white house and that is going to be a really interesting and fascinating meeting, especially if you consider the fact that these two leaders have really in so many ways have had to deal with similar dynamics over the last few years in their respective countries. you know, both countries have seen and dealt with the rise of political extremism, right wing populism and then sort of different protests and efforts to undermine election results and we saw this on such clear display a number of weeks ago in brazil when supporters of the ex-president of the country tried to storm major government buildings. that was such an echo of what we saw here in our own country of course on january 6th. u.s. officials are saying that those are the kinds of themes that they expect the two leaders to discuss at this bilateral

meeting. of course, president biden also would very much like to turn the chapter on the u.s./brazil relationship, obviously he didn't exactly have a close relationship with the former brazil president, jair bolsonaro. >> lots going on this week for the white house. mj lee, thanks so much. in his state of the union speech of course president biden's statement and the heckling that it triggered that some republicans want to get rid of social security and medicare has continued to be a major part of his messaging this week on the road. >> i know that a lot of republicans their dream is to cut social security and medicare. let me say this, if that's your dream, i'm your nightmare. >> so what are the facts here? let's bring in daniel day for a fact check.

that's based it seems on rick scott's memo talking about sun setting all federal programs here. what are the facts? how many republicans actually want or are open to cutting social security and medicare? >> jim, the answer is that we don't know exactly. so even before the republicans protested president biden's comments during that state of the union we know that speaker mccarthy had insisted that during this debt ceiling fight cuts to social security and medicare are off the table. other republicans had said the same. you still have a smattering saying we do need to deal with these programs and we know last year the republican study committee which is a group within the republican house caucus well over half of that caucus is part of the group, released and alternative budget that did include proposed cuts to medicare and social security. now, when it comes to senator scott's proposal i think president biden could be clearer that this sunset proposal, proposal to sunset all federal laws presumably including medicare and social security every five years is not a real part of the debt ceiling discussions and he could be clearer that this proposal got a very rough ride from mitch

mcconnell who dismissed it last year and dismiss it had this week saying that's rick scott's plan it's not our plan. on the other hand, guys, rick scott was a senior republican, he ran the senate republicans campaign arm, and he did introduce this proposal. when he keeps saying it's a lie, no, it's not, biden keeps reading from it and i think it is fair tore biden to mention that it exists. >> and to your point we are hearing this week of course from rick scott who has been pushing back on that. what more is he saying? >> senator scott is not only saying that biden is lying about his own plan, again, biden isn't, that sunset thing is real, but he is trying to turn the tables by claiming that biden himself cut $280 billion from medicare in last year's inflation reduction act. and that is just not true at all. that's a claim that was widely debunked by cnn and other outlets when scott made it last year. what the inflation reduction act

actually does is save the government and seniors money by reducing the amount of money that the government has to pay to pharmaceutical companies for prescription drugs. that is pure savings, is the not a benefit cut. i spoke to experts about this this week, a vanderbilt university professor said that framing this as a cut to benefits is, quote, nonsense, again, she is a vanderbilt professor. another expert at the kaiser family foundation told me that the congressional budget office said that prescription drug provisions in the law will reduce the federal deficit by $237 billion. this is savings to the federal government and medicare from lowering what medicare pays for prescription drugs. this is not the same thing as a $237 billion cut to medicare. so debunked last year and again this year. >> these are important policy debates, they are real debates. it would be nice to have them without outright lies, but that's where we are. daniel dale, thanks so much. >> also politics. good luck. coming up next, millions are

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book at the stadium. >> right, erica. sports betting has never been easier for more popular. this year 50.4 million americans are expected to wager on the super bowl. that's a 61% increase from a year ago and we're seeing this spike because in 2018 the supreme court legalized sports gambling and that's led to a wave of states to legalize it. 33 states have opened the door for sports books in their states. we're seeing all of these companies like draftkings and fanduel advertise on stadiums during the broadcast and then pro sports leagues like the nfl, like the nba which were once fiercely opposed to sports betting, they've jumped in, they see an opportunity here, and so you have state farm stadium in glendale it will be the first site of the super bowl to operate a sports book. >> when you look at this, i mean, there are some down sides, there are concerns, concerns about sports gambling addictions, right, concerns about the possibility of players or coaches getting involved in

this. what is the gambling industry, what are gambling regulators doing about that? >> right, jim, so there are some serious down sides to this boom in sports gambling. states have already reported an increase in calls to their gambling addiction hotline since the 2018 decision. about 2.2% of the country or 5.7 million americans already struggle with a sports gambling disorder. experts expect those numbers to increase as sports betting becomes more widespread. there are a few features of these apps that really concern folks, you can just bet in an instant and bet on just about anything happening during a game. who is going to score the next touchdown or get the next interception. so that increases the speed of these bets. and expect more states and the federal government to more closely regulate this industry in the coming years. >> nathaniel, thanks so much. all right. another part of the big business

of the super bowl some of the ads we're expecting on sunday are from companies driving that kind of betting. have a look. >> the short odds? >> you're both -- >> ludicrous. >> i heard kevin taking the under. >> the under? please. i ain't no undertaker. >> hey, i'm watching you like a hawk. >> tony hawk, like the bird? >> lots of big names from these online betting companies. you have gronk with fan actual dual as well. will he make the kick? this is probably the only game of the year where the commercial breaks get as much coverage as the game itself. janine is with us now, a senior editor for media and technology. so is there anything that you've seen ahead of the game, janine, that says to you, this is the ad that we are all going to be talking about monday morning? >> you know, there is a lot out there right now, there is a lot of celebrities and they are all filling up as you guys were talking about this sports

betting wagers that are going on. you can bet on everything, even the super bowl commercials. they will be working with draftkings so you can bet on many instances of things that might happen in their super bowl commercial. i think there will be a lot of fan interaction and i think those things will really drive conversation on game day. it's really about those realtime moments and what you will see, you know, happening during the game and how brands are conversing with each other and with consumers on social media as well. >> when you look at this, any other particulars that you think that people will be talking about on monday after the super bowl? >> yeah, so, you know, there is a lot of brands really leaning into nostalgia this year and bringing back, you know, movies and tv shows that people are very fond of. you will have rack u ten reviving "clueless" and alicia silver stone revising her role as cher. breaking bad and doing a spoof on that.

t-mobile and john travolta doing a grease spoof. you will have people, celebrities that consumers at home know and love. >> we were watching a bunch of them this morning and i have to say part of it made me feel like i've never been more out of touch with pop culture. thank goodness for the "grease" one because i could relate to that one. there was a great one from bud light that was relatable, it's the endless hold music. we have a little bit of that one we're going to play, too. ♪ ♪ >> that's awesome. >> we thank you for your wa patience. >> when we look at some of these commercials which are the ones that tend to do really well? is it typically the beer commercials, the chips commercials? i mean, i certainly remember some doritos ads from a year ago

that really had people talking. >> that bud light one i think is a great example of one that i think will stand out because it's so different than what bud light is used to doing in the past. more about slapstick humor, more in your face. this is much more subtle. there's that element of romance even in there that's so different than a traditional bud light ad. celebrities are always a big driver of interest. brands really lean into big names, household names that consumers know so help drive interest. i think those will do really well. i think there's also this trend around the use of the qr code. i don't know if you remember last year you saw the crypto coin base with that bouncing qr code, that's all it did, just bounced around on screen but it really got people's attention. it crashed coin bases site. you see brands lean into and use qr codes looking to build on that moment. avocados from mexico, michelob ultra, netflix, you will see qr

codes in their super bowl marketing and i think those will be interesting to watch. >> one thing we won't be seeing is a lot of that crypto advertising we saw last year. >> i was going to say, speaking of crypto. i couldn't help but smile a little bit as i saw those dance moves. that's going to be a fun commercial. janine, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. just ahead, yet another massive layoff coming from a tech company. this time impacting yahoo's advertising department. why is yahoo looking to eliminate a fifth of its staff? that's next. ost glucose control it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels anand contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and susupport muscle health. try boost® today.

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and now, joining a group of companies with major layoffs is yahoo! with a group of layoffs and overhauling the advertising division, and this is going to impact 1,600-plus people, but 20% is a really big number,

christine romans, but we have to put the tech layoffs in p persp perspective, because is this indicative of the larger market? >> this is the ad business that they are going to be streamlining and reorganizing essentially. so it is 1,000 people each week, and 1,600 by the end of the year, and this is what is happening at yahoo! and putting it in perspective since the other layoffs since the beginning of the year and it is 100,000 from tech and media and all of the big names. for a lot of the tech companies for yahoo it is reorganization, and for disney, it is a huge reorganization with bob iger coming back, and for many of the ceos they are saying, we got it wrong and we hired more people than we ever thought that we would need in the pandemic, and we thought that it would last longer than we thought, and they had to do a u-turn or course

correction, and what vi heard from the tech recruiters is that most of the people are finding jobs right away. >> so it is feeling terrible that you are laid off, but it is not that difficult to find -- >> and yahoo! is saying that they are aggressively finding other positions outside of the restructuring and finding some of the other people who are losing jobs into other parts of yahoo. >> so drill it down specifically in advertising, because that stood out to me this morning listening to you talk about this, chris teep, because i thought that adver ver -- christine, because advertising is key to so many businesses. >> yes, it is the canary in the coal mine so, this is where you can see the leading edges of the recession, and we have been watching it carefully, and filtering down to other kinds of business, and outside of tech and media, and we are seeing

tech that is poomibooming, and e seeing the jobs report that was blockbuster, but in the last few months you are seeing the hiring in hospitals, mines and warehouses and across the economy, you are seeing the awful lot of hiring in leisure and hospitality, and after a couple of years of not finding workers, they are raising wages and finding workers and less trouble finding workers and so we are heading into the new phase of the pandemic or recovery. >> i like that phase of hiring more people and making more money. >> and layoffs hurt, and for the people who lose their jobs, you hope it is dynamic enough market to find a new foothold. >> okay. those are the glimmers of hope, and i am going to cling to those on a friday.

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