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newsroom and good to have you with us, i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto, and soon former vice president pence could be answering questions, because he has been subpoenaed, and what the special council is wanting to learn from him and what it could mean in terms of executive privilege. and plus another major review in tennessee after the death of tyre nichols, and the shelby

county district attorney is expected to review all prior cases involving those five officers is charged for their role in nichols death, and what that could mean. and if the death toll continues to rise in turkey and syria and we are hearing of remarkable stories of survival and one girl survived after 107 hours under the rubble, and hope is understandably dimming in hopes of finding survivors as the crews continue their search there. we begin this hour with vice president pence who is under investigation in regard to former president trump, and so, in regard to this subpoena, what does the white house council want to know? >> well, this is coming in regards to the january 6th investigation, and he is also

doing the mar-a-lago investigation, and there are some document issues of his own in which pence was a witness, a victim, and he was the person that was in the oval office speaking directly to president donald trump at the time as trump and his supporters were trying to pressure pence to stop the certification of the election, and so there is a lot that he was witness to. so we are very likely to see him go into the grand jury and he has publicly written about them in the book, and what happened there and the deputies have testified about what happened there, and the big question now is how much does this special counsel investigation, and how much does the grand jury and the criminal case that they are building need to know about the direct conversations between donald trump and mike pence. the sort of answers that no one has really gotten to at this point and heard from pence in

this context under oath. and so, there is a very long windup to this point in time where mike pence is getting subpoenaed to come into the grand jury and to turn over documents. it is a monumental move from the special counsel right now. we know that jack smith, the special counsel is pushing from answers from a lot of people including top deputies of the vice president and pat cipollone and also pushing on documents from mar-a-lago, and going very close to donald trump and the white house, and now we were just reporting that robert o'brien the national security adviser has been asked to provide information, but with pence, this is after a long road of the special counsel's office wanting to get to the bottom and working around pence now going directly to him, and bringing him in as part of the criminal

investigation, and it is totally possible, jim and erica, that there is going to be a court fight that materializes out of this, and we will have to see what happens next, because there is a number of ways this could go. >> well, that is the strategy, stretch it out as long as possible. and now, we bring in our guess to help us understand the legal significance of this. norm, given the proximity to the vice president on that day, and what does the subpoena mean about the special counsel's interest in the vice president? >> well, jim, i don't think that the special counsel would be going to these length, the extraordinary and extremely unusual moment in american history of a criminal subpoena to a former vice president unless special counsel jack smith were very serious about

prosecuting donald trump. by no means can we guarantee that is what is happening, but clearly there is peril here principally under 15-usc that donald trump was attempting to interfere with a congressional function, the january 6 meeting of congress. there is no better trial witness for that than mike pence. that is what i think is happening here, and the special counsel is making a decision, is he is going to prosecute the president. >> and cnn is reporting that they had hit a wall here in terms of the negotiation, and as dana bash had said that he did not invite the subpoena with eagerness, and this is in some ways advantageous plitly for the former vice president to be issued a subpoena as opposed to going in voluntarily, and i say politically advantageous, because if he is contemplating a

2024 run, that covers a couple of bases in the republican party? >> yes, a couple of parties there on the hill who did support the committee, there is some frustration that former vice president pence did not speak out more about what happened with the conversations with trump at the time around january 6th, and if you can remember, the january 6th on the hill tried for several months to get pence to come to testify, and ultimately they could not reach an agreement with him, and they were talking right up to the end, and pence's book came out, and he has talked about it a little bit, and he came into details, so if he does want to run for president which he is alluding to, and criminal subpoena, and i went and obeyed the law, and that is what i was legally asked to do, and that is my obligation, and that could be told a lot different than i wanted to voluntarily do this and i went in to do this and it could work with various groups

within the party. >> norm, it is hard to imagine circumstances of this at any other time, but you have special coukcounsel subpoenaing someone is considering a run again, and a vice president who may soon announce he is running again for the same office, and how does the special counsel and the justice department navigate that incredibly sensitive territory? >> jim, i think that as a matter of prosecutorial ethics, they have to ignore it. the fundamental principle, and merrick garland has said, and jack smith's reputation is saying that no person is above the law in the united states of america, and so they need to take the political considerations of the primary calendar out of it, and they need to look at the facts, and they need to look at the evidence and that is why pence is being brought before the

grand jury, and then at the law. i believe that the facts and the law strongly make a case for the liability of donald trump. i don't think that executive privilege will bar mike pence's testimony here, including, because he has written about the incidents in his book, and the former president is at great peril of federal charges because of this indication. >> as we wait to see how this plays out, there is the question of whether or not he comply, right? and whether he complies with the subpoena. heather, is there a sense of -- give us the sense of what the talk is in washington of the news coming out last night in terms of whether the former vice president is going to fight this or whether he will comply. >> you know, that is a great question. i think that there are a lot of people wondering that themselves, and i checked in with the folks at the hill and

especially those involved very closely with the january 6th committee to see where the negotiations ended, and i believe that there is a sense while they were not in agreement with him to sit down, and they were not willing to issue their own subpoena as the committee was wrapping up, this feels much more serious, and that he is going to be taking it seriously, and there could be some legal fight, and normal lewded to it, he could claim executive privilege, but there are issues to that, and ultimately people up on the hill believe that he is going to try to comply in some way. >> we will be watching. >> we will indeed. these are remarkable times at each point though they may sound somewhat as you go along, and this is particularly big. we will stay on top of it, heather caygle and norm eisen. >> thank you. and this is also from the

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overnight, russia escalated the attacks the on ukraine, and the air raid sirens all over the country today as russia hit ukraine's already heavily-damaged infrastructure. >> officials in zaporizhzhia said that they were hit 17 times in less than an hour. that is a car that you are seeing there thrown on top of the roof there. david mackenzie is live in kyiv there, and david, this is one of the largest waves of attacks in weeks from russia as they are ramping up the renewed offensive. what are you seeing on the ground? >> erica and jim, this is definitely a significant tick up of the attack in terms of missiles, rocket strikes, drone strikes and attempted strikes. looking at the video of the ukrainian team released by the government shooting down a

russian missile overhead. it is going to show that there is some success by the ukrainian air defense systems in protecting large parts of the country including here in the capitol, and we had to go into the basement like many here in kyiv who were trying go about their business because they were attacked in the west and the south of the country, and attacking key civilian infrastructure where they were trying to knock out the power grid in the winter months. it has happened before, but it is a significant uptick. it is happening as there san increase in the shelling in the eastern part of the country certainly, say the ukrainian officials, and it might be the start of a wider offensive, but it is too early to tell now. and it is why president zelenskyy is asking throughout europe and the u.s. for more complex weapons systems,

including u.s. f-16 fighter jets, and also to the netherlands and the dutch for those systems, and they are keeping door open on that, but as of yet, no one has agreed yet to supply the f-16s to ukraine. jim and erica. >> they wait to see if that could change. david mckenzie, thank you. and you know, there are some newly unearthed comments from ron desantis, and comment that if he decided to make a run for the white house, and that is privatizing social security and medicare, and desantis' rivals say they will use those comments against him. so, what more did you find in terms of the comments when he was running for congress. >> yes, that is right. in the first campaign for congress, ron desantis

repeatedly expressed support for privatizing social security and medicare. this is when he was a tea party conservative and he had the backing of the top grass roots and even donald trump endorsed him, and basically the paul ryan plan that many of us remember was a huge political issue in this race. he very fully embraced this plan. you know, the government would basically subsidize for seniors either to go out to get a private plan or to have a traditional medicare plan, and the democrats called it a voucher, and republicans called it a premium support system, and it is basically the same thing. let's take a listen to what desantis said in one of those interviews. >> i would not change social security and medicare for the people on the program or near retirement at 55 and over, just because i think that there are settled expectations there, and there are proposals like paul

ryan and other people have offered that are going to, you know, provide some market forces in there and more consumer choice, and make so it that it is not just basically a system that is going to be bankrupt when you have new people coming into it. social security, you know, i would do the same thing. so ultimately in congress, he did vote for the resolutions that did just that privatize medicare and raised retirement age to 70. and so why are we talking about this? we saw joe biden in the state of the union address, and he has made it a huge issue, and donald trump has already basically signalled that he is going to attack him for this, and one of the things that donald trump did in 2015, 2016 is that he had moved away from the republican orthodoxy at the time is that we need to privatize these programs to make them sustainable in the

long term, and both people that i have talked to, and people in both parties, they think that it is a big deal should he run. when you in congress, you have a record, and you have votes, and this is not something that he talks about. we did reach out to his office, and we asked, you know, what is this current position on these program, because we are all talking about it, and they declined to comment for the article. >> declined, and we know this is interesting, because it is going to be such, and even if he does not run, it is a topic of conversation, because we know that the population of florida especially among the states, and social security and medicare are very important topic, and important that there is no comment whatsoever. we will hope for clarification. >> no comment, and people think that he will have to comment at some point, and wlede will have

wait to hear back. >> okay. thank you. and now, former commentator mia love, and "usa today" commentator joining us as well, and call it whatever you want, flip-flopping or whatever, but does it strike you that there is no comment from the governor's office or do you anticipate he is going to have to comment? >> oh, i anticipate he is going to have a comment on this, and one of the lessons we learned from the trump surprise victory is that the republican primary, and the republican base especially on the right side, they are tired of losing politically and culturacultural

they are going to have to stand up and fight, and so i don't -- i anticipate that this is going to be a good issue for him, and insolvency is right around the corner, and millennials and younger don't believe that they will see a penny of social security, and so what do we have to do when it is running out, and we have not fixed it? we have the ability to fix it, and if we can stop using it as a political weapon, we have the ability to fix it so that it is there for those when they need it, for americans when they need it. they have paid for it, and they can't go back to do it all over again. >> and kirsten, mia makes a great point there, and any honest folks in washington will speak honestly and say, insolvency in a number of years, and we have to do something about it, and this is what rick scott was at least raising in the document of sunsetting some

programs despite the protests since then, but it is a damned political issue to put out there to go back to 2000 and debates then, and is this going to be a major issue in the 2024 election? >> if he sticks to this position, yes, it is going to be. look, it is on video, and so it is a little hard for him to pretend it did not happen. people do evolve and change, and so it is interesting that he did not want to answer the question about it, and maybe he did not evolve, but he recognizes the political peril of doubling down on it. it is not a winning issue politically, and i think that there are ways to deal with medicare that don't involve privatizing it, which is what he is suggesting. so essentially throw everything, you know, into the market and not, and he talks about how the

free market should be handling this which is perilous, because it is not a guarantee. so what people like about medicare and what people like about social security which he also mentioned is that it is guaranteed and not dependent on what the markets are doing. so i don't think that solution is a solution that a lot of people are going to really find attractive. >> we know that president biden wants to keep this top of mind for folk, and it is very clear in his messaging since the state of the union speech, and one thing that struck me is that super bowl is sunday, and as we know, the tradition is that whatever network is hosting super bowl, they typically have an interview with whomever is president at that time ahead of the game, and now, the president has sat down with pbs and telemundo, but fox channel is telling cnn at this point, they have not had a formal no, but

they are operating as if the interview is not going to go on. would you suggest this? >> i am not an analyst, and i don't know who they could put forth who would do a serious interview. i think that in the past, it could have been a chris wallace or somebody like that, but i don't think that it -- well, where fox news is at this point, i'm not really sure where the upside is for it, because then he has to answer a bunch of questions about sort of conspiracy theories. so, if he decides he wants to do it, great, but if he decides that he does not want to do it, he is perfectly within his rights to do it, it is fine because of what fox has become. >> and is he missing the opportunity to connect with the

voters? >> yes. and i have taken this logic and idea with me in congress that leaders put themselves in uncomfortable situations and get themselves comfortable there. you have to go to where people may not necessarily want you, but they need the information and the message and what to do and how you are going to lead. i think it is a missed opportunity. for instance, when i watched state of the union, the humor that he brought in a little bit of the humor was a little endearing, and it was good, good for me to see. it gave me a better idea of what his thoughts are and where he is going, and gave me more information, so i think that it would be a bad idea not to do it. it shows courage. i think that it shows some tenacity and it shows that he is not afraid of his message or plan. he has a plan, and he is going to go anywhere to articulate it. i think that he really should do it. >> but do you think that he should do an interview with

newsmax? >> well, i can only speak from my experiences. i did as many interviews as i could because i can control what comes out of my mouth, and it is more important to show up than not to show up at all. >> there are journalists at fox who do cover the white house and this administration and not necessarily in the newsmax category. >> but, if they could come forward with somebody who is a report e and somebody who is reliable, and we don't know what they are offering, right, so that is the question, is like, who would do the interview and i do feel like even then they are under pressure. and look, i used to work at fox, and there is a time i would have said, yes, you absolutely should do that, but what they have become is something completely different, and so i think that

we have to leave for the possibility that we don't know who they are offering up. and so, i think that if -- i trust the biden administration to make the right decision here, because i don't think that he is afraid of having conversations with people who disagree with him. >> a question for the white house for sure. thank you, both. >> and now, we are live in south carolina as alex murdaugh's housekeeper takes the stand in his murder trial and what she says that maggie murdaugh told her the day that maggie murdaugh was murdered. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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prosecutors in memphis, tennessee, say they will review all prior cases connected to the five former officers now charged in the death of tyre nichols. both closed and pending. >> and now, shimon prokupiez is joining us. have they said how many cases this will involve here? >> well, you can assume it is in the dozens and dozens given the fact that they were with this unit for some time, and the mayor said that when this unit first started they made some 600 arrests, so you have to assume it is dozens and dozens of cases where these officers were involve and other officers that we don't know are under investigation by the memphis police department, and could potentially be terminated, but

anything associated with this unit or arrest is going to be falling within scrutiny by the justice system, and the clients who have been arrested here by this unit in memphis. so after some time, the district attorney announcing they will be reviewing cases specifically tied to these five officers, but it is no doubt, going to be growing as we learn more about these officers and other officers involved in the arrests and also on scene that day. >> the expanding investigation no doubt. shimon prokupiez, thank you very much. and right now, the housekeeper is on the stand in the alex murdaugh's double murder trial. these are live pictures from inside of the courthouse. >> moments ago, the testimony was that maggie had asked her and her son paul to come to the property where they were killed, and he had asked them to come

there on the day of the murder. randi kaye has been covering this from the beginning in walt walterboro, south carolina, and that is new. randi? >> yes, this housekeeper is now talking from the stand about basically doing the murdaugh's laundry, and this is critical, because she says when she got there on june 8th, the day of the murders on 2021, she found some of maggie's pajamas laid out on the floor at the washing machines and she had never seen that before, and this is important, because the prosecution has laid the groundwork to suggest that aleck murdaugh after killing his wife and son he had changed the clothes and wash up and changed into a t-shirt, and many of the witnesses said that he didn't have blood on him, and this is why that is key. before that, we have heard from

the lawyer of the beach family, and talking about the alleged financial crimes that he was involved in, and he was suing alex murdaugh, and he had a hearing coming up days after the murders to cause him to expose all of the financials and the schemes, and this is speaking to the motive that the prosecution is putting forward that he did not want all of this exposed. and then kris wilson, his best friend in fact, talked about speaking to aleck murdaugh on the phone around the time of the murders, and it is interesting what he said, because he described his demeanor, and then you have to wonder if it helped or hurt the state's case. listen. >> the phone rang, and it is alec alex and i answered phone. and hey, beau, and that is how he would greet you. and he said, hey, i have my hands right in the middle of the pool pump messing up, and can i

call you back. >> and did that sound normal? >> yes. >> and he said, fine, no problem. >> so as you have heard it there, chris wilson said he was sounding normal, and the state is laying ground work that perhaps he was making these calls to create an alibi, but the defense is going to jump on the fact that he sounded normal. there is some courtroom color or drama that the family is being reprimanded for the conduct and contact with surviving son buster murdaugh who made an obscene gesture to someone testifying on the stand, and with this gesture, they have been passing a book of john

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university of cincinnati staff. >> sudden cardiac arrest is not something i would have chosen to be the part of my story, but sometimes our visions are too small when we think that we are seeing the bigger vision. my vision was playing in the nfl and being the best player i could be, but god's plan was bigger. i have a long journey ahead, and journey of unknowns and a journey of milestones, but it is easier to face your fears when you know your purpose. >> what a great message and he looked great after all of that, and not just the on stage recognition, but the bills' trainer who performed cpr got a fifth-place vote for the mvp vote, and that is a story to tell the kids. >> yes, and meantime, a tradition all their own, the philadelphia fans are hoping to climb the lamp posts again, and the fkansas city chiefs' coach s

hoping to avenge his last lost in the super bowl. last night, the chiefs' quarterback patrick mahomes won the mvp, but it is not the boost you might expect. the sports anchor andy scholes is joining us from glendale. and so the last mvp to play in the super bowl, and how did they do? >> well, not well, guys. jim and erica, you would think that you win the mvp and the team is on a roll, and you will likely win the super bowl, but it has not gone that way in a long time. the last mvp to win the super bowl is curt warner way back in 1999. and we will show you a list. nine mvps have played in the super bowl and lost. so is it bad luck to win the mvp and then make it for the big game?

well, maybe so, but if anybody can snap this streak, it is patrick mahomes, and the second mvp award in his six seasons, and we have been speaking to the teammates all week about what makes him so special. >> no matter where you end up or how you get open or what space you fill, he can get it to you, whether it is underhand, no-look, crossbody, back across the field. >> he is a step ahead, and playing chess out there, and in terms of three or four moves in terms of the pocket in terms of what the defense does. you know, that is what you are going to see him be the greatest the go down. >> and the family most invested in this super bowl has to be the kelces with jason for the eagles, and travis for the chiefs, and i asked the dad, what is the secret to have your son to become a professional

athlete on top of being a massive individual, and he said, have them play hockey. there you go, get the footwork going, and play hockey. >> you know what my middle son just started? playing middle hockey. >> and you know who is going to be up early morning to get him to the rink? jim sciutto. >> already happening, man. andy scholes, i will report back to you in 12 years on that tip. >> we want guaranteed tickets for that super bowl, jim. >> sure, done. >> thank you, all, for joining us, i'm irerica hill. >> and i'm jim sciutto, and kate bolduan will join you after this break. and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with mererrill, a bank of f america company.

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