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evening. there has been a school shooting on the campus of michigan state university. one person is dead, we don't know who that person is. we don't know if it's a student there are multiple injuries reported by campus police and they've taken to a local area hospital. we are waiting a news briefing from the michigan state university police any moment now. it is supposed to start. we should be able to have many many questions answered if they are willing to share the information. the last we heard was the shooter had fled, the shooter was still on the loose and that police were still searching for the shooter. students are still barricaded in some classrooms and some dorm rooms and elsewhere on the campus. back with me now, shimon prokupecz, charles ramsey, sean tuner who happen to be on campus when they got this alerts. let me start with you.

what happened at a 15 tonight? >> yes, alison, around 8:15, maybe a little bit later, 18 we all, everyone on campus got an alert on our phone that really caught us off-guard. it indicated there was an active shooter on campus, shots were fired. notified us that the campus was going into a shelter in place status. that alert came out and for those of us who was leading the campus, i wish especially campus at this time. they got off campus and turned on the police scanner to find out what was going on. to be really candid, i mean, we expect back to this but be a situation where someone may be heard something and thought there were shots fired. and very quickly became clear that this was a real tragedy unfolding on campus. i immediately got home, i had people in my building on campus

that were working late. for most of us here on campus in a leadership position, we went to a motive trying to ensure that not only our students but our staff members, all of our employees were safe in the building they were and on campus. >> sean, let me stop. you the press conference is starting. let's listen. >> interim deputy chief chris -- [silence] >> okay. we've lost the audio of the press conference for a moment. we are working to get that back and reestablish that. let me go back to sean right now. sean, i interrupted you. we will go back to the this is a second. of course, do we hear this? not yet. you are saying your natural instinct as it always is --

oh, we had the sound back. >> shots fired and a shooting in multiple locations near campus. please understand that the information that we are sharing -- our priority right now is the safety of our students and our campus. the information or sharing may change, we are going to be as transparent as we can and share as much information as we can. the information may change as it's plum listener. this incident started this evening around 8:18 pm at berkey hall on campus. we received multiple 9-1-1 calls of a shooting inside berkey hall. numerous officers responded and we were quickly on scene within minutes. there we the low cage several

victims of a shooting the incident did move to a building in close proximity. the michigan state university union building. where there is another report of a shooting immediately following the first incident. police and emergency responders acted quickly, we tended to the victims at both of those scenes. there was an overwhelming law enforcement response to campus to help with this situation. i can confirm that there were at least five victims. all five victims were transported to the hospital. some of those victims do have life-threatening injuries. the suspect in this entire, we

believe there to be's one suspect was last seen leaving the msu union on foot of the north side of the building. we are receiving surveillance footage of that suspect that we will be releasing shortly. initial information is that the suspect is a blackmail, shorter and statue wearing red shoes, a jean jacket and a ball cap. we will follow up with additional descriptors of that suspect. community members on and off campus should remain sheltered in place. we immediately launched our emergency notification system and advise the entire msu campus to shelter in place as the suspect is still outstanding.

for people on campus, please do not come to campus. i can't say that enough. for parents, we understand, i can only imagine the emotion that's involved right now. it's going to help us and it's going to help our response. it's going to help us identify the shooter the less people that are on campus at this point. do not come to campus. we are doing everything we can to ensure the safety of our campus and all of our students. we currently have hundreds of police officers and law enforcement officials, state, local, federal on campus working in a coordinated effort to ensure the safety of campus and identify and apprehend the suspect. all campus activities will be

canceled for the next 48 hours, including sporting events, classes, and all campus related activities. please follow our twitter page for updates. we are sharing live updates at that location i. can't stress this enough, you're probably hearing a lot of information and misinformation right now from a social media, the scanner, calls that were receiving that are not accurate. we strongly encourage you to follow the accurate information source. we will continue to provide as many updates and accurate updates as we can. there has been false reports, false reports of additional shootings, there's been false reports of the suspect seen in numerous different locations, those reports are not accurate.

please follow us for accurate information. as i said, we are very early on in this investigation, it remains ongoing. we are going to continue to meet back here and provide updates on the hour. we wanted to provide as much accurate information as possible right now. we will continue to do that moving forward. information is very preliminary at this point, as i said. we are working very hard to gather that information, to accurately get it out to our community, to students, to parents, and to everybody who needs the information. please know that the safety and security of this campus and our students is our absolute priority at this point. we will be back here at

midnight for an additional update. we will push out some information including a photograph of the suspects that we've just obtained immediately following this briefing. thank you, we will see you back here in an hour. >> you are welcome to be here, this is a safe, place you can work, where you can use the space, i believe is a jack in here. we are working on getting some additional support as well. please know that you can -- >> we've just been listening there to the deputy chief of the michigan state university campus police named chris rozman. he just confirmed for us that, yes, indeed there has been a mass school shooting at michigan state university. there were different locations. we did know that, john, before that. there are multiple locations on

campus. one was at berkey hall, they found, they said multiple victims there. and then there was another one at the msu union building. a student union there. they had other reports of a shooting. they went there. there were victims in both of these scenes, five, at least five victims have been transported to the hospital. they do have life-threatening injuries. they've already confirmed that one person was killed. they believe the suspect left listed at -- the msu union building on foot. that's where he was last seen. they do have surveillance footage of the suspect, of course, it would be very helpful. they're going to release a photo. they said, very shortly after this. ball cap, red shoes, possibly blackmail, everyone needs to continue sheltering in place. if you're currently sheltering in place, a dorm, room a classroom, continue to do so. >> what they are encountering is, groups who are barricaded

in rooms are being found by police who are arranging to get them out. get them to a student staging area and then bring them to a place where they will be interviewed to see what they saw, what they might know. what they are also seeing, people south evacuating. the preferred method would be shelter in place where you are, even if you're locked in a classroom, reach out and contact the police and say, this is how many we are. this is the room we are in. who is coming to get, us how long do you think that's going to be? where you have a gunman who's not in custody, police swat teams and rescue task force moving through the building, it's better for that to be done in an organized way, where contact is made ahead of time. >> yes, i've done interviews with sandy hook victims who said that once you've been sheltering in place, you know there's been an active shooter, even when the police come to knock on the door, you're so petrified. i don't believe it's the police.

you don't even want to open the door. you can imagine the terror. >> and then there are people that are, you know these are the groups that are in classrooms. typically in these situations, you will find people in closets. you will find people in janitors rooms in hallways. they ran to ever they could run and close the door behind them. this will go on for a while. >> shawn turner is with us. sean, as we've said, you happened to be on campus. you are a professor there. as 18 you said you got this alerts that there is an active shooter. it's remarkable to hear how quickly they were to send out the alerts and how quickly police were able to respond. >> alison, i'll tell you, when the officer says that this was an overwhelming response, that is absolutely true. it was a matter of minutes before the campus was crawling with law enforcement. i do think there were a couple of really important things that the police officer said there. one of the things that happened here on campus is with regard

to the communication. as he, said there have been a lot of rumors and comments about what's happening on campus. many of those things have not been true. it's really important that people understand the. this is a very walkable campus. when this happened at berkey all, and then you had the suspect moved to the student union, and then leave the student union, what i can tell now in hindsight say is that as this suspect was on the move, where people, worrying as it, earlier we're seeing suspicious things, reporting that they were seeing suspicious things. that really got the campus all abuzz. people believe the shooter is moving around campus, that may have been true. it is good to at least know that all the reports that we're hearing about shots being fired, multiple locations around campus, it's good to at least have a confirmed that's not the case.

two locations, extremely unfortunate. to have one killed and five injured, a horrible day for msu. certainly, it could've been a lot worse. i just want to say one thing about this community. the michigan state university is a very tight-knit and very close community. most of the people in this community in around this campus, they have some affiliation with this campus. this really does tear through this community in ways that just aren't explainable. the msu spartans are very proud bunch. they're proud of the affiliations. this is really going to resonate with the community. and stick with this community and heard it for a long time. >> yes, every single one of these does. gentlemen, please stick around. we have a lot more questions for you. up, next we're going to speak to a student, and msu student, michigan state student who is there and can give us his take on everything that he heard and saw. we will be right back. for the first time the other day...and forgot where she was.

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breaking news. one person is dead, at least five have been seriously injured in a shooting tonight on the campus of michigan state university. joining us right now is gabe trudel, he is a freshman at michigan state. he was there for this entire incident. gabe, thank you so much for being here. where are you right now? >> yeah, i'm at west acre rates now. >> that's a dorm room? >> yes, on the campus. on the east side. >> as i understand, you are in the dorms taking a chemistry quiz when you got an alert from campus police and then what happened? >> yes, after i got that alert shortly after, i turned on the police radar in our area. about ten minutes after i did, that we got a report that the

shooter migrated over to an area block away from where i'm standing. that really scared us. we got the door barricaded. we were appearing through the windows trying to make sure that he wasn't going to come over toward us. it isn't the best in our situation but then five minutes after that they evacuated the entire building. the dining hall area. that's what i captured in that. the police coming over and just making sure that everybody was okay. >> i want to play that video. you took some cell phone video out of the window. let me ask you that operate now and play it for all of our viewers. what i see and it is, i think we see pictures. here it is. through the window, the students running. can you walk us through what

we're seeing? >> yes, they were told to get out of the dining hall area. they saw the shooter around there. they sprinted out in a line of police who came around and made sure everyone had their hands up. it was a terrifying scene. >> it looks terrifying. you can hear the students yelling. you can hear -- how many roommates are you with? >> i'm with two. one was actually in the dining hall. we were really scared. we didn't know where he was. yes, it was terrifying. >> had you found the remit? >> yes, since then, we came back. they evacuated him over to a parking garage. >> what did he say happened in the dining hall? >> i actually hadn't talk to him. he just got back. >> is he there with you? >> yeah.

>> can you ask, what can i ask him what happened in there when he had to run out. >> oh my god. >> yeah, for sure. >> what's his name? i don't know if he wants me to know the name. >> this is him here. >> my name is connor. >> what happened there, we see you all running out. >> yeah, i was in the cafeteria, which is on the second floor. i got a text from somebody saying that there had been a shooting. it was on the other side of campus. basically, we are in lockdown, everything was calm, everyone was listening to police reports. heard the shooter was getting closer to the location. still thought we were safe. we started barricading the doors at some point. we heard there were shots at --

the swats and that cop came in. they all told us to get out of the cafeteria. we stormed down the stairs. we had our hands up. and we had to go to the nearest bus stop. they shots got closer, we were stranded by a parking garage. >> are you hearing shots? >> personally, no. people were. >> that's terrifying, connor. how many kids were in there in the dining hall at that moment? >> 2 to 300 at. least >> i, mean what a scary situation every level. when the police, say okay, you guys have to run out of, here was that, you know, chaos? >> complete chaos. people are getting trampled, we had to go down once there. well it about one exit. it took a while. bigger people, stay safe. >> did you see anyone who is injured? >> i did not, thankfully. >> they took you -- did they take you someplace else before you're able to go back to the dorm? >> well, we are in outside owen

hall, across from east. we are in the air to ambulances. some cops and news stations were there. not giving any instruction when we are there till just a few months ago when i got back that we were told to go shelter in place at our dorms. >> so, how are you and your remains and gave a feeling and now at this hour? >> relieved. i'm feeling warm. i was praising my butt off out there. i am in shorts. i am just relieved, glad, that it didn't get any worse than it was. obviously, we are safe. >> i'm glad you feel that way. the gunman, as far as we know hasn't been arrested. >> no, i haven't heard anything about that either. obviously, it's scary. i am just glad that all of us are safe. all my friends are safe. i'm getting calls and text from family. >> i can imagine.

>> we even gave in your roommates feel safe because -- are you barricaded in your dorm right now? >> yeah, yeah. we have a couple things in front of the door, making sure say. >> oh, my gosh. any other instructions from campus police? what are you supposed to do now? >> shelter in place, that was the only instruction. i don't think we're supposed to leave our rooms. that's what i'm guessing. i was in a big crowd of people. they have come from the parking garage. i don't hear any instruction. the only instruction we got was at, the end they told us to go to our dorms and children place. >> when you scared walking back to your dorm? >> absolutely. really not many police. around once we did get back to the, dorm there is police doing body checks. they had achilles, a part of them down. >> wow, so many police are demanding the doors. >> yes, absolutely.

>> that's scary. have you all called your parents and made contact with your parents tonight? >> oh, yeah. my mom has been calling me every two or three minutes. making caramel right. >> i can imagine. so, i'm interested, you guys turned on, they were turned it on the police scanner. how do you know how to do that? >> i had gotten a link from an eye body. is i'm not sure how he got it. it shows how many, there are 150,000 people listening in. >> it's pretty popular. i'm not exactly sure. >> control, room do we have a picture of the suspect? we have that? i want to show this right now. i want to put up. this is the first picture of the suspect. look at the screen, where you can see are the red sneakers that they have talked about in the description, black pants, jeans, a jacket, obviously, that is a throw that off. it looks like he's wearing a

black mask. he's been described as a blackmail. it is that the gun? it appears to be. this looks like he's walking in to one of the buildings we don't know which of the buildings. there are multiple locations. so, everybody take a look at that. police, obviously need your help. connor, gabe, thank you both so much. really relieved that you guys are okay. have you heard of any students who are not okay? >> as far as i know, no. everyone i've talked, to all my buddies that go, here i haven't heard anybody that's injured or shot. i did hear, there are some fatalities and injuries. a lot of ambulances. speeding around campus. not personally, no, thankfully. >> yeah. well, thank goodness you guys are okay. thank you so much for sharing your story. we really appreciated. again, the news, tonight there has been a mass school shooting at michigan state university. as far as we know, one fatality leave, they've people injured are being treated, some with

life-threatening injuries at a local area hospital. we are waiting for another update from the campus police in half an hour. we've just spoken to two students who obviously are traumatized and are barricading themselves in the room. here's the suspect, police keep an eye out if you're in that area. call police immediately if you know anything. call 9-1-1. we're going to take a very quick break and come back with the latest.

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university. one person has been killed. at least five people are injured. some of those are life-threatening. they are at the emergency room at a local hospital. we do not know the identity of the person who's been. killed we don't know if it's a, students, faculty staff, we will hopefully get that information soon. back with me, shimon prokupecz and, jake i'm, shaun turner who happen to be on campus when the alert went out. john miller also joining us. okay, shimon, what is the latest reporting? >> i want to go back to the photo that we showed of the suspect. obviously that, is the key thing. to try to find this guy in the shoes in jean-jacques it and the baseball cap. what i think is interesting here is that it appears he's walking into this building here. so, we don't know what building this is. we don't know if this is berkey hall or union, the other building where this second incident occurred. the questions are going to be raised about how he got inside of that building.

obviously that's something that i wanted to flag. it appears he is walking in. i don't know where he goes from. here we don't have the luxury of asking the police right now. they say that his last known location was leaving that mou union hall. obviously, from what i'm hearing from friends who attended the school, the way this area, as he could be anywhere. we are talking about a very large area, a wooded area. there's a large community. obviously, the whereabouts of this gunman right now taken a lot of time. there's a lot to search there. the other thing that still going on, we are over three hours into this. police are still trying to get a lot of the students out of these rooms. there are still going door to door, trying to get many of these kids out, you're talking to some of, them a lot of these kids are still inside, stuck inside the classrooms, afraid

to open doors, they are not sure if it's the police. all of that is still very much ongoing. obviously, you can see the police here with this photo are trying to track this man's every move. so, far they've done a good job of finding some photo and video of him. i'm sure they're continuing to look through more to try to get a better idea on him. he's wearing items that should be pretty easily identifiable. that's going to help them. and then you can see the gun, the handgun in his right hand. that is going to be something that authorities are gonna keep working through. a lot more here for the police to do to try to find this man. >> yes, we expect another press report in 25 minutes. andy, let me come to you. i thought that first press conference they held was incredibly transparent. they just shared with us

everything they knew. they admitted they didn't know everything, they got the photo out immediately, the surveillance video immediately of the suspect. really good police work so far. doesn't mean that they're any closer to finding him necessarily. >> alison, it's a really good sign they are putting out what they have. they are being very transparent about the fact that they are still looking for this individual. they really need to take advantage of crowd sourcing the search for this person. that's what they're trying to do at the last press conference. getting that photograph out, getting the description out, getting the last known location as to where that person has been cited and where he might be going, very importance for the people who are still locked into these rooms and dorm rooms and classrooms on the michigan state university campus.

we keep an eye out as to where they might cite this person. call that into the authorities as to where they cited the person or someone similar to his description. so, i thought they were handling it as well as they could under the circumstances, they are in a tough spot right now trying to find this guy who is a presumed mass shooter. very little details to work with. they are doing what they can, trying to take advantage of the greater university community to try to locate him. >> yes, let's remember, he cannot lose that denim jacket and change his outfit. they don't always do that, amazingly. john miller, you say that they also want to rewind the tape.

they want to figure out where he went from here and where he was before this. >> what you see here is a couple indicators of plea presenting. he's got to be at. he's got the mask. he's got this big jacket. one would argue when you put this picture out, his own mother wouldn't know. that's not really true. people who are familiar with this individual would say, oh, i know those red shoes, i know that barn jacket. i know that jacket and had together and that's my friend george or something. so, that's a baseline. picture is worth 1000 words. what do you want to do with this thread, pull it forward. continue the canvas going forward to see what you capture, is there a better, shot is there better light from a different source, a different camera? you also want to pull that threat backwards. you want to see, all right, what is the camera he might've had to pass in either direction? check the first, one if you don't see it there, check the

second one. go backwards. you want to get that moment where before he put the mask on, before he put the hat on, if there is a clear shot of what he really looks like, all of that's going on right now. we can probably hope for a better image as they expand the video canvas. i agree with you, i take my hat off to them before going with the image they got. which gives the public a baseline for, okay, this is what i'm looking for right now. >> friends, we have disturbing update right now. this is coming from the michigan state university police. they now confirmed there has been three fatalities. the death toll has gone up from this mass shooting on michigan state university's campus. three people have been killed now. five victims as we know, we heard it at the last press conference are hospitalized. we believe there are still five victims hospitalized. the deputy chief says those

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>> we are back with more breaking news. police say a suspect is on the loose, after a mass shooting at

michigan state university. campus police now confirmed there are three people killed. five people are wounded at the hospital, some with life-threatening injuries. so, the death toll has gone up. back with me now, shimon prokupecz, john miller, and john berman. john berman, you know, i think tomorrow is the five year anniversary of parkland, the school shooting that you and i both covered. we've covered many of these. i don't know what to say about that. i'm all out of wisdom about that. but do you know, i just remember the intensity of that, and here we are again. >> look, every other day, or every other week, it's the anniversary at this point of another mass shooting, which is not to diminish, i think, the pain or the heartache or the concern that exists in east lansing right now. what makes this different and so many of the mass shootings we cover is that generally, it is, it seems as if the shooter is either killed or caught right away. i was just trying to think of the most recent mass shootings that we have covered and that

we've done where the suspect was on the loose. and it was a man hunt. one of them was highland park in illinois, the fourth of july shooting, we are to control that night to apprehend that suspect. but then, the other one that might be the most pertinent, and we have an expert on it right here with us on set, is the subway shooting here in new york city last april. no one was killed. but the shooting, it wasn't a mass shooting in a subway car where the suspect got away. and then, by the release of the video and piecing together the evidence, they were able to catch that suspect relatively quickly. >> and at the time, i was running the intelligence counterterrorism bureaus when that shooting happened. and we had a decision to make which was, we have got a very early lead on a name. and a tip from a rental car place, a run truck place in pennsylvania. so we knew he were looking for. we are trying to close that gap.

but the moment of truth came when we said we have the picture. if we put the picture out, he knows we know who he is. and you know, we are closing that. but the decision that we made was the same that these police officers made. it's great to have 3000 detectives looking for him. but if you can have 8 million detectives in new york city, among the populace of the city, all looking for them at the same time, that kind of crowd sourcing's of infinite value. and they made that decision right away. >> it is the information you get manageable. the number of calls that come in, can you sift through them to get the ones that are most important quickly enough? >> i mean, we could. we have hundreds of 9-1-1 operators. in a case like this, they may have to build out a call center. we've seen in recent cases, even in the murder of the students, the college students out west where they funnel the tip lying to the fbi's call center where they could handle the volume. and put it into a lead tracking system.

and right now, you have the fbi on the scene, with their swat team, in case it's needed. but also, with their victim witness assistance people, whether technical people, phone tracking people, all the support people that they can bring to this, if they are needed. so, these are gonna be decisions that they're gonna have to make early on in this investigation because once they have this picture out, the calls are already flooding in. once they get a bit better picture out. and i anticipate, if they expand the video canvas, they will get a better image that she was more of that face. they will get even more calls. >> yes, indeed. simone, to that point, i know there are no guarantees. but the fact that they've this so quickly, and have such a good shot, still framed from the video. this guy is not long for freedom. i mean i assume they have surveillance video all over campus. you know, they probably don't know where he went next. >> right, they probably do. and so, you know, whether he had a car, which we don't know

yet, that's something that they will release later, as they try to put together a sort of footprint where he is. the other significant, it appears he used a handgun here. so, that's gonna be certainly significant. sadly, so many of the mass shootings we have covered certainly at schools involved, you know, ar style weapons. you know, you think of the uvalde, which is obviously i most recently covered, there was that kind of weapon. and also, just the way that police have responded here, and the way that the police have released information here, should be applauded because you know, listening to how the police are responding was coordinated. it was sophisticated. they all knew what they needed to do. they all work together. they went into teams almost immediately. and this is what they're supposed to do, try and go find victims, try and find the gunman. so, clearly, it's gonna be a very busy night there as they continue to search for this gunman.

>> okay. we are waiting another press conference out of michigan. michigan state campus police there, you could see what looks like students. yes, the aftermath of this shooting there. we are gonna take a very quick break. we'll be right back. densify from crest pro health.

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out of the dining hall. one student that we spoke to earlier described it as chaos. let's bring in former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe, who has been following this with us all night. andy, what are the fbi and swat teams doing at this hour? >> there is a massive amount of work that needs to be done right now, alison, on this scene. and that is in terms of clearing every single individual room that might be implicated in all of these buildings. so, you know, if you are running this scene, you are looking for tactical teams, whether it's from the fbi, or atf, or state and local police, anybody who's got folks willing to contribute to the action. and you are gonna send them into discrete parts of these buildings to clear these rooms, make sure that you don't have that armed shooter still kind of lurking inside at classrooms, or in dorm rooms, or holding

people hostage, that sort of thing. so, there's still very much in the tactical part of clearing this situation. and that might go on for quite some time. so, we'll probably need to buckle in and be prepared to kind of watch this for the next few hours. >> and we are gonna be doing that. andrew mccabe, thank you very much. our breaking news is going to continue with john berman, in just a moment.

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