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just weeks after being transferred to harbor solitary confinement in a penal colony near moscow one of vladimir putin's top critics is still marking valentine's day and alexei navalny celebrated his wife and reads in part i haven't seen you for a terribly long time but in my heart there's a lot of you, sometimes i'm surprised myself at how a normal human heart can hold so much of my enormous love for you. she posted an emoji of a broken heart. he is expected to send six months in solitary. this is all part of a nine-year sentence that he is serving for what the kremlin says is fraud. navalny, of course, survived a poisoning attempt but putin's hershman nearly three years ago, the last time he saw yulia.
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"a.c. 360" starts now. the mass shooting at marjory stoneman douglas, 17 young people murdered five years ago in parkland, florida. today parkland is back in the news but not as an example of how far we've come in making such massacres a thing of the past. instead it's a reminder that the sister and brotherhood of mass shooting victims, survivors and bereferred is always growing. the families and loved ones of three michigan state university joined that number. it was neither the first nor the 61st such killing this year. according to the gun violence archive it was the 67th. 67 shootings with four or more people shot or killed. the number 68 happened today with four wounded outside a high school in pittsburgh. before we talk about the larger story, though, here's what we know about those who were killed in michigan.
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alexandria verner was inary junior year and came from the small town of clawson. her high school principal said she was an excellent student and played three sports. he says her kindness was on display every second you were around her. she was, he says, everything you'd want your daughter or friend to be. brian fraser was a sophomore from the detroit suburb of grosse pointe. he was a member of phi delta theta fraternity. his sister tells "the detroit free press" their family isn't ready to speak but doesn't want her brother's name forgotten. a light in their lives. arielle anderson was from the same school system as brian fraser and her family tells us she was kind and loving, caring, compassionate and driven. more now on the shootings from
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cnn's adrienne broaddus. >> multiple ambulances. >> reporter: the gunman first opened fire on the campus monday, just before 8:30 p.m. >> oh, my god. >> there's still people down there trying to get out. >> reporter: shooting at two locations, the first inside a classroom at berkey hall. >> while the officers were managing that scene at berkey hall, we began receiving additional reports of another shooting at the msu union building. >> i'm coming down stairwell 13 about seven people. >> reporter: new video show students hiding in a classroom. reacting to a knock while on the phone with police. >> they said don't open the door. >> reporter: one witness says his fight or flight response kicked in. >> i looked to the far side of the class and ducked down and he came in and shot three or four times in our classroom.
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>> reporter: police released a photo of the suspect. taken from campus security cameras and a caller's tip sent them to lansing, michigan. >> it's going to be a suspect wearing red shoes an a backpack. >> reporter: the search ended just before midnight. >> 2349. subject down. >> reporter: police said the gunman shot himself with a confrontation withly and died. >> we have no idea what the whoa tiff is. we can confirm that the 43-year-old suspect had no affiliation to the university. he was not a student, faculty, staff, current or previous. >> reporter: according to police, they are now investigating a two-page note found in the gunman's backpack saying he is, quote, going to finish off lancing and there are 20 of him who will carry out shootings according to a source familiar with the investigation. law enforcement now investigating a local residence where the gunman's father says
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he lived with him and two weapons, the shooter purchased two handguns in michigan in 2021. a law enforcement source tells cnn -- >> we do have one weapon. >> reporter: the gunman had been arrested before. he was released from probation in may of 2021 after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor for possession of a loaded firearm. msu students now dealing with what's next after spending hours hiding from a gunman. >> we took heavy furniture from around the library and just essentially barricaded ourselves into a study room to make sure we were safe. >> i was like shaking in the bathroom and it was just terrible. just like preparing myself for the worst thing ever. >> reporter: despite the tough circumstances, there's one greeting among msu spartans that still unites them. go, green. you guys smiled instantly. as horrible and disgusting and tragic as that was we are all in
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it together and everyone was here for each other. >> adrienne joins us from the campus. we should point out the greeting from the end of your piece you're actually an alum of msu. what more are you learning about the shooter's background? >> reporter: yeah, that greeting, anderson, is something every freshman learned during orientation. four words that connect people and behind us, you'll see the rock. this is where students come to address their concerns and complaints and on the rock it says how many more? that's the question students are asking tonight as they learn more about that 43-year-old shooter. he spoke, the shooter's father, that is, spoke with cnn and his father told us that his son changed over the last two years following the death of his mother, who died following complications from a stroke. the father told us his son became bitter, isolated and angry.
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he also says his son struggled with mental health issues. anderson. >> adrienne, thank you. new asal nis from "the washington post" finds more than 338,000 kids in this country have been exposed to shootings at some point from kindergarten through 12th grade since 1999. 338,000. we're joined by cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew, obviously still a lot we don't know about this latest shooter's motivation. we do know he pleaded guilty to a firearm charge back in 2019. one source says he purchased two weapons in the state of michigan in 2021. does it strike you as odd he was able to make that present? >> yes, we don't have quite enough facts to sort through this perfectly but what i can tell you, on the federal level, his firearms conviction for a misdemeanor would not have prohibited him from purchasing a firearm. the disqualifier in the brady act is having been convicted of
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a felony and he was initially arrested for a felony but later pled that down to a misdemeanor. so that wouldn't have stopped him. the question is whether or not he violated any michigan state laws. there is a requirement for anyone purchasing a pistol in michigan to have a pistol purchase or purchase license issued by your local sheriff or some other official and it's not perfectly clear to me whether or not that misdemeanor conviction would have disqualified him on that grounds. >> the shooter had a rambling note in his backpack that referenced other mass shootings, one in new jersey and quote there were 20 of him. often these shooters have studied other mass shootings or they look up to other mass shooters or disturbed and are sort of drawn to this. >> there is no question about that, anderson. we've seen it time and time again. the fact is that among this
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community of mass shooters, you oftentimes see they conduct like assiduous research and look at other shooters' tactics and techniques. sometimes they copy each other's manifestos. you've seen the christchurch shooter, mass shooter in new zealand had served as kind of an inspiration for many particularly racially motivated mass shooters. we saw his words echoed by the el paso shooter. it goes on and on and on. of course, dylan klebold have been discussed inspiration ever since. they feed off of each other's infamy. >> the msu campus, it's like 5300 acres. there's 400 buildings. a college campus like that, really any college campus is a very difficult area to secure, something that large.
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>> it's basically impossible to secure something that large against the instance of a mass shooter. you'd have to essentially turn the entire place into what amounts to a prison. a locked down kind of closed off area which is not, you know, not some conditions we'd ever want to subject our college students to. the fact is, if someone decides to arm themselves and go and commit a mass shooting, you're behind the curve as law enforcement. the law enforcement response last night appears to have been textbook by just about every measure and yet they always arrive after the shooting has taken place. it is almost impossible unless you just happen to be in the room that the mass shooter chooses to enter it's almost impossible for law enforcement to be there soon enough to stop the killing? >> yeah, andrew mccabe, i appreciate talking to you, though. i wish we didn't have to under the circumstances. breaking news in the
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mar-a-lago documents case. the federal prosecutors are asking a court to compel one of the former president's lawyers, evan corcoran to talk in spite of attorney/client privilege. their argument the former president might have used him in furtherance of a crime which would negate the attorney/client privilege. we have more now. >> so, what are prosecutors asking for here exactly. >> basic think they want to talk to evan corcoran again, one of trump's top attorneys and spoken to the grand jury and did so for four hours recently, i'm told, in addition to two other trump attorneys but want to speak to him again and have a motion to compel further testimony from him and the reason it matters they are trying to overcome that shield of attorney/client privilege, which he did use, we are told, in the last time that he met with the grand jury. they're trying to overcome that and so what they are alleging, prosecutors in writing to this judge is that they believe that the former president has used his attorney, evan corcoran, in
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furtherance of a crime or fraud. that is this crime/fraud exception that would allow them to overcome the attorney/client privilege and basically force him to answer questions that typically he wouldn't have to. but we should note, look, we don't know how this is going to end up. it will go to a judge. they have to make a decision based on the merits here. >> ellie, so a judge has to decide whether a crime was actually committed? >> exactly, anderson, so prosecutors here bear the burden of going to a judge and trying to pierce or get through the attorney/client privilege. one of the ways you can do that, if you convince a judge that the communications at issue had something to do with furthering an ongoing crime. the standard is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. that's what you need to prove to a jury in order to get a conviction. here you have to prove to a budge by a preponderance of the evidence more likely than not essentially that you have evidence that the evidence we're talking about here went to an ongoing crime. it's fairly rare for prosecutors to use this exception, this
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crime fraud exception, and it's not assured as you say that they'll win but tells me the prosecutors are squarely focused on this obstruction of justice issue. >> kaitlan, is it clear what questions spurred the attorney to invoke attorney/client privilege? >> it's not totally clear. evan corcoran has been kind of one of the top attorneys on this for months now. he was there, he was one who drafted that letter that they gave to the justice department back in june, i believe, that wasn't signed by him but helped write it saying they conducted a diligent search of mar-a-lago and there were no more classified documents where they looked. obviously that wasn't the case because the fbi found a lot more but he didn't put his actual name on that. one of the other attorneys put her name on that, so it remains to be seen but obviously that could be a possibility of why they want to speak to him but this is a really aggressive move. maybe one of the most aggressive we have seen from the special counsel jack smith overseeing this investigation. >> elie, what does it tell you
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that they are going down this route and do you agree with kaitlan, this is the most aggressive thing we've seen so far from them? >> absolutely. it is rare that prosecutors do this and shows they mean business and shows me, anderson, that these prosecutors are focused intensely on obstruction of justice and maybe even more so than any criminal issues that may relate to the actual mishandling. the documents. let's remember, when the fbi and justice department got that search warrant to go into mar-a-lago last august, one of the crimes that they allege they had proof of probable cause of was obstruction of justice so they went to a federal judge already and showed that they had probable cause of obstruction of justice, also let's keep in mind the biggest different enshater between the trump document scenario on the one hand and biden and pence documents on the other appears to be that obstruction of justice and now they're going to a judge and saying you should let us break through the attorney/client privilege which is sake because we think the communications had to do with an ongoing crime,
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it's pretty rare. >> this has to do with the classified documents side of the federal investigation? >> yeah, the special counsel is looking into both but this is specifically about the classified documents. and we don't know how this will end with the judge. that's an important part. that is going to be the next question here of how they handle that because evan corcoran did go before them for four hours and answered some questions and told he invoked the attorney/client privilege but big questions about what they need to know that they believe they can't know because of attorney/client privilege. >> kaitlan collins and elie honig, thanks. nikki haley attracted trump when he ran for president then embraced him and then said she wouldn't run and now she's the first republican opponent. we'll show you how she's positioning herself in what might be crowded competition. dr. sanjay gupta in turkey
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for president. >> perspective from her supporter and audie cornish and stuart steiffens, 2012 campaign adviser to mitt romney and author of "it was all a lie: how the republican party beat donald trump." what's your assessment of her first day as a presidential candidate and what do you see as her lane? now an opponent of the former president, not long ago they were allies and pledging to not run if he did? >> sure, and, you know, as i told someone earlier, she has the ability to change her mind and she did and we encouraged her to do that. i think the lane we're seeing right now is a little excitement we saw when there was marco rubio, nikki haley and tim scott running against donald trump in south carolina. it wasn't, donald trump won. overwhelmingly became the president then lost the presidency so i think the lane that nikki haley is the of the
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next generation stepping up. both presidents really. obviously joe biden is considering running again so we're excited about it. the bad part about this is i'm hearing the same stuff i've been hearing for years as a party chairman out of reporters today, anderson. i mean, do you think america is ready for a woman female president? do you think americans will vote for an immigrant president? these sort of lines that i get, you know, are sad and disappointing but is there a double standard here? we'll find out. i think the first female president of the united states will be a woman republican. whether it's nikki haley or not, i'm not sure but i'm excited about our chances, i'm excited about what she's doing and how hard she's working to put the campaign on the right track. >> audie, what do you see as her
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link. if tim scott and governor desantis enters the race and obviously there are others, pompeo, bolton, i mean, it could be quite a crowded field. >> i mean, having reported out of south carolina in the kind of primary periods, it's a very important state. it checks a lot of boxes in terms of constituency and to the earlier point made, maybe the lane has widened for a haley or tim scott. there was a congresswoman nancy mayes now in office that has spoken very much against trump on january 6th and some other things and is trying to carve out a space for someone who is not a hard-core trumpist and i think nikki haley is looking at that atmosphere and thinking maybe the support has softened a little bit and you can hear her key argument is generational change. it's not that trump was bad or the former administration did bad things. it's just that it's kind of time which is her way of kind of
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politely saying that was great but let's move on. >> yeah, stuart, you wrote a piece in "the new york times," the title, "nikki haley threw it all away." no political figure better illustrates the tragic collapse of the modern republican party than nikki haley. can you talk a little about what you meant because obviously the pushback that she's a woman of color, former governor, former diplomat and could be what the modern gop needs. >> well, look, i'd love to take that moment that the chairman was referring to with her and tim scott and marco rubio and go back to that moment and i wish that when they were out there speaking the stuart about donald trump they stuck with that truth. you know, nikki haley went out and said that donald trump was everything she taught her kindergarten kids not to be. and you can't really take that back. that's not a disagreement on policy. it's not like saying, well, i think the capital gains tax ought to be this or that. that's a fundamental character assessment of someone who actually -- she proved to be probably a little more
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optimistic about donald trump than he turned out. so i just wish that nikki haley had stayed that person. i think that her sort of collapse on this embodies what happened to the republican party and just don't think that generational change means anything if you're still supporting donald trump and all of these people say they'll support donald trump if he's the nominee. >> katon, she was tough against trump when she was supporting rubio when he was running for president. >> you know, guys, i do campaigns, elections for a living. you know, and it's not humorous to me but these are campaigns for offices, whether it be governor or the presidency and they ebb and they flow. i understand character integrity is important but if you want to read the polls they're about number eight or nine in the business i'm in. looking for the future and looking through the front of the window and not the rearview mirror is what the electorate is
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looking for? audie, do you see an advantage for her jumping ahead or in the long run does that matter? >> i don't know if it matters in the long run. to the point earlier about character and there have been so many people who said things about donald trump who ended up firmly in his corner. just ask ted, you know, senator cruz what it's like to speak against trump. so that doesn't matter. it's sort of the loyalty you reveal since. that's what matters to trumpists and to trump himself. the biggest question, who is the constituency for this particular candidate? because it is not clear yet who that constituency is out of a primary election. maybe the genevieve an idea. but in a primary we have not seen evidence that there is support for a candidate, a front-runner-trump candidate that doesn't end up splitting a bunch of votes. that's what is going to make this primary season kind of so interesting to watch because it's nothing less than what is the future of the party without
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trump. >> stuart, do you think haley has a shot? >> sure, she's got a shot. but, look, you know, this conversation kind of makes my head explode because we're talking about politics as if there's some sort of normal moment and as if the last president of the united states didn't attempt to end the peaceful transference of power. we are in uncharted waters here. the official position of the republican party is joe biden is not a legally elected president and a fair election which means he's an occupier of the oval office. this is not a normal time. and democracy is on the ballot. and, look, i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in the democratic party but one thing about the democratic party, it is still believing that there is a democratic process in america and we have a democratic elected president. and until the republican party comes along with that, i just don't think it's about ideology or anything else. it's about whether or not you believe in american democracy and will you do what it takes to
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sustain it. >> stuart stevens, audie cornish and katon dawson, thank you. next dr. sanjay gupta in the busiest hospital in turkey's quake zone. that's n next. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools, and paper tring to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on p of the market from wherever you are. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities.
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another extraordinary rescue we want to share with you tonight more than a week after the devastating earthquake hit turkey and syria. a 30-year-old was pulled out in hatay. this is according to cnn's turkish affiliate. it was a ukrainian rescue team working with turkey who got her which is pretty merchandise considering the devastation going on in ukraine right now. ukraine has sent 87 emergency rescue staff to turkey. the death toll from the earthquake has now surpassed 41,000 people. turkey says more than 13,000 people are still hospitalized. cnn dr. sanjay gupta joins us from turkey. incredible that they're still finding people alive after so long. >> reporter: it really is extraordinary, anderson, and, you know, as dire as the numbers are and the situation is, as you well know, and we've been to these places together, people
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rise up and they take care of people in extraordinary ways. i mean, i was at a hospital where really since the earthquake people have not stopped working, operating rooms have been running constantly. what has happened so many hospitals in the quake zone were damaged. some of them rendered unoperational. the largest trauma center has been taking on a large percentage of the patients, some 5,000 patients alone within this trauma center and how they've been able to do it and how any all sort of came together was something they wanted to show us today. take a look. ♪ time is the great equalizer in hospitals in turkey. there isn't enough of it in adanya city at the teaching and research center. >> they come in with fractures. what sort of injuries? >> yeah, patients consist of limb loss, tissue crushes, tissue lost and brain trauma.
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>> reporter: this doctor is chief of staff here. within minutes his trauma team is paged again. another helicopter is arriving. >> we're now talking with the chief of staff of the hospital to the helipad. he tells me they've had 5,000 patients that have come here over the last seven days. orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons have been operating for seven days straight basically. this is the largest trauma hospital in the quake zone. >> reporter: the doctors move fast. the goal to care for this 26-year-old woman. her kidneys are failing from something known as crush syndrome. too many toxins were released into her blood after her limb was freed. she will need emergent kidney dialysis. over and over again, patients from the quake zone finally thankfully making it here for help. in one with the most remarkable story i have heard. this beautiful family of five
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felt the earth shake and then watched the unthinkable happen. >> translator: our block of flats is seven stories high. >> reporter: they could do nothing watch as this 8-month-old was hurtled from the window five stories to the ground and look what happened to hair building. just flattened. somehow she survived after being trapped for 14 hours and began to dig and scrape through the rubble for any sign, any sign at all that her baby girl was still alive. >> translator: and at that point, the fifth day we thought we would be seeing her lifeless body. >> reporter: but then something astonishing happened. someone showed them this post on twitter. at first they weren't sure. but this baby girl looked very much like her daughter. >> translator: you see, we had no idea she had been saved. >> reporter: in the chaos a good
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samaritan rescued the girl and she was flown here, broken and battered. left leg shattered. skull fractured. a small collection of blood on her brain, but, yes, very much alive. such an incredible story, anderson, i mean, just think about that building that you saw there. she was asleep in a cot next to that window. had she been in that cot, still in that cot she would have most likely died just by what had happened to that building. instead she was thrown out of the building and survived. as you saw there. >> that's incredible. >> reporter: i just saw her, she's doing well. >> unbelievable. you mentioned the crush injury and i had never really understood that before. someone can actually survive and then get, you said platelets in the blood are released when they're no longer being crushed and that can harm somebody? >> reporter: yes, so what
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happens is if someone has in this case an arm that's sort of pinned, the muscle in the part of the arm that is pinned can actually start to release these toxins. they're sort of contained because the arm is pinned but the problem is as soon as you take, you know, as soon as you release the arm all those toxins can now get into the bloodstream and cause problems with other organs including the kidney. in haiti you may remember, anderson, sometimes they would find somebody who was still alive but before they would unpin them they would start ivs and give fluids to try to prevent that problem from happening. they're doing the same thing here, giving ivs in the told to try to prevent that. the woman had that done but will also need dialysis to make sure her kidneys recover. >> you and i spent more than a month i think in haiti after the earthquake there. obviously very different places, different building codes, but how do you compare it?
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>> reporter: there's a lot of similarities. i'll tell you, one of the big differences is just the climate. it is below freezing right now. you remember in haiti it was january, it was quite warm at that point in haiti. it was much more densely populated over here. it is more spread out, the quake zone but the same sorts of problems with building codes, pancaking of the building you saw. that is -- it's reflective of think buildings that haven't been built to the code of withstanding earthquakes and seeing the consequences of that, obviously also syria. northern syria you're dealing with a country that has so much civil strife it is so hard to get aid up until yesterday there was only one border crossing where people could go get aid into syria or patients could come back across into turkey for medical care and dealing with that geopolitical situation and climate differences and feels very similar. >> sanjay, so glad you're there. thank you. just ahead an incredible report about some of the more bizarre charges against
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congressman george santos was adamant on twitter he will remain in office, quote, let me be very clear, i'm not hiding or backing down. there are multiple ongoing investigations into his finances and told a long series of lies, one of the newest involves charges later dismissed but refasting in 2017 he stole puppies from an amish dog breeder using bad checks. our gary tuchman to amish country in pennsylvania to learn more about the allegations. >> reporter: we've told this amish dairy farmer in lancaster, county, pennsylvania, we'll protect his identity. as the father of ten who while call fred tells us the story of a man would dame to his house a little over five years ago to buy puppies that fred breeds as a side job. >> he seemed uncomfortable and nervous and fidgety. that's when i started getting suspicious. >> reporter: his instinlts correct. these are nine checks from
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november 2017. the name on each of them george santos. the checks to buy puppies obtained by cnn were written to fred and other amish dog breeders and totaled more than $15,000. fred says the man he then simply knew as george came with a female assistant and cut their deal in this very room we're standing in, the milk house and the man wanted two german shepperds. >> he says, okay, we'll take that puppy and that puppy and his assistant grabs the two puppies, takes them out the door and he pulls out a check. i was like, oh, no, is this guy going to pay me with a check? but then i was very suspicious. >> reporter: because you told me before she put the dogs in the car, correct? >> right. >> before they paid for them? >> right. >> reporter: so you're suspicious because he's going to pay with a check and you don't take checks. >> i told him i don't take checks, all i can take is cash but he said, would you expect me to carry enough cash to buy a bunch of puppies on a trip like
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this? i do not have cash. the only thing i can give you is a check. well, i thought to myself, it looks like i'm done. >> you're stuck. >> i'm stuck. >> because the dogs are already in the car. >> the dogs are in the car. >> you thought they pulled a fast one on you. >> right, and it was obvious to me by that time they probably pulled a fast one on me. >> so you said, through the goodness of your heart, i take it that you'll take the check. >> i said, i decided a check is better than nothing. i'll give it a try. >> reporter: the results of that try. the check bounced. >> the check bounced. >> then you were charged a fee too for depositing a bounced check. >> right. >> have you gotten the money back? >> no. >> have you heard from anybody about it? >> no. >> reporter: just three days after all these puppies were. prosecutored santos participated in an adoption event at a pet supply store in staten island, new york, according to a former owner of the business. that man tells cnn he wrote a
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check for a few hundred dollars to santos' pet rescue charity following the event but later saw it online and someone crossed out the charity name and wrote isn't devolder, another name that santos has used. >> new york republicans are calling you a disgrace. >> reporter: we received no comment from santos or his attorney regarding this. santos was ultimately charged with theft by pennsylvania authorities. but the charge was later dropped after santos made a claim that somebody had stolen his checkbook according to a lawyer who was a former friend of his. that lawyer tiffany bogosian says she no longer believes him. >> he is definitely not qualified to be where he is in congress and he should really be in jail. >> reporter: this is george santos. >> right. >> do you believe this is the man who bought your dogs and put them in the car and took them away? >> i feel it is based on my memory, i would say, yes, it is. >> reporter: fred loves dogs. he has his own and still breeds
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others. he's tried his best to forget about being fleeced but santos' ascension to congress has made it impossible. >> i'm disappointed a person like that would have a chance to get in the house of representatives. >> gary joins us now. this is insane to me. that george santos according to the amish farmer wrote bad checks to him face-to-face and defrauded him. >> right. and, you know, the part about the dogs going in the car. >> stole puppies. you cannot make this up. >> that's the allegation, right, but you heard him say that he believes that was george santos and the checks were from george santos and santos is inferring by saying the checkbook was stolen somebody else took his checkbook and wrote nine separate checks to buy dogs. >> if you were going to steal a checkbook i'm not sure one would be to go to amish country and buy dog. >> exactly right. an important point, though, is that this farmer told us george
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santos put the dogs in the car before he paid for the dogs. >> right. >> he honestly as you saw -- >> classic santos move. >> he felt intimidated and said, okay, i'll take the check. he felt intimidated and believes he was fleeced. >> stealing puppies allegedly. i mean -- >> you wouldn't do that? >> it is so -- it's incredible to me. this whole thing. i cannot believe this is going on. >> quite a story. a lot of it is quite a story. this aspect is quite a story too. >> wow, thank you, gary. still ahead, new testimony in the alex murdaugh double murder trial from his wife's sister. what she had to say about the night of the murders and alex's behavior next. what you gon' do? you ain't talkin' 'bout nothin'! ♪
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the end of its case. murdaugh is accused of killing his wife and youngest son in an alleged effort to cover up his financial crimes. his wife's sister took the stand today testifying about her last conversation with maggie murdaugh and her interactions with alex after the murders. randi kaye has more. >> she loved her family. she loved her boys. >> reporter: maggie murdaugh's sister on the witness stand just feet away from the man accused of taking the lives of her sister and her nephew, paul murdaugh. she shared in court that maggie told her alex had specifically requested she and paul go to the family's hunting property that night. >> she said that alex wanted her to come home that night? >> yes. >> what was your understanding of maggie's intent or what they were going to do that night? >> i was under the impression they were going over to all meet up to visit his parents. >> you encouraged her to go?
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>> i did. >> was that the last time you talked to her? >> yes. >> reporter: proctor shared how she felt after learning about their deaths. >> i just couldn't believe it. i didn't think it was true. >> reporter: maggie murdaugh's sister testified about what she described as an odd conversation she had with alex in the days following the murders. she said when she asked him if maggie and paul had suffered, he assured her they did not. then this -- >> i asked him, i said, alex, do you have any idea who's done this? i said we have got to find out who could do this. and he said that he did not know who it was but he felt like whoever did it had thought act it for a really long time. >> that strike you as odd? >> i just didn't know what that meant. >> she also testified following the murders alex seemed focussed on resolving a boat lawsuit his son paul was involved in.
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>> we would talk about the boat case. and he was very intent on clearing paul's name. >> what did he say? >> he said that -- his number one goal was clearing paul's name. and i thought that was so strange because my number one goal was to find out who killed my sister and paul. >> reporter: regarding his whereabouts the night of the murders, maggie's sister told the jury that alex told her family that he had not gone to the dog kennels where the murders took place earlier that night. >> you said he never went to the kennel? >> correct. >> reporter: keep in mind, alex told investigators he wasn't at the kennels either until much later that night when he found his wife and son dead. yet the state and more than half a dozen witnesses have identified his voice on a recording taken at the kennels
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around the time of the murders. the recording was discovered on paul murdaugh's cell phone months after the murders. on cross-examination, the defense talked about maggie being part of a loving family and how poorly alex was coping with the murders. >> alex, was he grieving greatly? >> oh, terribly. >> people have described him as being destroyed, is that -- would you agree with that assessment? >> yes. >> and anderson, maggie's sister also testified that maggie and alex had a good relationship. she said it wasn't perfect but that she thought maggie was happy and maggie thought that alex had a problem with pills that maggie nicknamed paul murdaugh the little detective he would go around the house and collect pills that alex had in his possession that hadn't been prescribed to him. as you may recall, alex lawyers blamed an alleged opioid addiction for some of these alleged financial schemes and
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to bring out the innovator in you. after nearly 60-year wait, the white house announced retired u.s. army kernel paris davis will finally be awarded the medal of honor. according to "the new york times," davis, who someone of the first black officers in the green beret was nominated in 1965 for his heroism during the vietnam war. but the army allegedly lost his nomination paperwork four years later the nomination was resubmitted and again the paperwork was apparently lost. davis tells cbs he believed race was a factor in the delay. president biden personally called davis monday to inform him he would receive the medal of honor and said he looked forward to hosting him at the white house. davis said the call from the president prompted a wave of memories of men and women what he served with. the news continues. erin burnett out front
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