in you. after nearly 60-year wait, the white house announced retired u.s. army kernel paris davis will finally be awarded the medal of honor. according to "the new york times," davis, who someone of the first black officers in the green beret was nominated in 1965 for his heroism during the vietnam war. but the army allegedly lost his nomination paperwork four years later the nomination was resubmitted and again the paperwork was apparently lost. davis tells cbs he believed race was a factor in the delay. president biden personally called davis monday to inform him he would receive the medal of honor and said he looked forward to hosting him at the white house. davis said the call from the president prompted a wave of memories of men and women what he served with. the news continues. erin burnett out front starts

now. ♪ new reporting from the white house this hour ready to go. those are the words of a biden adviser tonight about a 2024 run. and we're going to tell you what else is going on behind the scenes tonight. all new reporting from our phil mattingly at the top of the hour. plus, ron desantis' new target is a small liberal arts college. his goal is to turn it into a conservative school and the man desantis putting in charge making double his predecessor. space race, inside china's spy balloon-making operation. famed astrophysicist kneel degrasse tyson is out front. let's go "out front." good evening. welcome to this special edition of "out front." i'm erin burnett. tonight, ready to go. that's an exact quote. those are the words of a biden adviser tonight telling our phil mattingly about the president's plans to announce he's running for re-election.

up until last week president biden publicly said he's not ready to make a decision on 2024. he kept using that words, intend, he intends to but hasn't made a decision. privately phil can report all the pieces are in place for a robust national campaign. why is biden waiting to announce? i'll speak to phil in jaus moment about his new reporting, but it comes in the context of former president trump finally having his first major challenger. south carolina governor nikki haley announcing her campaign for president. >> it's time for a new generation of leadership. to rediscover fiscal responsibility, secure our border and strengthen our country, our pride and our purpose. >> phil mattingly is out front life outside the white house. so phil, ready to go. that's the tip of the iceberg there from your sources telling you about biden's plans to run. >> reporter: it underscores the fact that inside the white house when you talk to advisers and the team and when advisers leave

the white house, they are fully planning for the campaign. and not just fully planning, there have been plans and infrastructure built over the course of the last several months in the leadup to an announcement at this point seems inevitable, not just expected. now that being said, president biden officially has not made the decision yet. he said so publicly. it's also been the case privately. but everything that the president's political team that his senior team has been pushing towards is that 2024 re-election campaign. you've seen it in the public messaging, the events he attended in critical swing states to talk about his key agenda wins in the first two years in places like arizona and georgia, pennsylvania. those are all not subtle. they are all very intentional. that's what we have seen publicly. obviously you also saw the state of the union address which really kind of threaded together many of those critical themes, but it's behind the scenes what they have been building privately months and two years that has really set the table for what lies ahead. an infrastructure, built to the democratic national committee, hundreds of millions of dollars

raised, tens of millions of dollars to build out state-based organizations in all of those critical battleground states, all driving towards the moment when the president announces his re-election. now, again, it is important to caveat, the president has not said that, and aides made clear they don't believe there's an urgency at this moment, despite the fact they had been planning for potentially making an announcement this month, what they have seen over the course of the last couple months both on the republican side, the slow build out of the republican field, the former president lackadaisical effort in the first few months of his own campaign but also on the democratic side. the larger national democratic establishment has largely coalesced behind the president, not trying to run against him. no primary challengers here. there's no urgency. what they want to do right now is continue to path that they've been on and that path, as the president laid out in that state of the union address, very driven by those first two years agenda item wins. and also driven by the idea of what comes next. since the president said it more than a dozen times in that state

of the union address, three words, finish the job. >> right. i guess that says it all when you say inevitable, semantics matter. they show the soul in some ways. phil mattingly, thank you very much. john avlon, margaret hoover, harry enton, all with me here tonight. okay. so, you know, inevitable, he used the words. hasn't been announced. you have the money. you have the operation. consulting -- it's all there. right? i mean, so, does he benefit by doing this way, waiting to announce? >> i think there's no urgency for biden to announce. right now the momentum is behind him. polls show democrats are actually coalescing against his presidency after a long time saying they approved of the job he was doing but didn't particularly want him to run again. polls also show he stacks up best against all the republican contenders. they also learned their lesson after teddy kennedy challenged jimmy carter and weakened him. look, i continue to think in the

fullness of time, this is not a decision that biden and his team should be taking lightly just because they're up in the polls. he has done a strong job objectively. had a great midterm and can run a rose garden strategy and probably should. >> he also has the pulpit. the state of the union, he doesn't need to announce to start holding rallies -- he has that everyday. >> that's right. there's something to the inertia of the incouumbency. look, he's going to announce. i have to quibble with one thing you said -- >> that never happens. go on. >> he stacks up against all the republican competitors best. and that simply -- if it's not donald trump, look at nikki haley. look at some of these other candidates, say i don't think that larry hogan would get the nomination, a lot of other candidates that could represent generational change that actually won't stack up well against joe biden not in his favor. >> look. i agree with you just -- look,

i'm talking about current poll. he stacks up best against donald trump. a much younger candidate, that contrast not going to look good. as far as larry hogan goes, babe, keep hope alive. >> so, congressman jones, let's talk about the polling here because john mentioned something, right, there had been approval of democrats of the job biden is doing. and now he's making a very, you know, energetic case about it, right, finish the job. give me another chance, very clearly. but now you have 58% of democrats and democratic-leading independents say they prefer a candidate other than biden. these are democrats. an abc/"washington post" poll. what does that say to you? should he take that to heart? or just ignore it? >> he should consider it because it goes to, i think, what most democrats are thinking about when they do feel concern about him, that is his age. but put him up against donald trump, i feel really good about the odds once again in a head-to-head for this president going up against this guy. i think that he's got a

tremendous record of accomplishment to run on. i'm a bit biased as someone who was just in congress -- >> at least you acknowledge it, right? >> helping to pass this. objectively, to john's point, large-scale transformational legislation, much of which still hasn't taken effect. americans will continue to feel especially when prescription drug costs go down, insulin capped at $35 for medicare recipients in january of this year, he can run on a lot. >> that stuff when it happened, midterms had not taken effect. it's a fair point to say people hadn't felt it then. they will obviously by the presidential election. harry, when you look at the numbers, how do you see a president who is waiting to formally announce? >> i think he has got all the time in the world to be perfectly honest with you, erin. if you look at essentially the median president going back 40-plus years, when did they announce? they did not announce until late april, april 30th of the year before the general election. we are still two and a half months until that point. ronald reagan, who cruised to re-election in 1984, did not, in

fact, announce or file with the fbc until october of 1983. >> wow. which is incredible. >> pretty late. >> in many ways sort of the model. not as old as biden, but there's some -- >> exactly right. somebody whose approval rating was middling at this point but still had the approval of his party behind him and had no real challengers really in the horizon. that is basically joe biden at this point. in my mind based upon the numbers he has a long ways to go until he has to announce. >> obviously the other issues, there's no challengers. >> he's already running, right? there was reporting a few months ago the white house was miffed at gavin newsom. then gavin apologized and so, clearly they don't -- they're signaling they are doing this, they haven't formally announced yet. >> part of the reason he has the wind in his sails and this time is because i don't know what's going on on the other side. not a whole lot. you remember the big escalator ride, wasn't that in june? yeah. that's right. that was in june. >> yeah, it was. >> so he was the first to

announce. now the end of october or when ever it was. here we are nikki haley gets into today? >> things have gotten earlier and earlier. depends on the presidential cycling. this is an open field for republicans. there is no donald trump, of course, has this ceiling of maybe it's 30, 35, maybe it's 40% of the republican -- the base of republican party. the real question is, if you get in early as a candidate, are you going to be able to generate the fundraising to take you through for two more years? and there are some candidates who are going to be able to do that a lot easier than others. nikki haley is one and this is why i think you're seeing her get in. she has a lot of fundraising prowess. and a lot of promise within the republican donor class. ron desantis does too. he's waiting. that's a question. why is he waiting? >> i don't like to stir the pot over here, but i feel like -- >> but this is the question. >> i feel like john doesn't fully agree. >> if you get in early, you have the confidence you're going to fund your race. >> ron can wait because he has a legislative session he has seen as category 2. i think nikki haley is smart to get in now. can differentiate herself.

look, first of all, someone whose parents lived in south carolina 30 years, fascinating to see south carolina be at the center of the political universe, potentially two candidates running, tim scott, nikki haley, potentially democrats having their first primary in south carolina. that's extraordinary. i will say that nikki haley, you know, putting aside she is polished significantly since she was governor, particularly as u.n. her announcement video was to my ears and eyes pitch perfect. i wasn't expecting that. i think she -- >> case came out for the microphone. >> no. i really was impressed on a couple levels. first of all, she drew a clear contrast with donald trump implicitly. made a case of generational change, not only that, she called out the far left for its successes but also highlighted the nation's challenges when it comes to race the regions, mother emanuel church, saying that republicans lost 7 out of the last 8 popular votes and making the case she can expand the base. that's not a ron desantis pitch. that is someone who is trying to

carve out their own lane and it was done well. >> and certainly very clear she wants the job as opposed to some saying, well, is she going to settle for vice president. she made it clear she is running for the job. harry, on that front, where do you see -- so haley announced, desantis hasn't, everyone believes he will and trump. haley and desantis. >> right now she's averaging 3% in the polls and that is low in most nominees from polling better than that or most poll better in the early polls. there are, in fact, a few who polled nikki haley's level or worse and went on to win the nomination. jimmy carter in 1976. donald trump was polling very low in the early 2016 polls. right? we tend to forget that, but he skyrocketed once he announced. compare to someone like ron desantis, who is polling 32%. there have been five republicans who polled at that level, all but one of them won, of course, rudy giuliani the lone exception. i'm sorry to break your heart, john avlon.

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tonight, desantis versus the new college. it's a small progressive public liberal arts college in sa sarasota, florida, describes itself as a, quote, community of free thinkers and governor desantis reportedly wants to take it over and model the new college after hillsdale college a christian school in michigan whose alumni list includes republican elected officials. desantis removed six trustees and replaced with hand picked conservatives and replaced the school president with richard cork ran an ally of desantis and former republican house speaker in florida and state education commissioner. as the tampa bay times reports

tonight, dock raj is getting a base salary of $699,000. wow. and you know, you don't have the state tax in florida. and that's more than double his predecessor. everyone is back with me. just thinking about that for a second. goes a lot further. okay. so, let's talk about the money, though. i'm trying to figure out what's going on, margaret. he's making more than double his prede predecessor, more than double the housing stipend, 4,000 more for an auto stipend. going for the tesla. and it's $100,000 more than the reported base salary of the president of the university of central florida, which is an enormous university, the largest by enrollment in florida. ucf, 68,000, this new college 700 students. so -- >> look, i cannot -- >> money talks. margaret, what is it tells us? >> there you go. >> look, here is what i can tell you about this story. i can't speak to the finances of the university, it is suspicious

it's double the amount. maybe it's been underfunded many, many years since they left the central florida funding system. they have to lobby for their own dollars and don't have huge budgets. they don't have a lot of money. apparently they have a $15 million request into the florida legislature. so perhaps they're going to try to cobble that back and this will be a well-funded position. what i know is ron desantis, unlike you just saw this general election video of nikki haley's announcement for president, ron desantis has this ability as you said it was so good because it appeals to a general electorate, ron desantis is probably the best person in the republican party picking red meat issues for the base and throwing red meat at them. it is crt, sending venezuelans to martha's vineyard, it is masks and covid. he can pick any culture war issue and make it his own and rile up the gop base but i don't see him doing a lot of really serious conservative policy

reforms. so that's something ron desantis has to answer if he does run for president. >> but he is putting -- this is time and effort, very specific and very explicit. >> it's also rank hypocrisy. we're talking about taxpayer dollars here. this small liberal arts college he wants to turn into a conservative college, this is an ideologic exercise of power. this isn't about we want things to be more neutral and fact based and not politicize. we want explicit bias to bias implicit bias the money we're talking here is apparently taxpayer funds. >> yes. >> the least conservative thing you can possibly imagine. >> by the way, just to be clear, he says it is. desantis a few weeks ago talking about new college. >> it's important that your tax dollars are funding institutions that you can be proud of. the mission that you can have confidence in and i think you're going to see that -- i think you're going to see some really positive results very quickly at a new college. it is by statute supposed to be the premier honor's college in florida.

that's the mission. clearly hasn't met that mission. >> he's doing a great job of turning the state of florida into mississippi. and adding a layer of corruption to it on top of it. everything this guy does is rank hypocrisy that makes news, whether it's banning books, which is something that we only see in sort of fascistic societies or saying that people can't say the word gay in classrooms or more recently sort of firing six trustees on the board of trustees and more than doubling the salary of the president in an effort to turn this thing into liberty university or something like that. this is really cull -- really leaning into the culture wars. it's clearly a republican primary strategy. i continue to believe it does him a great disservice in a general election when he will have to justify and explain -- >> so here is the question. i understand exactly what you're saying. then you say, well, is he playing checkers or chess? if he's playing chess, harry, he is saying, talking about honor's college that hasn't fulfilled

its mission is going to work because i can go make a conservative if i want. but a lot of people are going to hear me about education underperforming and a lot of people are worried about that who aren't necessarily in my base, right? >> yeah. i would be playing candyland to be honest, not chester checkers. here is the deal, if you look at the disfaction with public education among republican, it right now is sky high. it's 78%. compare to pre-pandemic when it was 58% republicans. look at americans overall here. this will also give you a good picture of what's shaking. what we see is the percentage of americans dissatisfied with the quality of public education is 68%, up a little bit since 2020. but on this issue, i think the question is are americans going to hear the specifics that ron desantis is talking about? or are they going to hear him just railing against public education at large? because if it's the general, he is in much better position than if it's the specifics in my mind. >> well, he's really trying out this, you know, education not indoctrination. that's what he wants to stick.

>> and he's also -- i mean to make -- look, he's not a traditional conservative. more of a conservative populist. right? it's like the conserve no traditional conservative would take on disney and penalize them because you don't like their -- their language politics around language. we have been giving money, public funds to a public university and has been underperforming. if we're giving money, let's make sure -- >> my idealogies -- >> i agree with the message. by the way, this is something eminently undoable by the next guy who follows you. it's not a great long-term strategy unless he can prove it's successful as a real education reform at higher level. >> it's also, according to its new mission, education not indoctrination. you want to improve the educational standards. absolutely. more balance on liberals and conservatives. a taxpayer funded ideologic exercise to the extreme.

now, it has worked for him to date. he did a lot of the smash mouth politics playing with the base and won by 20 points. a lot of o these issues he takes on don't poll badly. but this using taxpayer dollars to create an ideologic right wing university on the public dime, that contradicts the core claim that this is all about trying to remove politics from education. >> i also want to push back on this idea that he's a populist in some way, right? yeah, he may be taking on one institution that disagrees with him, adverse to him in some way, he's not supporting minimum wage increase or taking on big sugar, this massive industry in the state of florida or doing any other things that like you see more populist people, including some republicans in the senate these days, trying to do. >> right. >> that's a different kind of populist. >> conservative populist. >> harry, in terms of his decision making, we talk about biden, right, circle back. that's where we began. biden taking as long as he wants to announce. >> yeah. >> different calculus for

desantis. how does he play it? he's not announced and he's polling. does he just wait? >> well, you know, funny, i was just crunching the numbers before we went on the air. what i did find was that the number of candidates who get an earlier than the median candidate, more of them win the nomination than those who get in later. that is on the whole, candidates who get in earlier tend to win than those who get in later. that doesn't necessarily always hold right, but when you look at this overall, i would -- donald trump who right now i think most people's minds is the favorite for the republican nomination, if not a wholesale favorite. he is somebody who has been in this race for a long period of time and you know the other thing, which i think back to 2016, and the 2015 cycle, what i recall, i do recall him going down the escalator, i also remember him forming an exploratory committee of march of that year a long before a lot of other people did. >> all right. i think about how early that is relative to where we are this cycle. thank you all. next, a "new york times"

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investigation shows an american aide worker in ukraine was targeted and was killed by a guided missile and a deliberate russian attack. now we're going to walk you through exactly what the investigation shows. first, witnesses tell cnn that u.s. marine veteran pete reed just arrived on the scene in the eastern city of bakhmut where some of the fiercest fighting. he was helping a woman who was hurt and one minute later he came under attack himself. "the new york times" done incredible reporting and slowed down video of the deadly strikes. they report that it is a laser-guided anti-tank missile fired from three miles away. reed's wife spoke to jake tapper

today and said this was a deliberate attack, likely from russian forces. >> there are definitely targeted. a lot of people would say, why did he go over there? why did he put himself in harm's way? but it is because of that care that he had for people that really weighed heavily on him if anyone was suffering. >> thomas gibbons nef did incredible amount of reporting and analysis for this investigation. thomas, i really appreciate your time. so, you shared stills with us from your investigation of the video that show pete reed standing next to a white van that they were using as a makeshift ambulance to transport humanitarian supplies. i do want to warn our viewers before showing the next image for everyone to understand because this is of the strike, this image as you slowed it down, that is the missile hitting the van. at that moment we now know reed was killed. thomas, can you walk me through how you determined that this was a targeted attack?

>> right. thanks for having me. so, i think when we think of bakhmut, i spent time there and met pete reed in december in eastern ukraine. we think of a lot of indiscriminate shelling, kind of hitting wherever there are ukrainian positions or places in the city. but if you look at the video that's not indiscriminate. it's fired from a position in order to fire that weapon at a target you need to be able to see what you're shooting at. so if you again slow down the video, we have incredible visual investigations team that looked at the angle of the shot and measuring looking at both the missile type that can be caught on camera and the direction of which it's fired, you can tell that it came from roughly russian positions where they have their front line. >> and just to understand, thomas, from what i understand from this video, right, he pulls up in that makeshift ambulance

along with other medics because there's been an incident, right? someone had been hit and they run over to help them. so this happens. and then the strike happens. and after the strike, there's the sound of incoming shelling as the camera continues to roll for 20 minutes. this is the context before and after. i mean, so when you say guided, okay, that means it was aimed. but then there's the question of intent. is there any way that the people who fired and aimed the missile did not know who they were aiming at, medics helping ukrainian civilians? >> so, pete's vehicle -- the white van that was targeted it doesn't have any clear indication that it is an ambulance. however, pictures taken prior to that event show that they do indeed have a red cross. but other vehicles there that had stopped roughly four to five vehicles that had come to that scene were marked in one way or another that they were an ambulance or aide workers. so, the idea that indeed the

shooter or the russians who fired most likely fired the weapon could tell. i mean, that is tough to debate. at range, what kind of -- what they could see, what they couldn't see. they might have just been able to see a few blobs in the distance and decided to fire. >> right. just add this context, so everyone understands, witnesses who spoke to cnn describe the attack as a prime example of russia targeting medics or the double taps. they hit a target. they wait a few minutes for first responders and hit the same spot again. obviously here they didn't exactly hit the same spot. they wait hit the vehicle that had pulled up. but, does this -- when you put it all together and your investigation sort of frame by frame, does that sound like what happened? >> i think judging where in the city that this strike took place, two miles behind front lines, it was an elevated position, it was obviously a target of opportunity for any russians that were observing the area. the fact they could see the

spot, fire at any tank missile on the direct line instead of using a mortar or howitzer goes in an arc and lands randomly shows they had been watching the area. it's tough to say this is a double tap or not. a woman wounded they had responded to was a way to lure them there, i think that's something that investigators, this was taken up as a war crime case will be looked at heavily. >> i know you talked to experts about this. what is their instinct on whether it's a war crime? >> i think -- talking to amnesty, talking to people hrw, it certainly is -- it's been called a potential war crime. again, it's going to take a lot of investigation to determine what exactly the russians could or could not see and the marking of the vehicles around the site. >> thomas, i appreciate your time and showing all of that. just important for everyone to understand what really happened to somebody who really went to sacrifice their life to make a

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tonight the u.s. is still not able to call three objects shot down by the united states over the course of three days anything but -- objects. national security council spokesperson john kirby says one leading explanation is that the objects shot down over alaska, canada and michigan over the weekend were tied to some commercial yet benign purpose. but this is not satisfying white house critics who are demanding more answers. >> i don't think they're being transparent enough. and i think that's got to change. >> meanwhile, investigation tonight from our selina wang in beijing showed six chinese entities that produce chinese spy balloons and blacklisted by

the united states openly talking about their words killer military capabilities of their products and one of them, this is incredible, i'll show you, this is one of their founders put this screen up in a presentation and points to the balloon and says, oh, look there's the united states. fly right over. so there you have it. "outfront," neil degrasse tyson also the author of cosmic perspectives on civilization and many other books that i hope people will get. but so, neil, let's start here with they're bragging about flying over the u.s. what's your reaction as you hear this whole story and if watched this unfold -- >> by the way, if you lift balloons high enough from the west of the united states, that's what they will do. because these are the prevailing jet streams that move a floating object circulating around the earth. so, to say they're targeting the u.s. -- the wind does that for free. so just want to put that out there. >> maybe that's why they're so

cheap. the wind does the propulsion? >> the wind is your jet stream in this. and so, not only that, by the way, just for context, 1,000 or so weather balloons are launched everyday around the world. and loaded with helium they get very high, very large. and they float. the way a drop of oil at the bottom of a water will float to the top, slowly but it will get there. when it gets there it hovers there and will move wherever the water currents will take it. so by analogy, i'm just saying, this is not a new phenomenon that you might find balloons in the air. the fact that -- just, a. b, that first balloon, that one we're certain was from china was very large. >> three buses or something. >> something like that in length. and just the idea that we should feel threatened by something that is large and slow moving

that you can pop. i just -- i don't know. i'm more casual about this. >> you make me feel better. >> maybe i shouldn't be. >> john bolton was on, ambassador john bolton was on. >> i caught that interview. >> use it as a nuclear delivery system. but, i guess the separate part from this is the u.s./china space race. we're sort of in that it in middle -- >> who will control the new high ground. >> right. so the space force lieutenant of the u.s. said recently i think it's entirely possible they could catch up and surpass us absolutely. talking about china. and you've got -- they've got their own space station. we didn't work with them on the iss. they went and did their own. >> we didn't invite them. we left them -- we kicked them out of the sand box. they built their own sand box. what you expect them to do. >> the nasa administration says china could beat the u.s. to the moon. we went once and didn't go for 30 years. >> by the way, all this whieping, i'm going to call it whining.

i feel strongly about this. had we continued on to the moon and stayed on the moon and on to mars, we wouldn't be like looking over our shoulder now wandering who is going to catch up with us. we would stayed ahead of the world. so to sit back, kick up our feet for five decades and all of a sudden say let's build artemis and go back to the moon. what is motivating you? we're not being proactive for the high ground. we're being reactive. >> on top of that, people understand, you're talking about unlimited resources of minerals -- >> oh, yeah. >> everything up there. >> it's not just for the bragging rights. >> you get that. >> never mind the military access of hypersonic missiles and everything else. >> space has basically unlimited resources. everything that's rare on earth is common in space. rare earth metals, even though they're rare in location, not really rare in abundance, but you look at things that we have fought wars over, access to

energy, minerals, water and there's no end of that in space. so, one of my dreams is that we turn space into our backyard, earth turns space into its backyard. and upon doing so, it would remove an entire category of why we have ever fought wars. which is battling over access to limited resources. >> right. >> so i think space might be the best hope for peace in the future of civilization. >> and of course now looks like we're fighting over it. so now in the context of these objects, okay, three more objects are shot down. as you point out, there's a lot of objects out there. look, i look at a map of the world and see the satellites out there. if those started raining down, we would all be gone. but now this whole concept of extraterrestrial had came up and congressional hearings about ufos and now we find out most were chinese spy balloons or

weather balloons or whatever. does this change your view at all of the nature, the nature of extraterrestrial life. >> no, not really. we have greater capacity -- i used this phrase before and i mean it genuinely. given the number of smart phones in the world today, 6 billion, we are unwittingly crowdsourcing any possible alien invasion. because everyone could take high resolution video of it, post it instantly and it would be viral. at least as viral as kittens jumping from the table to -- >> oh, no. >> okay. >> anything to do with cats i think is -- >> then aliens invading earth. okay? so, i think -- i like it when people need an excuse to look up. right? look up. and by the way, the government doesn't want you to not look up. if a billion -- hundreds of millions of people look up and see things that could harm us.

i want the military to investigate this. but by all means. and so, it's odd that we have expensive planes and expensive missiles to pop balloons. that's a little odd to me, but fine. protect my air space. now, do i think these are visiting alien, it would be odd if they were. aliens moving across the galaxy? dropping some balloons? oh, what alien would do that? i don't want to meet those aliens. i don't want the low-tech aliens. >> i mean, it's high-tech to think you could come in and launch a balloon. >> you know, i'm just disappointed. yes, we don't know what they are. technically they are uf -- the first three, u, unidentified, flying object. the government called them uaps. they were rebranding. >> don't try to fool us here. >> before you leave, the stunning images from the james webb, what's your favorite so far? >> the karina nebular.

oh, i just have to bask in the majesty of that image. this is a gas cloud. a ridge of gas cloud and the james webb space telescope because it uses infrared light, it can penetrate into gas clouds where you bear witness to the birth of stars, stellar nurseries. not only the birth of stars, but the birth of planets. and that's just in front of our nose. and it does that in addition to looking at the birth of galaxies in the early universe. it's a bad ass telescope. >> and if it finds a balloon, a lot more high-tech than you thought. >> call me if you find it. >> thanks so much, neil. >> sure. next, dr. sanjay gupta on the scene in turkey. hospitals there are scrambling to save the injured from the earthquake. it's already claimed more than 40,000 lives. there are some incredible miracles tonight.

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tonight, rescuers in turkey report hearing voices coming from beneath the rubble. this is more than a week after the earthquake. the voice is another miraculous tale of hope in the wreckage that has left more than 41,000 known dead across to k and syria. today, cameras caught a couple

being rescued alive from the rubble of a five story building. they've been trapped 209 hours prior to that rescue. doctor sanjay gupta has been in turkey today. they are treating some of the hospitals at this hospital. he joins me now. sanjay, you have seen horrific scenes in your life as you travel the world to disasters but what we've been witnessing tonight with this virus they are being brought in. i get that there are stories of miracles tonight after so many hours. >> they really are. when you think about this. many times it's been many days. but the space and time to get the survivors now to large trauma centers. it just takes some time. so many of the hospitals on the quake zone and they were destroyed themselves. so the biggest trauma hospital there in is what is taking majority of patients. so we just have been there for a few minutes. the doctors were talking to. they all got these pages. we ran up to the helipad.

they brought it patient from a helicopter. just a couple hours outside of a rescue. 26-year-old woman who had been pinned out of the rubble. they're worried that she was developing crush syndrome so they. had to rush for merging dialysis. and this was the processor describing. which is happening over and over. i go tsai as well, her. in that rescue of an eight month old baby. the most amazing story as we've seen disasters all over the world. we have been or something like this. the baby was actually hurdled out of the window. at the time the earthquake. when the earthquake happened. and that the building itself was just pancaked. mom survived, pinned or sell for 14 hours, eventually got out was trying to find a baby. she thinks her baby has died. ultimately, a good samaritan had found the baby. taken the baby to the hospital. and were able to connect mom and baby at the hospital. i mean, you see the worst of things, but you see some remarkable things as well.

really rising up. this is ongoing. it's gonna be several days out now. >> that's an incredible tale. so some of these people with 200 hours and they've been in situation that we could mean some sort of an air pocket, obviously. no food or water. how are they surviving? of course it's been frigid. >> we see a lack of water. people surviving more than 100 hours. it would be unusual. you can places like in haiti, and the. paul places were thought other aquatics. that is what you often heard. most of the rescues take place, 90%, within the first 24 hours. up to seven days or so after that you might get another surge of rescues. but we are going on day eight now. i think the cold weather, as you mentioned, is a double edged sword. on one hand, it makes a very

difficult, it is below freezing right now. on the other head, it may reduce the demands for water. perhaps that is playing into this. there's some pools of water that they could tap into to survive this long. we don't know, really, with human body is capable of. there's not a lot of data just how long people can survive in the situations. but we are seeing those rescues 200 hours out just that you are. >> absolutely incredible. we're happy to see your eyes and heart they're out to sea. thank you so much, sanjay. and thanks all of you to for joining us tonight. cnn tonight with house and camerota is next. romise from unitedhealthcare she got a medicare plan expert to help guide her with the right care team behind her.. the right plan promise only from unitedhealthcare. when it comes to reducing sugar in your family's diet,

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