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i am alison camerota. welcome to cnn tonight. 338,000 children. that is how many american kids have been exposed to gun violence at school since the columbine tragedy. now, imagine this. you survived a school shooting in high school or two rival college and be the victim of another one. that is what happens with these three students and michigan state university, last night. i'll talk to the father of one girl during that nightmare tonight. also, parking survivor, they've been hawn, will be here with his thoughts on the five year anniversary of that school shooting. plus, nikki haley, then perhaps in the ring for 2024 against donald trump. how will she now deal with their head spinning contradictions and positions. on trump. and ohio's governor says he will not drink the water in one part of the state. so one of the people of east palestine supposed to do? 11 days after that toxic train derailment. started spewing hazardous chemicals. erin brockovich is here tonight

with us. what i want to get right to the aftermath of the mass shooting, last night, michigan state university. joining me now is matt riddell, whose daughter and i as a freshman at msu and was a senior at oxford high school during the school shooting there. just 14 months ago. matt, thanks so much for taking the time to talk tonight. it is almost unbelievable that you all endure this nightmare, 14 months ago, when she was a senior. in high school. and now, you have this recurring nightmare last night. how do you and she even process what is happening to her in the past 14 days? >> i appreciate you having me on. it's been unexpected, and pretty incredible, that we had to go through this again with emma. and she is a fantastic, strong young woman. she's doing what she can. i think one of the things that has been heartbreaking for me, if her to acknowledge that this

time may be easier. because she has told that she developed last time. and i remember thinking back of the oxford shooting that, okay, you survived, it is tragic, you lost friends. but will never happen again, right? it just can't. so we've been through it, this trauma that we've experienced. you, know you are done. that's kind which brain thousands. it's there's no way can happen to somebody twice. >> matt, how crazy that's while she's getting better at it. she's getting better at surviving school shootings. in this world where we live in the we see that as a victory. somehow, so tell us what happened last night when this all broke out under campus. i know that she was in touch with you. what was she doing? how is she coping with all that? >> so she was in her dorm room, she was with the roommate, and they're good friends. they're able to support each other and they've gotten the notice around 8:30 to shelter in place. and to go into lockdown. so she sent us a screen cap of

the notification she received for michigan state telling them to head down immediately. she lives on a high floor in the dorms. they were luckily in their home so to speak in the dorms so they locked the door, they barricaded, they sent dresses and from the bathroom door. which is a shared space. and another entry door. they closed the window, they hid under the desk for the next three hours. and in the first few minutes it was a lot of confusion and unknown. then there is confirmation that there was, indeed, a mass shooter on campus. or should arkansas. that is when she did call. and it is heartbreaking to hear that fear in her voice again. it is something that i will never forget, the first time. and now this is a second time. he just getting heartbroken because all you want, as a parent, is to protect their children. to keep them safe. i know you can't. the good head off to college, one tap experiences, and live. but it takes a piece of you that they are going to go face something like this. and then to have it happen again and have the relive some

of the things that happen the first time. it is just tragic that we allow that to occur. >> you must have felt so helpless while she was gone. >> andra percent. about an hour and ten minutes away. your first thought is okay, can the, car lit a drive. then you get there and you realize you can't. because you can't work with the first responders, and police do their jobs. the campus on lockdown, of course. i think this time because it took so long to kind of process from the unofficial, incident. so the kind of the conclusion. it was almost three hours. stars incredibly difficult long three hours. we are just talking over texas, calling occasionally, whispering. kind of maintaining quiet. then obviously trying to keep track of what was happening anyway that we can, on social media. scanners, whatever it might be. then just kind of continue to help supporters and say, listen. you are the safest places you could possibly be in a situation like this. so just keep your head down and we're thinking of you, we're talking to you, and supporting you, or when you get through this.

>> now that this trauma upon trauma. so she had trauma at oxford high school. she sounds like recovered from that is best that she could. and now, the second trauma, how is she today? what are the next steps here? >> it is tough. she is definitely the best that she can. and she has tools from last time. but she understands what is coming over the next few days. over the next couple of weeks. she has a sister lily, supporting her as well. and the disable to help her give her some space to breathe and to be calm, not that things to do, just be present. i was able to stay off this we can just be with her. there's not a lot you can do. it is going to take time. you have to go to some things. and the trauma is gonna stack up. you can have things that occurred the reminded both of those things at the same time. so, for me, just kind of making sure that i'm israel as i can.

and provide the resources that they can to her. to be able to move through the skin. >> matt, as you just said. look into something like this is a parrot takes a piece of you. what pieces lost now? >> i think, at some point, there may have been, again, like i said. you can rationalize the first time. this can't possibly happen again. it's no way. it's mathematically unlikely. you think there's no way. and you say well, it did. so does that mean? and what it means is that we are failing. people like my dollar. we're failing students, for failing children. because we refused to acknowledge is a problem. let alone state step southern reserved issue. i say there's a country, i see that someone who lives in a, you, know an area that may be a part of minority so until we take some sort of action. i start getting angry when i think about it. because i feel like i can't imagine the parents of columbine. they've been feeling this anger and frustration for years.

the nothing's changed, and nothing is happening. and why can't we make progress and take or keep our children safe? >> if she can go back to school next week? >> she. is they do go back to class on monday. and we have to talk about that a lot today. she's got some time to process. she understands that, the place where they are all for six weeks. they have a lot of time, a lot of community events. a lot of things they can do together. college is different, it was a little faster, there's more kids involved. so i know they have to kind of keep things moving. at this point, she's gonna be home with us. that drive back on sunday is going to be tough. kind of re-dropping off, putting her back. they're trying to just say hey, you're going to be safe this time. we hope. and that's what we have difficult moment. but she understands. she loves msu, she loves the campus, she loves her program there. so she wants the participation. she wants to be there. but it's going to be hard. >> matt riddell, we're thinking of you and i am. thanks so much for taking the time, and i'm hoping she

continues to be strong, through all of this. >> thank you. >> the shooting michigan state university coming just hours before the parkland florida community. it is marked five years since them that's where marjory stoneman douglas high school. here's what president biden had to say earlier. >> today marks five years, five years to the day. that 14 students, and three educators, most from parkland florida who met every one of those families spent time in the mall. and a lot of you here had to confront violence in your communities every single day. we took a big step towards passing the most significant bipartisan gun legislation in 30 years. there is a lot more work to do. and i'm committing to getting it done with all of you. >> joining me now. the first students i met five years ago when i landed in portland florida. to cover that school shooting.

david hogg is the survivor that school shooting and the cofounder of march for our lives. david, it is also good to see you even though it is also these horrible horrible situations. what did you think just listening to that father of that daughter who is now, in the past 14 months, have survived two school shootings? >> it is frustrating. unfortunately, it is not surprising, to say the least. look, alison, i think the reality is here. most of the time, this is the first time, ever on the anniversary of the shooting that have spoken out. and it's because i knew after what happened last night. and what we've seen happen in the past five years. i think that we need to change the conversation, and break the cycle that we have inaction. and debates. we need to realize that there is common ground for us to work on here. even if it is small in the first place. most of us have agreed that we need to find mental health to prevent guns. we need to get more information and research to figure out how

to stop the shootings in the first place. i would say to anybody that is out there, especially republican lawmakers that if you're interested in working beyond that. the emmy. i've had conversation. i've had conversations with republicans, privately, and i know that there is room for progress here. and so break the cycle of inaction, and debate, and turn into one of dialogue and conversation, and action. who would keep having this conversation ten years from now with you. and i've been working on that david. i followed around capitol hill one day. you've been working on this, you've been trying to get any lawmakers to listen, and we're open, to try to come to the table. and have common sense solutions. speaking of research. here is another staggering bit of research. the washington post quantified how many kids have lived through a school shooting since columbine. so, a school shooting at their high school, they tend to think about in terms of victims were killed. leads the kids who survived. you are one of these figures.

so since this is the children exposed to gun violence since columbine. in 2018, when the parkland massacre happened. there are 187,000 children who had lived through a school shooting. today, it is almost double. and 2023, there 338,000. that is just such a staggering number. i, mean that is the ripple effect, that you and i've talked about. it is not just a big thumbs, and their families. it is all of you who carried this memory with you. >> right. it is a horrifying ripple effect. forgive me for this if i found angry. i have a just so frustrated at the fact that we're still in the same place. it is time for the debate that is brought us. air and it's time to spread the dialogue that will get us out of here. i just have a special message from the republicans and conservative gun owners who don't agree with me in the first place. i can respect people who don't agree with me. but i can't accept that there is nothing we can do to keep the number one thing we all

care about, which is our loved ones, and especially our children. safe. but if we can continue to delay over and over again we are going to remain here. we need to turn this debate into a dialogue and a conversation to make progress on this. we've acted in a bipartisan way. are gop state legislature passed a red flag law that is now been used over 6000 times. at one point, alison, it was used for somebody who sent a death to my own mother. that may have prevented me from having to bury my own mother. is any loss perfect,? no obviously. but we can make meaningful progress and a bipartisan way on this. we did this summer with the bipartisan community act. but some time we put our politics aside and pushing for what we can agree on together with democrats or republicans but as americans united to protect their kids. and we have to put those politics aside because your

town can be the next parkland and i want anybody else to have that reality. so if a gop lawmaker that is interested in picking out where we could have common ground, and have a good faith conversation about what we can do as americans to address this issue. let's do it, because i don't believe that is anything that we can't do in this country. and if we can land a man on the moon, i think it stopper comes from getting shot to. >> david, you are that's been. angry i did know that story about your own mother, and her having received those threats, and how close it game. that is terrifying, obviously, on every level. you have been dealing with. this is there one thing, one action, david. after these five years that you think, nationally, we can start dealing with? >> i think, nationally, it's not just getting more resource funding and the first place. but the reality is there are similar issues like in terms of debris will have unfortunate diving that every year. i get nearly 1 million dollars in funding from u.s. federal government, and other

government agencies to research. it last year, in the previous five years, on average, we've got about 25 to $50 million to study the number one leading cause of death for people under the age of 19, in this country. which is gun violence. we need to start by getting the right answers, and funding research more. no light to the work with conservative members of the house on that. so we can get it through appropriations, and avoid the filibuster. i want to have that conversation. if you are one of those people please contact in the emmy on twitter. >> i hope they take up on that david. last, five years later, today's the anniversary. how are you and your classmates doing tonight? >> i could only speak for myself. i know that everybody experiences the state differently. but what i will say is personally, despite unfortunately the lack of progress. personally, i'm doing better. because the first day that i got a valentine from the person i'm going out with. and it wasn't triggering. it made me happy. i'm starting to see that as

part of my personal healing journey. i'm really happy that i have been able to do that. and i know bad as well. >> happy valentine's day, david. it is a really sweet story. and we pray for all of your continued healing and progress. we always appreciate talking to you, thanks much for being here. >> appreciate. it >> well, she is running for president. nikki haley is also jumping headfirst into the culture wars. is that a winning strategy? we'll see next. the first time your sales reached 100k was also the first time you hit this note... ( screams in joy) save 20% with the lowest transaction fees and keep more of what you make. s with a partner that always puts you firstes godaddy.ools and support for every small business first.

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governor, the kayleigh, announcing today that she is running for president in 2020. bore she's the first candidate to challenge donald trump for the republican nomination. here is part of a video announcement. i >> some people look at america and see vulnerability. the socialist left sees an opportunity to rewrite history. china and russia are on the march. they all think we can be bullied. kicked around. you should know this about me. i don't put up with police. and when you kickback it hurts the more if you're wearing heels. i am nikki haley and i'm running for presidents. >> okay, let's discuss what this means we carry sheffield, the senior fellow at the independent women's forum. also, molly john. best host of the fast politics podcast. she's also a special correspondent for vanity there.

and cnn flatlands, stead herndon, national political for the new york times. great to have all of you. okay carrie let me start with you. are you excited by her coming into the race? >> i love nikki. i do. have been a big fan of her for a long time. i saw work in israel for a while back when the consulate wasn't jerusalem. now in d.c.. she stood up, she said freeman writes in china when she was in the u.n.. she brought the country together when she was the governor of south carolina. so i love her, i really do. tell you the timing why should only 4% of the polls. >> just got him today. there's nowhere to go but up. >> this is true. however, i think the base would have a hard time getting behind or. if you look at the reaction so far. they perceive her as being disingenuous and the sense that she promised that she wouldn't run if trump was running. she broke that promise. but >> that is not what the base doesn't like. are the basis of liquor because they've gone autocrat. they can't go back.

i mean, should be a great candidate thousand for. but right now this republican party wants red meats. they want someone who doesn't believe and a lot of the -- >> the whole republican party, or the trump wing? >> i think what you're going to need to win a primary is not what makayla's's. and i think it is too bad. i think that she has a lot to recommend her, especially as a republican, and i think she would govern in a more normal way. >> i said, what about her sort of flip flops on donald trump? so just by a couple. here is her on trump's truthfulness. >> donald trump is everything i taught my children not to do in kindergarten. >> i thought my two little ones, you don't lie and make things up. >> what about the truthfulness, you can do so truthful person? >> yes, and every instance that that with me was truthful, he listened, and was great to work with. >> hold your comments on that,

there is more. harry is -- here she is in 2016. on whether he should disavow the kkk. and how she felt five months later. >> i will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk, that is not a part of our party, that is not we want as president. >> are you gonna vote for donald trump? are you going to vote for him? >> of course. >> it is going to be a problem? >> it is going to be a problem, it already is a problem. that is part the reason why she's polling down there. i mean, it is a challenge with being a consensus candidate in this republican party. nikki haley's task here is not just to convince republican voters to vote for her, and that she's a good candidate, and all the rest. if you can bet them to completely change what has been the motivating factor for the republican party in the last decade. she needs to make this go from being a grievance driven party to a forward-looking party.

which is what she's trying to pitch here in that video. that is a huge task. because i think it's about pointing out, it is not just donald trump who made the republican base remote be really motivated by the kind of culture war issues. that's what they are motivated by independents lee. that's what nikki haley would have to contend with. >> i would just disagree. as far as who is a grievance. base the grievance bases the hard. left the grievance base believes that america was founded, and it's very core, to preserve slavery. and that is a flat out lie. >> that was universally agreed. >> that was universally condemned by the vast majority of voters who are part of the american first movement. i think the grievance idea is certainly on both extremely. that is for certain. i think that what you're talking about, for example, the senate budget committee for the left it has been run by bernie

sanders. and avowed socialists who, for so long, in the senate. was on the fringe. and now he's welcomed, he was the second runner-up and the democratic party. that is grievance. he despises capitalism. he despises the foundations of it. >> that is all the reasons why he wouldn't be a favorite. >> he came in second. >> my questions about nikki haley. do you have a problem with those flip-flops that we just heard? >> that is what i'm saying. i am not picking a favorite in this fight. i will be switzerland, in the end, as a, conservative i won the most conservative candidate. so not endorsed nikki, or an endorser. but >> are you comfortable? that does not leveled disingenuousness? >> i think, for the base, that is a big problem. so some people wrote an essay saying, oh, the base is unlikely because the women, and women of color. that is simply not true. kari lake has shots of the top of the charts, she's a woman. candace owens is adored by the

base, she's an african american woman. so it is not about your gender. it is about your behavior. and whether or not to or consistent as a leader. >> okay, go ahead, but on. >> marjorie taylor greene is practically leading the congress. she was a jewish space lasers woman. i mean, i don't think they're the republican far-right is way to say anything. before the left, the democratic president his joe biden. and no one would say he's far-left. by any stretch of the imagination. he's a very center candidate. >> senator biden, president biden is a different person. >> it's hard to see joe biden as a socialist but. but >> that is her biggest issue here. it is not just that she has a base amongst donors. she has a base among the kind of d.c. concert class and among a vision of republicans that is more now the gift of what they

have used to call themselves. but donald trump has taken over the republican party. that does not mean that he is automatically the next nominee. but that does mean that the way the party has transformed is something nikki haley has to contend with. that is why we see this waffling left and right. is because she has been trying to find a lane to contend with this version of the republican party. >> okay, standby. we have so many more topics. please standby, cause we all have major resources about toxic contamination in an ohio town. this is after the derailments of that train that was carrying dangerous chemicals. now, thousands of fish are dying there. some residents are complaining about illness. so we are going to discuss what is being done, next.

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big concerns, tonight, about air and water quality and east palestine ohio. where a train carrying toxic chemicals de railed 11 days ago. residents complaining of head aches and sore throat. thousands of fish dying in the waterways after this bill. tonight, ohio's governor, mike dewine says it's absurd that he was told that the train was not

carrying highly hazardous material. we talk about what is going on with consumer advocate and environmental advocate. erin rock of h. erin thank, so much for taking the time. really been looking for to talking to you. if you tell us what is life like tonight and east palestine? >> they are very concerned. they're very scared, they are very confused, they have been getting information, they've been getting misinformation. this situation has occurred february 3rd, as soon as early morning february 4th i started hearing from the community. they are being evacuated. they are being told to shelter in place. it was a one mile radius. they weren't getting the information they needed. they were concerned i, at that time because there are reports of children who are having difficulty breathing. there was a bad smell in the air. children throwing up, parents were just panicking to get out. and as they were out, we were still not getting much

information about what had happened. how severe the contamination was. they were worried it would explode so they set their own fire to release the chemicals. so the situation has started to really escalate. they are still very uncomfortable. they're now reporting that the chickens of died. there is reports that people raising foxes have died. there's reports that the chickens have died. there's many reports of thousands of fish that have died and the creeks, the rivers, the streams. and they are scared to death. and they're still not getting answers. when they were to return home. now, 11 days later, being told don't drink the water. >> i don't understand, to be honest. exactly with the message from governor dewine's. let me play for you what he said in the press conference today. but >> i think that i'd be drinking a bottle of water.

and i would be continuing to find out what this has we're showing as far as their. i would be alerts and concerned. but i think that would probably be back at my house. >> it's that the best guidance? he would be finding out what the tests are showing? what are the test showing? he's now telling them to be tricky bottled water. i'm a little bit confused about why this message is so muddled. >> i am very concerned. this is been going on under this entire disaster. talking about both sides if you will. that's even been happening with the agencies. the testing isn't even near complete. the testing that they are relying on is coming from norfolk. so this is a situation where the people don't trust at all. i would've never advise the community, who had been evacuated, to come back home. in so you had an all clear. they were told to come back home too soon. they now don't believe that it is safe to live there.

many won't come home. and now, a big disaster. don't drink the water, don't drink about water. this has been mishandled, it is out of control in the state. and i really believe that, at the federal level, this administration has to get involved. this is a huge train development. a huge disaster. you are transporting hazardous chemical, like vinyl chloride. and nobody seems to know about it. this doesn't spell right, it is very fishy, this community has every right to be up in arms. and not trust what they are being told. >> vinyl chloride is a known carcinogen. it has been linked to lung cancers i believe, liver cancer. meanwhile, another thing the governor dewine has said at the press conference today was just what we're talking about. that he wasn't told that it was carrying hazardous material. salacious doesn't that moment. >> the strain, apparently, what

was not considered a high hazardous material train. therefore, the railroad was not written choir to notify and why here in ohio-able was in the rail cars coming to our state. even though some real cars did have hazardous material on board. and, while most of them did not, that is why it was not categorized as a high hazardous material train. frankly, if this is true, and i'm told it's true, this is absurd. >> he says if this is true it is -- we can see the toxic plume. i >> absolutely, he was known from day one. then the raymond happened that was lionel chloride. and that there was ten cars full of it. 1 million pounds have been released into the year. so there is such a breakdown in communication. the fact that he would know that, i'm not sure i believe that. but this is, again, 11 days on.

and you are just now coming up with this information. so, again, to every concern that this community has had. it's been mishandled, miscommunication, they don't trust, it they don't believe it. this is spiraling out of control. and absolutely the current administration needs to step it here and address this. show up and find out what is going on with these people. and the word, is that it is breached, and it is in the ohio river. if you're looking at an impact on 25 million plus people. i have not seen anything like this in our history of something so disastrous and so mishandled. my concern for these people and getting them accurate information. getting them to safety. keeping them out of harm's way and letting them know the truth about what you do know, the truth about what you don't know. before you ever let them go home. >> we will see if federal officials to get involved now. we will see what the governor's

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the night, the ntsb says will investigate the scary plunge of a united airlines flight towards the pacific ocean. shortly after takeoff. the plane took off out of hawaii, in december. then it suddenly plunged into a nosedive and came within the thousand feet of crashing into the pacific. plummeted 1400 feet in 21 seconds.

a passenger describes that moment of sheer terror. >> we felt like a rollercoaster. i mean you get to a peak and bucks at most everyone did nobles about to happen. they did know you're about to go down. so, you know, whom that pressure. feeling, again, the tense is of the situation. it is one of the things really start to count your blessings. you start asking yourself, is this the last time we want to see your family? >> we would bring cnn safety analyst david sissy. a faa safety director. david, what is that? what caused that plane to plummet like that towards the ocean? was that turbulence? >> well. there's a part of turbulence. it is actually a wind shear. which is a little bit different than turbulence. it is part of it. a wind shear is actually like our front is coming in. there's a direct change of the temperatures. that friction between those two fronts, between those two

pieces of air, it caused. if the airplane starts to climb because of thinks that it's got all this air in front of it. it starts to climb, and so the engines are being pulled back. and slowing down. because it is rising. then suddenly, and goes into the downward air system. which then, the airplane doesn't have enough movement, now, to keep the airplane above. so it starts to just plummet. i madrid how frightening that must have been. >> yes, me too. i can't stop imagining it. i thought that planes had technology to avoid wind shear. >> they do. they have on board sensing that tells them what is going on on the airplane. but they are sub ground sensing as well. that tells them a lot about what they are going to approach. so, both of those things should've kicked in. they should've known about it. whether they didn't, this is a very unpredictable events. even when you have all this technology behind you. it can be very very unpredictable and hard to tell.

that is gonna happen, or not. >> i'd like to hear that, david. >> so the plane came within 1000 feet as you can see from this animation. how did the pilots recover it? >> well it was very hard. but there's a lot of jeez coming on, a lot of weight and that is you can hear them describe the rollercoaster. when you're going down the rollercoaster you can say that 200 foot fall in the rollercoaster. multiplied times ten. they are following for 20 seconds. and then, the bottom of that. they had break at the aircraft. as a pilot, we are trying to regain that air speed. you have to get air speed over the wings. so you can't just pull it back again. it's just all again. i keep stallings, long. and what we call stepstone just continue to go down. so they had to do is get as close as they could to the ground. get this much air flow state could over the top of the wings. and that went, at which they have that flow that they need. then, they can pull back. they pull back too soon, that

it is going to be catastrophic loss. but handed it magnificent job of waiting until the last second to pull that aircraft off. because i would've done a much sooner it could've ended much differently. >> david, thank you for your expertise. i'm not sure this made me feel any better. but it's great to talk to you as always. thank you very much. now, want to bring in emma goldberg, this is reportedly york times. back with me, also, is a famously frightened flyer. and molly, for ten years you don't fly because you're so scared. i'm a scared fly to but i can take ten days off. how did you get back on a plane? >> my husband is like, you seem nuts. we can't live like this. >> there beautifully. how did you find the strength and courage? but >> once a bunch of different strengths. the thing that worked for me was exposure but there. i want to ask and connecticut a

made me fly. he flew with me, a bunch of times. >> how far did you fly? >> he would have groups that would take the boston, or washington, and would fight together and explain what's going on. your exiled he is not real. the way you feel is not what's really happening. you may feel a bump and think you are going to die. but the reality is, your much safer than driving to the airport. >> everybody else says that. and it doesn't come from me because there's wind shear that comes out of nowhere. >> but i have asylum secondhand panic. i was not a flight last week when we had some turbulence. then the person started praying, and i had that moment of like, should i be praying? i think it is also part of a mounting concern that airlines are prioritizing profit over safety. and comfort. and all the basic checks that people want to feel comfortable north to get on their plane.

and there's just been a spade out of these near crashes. the meltdown and southwest around the holidays. and i think they want to know that they're getting on the airplane that it's safe and comfortable. >> we're not neurotic. it is happening. it is happening more and more. we need the d.o.t. to do more, let's talk about it more. and to address this. >> ivan secretary buttigieg in doing this. >> he could do more, especially with this trained realm. and there have been a number of transportation related disasters for lack of a better word. and i think that it is time for him to come out. >> we saw president biden in the state of union try to talk about things that were tangible to bring up. this is some those tangible to folks. and sam's point, there's been a number of these that have really caused anxiety. >> hold out for one minute to faa just announced it will be looking at these things. everything from the january 11th outage that halted domestic air travel.

there was the stuff over christmas, obviously,, there is an air collision as admiral saying educator port. and then their closure in austin airport. >> i think that comes after what was them trying to react to anxiety among the public. that is something that it shifted really quickly. i pick coming up the midterms, heading into the, year the white house was kind of banking on this being like a hopeful year of being able to communicate policy differences. but things that are very much out of their control. things like airplanes. things like unidentified flying objects. things like chinese spy balloons can change of those feelings in the second. so i'm not surprised that they're taken those actions. as i do think that anxiety is really setting in for people, even on something like airplanes, which might be unavoidable as a means of travel. but it's still sitting with us all. the graphic still has me i've -- >> been included ufos, but thank you for adding that in as well. thank you all. okay, a startling revelation. and the death of gabby petito. an attorney for petito's

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