>> after the school shooting that killed her student there in critically injured five others. tonight, a source familiar with the investigation tells cnn that the shooter had a two page snow in his backpack, referencing a desire for other shootings. officials still trying to determine the motive, they say the shooter did not have any affiliation to the university. now i want to bring and the former head of the fbi active shooter program, catherine -- she is also a graduate of michigan state university and the author of stop the killing, how to end the mass shooting crisis. catherine, thank you for being here. we're so sorry for what the michigan state community is going through today. we heard about how this huge family of spartans, as you all are known, between parents and alumni and students, it's fast, and you will stay in touch.

what a tragedy this is for everyone. being as deep in this subject matter as you are and knowing the campus as well as you do, having gone there, is there anything that could have stopped what happened last night? >> i think we don't really have the answer to that yet, right, because the fbi and michigan state police will do the background on this individual who did the shooting to see maybe if there were tells and science, and there were people who saw something and did not say something, which is kind of my biggest fear, of course. but i think overall, i think we have to use when we push together what everybody wants, which is the answer to the motivation for why this guy did this, looking for the motivation is really helping us to find the next shooter, before the strike, and that's why we want to continue to look for the information about why this guy did what he did, not

because we can make him not do it but because we can make the next kind not do it. >> we don't seem to be doing a very good job of stopping the next one. there seem to be more and more machines. it's not just a feeling, it's the truth. just this year, we are only 45 days into the air, there are deep in 65 mishitting's, this find as four or more people being killed or injured. we just have not figured out, well, you are in the book on it. what is the answer to stop in these? >> the numbers are a little tricky. they be honest, when the gun violence archives and the others talking, when they say marketing, they are saying four or more, or more. the fbi does not use a number of how many more, but they are looking at a hole fast on the landscape of violence so it might be a murder suicide or domestic violence or gangs or drugs but the ones that we are dealing with today, the situation, the parkland

situation five years ago, northern illinois university, exactly 15 years ago today, five killed, 17 injured, those types of shootings, you are right, those are here in our face, and we are like, why are we not able to combat? i have maybe a somewhat controversial view of a but adding worked on this for so long, the answer is that we as citizens are not willing to accept our responsibility for it, and that's kind of frustrating. the individuals are out there. they're conducting themselves in the same way, and we are not choosing to accept to see what they are doing in preparation for these kinds of killings. >> what will we have to do? >> i think that we, as a whole the individuals who we are looking for, they are isolated in their mind. they believe they are isolated. they have a real or perceived grievance, and they believe

that the world is against them or somebody has aggrieved them. they are alone, and no one is helping to solve whatever these issues are, whether there are main issues that we see in the fbi research or behavioral experts, financial problems, relationship problems, academic problems, work problems, mental wellness problems, when they feel that there is nobody there to help them, then they come up with these plans to do these kinds of violent acts. we are their social structure. our family members and our work mates and siblings and parents and neighbors, and we are not taking on that responsibility. i think the way that we did after 9/11 or reset, see something, say something, nor harris is going to attack my town again, we've done a great job of that when it comes to international terrorists. we are not done a great job when it comes to domestic tariffs, because we're not seeing something and then saying something. we're seeing a, i think, but we're not saying it. >> one of the things i learned

from the sandy hook parents who have formed all these activism groups is that every single school shooter, without fail, sense of warning signs beforehand. there's never been one that did it silently. they all sent of warning signs that we need to be better trying to see them. but with this guy, he was not a member of the community. this is a hard. won his father, from the reporting that's happened today, we know that his father felt that he was in the middle of a meltdown of some kind, a mental meltdown ever since his mother died, the shooter's mother died, and he would stay in his room, and his father would try to get him out. his father will try to get into the doctor. he stopped communicating, but only come out to a, it's hard to ask a parent to be equipped to know what to do about that, what is the answer there? >> yeah, you're right. we saw that with sandy hook, when the parent is the one that is there. look at what happened with sandy hook, the shooter killed his mother first, and 10% of the situations, they kill a

family member before they go out and commit the act of violence. it kind of a takes a village kind of concept. even though this individual was a part of our sport in community, this individual was part of other communities, whether that was in the neighborhood or work situation. most of these people do work, and you are absolutely right about what the sandy hook parents told you, it's so true to form. fbi research showed that the concerning behaviors, because that is what we are looking for, concerning behavior, concerning behaviors for students, for school shooters, who are students, 92%, of those students telegraphed, they lead by words, lead what they would do to somebody, but it did not get back to the right authorities, and i think that i would follow one other thing about, that the thing is that everybody wants to say, i don't think he meant it, i don't know

what is the big deal. he is kind of a grouchy guy. he is always like that, or has been a brat work. those are excuses that we give ourselves to not report something, and what i would say to everybody who might know about somebody that they are concerned about because their behaviors have changed, or they have high in concerns about them. if you have spidey sense is that tells you that this guy or gal, but most are guys, this guy is not right, and there is something bad, report. report it to a tip line because you don't know, and in michigan, that would be safe to tell. other states have different once. fbi has a tip line. report it because you don't know what law enforcement has already on file about the person. you don't know what other agencies have on file, and if we don't have those pieces, we can piece it together. >> understood, it will take all of us to be more proactive for sure, because they are not going away.

catherine, thank you so much for being here with their experience. >> thank you. >> i want to bring and now carrie sheffield, senior fellow at the independent women form, joe oldman, if former prosecutor and cnn anchor, john berman. so there's got to be a solution to school shootings there, just has to be. i spoke to david out from parkland, one of the many parkland survivors, and he said we can put a man on the moon, we had to be able to solve school shootings. i appreciate who we just talked to, draws a distinction in machining between those that are going related, those that -- those that are big city crime and school shootings. let's just tackle one. we can fix all of that tonight, let's tackle one. so school shooting seems like a good place to start because they are so shockingly common. so, do you have a solution? >> i think that nationally, we are not taking the issue seriously enough. we have a federal agency that is very well funded to make our safer, we have seatbelts, we have our backs, but we don't have the federal agency that's

really looking at the issues surrounding gun violence in schools and elsewhere. we need firearms safety administration that is well funded. the atf and department of alcohol, tobacco and firearms should focus on firearms crimes pushed into agency with more agents to do more enforcement. more regulation, more enforcement, and that may not solve the problem, but if that agency also studied specific examples that we've seen across the country, they can also make school safer, so we need to tackle that a federal level. >> carrie, thoughts? >> i think you can have the policies, and that is an important thing, but there are other things as well. one that you mentioned, the school shootings, so after sandy hook, there was a see something, anonymous reporting system, where people can report what is happening and exactly what catherine, the fbi agent, which the interview mentioned. if you see something, you should see something, and what this up does is allow you to not officially say something. only 7% of schools have it

downloaded and are using it regularly. they said it has prevented 13 school shootings, 400 students caught the putting suicide to receive help. i think that is a big thing that barack if we can be done pretty easily. it's a low bar. everyone can get an app on their phone easily. there's a program called rituals challenge, which was developed by the father of the first columbine victim, and it's trained 30 million students and teachers. it teaches anti-bullying, empathy, because as captain mentioned, a lot of these individuals, they are mentally disturbed, they've been bullied, they've been ostracized, so it's a two-way street in terms of helping them bring into the fold, helping them feel empathy, in a mutual way. >> there's a pattern for sure, but as i was telling her, i don't know if parents or any of us are equipped to know, certainly in the case of sandy hook, when you have a kid who is completely not communicative and assure him self in the room, how you're supposed to re-incorporate that person? this shooter also sounds like something was going wrong.

the father was trying. >> i think that is where the federal policy comes in on the mental health piece of it, because our mental health system is, for example, with the michigan shooter, he basically devolved when his mother died of a stroke in 2020. his teeth fell out, refused to get a haircut, refused to go to the doctor, you cannot unless you go to court, is a father gonna force him to go, unless he gets custody. is so hard to get custody of people are mentally ill and incapacitated because of our federal policies. >> john, dots? >> when you say we have to be able to solve this, the question is who is the we hear? right, because i think for the last several years, decades, people up and looking to congress to fix this, and they've shown not that they can't but they won't step in and try to take action. this past year, they did pass the most substantive gun control legislation that they have gun safety legislation that they have in a generation, with the safe community act. we did address those red flag

laws, and that is an area where i think there is promise that we, all of us, not just congress, being involved in. there are states, not all of them, but states that do have these red flag laws, and now the issue, as carrie rightly pointed out, is how are they implemented, and we are learning. mostly through failure, as we saw in colorado and with the shooting there. there are red flag laws in place that have not worked yet, but you can tweak them and make them better, and i think there is hope, or we should hope that we can make them more effective than they are now because at least that will do something. >> absolutely. again, i don't know if we cure everything overnight but everything the core mentally we can do we must do. this is also very interesting. the washington post today, they talked about the ripple effect, the traumatic ripple effect. so our hearts bleed obviously for the victims of these shootings that have died, but even the survivors are never the same after this, and so i

don't think we've ever seen it quantified before, the numbers of how fast this problem is, but since columbine, the washington post looked at how many kids have been at school when there was a school shooting and have the residual effect of it. in 2018, that's the date of the parkland shooting, there were 187,000 kids in america who had been at school during a school shooting. now, five years later, exactly today, it's almost doubled, 338,000 kits, and they carry all of the motion of wounds, and they will never be the same. >> but this kind of goes to the point, have we may not be able to solve every problem, not going to keep a can out of everyone's hand, but the the scientific american and cdc put a study showing that gun safety laws actually result in fewer gun deaths, and in those states that have no gun safety laws, no gun control laws, they are just more killings per capital.

gun violence has outstripped the traffic accidents now for the last 15 years. so, what we can talk about all these policies to try to identify these troubled kits, i might get into this. unless we get the guns and make them safer, this is just going to keep happening, and the shootings are going to keep getting bigger and bigger. >> no conversation can amid guns, i would say. that has to be a part of the conversation. whatever the solution will be, you can't ignore that we are awash with guns. thank you all very much for your perspectives. next, it's the biggest culture war, buzzword, in the country, but what does it really mean when we say, woke? people have a lot of different definitions. we will discuss. ♪ ♪ engineered to elevate the senses - touch, sight, sound, and scent. it's the electric that recharges you.

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culture? christina now tried to answer that on face the nation. here's what he had to say. >> it's the -- that dishonest goes by and our communities, where it is me versus you, where if you are not hearing to my ideals then i will cancel you. it is the first step, this binary where everyone is woke. that is a culture problem to fix in america. that's a good leadership, good messaging, we're hopeful and optimistic, but government never solves a culture problem. >> back with me, carrie sheffield, former congressman mondaire jones and john berman. honestly, congressman, we are so rhetorically tangled up in this, point i've lost cancel -- track of who's canceling who. i can't remember, anymore because the republicans decry cancel culture, but it's people like governor ron desantis would keep canceling curriculum, books, different teachers. what does woke cancel culture

to you? can you define? it >> respectfully, i would push back on a concept that does not actually exist, right? far be for me to try to rationalize the nonsense that i hear from my former republican colleagues and people leading the party. i think what it really means is anything that makes them uncomfortable and that they don't like, and specifically, in the political context, that can be weaponized to do the same kind of dividing that we just heard chris sununu denounce on television, unfortunately. when you are banning books, when you are banning the use of the word gay in school settings, which is worse is an entire community of people, when you are saying that you want to transform certain universities into other kinds of universities, and even compost that through firing board of just the members, this is all stuff to is in furtherance of ginning up a fear within some segments of society and the hope that that will translate

into votes for. you >> gary, that's not how you see it? >> i do agree that it's about translating fear into votes, and what it is trying to translate is, i would describe the leftist trying to cancel western civilization, trying to cancel the fundamentals of what america was built upon, trying to say that america's founding was inherently to preserve slavery. that's what the 1619 project which was funded in by the new york times and one pulitzer prizes. it's a joke historically, a historical, it's not true. >> i hear you, but let me just say, are we getting to a point where people like governor desantis are not allowing any sort of black history, and ap black history course he wants to be eradicated from high school, isn't that important to have that part of history? >> no, what he did with that specifically is to say that black lives matter theology, if you will, is going to be optional. they will not be mandated because there is no balance in the curriculum of crtc and of the curriculum of black lives matter. there is no mandating of equal

treatment of black conservatives, for example. okay, clarence thomas, projectile this, black and survives, they are given short shrift, there is no bounce in the curriculum, so he says, i don't believe a curriculum should be teaching children to hate each other and to divide people on levels of privilege, that is a rejection of dr. king stream. that ultimately to me -- >> it seems like he's getting rid of it with a broad brush stroke. >> just to make a number of factual corrections here. he did not say anything about black lives matter being optional, he said it can't be taught, and then it was the college board that made the wrong decision of saying, well, it is not a response to what florida is doing, but we know is in response. >> it was before -- >> if you let me finish, and so what ended up happening is that, that was optional. look, there is no requirement that certain topics be given the same amount of time in terms of their coverage, great? you can't just pretend like the black lives matter movement, which we know now is the

largest social protest movement possibly in american history is something that like you just don't get to cover because it makes you, as a white conservative on constable, that is not the way teaching history works. we have to grapple with things that make us accountable. i agree, people should learn about clarence thomas's way of thinking and black conservatism. i don't see the college board ap african american study course denying the opportunity if people take a class. >> john, i am unfamiliar with ron desantis, with which history and african american application. i don't know what his area of expertise is there. he's getting everything in the world by having this discussion. i'm glad that there is not serious issues facing the state of florida or other states in the country are united states of america right now where there is not more time being used to discuss those things. look, this means whatever you want to me. i don't even try because, i

don't, it's being used by people as a political watch, period, full stop. if the goal is to teach the best african american studies course, then get the best african american studies scholars in a room, work it out, do it, that's the solution to the halting, and the last point, chris sununu, i was branching last sunday, so i missed face the nation. >> typical -- >> i saw the, and i've seen the court now six times, and i still want to know the context around it, because when you just see the core read the quote, i don't know what side he's talking about. part of me, oh, he's coming down and defending run desantis are going after, of ocean to quote so i don't know. you can take it either way. >> we are so contorted with whatever book is and cancel culture, again, i don't know who is canceling who. >> look, the problem with black lives matter, again, i would call ideology, it's a belief that's not been based on facts. >> the algae is a religion --

>> excuse me, you said i interrupted to, let's be fair here. >> sure -- >> so the cofounder of black lives matter, their movement, i think less distinguish between the fraser concept of black lives, they matter. they matter, obviously, but the organization, the actual people who run it, they are fraudulent. they've been tried by the irs to say that you are making people for millions of dollars and patrice coolidge, one of the founders of it, she has said explicitly, i am a trained marxist, so it is a political ideology that you are trying to force on young children in order to divide people by skin color. that is deeply problematic, and a is ideological in nature and not natural history. >> as someone who represented many hundreds of thousands of people in new york's 17th congressional district, i can assure you that the many thousands of white parents that took to the streets with their white children in support of black lives matter did not necessarily associate with these handful of people who took credit for funding this movement. they were doing this in

furtherance of police -- rational police reform and other racial justice causes that are why the, when you do the polling, supported by the american people, even of certain policies bristles annoy supported by the american people. >> france, thank you very much, for all your perspectives. meanwhile, press on capitol hill today, calling on lawmakers to do something about the scourge of cyberbullying and what is doing to their kids. we have to hear the stories next.

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>> parents on capitol hill today demanding that lawmakers do something about the dangers that kids face online,

especially cyberbullying. this is a new survey from cdc finds teenage girls are experiencing more feelings of hopelessness and more violence. cnn's brianna killer has more. >> this is my son, carson bright, beautiful blue eyes and amazing smile -- >> kristen bright is a number of a growing number of parents who lost a child to cyber bullying. her 16-year-old son carson died by suicide in 2020, after he was arrested on a snapchat integrated app that allowed users to send anonymous messages. >> i will talk to the complete shock and horror that carson had hung himself in our garage why we slept. we discovered that carson has received nearly 100 negative, harassing, sexually explicit and emulating messages, including 40 and just one day. >> she's part of a group that testified on capitol hill about the dangers children face online. >> the constant exposure to

unrealistic body standards and harmful recommended content let me towards disordered eating and severely damaged my sense of self, and there, i remained for over three years. mindlessly scrolling for 5 to 6 hours a day. >> the hearing coming just one week after president biden's call to action during his state of the union address. >> we must finally hold social media companies accountable for running children for profit. >> the ubiquity of social media and kid's lives and the vehicle it provides for cyberbullying are also getting renewed attention as the cdc unveils a new report, it shows significant declines and youth mental health and a crease suicide risk in 2021, especially among girls. >> the levels apartment to hug and suicidal thoughts and behaviors reported by teenage girls are now higher than we have ever seen. >> and as the story of adriana

kuch, a 14 oh student in new jersey, who was attacked by four other teenagers and her school's hallway, has stunned the nation. video of her attackers posted to tiktok. her father said she died by suicide the following evening. >> getting hit in the face with a water bottle did not hurt indiana. what her gianna was the embarrassment and humiliation. they just kept coming at her. >> the social media platforms are operating in the days of the wild west, and anything goes. >> republican senator, marsha blackburn and democrat richard blumenthal are reaching across the aisle to try to get legislation passed, after a failed last year. >> protecting our children is not a partisan issue. >> i hope that outrage will finally be channeled and to overcoming, here's the really important point, the armies of lobbyists and lawyers that big tech has mustered to counter

and that this legislation, no more. >> there is absolutely no way that anyone parent can feasibly manage to fire hose online harms that are being directed at our kids every day. we need help from the federal government, and we need it now. >> what is clear from today's hearing and this new cdc report is that america's kids are at a crisis point as they are navigating a sometimes perilous online world. a world we never had to deal with when you were kids, but we're having to figure out as parents, alison? >> rihanna, thank you for that report. back with me, now jim walden, mondaire jones and joining us, new york times i'm goldberg. emma, how heartbreaking and awful to see all these stories. there have been studies that show that when you add public humiliation and embarrassment, it compounds depression and makes people more suicidal. that's what social media does. >> i was stunned when i saw the research on what young women

are experiencing right now. there is new research issued in 2021, three in five young women were experiencing persistent sadness, and one and three young women seriously considered attempting suicide, and when you think about, it's never easy to be a teenage girl. there are social comparison, body image disorders, all sorts of sources a stress, and then it there on top of the, the isolation of the pandemic and then social media is like gasoline on a screen. it's so hard to avoid the compounding of depression and banks, but it's really alarming to see it laid out and the data, and i think it raises the question of what the companies are going to do. how are they going to answer to the increasingly strong connection that's been john between rising mental health problems and what their platforms are enabling. >> yeah, jim, you have daughters, it's not a mystery anymore. we actually see in the grass, that the spike of teenage girls depression, anxiety, goes up

the year that social media sort of hit and became ubiquitous. there is a direct correlation. people have studied this. on balance, i think we would have to conclude, it hasn't been good for teenagers to have this kind of access to social media. >> no, i totally agree with you, and at the end of the day, we can to cry big tech, we can blame politicians, we can blame school initiatives, but at the end of the day, the book stop to the parents, and unless there is some amount of control that comes over what your kids get access to, you can't be really surprise, when you allow them to have unrestricted access without any controls, and then the axis ups. that's not the entire solution, there are other fixes that need to be made, but the parental discussion with the parents has to be part of the solution. >> yes, but i did not know when i let my kids on social media that the algorithms were praying upon them. i did not know how pernicious the algorithms were programed to feed them discourage.

>> and you won't be able to control whether someone else using the same app is pulling your child, right? i think there is definitely a role for more parental involvement in so many instances, but i think to the point of someone being interviewed earlier in the segment, we have to make sure that we are holding these tech companies accountable. i say this is somebody who served on the anti-trust committee, who sought bipartisan support. when you see that in congress for regulating big tech, for making sure the companies are held liable if they don't do the kind of common sense content moderation that we would expect of reasonable people and of reasonable companies. unfortunately, the tech lobbyist one, and it did not even get a floor vote and united states and, despite the fact i think it would've passed the united states senate, given the post that were available. >> my theory is that future generations will come to see social media at the way that my kids see smoking cigarettes.

my kids, when they see someone smoke a cigarette, they think they are shooting up with heroin. they put it in that exact same category and put the, me why when you were guys were teenagers, did you smoky quartz? if you know it was bad for you. it was like, yeah, we did, but it was everywhere, and it was so on the present to everyone today. i think that's what their kids will say about social media. why did you use it? then if you don't have that it was? my teenage daughters have said, we will not let my kid sees this. >> it's gary, i remember when i grew up, there are websites like form spring, tumbler, so many points for young women to compare themselves, and not there is all of that ten acts. metallic the research that shows that gay and lgbtq youth typically vulnerable in the new cdc research. >> i was about to say, according to the trevor project, and the year 2041, 45% of the non lgbtq+ people come to put this aside. think about the kind of people who are the typical targets of bullying in our society, women, lgbtq plus people, people of

color, it just compounds a situation that already existed when akin to -- >> what is the answer to that? >> i think there is no one answer. obviously, i think members of society, private individuals have to do their part in condemning a speech and other forms of bullying. these companies have to do more to intervene so that it is less likely that there is bowling going on in the first place. it's so that the algorithms are not targeting people who are boo-booed are society and then, i think with obviously elevate this stuff and to people's minds because it's a lot of folks who don't have children or who understandably are very busy trying to put food on the tables for their kids are not necessarily always thinking about what their kit is looking at an instagram. >> of course, there is a lot of work to do. france, thank you very much. if you or anyone you know needs help, call cortex the suicide and crisis lifeline at 988. you can visit 988 lifeline torque as well. you can stay anonymous.

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>> why are so many distressed whales washing up on the east coast lately? since december 1st, at least 15 whales have been stranded on the north atlanta coast. humpback whales, sperm whales, even the endangered north atlantic right whale. four wales have been stranded in virginia in just the past few weeks. 11 whale stranded in new jersey in new york. so, what is going on? let's bring in wildlife biologist jeff or when. jeff, always great to see. let's start with new jersey.

nine humpback whales, to sperm whales, is there a pattern here or the reason they're washing up, or are they all different? >> well, certainly alisyn, when you look at that map you just add up, we're starting to see some sort of pattern. and you can see the numbers expand almost exponentially as they gravitate north. and if everyone watches right now, you focus at that top narrow, that little point, right at that little point by the horn of cape cod, do you see that little area? >> yeah. >> that is, basically, if you look at the lowest humpback on the second shelf, that is where they are going. this is nirvana for whales. and many species, particularly the humpback and the right whales, go to this region known as stelle lakin bank. what these whales are doing is they're migrating from the winter grounds, were females gave earth, where breeding takes place, and then they go to their feeding grounds.

in this case, stella wagon bay. now, whales are feeding up and along the eastern coastline, clear on past the carolinas. but you find this incredibly focused concentration on still wagon bank because of the incredible amount of resources there, alison. they're coming to, feet on all that plankton, it's what brings the birds and the tuna and the sharks. but here's the thing, in order for that humpback whale to get to stellwagen bank another feeding zones, they have to cross shipping lanes. when they cross shipping lanes, they increased the opportunity that they will be hit by a large tanker type vessel, which is what accounted for the deaths of the most recent whales that we've seen. >> but is that what killed all 11 of them? >> well, it may not be what has killed all of them. but we know that right now being struck by a ship is one of the greatest challenges to

the survival of migratory whale species, especially. so, keep in mind where these whales are going. in order to get to beautiful pristine cape cod, they have got to go through the maelstrom of of an urban metropolis, which is new york, with all of those ships moving back and forth along the new jersey coastline. but it's not just being struck by ships. they have to deal with entanglements from wayward, or what we call those nets, they have to deal with the ingestion of plastics. and in some, cases there could be disease. the latest whale to wash up, i, believe was a 35 foot in length female, which tells me that length, she's probably a sub adult or juvenile. when you look at the amount of whales that do die, oftentimes you see a higher amount that are younger whales that are less experienced when it comes to navigating, when it comes to

feeding, all sorts of things. >> okay, because there are a dozen mayors along the new jersey coast that have a different theory. here is the letter they wrote this week. they say the unprecedented number of whale strandings coincide with ongoing activity from acoustic survey vessels for the development of offshore wind. well we are not opposed to clean energy, we are concerned about the impact these projects may already be having on our environment. so, is it possible that wind farm projects are killing these whales? >> well, i would not say a wind farm project could kill whale. but technologies to find locations that are using incredible state-of-the-art technologies, like radar or sonar, could potentially impact what we would call echo location. many whale species find their

way through a very murky world, which is liquid, by sending out high frequency sound waves, which then come back and give them their own internal type of radar. the whales that usually do that are like, would be like the sperm whales or the purposes. so, there have been some studies to indicate that competing radar signals can interfere with their ability to navigate or find room when they're using echo location. that is different than to blame a windmill, or purposely anchored on a permanent platform from impacting the whale. and a lot of people are kind of mixing that up. >> yeah, but still connected. in terms of if they're using sonar to create the wind farm there, they're still connected. but basically they want the wind energy project in new jersey, what they say there, officials say is if they're using levels of sonar, they are prohibited from using the levels of sonar that are so loud they could be fatal to

whales. so, that's just one theory. very quickly, is the same thing happening in virginia? why are those whales getting stranded? >> again, when they do the necropsy's of the whales, at least the ones i've looked at, a number of these whales had those necropsy's. and a necropsy is an autopsy for an animal. we're seeing that these animals have been impacted by usually by a ship strike. that's not to say that there could be some sort of detrimental factor coming from some sort of radar being delivered by high technology. that could be a player in it. i don't have the evidence to say it is or it isn't. but i'm not going to blame the turbine energy producing windmill on it. but we do see that with other species. for example, with birds, when they're migrating in a place with an ill placed will farm, it can be very catastrophic for the survival birds.

but as for a sedentary wind farm, once it is established, not including the technology that's -- there, i don't see how that would impact the survival of a whale. >> i hear you. but also if there is evidence of a ship strike, and that is different than the sonar being used for a wind farm. but it sounds like we just have to investigate more, because it is horrible what's happening and how many there are. jeff corwin, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we now know the winner of the record breaking two billion dollar plus jackpot. we will tell you who it was, next.

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