georgia, and even some of those storms heading up into the ohio valley. so a spring type storm even though it is winner to the calendar, mother nature doesn't think so. so weather for today all the way to the ohio valley, and yes the snow spreading across the corn belt even back into parts of kansas. and they will take the snow in come coal, because it will end up in lake mead when it melts in the spring. that is great news. but up to the north, there could be snow around chicago andmilwa. spring still up there, spring down here. >> wild. okay. a one-two punch. chad, thank you so much. and thanks for joining me. i'm christine romans. "cnn this morning" starts right now.

people we are hesitant whether we should open the barricade that we set up in the room. >> open it. >> get the. [ beep ] out! >> that's what was happening as all going on. it was horrific. some people lived through it once. others more than once. sadly, we'll talk to some of those people. >> it's unbelievable to think, is it the cop or someone that i should be worried about? is it a threat? >> yeah. so, good morning, everyone. poppy is on assignment. lots of questions, right? what would you do in that situation during a mass shooting? dozens of michigan state students barricaded in their classroom when there was a knock on the door, was it the police or the killer? yet again, president biden

demanding action on guns to stop the bloodshed. why did the gunman have a pistol if he already been arrested for a felony gun charge? >> great question. we'll look into it further in the show. also this morning, the race for the 2024 gop presidential nomination is about to get a start with nikki haley entering the ring with her official announcement expected to happen hours from now. how many more republicans are going to challenge donald trump for that nomination? and could a crowded primary field help him? >> a the ho of people up on that screen. oh, my gosh. okay, plus, a major escalation in the legal battle over the classified documents at mar-a-lago. there is evidence of a crime and trying to force trump's attorney to testify. we're going to get to all of that. we'll begin at michigan state. there are two big questions this morning after the mass shooting monday on campus. what was the shooter's mote sniff s -- motive and should he have had a gun given his prior firearms

charge? we've seen this before. another mass shooting, another call for action from the president. watch. >> there is one thing we do know to be true, we have to do something to stop gun violence ripping apart our communities. >> and the michigan state community ripped apart right now. we now know the names of the victims, 20-year-old brian frasier, 19-year-old arielle anderson and alex ander burner. i want to get to adrian now. she is an alum of michigan. she's in east lansing right now with more. good morning. so what do -- what new details do we know? are police sharing the motive of the gunman? what's going on? >> don, good morning to you. police don't know what the motive is. however, they say they discovered a note in the shooter's pocket targeting not

one but two schools in new jersey. and as people cope with what happened here on campus at michigan state university, also known as msu, they're really trying to understand what led to all of this. >> reporter: how many more? that's the message that reads on a rock at michigan state university that has turned into a memorial for victims of monday night's shooting. >> i don't know if you ever truly heal from it. but i think that we just have to support each other as much as possible. >> reporter: some parents reuniting with students tuesday as the campus begins to heal and loved ones mourn the loss of arielle anderson, alexander burner and bryan frasier. a vigil shelled in grosse pointe, michigan, for frasier monday night. he was a sophomore at msu and president of the michigan beta

chapter of his fraternity. a junior was also from grosse pointe. >> it touched our community not once but not twice. >> verner also a junior and star athlete at her high school. >> she was special. and that's what we honor. >> we're struggling here at the high school. al was an incredible person. >> she lived through two school shootings. one at msu and one at oxford high school in 2021. >> this can't possibly happen again. there is no way. you know, i'm an engineer. there is no way. and then you say well it did. so what does that mean? what it means is that we're failing people like my daughter. we're failing students. >> reporter: this as new video shows the moments students were hiding in a classroom. [ beep ] get down! >> they said don't open the door! >> reacting to a knock while on the phone with police.

the shooter's motive is still unclear. according to police, they're now investigating a two page note found in the gunman's backpack saying he's going to, quote, finish off lansing and there are, quote, 20 of him who will carry out other shootings according to a source familiar with the investigation. law enforcement now investigating a local residence where the gunman's father said he lived with him. the shooter purchased two handguns in michigan in 2021. a law enforcement source tells cnn -- >> we have at least one weapon. >> reporter: despite the tough circumstances, there is one greeting among u.s. spartans that still united states them. >> go green! >> go white! >> you smiled instantly. >> yes. horrible and disgusting and tragic as that was. we are all in it together. >> and those are four words that connect people. not only here on campus but i can be walking down the streets of chicago or anywhere, quite frankly, and if someone is wearing msu shirt or cap, you shout out go green.

if they're a spartan, they will respond with that go white. it's been comforting especially as they learn more details about this 43-year-old shooter. investigators not only told us about that note i shared with you, but his father told cnn his son changed over the last two years following the death of his mother. saying he became isolated, bitter, and angry. and as folks stop by the spartan statue here at the center of campus, the statue is a symbol of strength. that's something folks here need now more than ever. >> you mention the words, everyone is wondering is why. why? hopefully they'll get to the bottom of it. thank you very much. look at this picture that we have from the michigan state campus in the hours after the shooting. you can see that young man there highlighted on the right side of the screen. he is wearing an oxford strong sweatshirt. oxford, that's in reference to high school. that is near detroit. as many of you know, a gunman

killed four students and wounded seven other people just 15 months ago. that student says he got the t-shirt at a fund-raiser but underscores the reality that she is referencing there that some of the people, some of the students survived not one but two mass shootings. >> for me, the most haunting picture of last night was watching the cameras pan through the crowds and seeing a young person wearing an oxford strong sweatshirt. the sweatshirts handed out after those kids lived through a school shooting 15 months ago. and we have children in michigan who are living through their second school shooting in under a year and a half. >> joining us now is one of those students, a student traumatized by the mass shootings at michigan state and at her high school, oxford high school, eva ferguson. i'm so glad you're here with us this morning. you're so young. you're my little brother's age. he's a freshman in college. and i know you had been --

oxford high school was your high school. you've been on this campus for weeks and now another shooting has happened. what was going through your mind? >> i was flabbergasted to say the least. after oxford, they said that this wasn't going to happen again. we were going to be safe going back to school. and that's just not the case. the other night i was in shock. i didn't think it was real, honestly. >> did you know any of the victims? >> at oxford, i did nomad i son -- know madison but at msu i didn't know any of them. >> were there similarities to how you were alerted? did you get anything from the school? was there a mass alert or anything that went out? >> there was an e-mail that went out to a lot of the students who had signed up for the safe msu

app. >> eva, what is it like to be on campus, to have to call your parents again to talk about the message that's you're getting from officials, what you're seeing on social media and hearing from friends about the cop cars that were on campus? >> it was like trauma titizing over again. at the time we didn't know information. i didn't know where the shooter was. i thought i was in imminent danger. yeah. it was horrifying. >> you are going to see someone? -- are you going to see someone? >> pardon? >> are you going to see someone or talk to someone like a counsellor? >> yeah. after oxford i was going to a therapist for a while. and then i stopped. but right now i actually am seeing a therapist. >> you are. listen, this is what the text

message from the school said. the protocol, i think is run, hide, and fight. what do you think of that guidance? there were people in a classroom and someone knocking on the door. they didn't know if it was police or not. what do you think of the guidance you got and getting from these -- in these situations? >> i think that those are very -- like -- what's the word? understandable, good thicngs yo should be doing. it's important to not shut down and to save yourself. and to fight for everyone around you and not let someone like that get what they want essentially. >> i just want to talk about how amazing you are and what you've been through. not only did you have the shooting at your high school and you just experienced this one at michigan state, you're also a cancer survivor. you had only been at campus a few weeks. this is supposed to be one of

the most exciting times in your life, you're going to college. you have this big moment. you accomplished that. do you feel like the system failed you given that this happened to you twice? >> 100%. there should have been laws made years ago when sandy hook happened and it never did. i feel like now's the time people need to start realizing there is people dying every day because of gun violence. and something needs to be done about it. >> absolutely. eva, you are really brave. we're really glad you came on to talk about this. you're right, it's unfair you've gone through this and no one your age should have to go through this. no one should. we're very glad you came on to talk about it though. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. >> thank you. not once but twice. and she's not the only one. there are others who have gone through it more than once. look, i can't imagine what i would do in this situation. we were asking each other if you -- would you open the door

if there was a knock and they said it is police, let me in. i don't think i would trust. that even though they may there be to save me. i don't know. i can't imagine being in that situation. >> she's so young. my little brother just turned 19. >> do they talk about it? >> it's just what they've grown up with. and they do get that training. the fact she's been through it before. but to hear her dad talking to allison last night and saying we just couldn't believe that you think he says it was mathematically impossible it could happen to their daughter again and now it did. >> and she's right. something has to be done. the system did fail her. yeah. we're going to talk about south carolina. taking you to south carolina where donald trump's first major 2024 challenger is about to kick off what could be an incredibly contentious race to be the republican nominee for president. hours from now nikki haley is set to give her official announcement speech in charleston. the same nikki haley that said she would never run against her former boss. her announcement video of the former u.n. ambassador and governor didn't mention donald

trump p byby name but pointed o how he won two popular elections. the big question now is how many more republicans will take on trump? there is a wide field of potential candidates including some polling ahead of nikki haley like rick desantis. we saw a lot of faces out there today about potential candidates. but we know one right now is nikki haley. take us to the scene. what is going on? >> yeah. that's right. nikki haley here in south carolina today to launch her presidential campaign. it is her home state. it is a critical state on the pathway to becoming president. the third state to vote as part of a republican primary. but, don that, process doesn't begin for a year now. nicky nikki haley is looking to identify herself ahead of the pack. >> i'm nikki haley and i'm running for president.

>> reporter: nikki haley telling her story to the people for the first time. >> i was the proud daughter of indians, no the black, not white, i was different. but my mom would always say your job is not to focus on the differences but the similarities. and my parents reminded me and my siblings every day how blessed we were to live in america. >> reporter: the 51-year-old casting herself as the future of the republican party. >> it's time for a new generation of leadership. >> reporter: urging the gop to chart a new course. >> republicans lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections. >> reporter: and highlighting her accomplishments as a two term governor. >> every day is a great day in south carolina. >> reporter: cutting taxes and leading her state through the aftermath of the 2015 deadly shooting by a white supremacist

at the mother emanuel church. >> we turned to god. >> reporter: she spear headed efforts to remove the confederate flag from the state capitol. >> i could not look my children in the face and justify it standing there. >> reporter: haley also nodding to her experience on the world stage as u.s. ambassador to the united nations. >> china and russia are on the march. they all think we can be bullied, kicked around. you should know this about me. i don't put up with bullies. and when you kick back, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels. >> reporter: but no mention of former president trum hop who happened her for that role. prompting praise from republicans. >> she has all the qualifications to run for president. >> reporter: even as some are concerned that a crowded primary could benefit former president trump. >> to see someone, you know, see some of the leadership coming out of south carolina is exciting. i do have concerns if there are

too many people on the ballot by the time it gets to south carolina that, you know, that lessens the chances of anyone coming out in this thing. >> now we're learning that the mother of an american who you remember was detained in north korea and returned to the united states in 2017 only to die days later, she's going to be one of the people introducing nikki haley on stage today. she credits haley with giving her the strength to stand up to the north korean regime. after her conversation with nikki haley in 2018, she was the ambassador to the united nations at the time, she went from survival mode to fighter mode. she's a story we'll look for on stage today. kaitlan? don? >> thank you. i appreciate it. all eyes on south carolina today. the interesting thing is, you know, i said yesterday, you can't deny her resume. right? she has a great resume. there are other things that are

going to be trouble for her. chief among them, donald trump and her association with donald trump. and also what appears to be her sort of having doing both sides on everything. she's on both sides of the fence when it comes to election deniers. she didn't challenge trump's election denialism sh. she was credited for taking the flag down in south carolina. people looked at that as a symbol of heritage and so on. so i think people are going to have to pin her down where she actually stands on these issues, especially now. she's putting her hat in the ring. >> she did make it through day one with no donald trump nickname. we'll see what happens. >> it is official? she didn't make it official yet, right? >> it is official. >> right on. this morning, federal prosecutors now say that they believe that a crime has potentially been committed in the investigation of former president trump's handling of

classified documents. here's why we think this. they're asking a court to compel trump's attorney to provide additional testimony and what is key about this is they want to override that sacred right of attorney-client privilege. he appeared before a grand jury for four hours where he didn't answer some questions citing attorney-client privilege. i've been reporting this with the justice department team including none other than senior crime and justice reporter. we're back on the kaitlan-kaitlyn reporting. can we talk about why this is such a big deal? it is resonating in legal circles. they're trying to override attorney-client privilege here. >> right. this is a really serious accusation for the justice department to be making in a very mature investigation, a criminal investigation around these documents at mar-a-lago. when the attorney went into the grand jury, he is representing donald trump throughout the whole mar-a-lago documents issue

as the national archives are trying to get them back, the justice department is trying to get them back. he declined to give answers. there is a fairly obvious next step that they can take to try to get those answers out of them, out of him. and that is to make this aggressive argument in court saying that they believe that they have evidence that there was an intention from donald trump, donald trump and others potentially maybe donald trump and corchran himself that they were trying to further a crime or cover up a crime. that is the sort of thing they're putting in sealed court filings right now. we haven't read the full argument. it's the same sort of level of seriousness that justice department ntwould have been making to get that search warrant. so the fbi could go into mar-a-lago and do this search. but make no mistake. at this point, kaitlan this is about direct conversations between donald trump and his defense attorney as they were dealing with, we know there are

obstruction of justice investigations going on. and the justice department wants more answers about what happened in those conversations between this guy, evan corchran and his client, donald trump. >> yeah. i have a feeling this is going to be quite a fight. obviously, they do not want to give up that right to attorney-client privilege. evan corchran is not the only trump attorney going before the grand jury. a third attorney appeared before the grand jury back in january. what can she provide these other attorneys can't? why did they want to speak to her in addition to evan corchran? >> right. so this is the third attorney. she's a little different than two other attorneys. they have already gone into the grand jury around the mar-a-lago documents. corchran and kristina bobb, they were handling the searches and telling the justice department we searched everything, we don't think we have anything else. and then the fbi came in and found hundreds more classified documents. haba is the chief lawyer leading trump's defense in a civil case

opposite -- or the trump family and the trump business, their defense in, a civil case opposite the attorney general in new york and what she had done was a search of mar-a-lago for that case. that's why they wanted to talk to her. >> all right. great reporting. thank you so much. new this morning, we're hearing audio of f-16 pilots trying to determine exactly what was flying over michigan's lake huron on sunday. recording obtained by a publication that reports on military hardware called the war zone. listen. i see something. i can't tell if it is metallic or what. i can see lines coming down. it's so close. you can see strings or something hanging below it. >> it also obtained audio of pilots shooting down the chinese balloon off the coast of south carolina on february 4th.

>> happening today, senators are expected to get a classified briefing on china after that suspected spy balloon shot down earlier this month. john tester and susan collins introduced a resolution condemning the chinese government for its brazen violation of u.s. sovereignty. that is a quote. lauren fox live on capitol hill this morning. good morning to you. what do we expect the briefings to entail? >> yesterday's classified briefing was really all about those four object that's had been shot down over the last two weeks. today's briefing is especially on china. the broader relationship between the u.s. and that country. expect that the briefers from the pentagon today are going to be telling senators a lot more about the broader relationship

with that country, about china's capabilities when it comes to surveillance and research and very development and the weapons capabiliti capabilities at this moment. one thing you heard from the briefing yesterday was not their concern about these objects being shot out of the sky specifically and that being a threat to the u.s. but they did argue a lot of them remember the cold war. a lot of them remember a long battle with russia over the last several decades. and their concern is they could be entering into that same sort of posture with china. so that briefing to day is going to be a lot broader than what we saw yesterday which was specifically on those objects shot down. >> i want to ask you about senator dianne feinstein announcing she's not going to seek re-election. that opens up a seat, right? what is the reaction on capitol hill to this announcement? >> it's going to leave a huge hole just in her legacy, her capability. she was the longest serving woman senator up here on capitol hill. she also has a legacy of passing

bills that are hard to imagine passing today including the assault weapons ban. in 1994, she worked really hard in 2014 to try to pass that bill once again. ultimately it failed. she has really worked hard on the intelligence space. she was in an elongate the fight with the obama administration to release a report interrogation techniques that told the american public so much more about that era during the bush administration. it is a huge legacy she is leaving behind and a heated up fight up in the senate in california to try to take her spot in the u.s. senate. >> lauren fox, thank you very much. also this morning, coming up on cnn, we're live on the ground in ohio where fish and other animals are getting sick and dying after that toxic and fiery train wreck earlier this month. a question, is it a red flag for the people living nearby now being told to go back to their homes? jason carroll is on the scene with more.

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contaminated there. jason carroll joins us live from east palestine. hello. your photographer had a go pro on as he leaked at nearby streams. what do they see? >> yeah. we were there with them. we kept hearing all the stories, don, about what folks here underground were seeing in the back yards and the streams. we went out there to see for ourselves very zdisturbing to se the dead fish down stream from where we are now popping up in these creeks. so much distrust here on the ground, this after residents were told it was okay to go home. then only to be told their water may not be safe. >> we're strongly recommending those who have not yet had the water source checked to use bottled water and bottled water is being made available. >> reporter: more than a week after a toxic train derailment that led to the evacuation of much of this small ohio town,

state health officials are urging some east palestine residence to drink bottled water until water tests are complete. >> this is going to be particularly important if you are pregnant, if you are breast-feeding or preparing formula for an infant. >> reporter: officials say the toxic spill was largely contained the day after the derailment and that tests have shown the air quality is safe. but they found low levels of contaminants in four nearby waterways spanning 7 1/2 miles including leslie run, a creek which runs through east palestine and neighboring nebbly through the back of kathy reese's property. in the back of your property they found dead fish? >> yeah, dead fish. >> reporter: she has been drinking battled water instead of well water since she started spotting dead fish in the creek following detrothe derailment. she is still waiting for the government to test her water.

>> water wise, no. air wise, yes. there are too many chem sticals they don't want to identify completely. >> reporter: ohio department of natural resources official estimate sometimes 3,500 fish in the state have died following the train derailment. these people saw the flames from their homes and worried their neighborhood still may not be safe. what about testing water or ground? >> nothing yet. i don't recommend you put anything in the ground. vegetables or tomatoes or anything this year. we don't know. >> i don't think they're going to do enough. >> reporter: and some residents say they are frustrate bid what they describe as a lack of communication with officials on the ground. >> we pass all the creeks and there is crew after crew with white hoses and black hoses in the creeks. they're not telling us why. i'm driving my kids to school past this and asking me questions that i don't have answers to. >> reporter: some of the questions unanswered. we found getting information

just as challenging. can you tell me, are they pumping water out or in? >> top of the hill, sir. we're just grunts. >> we're just trying to get a sense what the pumps are? >> norfolk southern can tell you. that is the hotline. they can tell you everything. >> you realize people are calling this number and no one is getting back to them. >> we're just told to direct people to that number. >> reporter: the governor asked by reporters if he would feel comfortable living in east palestine. >> i think i would be drinking the bottled water and i would be continuing to find out what the tests were showing as far as the air. i would be alert and concerned. i think i would probably be back in my house. >> reporter: residents like kathy reese said they were left with few choices. >> just pray and drink bottled water until we know for sure what is going on.

>> the governor also indicated that the train that was traveling through here from norfolk southern was not actually classified as a hazardous materials train. and, therefore, the railroad company, norfolk southern, did not have to notify anyone in the state that it was coming through the state. the governor saying that is something that has got to change. he's going to be talking to congress about it. don? >> after seeing the fish you reported on, how could anyone trust that, you know, everything is okay there, jason? thank you. lots of answers to come. lots of questions and answers to am could, we hope. in our 8:00 hour, we'll speak with ohio governor about jason's story and the growing environmental and health concerns. ahead, we have cnn crews live on the ground in suturkey we're getting a look at the devastation and rescue efforts still under way more than a week after that devastating earthquake.

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york county after nine bad checks with his name on them went to ammish dog breeders in the area. cnn gary touchmuckman has the s. >> we told this ammish farmer we will protect his identity. this father of ten, who we call fred, a man came to his house to buy puppies that he breeds as a side job. >> he seemed uncomfortable and nervous and fidgety. that's when i started getting suspicious. >> reporter: his instincts were correct. these are nine checks. the name on each of them, george santos. the checks to buy puppies obtained by cnn were written to fred and other ammish dog breeders. they total more than $15,000. fred says the man simply knew as george came with a female assistant and they cut their deal in this very room we're standing in, the milk house. he said the man wanted two german shepherds. he said, okay, we're going to

take that puppy and that puppy. and his assistant grabs the two puppies, takes them out the door and he pulls out a check. i was like oh, no. is this guy going to pay me with a check? by then i was very suspicious. >> reporter: because she, you told me before, she put the dogs in the car? correct? >> right. >> reporter: before they paid for them? >> right. >> reporter: so you're suspicious because he's going to pay with a check and you don't take checks. >> i told him i don't take checks. all i can take is cash. well, he said would you expect me to carry enough cash to buy a bunch of puppies on a trip like this? i do not have cash. the only thing i can give you is a check. well, i thought to myself, it looks like i'm done. >> reporter: you're stuck? >> i'm stuck. >> reporter: because the dogs are already in the car. >> the dogs are in the car. >> reporter: you thought they pulled a fast one on you. >> right. was obvious to me they probably pulled a fast one on me.

>> reporter: so you said through the goodness of your heart you'll take the check. >> i said i decided a check is better than nothing. i'll give it a try. >> reporter: and the results of that try, the check bounced? >> the check bounced, right. >> reporter: then you were char charged a fee, too, for depositing a bounced check. p ha have you gotten the money back? >> number. >> you have heard from anybody? >> no. >> three days after all the puppies were purchased, he participated in an adoption at a pet supply store according to a form former owner of the business. that man tells cnn he wrote a check for a few hundred dollars to santos pet rescue charity. elater saw the check online and someone crossed out the charity name and wrote another name that santos used. >> new york republicans are calling you a disgrace. >> we received no comment from santos or his attorney regarding all this. santos was ultimately charged with theft by pennsylvania authorities. but the charge was later dropped

after santos made a claim that somebody stole his checkbook according to a lawyer that is a former friend of his. that lawyer says she no longer believes him. >> he's definitely, you know, not qualified to be where he is in congress. and he should really be in jail. >> this is george santos? >> right. >> do you believe this is the man who bought your dogs and put them in the car and took them away from you? >> i feel it s based on my memory, i say it is. >> fred loves dogs. he has his own and still breeds others. he tried to forget about being fleeced. but santos going to congress made forgetting impossible. >> i'm disappointed that a person like that would have a chance to get into the house of representatives. >> now fred tells me he used to think things like this only happened in the outside world. but today he is aware they happen in his world too. don?

>> gary, you've been doing this for a long time. there is a story after story after story for george santos. good to see you, by the way. i just wonder, do you think that all of these stories and allegations cancel each other out where people are like, well, you know, that may be a concern for people who may have some legitimate issues? >> i think that tends to happen about a particular person. a lot of weird and strange stuff. you start out not paying attention. this story very different and very unusual. all the things that have come up with this man. >> my reaction was you cannot make this up. it is ammish dog breeders? the line, where is it? >> i hope people think i didn't make it up. it all happened. >> a great report. gary tuchman, so nice to have you on set. >> nice seeing you. all right. also this morning, a meltdown and that historic grounding and planes almost colliding twice. what is happening in the aviation industry? what the faa is doing about it. what their response is. we'll tell you next. business i.

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