a very good wednesday morning to you, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm erica hill. we begin this hour with new details about the victims and also the gunman in that deadly mass shooting at michigan state university. first, the three people killed who have now been identified and so young, 20-year-old brian fraser, 19-year-old arielle anderson and 20-year-old alexandria verner. the 43-year-old gunman we've learned apparently did leave behind a note and a criminal history that includes a gun charge, but what is still unknown this morning, the motive, and also how he got the firearm, which was reportedly used in the shooting. >> you look at pictures of their kids you think of their poor families. also ahead this morning, former south carolina governor nikki haley makes the first stop of her 2024 presidential campaign, we're going to take you live to charleston, south carolina, and just in a key report shows that retail sales surged in january, beating expectations. more signs of a very strong economy. we do begin, though, this

morning in michigan with more on the shooting that has left that campus, that community yet one more campus, yet one more community grieving. cnn's adrienne broaddus and josh campbell join us. adrienne, like i said, you look at those pictures of those young people, three young lives snuffed out, their families are suffering, their friends are suffering, what more do we know about them? >> reporter: i think about those parents, parents who will now plan funerals instead of celebrations. i think about my friends who come back and return to campus, normally we come here to celebrate homecoming, but now we are focusing on the victims and recognizing their lives. behind me this is the sparty statue, it's at the center of campus and sparty is known as a symbol -- we heard from the aunt of one of the victims and we're talking about arielle anderson, she was among the killed. her aunt sharing these beautiful

photos saying in part that her family is broken in pieces and she asked the question, have you ever met a person who is simply pure in heart? that was ari who they affectionately called for short. she never raised her voice past a whisper or a gentle laugh. she also called the shooter a coward. the other two who we are remembering, alexandria verner and brian fraser. fraser was the president of his fraternity and verner was a star athlete in her high school. we heard from their coach and superintendent. listen in. >> we're struggling. we are all struggling here at the high school because of what an incredible person that al was. >> she was a gift to this -- this place, to us, and in her 20 years, 15 of which i knew her, met her in in gym when she was

5, she's -- she's a life changer for all of us. >> reporter: and at this hour five other students are still listed in critical condition and thoughts are also with them and their families, four of them had to have emergency surgery following those shootings on monday night. jim? >> adrienne, thank you. josh, there are still so many questions to the why, of course, is chief among them. what more do we know about the suspect here, josh? >> erica, authorities say that the 43-year-old shooter who died by suicide after that self-inflicted gunshot wound had no affiliation with michigan state university. so the question remains at this hour why msu? police say the suspect did have a note in his pocket that threatened other shootings, hundreds of miles away in new jersey, and he reportedly had suffered from mental health issues in the past, but no specific motive yet. now, his father spoke to cnn and described a downward spiral, his

son went into, after the death of his mother. the father told cnn, quote, ever since my wife died my son began to change. he was getting more and more bitter, angry and bitter, so angry, evil angry. he began to really let himself go. the father said the suspect's teeth began falling out, hair began falling out. gun violence researchers tell us in so many of these mass shootings suspects exhibit concerning behaviors prior to their attacks. now the question at this hour, why weren't those concerns reported to police. now, on the weapon used in this attack, authorities are working to determine how he obtained t court records show that he was arrested in 2019 and charged with a felony for carrying a concealed weapon without a pe permit. he later pled guilty to a misdemeanor for possession of a loaded firearm and spent a year and a half on probation, but of course, nice, a misdemeanor doesn't prevent someone from later buying a gun, that requires a felony conviction. >> you might call all those things red flags, right?

>> yeah. >> yet, he got a gun and murdered. thanks so much. in just hours former south carolina governor nikki haley will formally laung her 2025 bid for the white house four years after she resigned as u.s. ambassador to the u.n. underer former president trump. haley is the first republican to challenge her former boss for the gop nomination. >> cnn's kylie atwood is in charleston this morning where haley is set to kick off her campaign officially today. we have a little bit more information about who else will be there with her, kylie, including who is introducing her. what have you learned? >> reporter: yeah, so one of the folks who is going to be on stage introducing the former ambassador to the u.n., the former governor of this state is [ inaudible ] and she is the mother of otto warmbier, he was detained in north korea in 20167, when he was released he tied days later.

sydney warmbier sat down with nikki haley and she credits nikki haley with giving her what she says is the strength is that she needed to actually stand up to the north korean regime after that awful death of her son. she says that after talking to nikki haley she went into fighter mode. so that will be an interesting story for folks in this room to hear today and another person that we will be watching for is ralph norman, he is a congressman from south carolina, he came out just this morning endorsing nikki haley, he is the first member of congress from this state to endorse her, and he has historically been an ally of former president trump who is, of course, nikki haley's contestant in this race and what he said in the statement is that america is better off for what trump accomplished, but he says there is no doubt that a season of change is coming for the party. he thinks nikki haley is the best person to be at the top of the ticket for that season of change, but trump has already

gotten a number of endorsements in this state, of course, including senator lindsey graham, being one of them, and so the question is how much support can she garner, particularly early in this race when folks are really waiting to see how the actual field shakes out right now. some folks who support her say they are just not ready to hop in yet. what we're watching for today is for her to tell her story. we're expecting her to talk about the fact that she grew up here in south carolina, she was the daughter of two indian immigrants, she didn't grow up as black, she didn't grow up as white, she in her words in a video she put out yesterday was different. she will talk about those challenges, but she will also call for the renewal of pride in america, that is something that is a traditional republican value, she will call for fiscal conservatism, securing the border. traditional republican values. and then she will make the case of this need for a new generation of leadership in the republican party, arguing that she has the expertise being a

former two-time governor of this state, to do that job. >> kylie atwood in charleston, south carolina. thank you. joining us to discuss margaret talev and cnn political commentator kristen solstice anderson. she's long appeared to have it both ways, not publicly condemning her former boss' worst faults but also not endorsing them. this is a strategy we've seen other republicans try to carry out. i just wonder does that work in a republican primary? has it proven so far -- obviously we have a long way to go here -- to please anyone? >> nikki haley's campaign should be about nikki haley, it shouldn't be about donald trump. that goes for either condemning or endorsing him. her campaign should be about the things that she wants to do for the country moving forward. she's someone who for over a decade has been talked about as the future of the republican party so it's important for her to make the case that the future

is now. that there is no more time for waiting to turn the page, to move to a new era of winning. she talked in her announcement video yesterday about how republicans have lost seven out of the eight popular votes in the last president elections. it's time to pick someone who can be at the top of the ticket, bring an era of winning to the republican party. that's a smart message for her to embrace. >> she may not want to get sucked into the trump black hole. while she did have a political career prior to donald trump a lot of that career is also tied to the former president. how does she effectively make that break? >> erica, i think that's right, and when you look at the staging of this campaign announcement today you start to see the beginnings of her strategy. you have the mother of a young man who died at the hands of north korea and that woman is saying nikki haley is the person who gave her strength. then you've got ralph norman a member of the freedom caucus and

ally of donald trump saying he's going to stand with nikki haley, it's time for a generational change. then you have the location and my colleague at axios has been sort of looking into this that she is in charleston, she's blocks away from the mother emanuel church where of course those mat shootings at an african american church at the hands of a racist in 2015, not just galvanized the country, it was a national moment of mourning, bipartisan moment for action, but also prompted nikki haley to make what was at the time a very controversial decision in south carolina, at least to take down the confederate flag at the state capitol. in a way she's positioning herself as the next generation and also positioning herself as a return to the old school republican values, honor, strength of country, less of this populism messaging. we will see where it goes. i think her ties for trump are problematic for that narrative, but this is the message she's

trying to convey as she comes out of the starting gate here. >> kristen, one thing this shows is that folks in the republican party will willing to challenge trump for the nomination, you have his former vice president considering a run, tim scott also from south carolina exploring a run, ron desantis certainly not announced in that space. is this going to be a wide open race for the republican nomination? >> well, donald trump starts off with about one-third of the party that is ride or die, they are with him no matter what, no matter who else jumps into the race, they love him, they believe he should have been president after the 2020 election and they want to see him return to the white house. but that's about two thirds of the party left and many of those folks like donald trump, they thought he was a good president, and many of them may ultimately decide to vote for him if there are other options that just don't wind up being as app appealing, but i do think there is an opportunity if the field can consolidate behind one or two really strong candidates as we head into the primary, you know, donald trump may be tempted to run the 2016 playbook

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retail sales numbers go higher, they aren't a justed for inflation. you're looking at huge buying of cars, restaurants and bars. this is reopening-type consumer activity. in fact, when you look at those numbers that 3% gain, that is a big month to month gain for retail sales and that's the biggest since march 2021. so this is a blowout report and it shows us that the american consumer in polls keep saying how lousy they feel about things and they're worried about a recession but they are not acting like it at all. they're spending their money and they have the money to spend. we know that minimum wages rose in a whole bunch of states in the month, we know there was an adjustment in the social security checks because of the cost of living increase, almost 9% cost of living increase. millions of social security checks. we know the job market is still really strong here. all of these factors are really holding up the american consumer and as you know the american economy is held up by the american consumer, two thirds of economic growth is consumer spending. this is a strong number and it raises big questions for the

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trig reasoning a temporary evacuation. the epa told residents it was safe to return home last week. many telling cnn they are worried about what may have been left behind. >> i don't recommend you put anything in the ground. i mean, vegetables or tomatoes or anything this year because we don't know. >> we pass all the creeks and there's crew after can crew with white and black hoses throughout the weeks. they are not telling us why. this is daily. i'm driving my children to school past all of this and they're asking me questions i don't have answers to. >> ohio governor mike dewine was asked on cnn this morning if residents and their water are safe. >> we think these deep wells are fine, but they are not going to have a problem, but we can't tell them that until the tests come back and so waiting for the tests, we've advised drink bottled water. >> the ohio epa's on site coordinator has said he's

confident any residual contaminants are being contained. michael regan joining me now. good to have you with us. a lot of questions, we will try to get as many answered for folks at home as possible. we heard governor dewine stressing that the well water tests are ongoing, early tests have shown it's safe but he said out out of an abundance caution keep drinking bottled water until the testing comes back. was it irresponsible for officials to tell folks they could go home before having those test results? >> good morning, erica. the state has the lead, we are in support, in a support mode. i don't think it was irresponsible. i think that we have deployed lots of assets from the very beginning. i want to thank the emergency responders who have done a great job in ensuring that there's no loss of life. i can say that at epa we have deployed aerial, air monitoring planes, we've deployed mobile vans that are doing air monitoring in these communities,

we also have tested over 460 homes, we will do another 28 today and we are working on scheduling another 27 appointments. we're also supporting the state in its water quality monitoring and i agree with the governor's assessment. remain on bottled water until those tests are complete. >> and he was talking specifically about the well water there. what about rivers and streams? we heard from a resident who says she drives her kids to schools, she sees all of this piping, she sees things happening in the rivers and streams and she can't get an answer as to what is going on there. is that testing? >> you know, we should be able to give an answer. what you're seeing is the government in action. we are testing, we are evaluating, we are inspecting. listen, we understand the fears that the community have. as a father of a 9-year-old son, as a son of parents over 70, these are questions that any person in america would have facing this situation. what we'd like to convey is we understand the concern, but rest

assure local, state and federal officials are devoting vast resources, responding very quickly to these concerns to ensure that communities are protected. >> so you mentioned that that testing is happening up rivers and streams. when will those results be made available? >> you know, erica, as we get those results in and as we confer with the state, those results are being made via the state and federal websites. >> do you have a timeline or a sense, though, for people? i mean, even if you can't give me an exact date will they have them this week? is it next week? how long will they need to wait? >> well, you know, erica, based on the various tests that we're doing as they become available we are making them publicly available. we want to be sure that we do thorough tests and so, you know, i would defer people to the state who has the lead on water updates, but rest assured the federal government is deploying vast resources to support the state in doing these tests.

>> we also heard a gentleman and you may have heard him just before we came to you who said he wouldn't plant anything in the ground for at least a year. he's very concerned about soil contamination. i've spent some time on the local ohio epa website looking at what's being put up by the on site contamination folks. i am not finding in my search information on soil testing. is the soil being tested? >> erica, it is, and let's just -- you know, what we should say up front is we are shifting into the cleanup mode and so, number one, we've issued a letter of liability to norfolk southern. they will be responsible and accountable for this cleanup. and as we do the testing and as we conduct the cleanup we will be able to inform the public as to when it's safe for some of these various activities that they like to pursue. this is fresh and we understand everyone is concerned. >> sure. >> but we are with the community. >> right.

so to that point, and that you will let people know when they can resume some of the activities as you point out, this morning what would you say to that gentleman who told us i wouldn't plant tomatoes for the next year? would you advice that he do do any planting this spring? >> you know, erica, i would be r realistic, this is the fresh site of a disaster and as we go in, as we assess and as we clean up, we want the public to know that when we know they will know. so obviously i would not take any immediate action on a fresh site until the government has the opportunity to go in and invest and clean it up to the appropriate level so that we can ensure public health is protected and lives are protected. >> so i understand this is ongoing and i know that you understand for the folks on the ground they get that, but they also need real answers. this has been a really difficult two weeks for them. do you have any sense given that in your words this is an ongoing cleanup, can you give them any sort of a timeline when you

believe you can say to them definitively it's safe? >> you know, erica, what i would say is this is a fresh accident. we understand the community's angst, we are on the ground, we will conduct the cleanup, but we have to be able to get in and do the assessment. so as the conditions on the ground become safe so that we can put our scientists and engineers not in harm's way, but in a position where they can do their work, we will be then in a position to provide those updates to the public as soon as we can. you know, we're going to keep the public updated. we have people on the ground now. so we want to be transparent, erica. >> so a couple of quick questions before i lose you for timing. you said as the conditions become safe you will send in your teams. are there any areas at this point in time that you believe are still unsafe? >> well, you know, it's an emergency response and so obviously we want to be sure that we do not put anyone in harm's way, including our staff.

>> so is that a yes? >> as we investigate and as we look at the site, we will determine when and how we can get the appropriate staff in to do the appropriate testing. >> okay. well, as we're waiting for that there are also these questions about some 3,500 fish across 12 different spearees that have died in the waterways following the train rederailment. according to the director of natural resources. are there plans to test those dead fish and also reported dead chickens and foxes. >> you know, the state has taken the lead on that. we are providing the support to do the tests, but -- >> so you believe those tests should be done? >> the state has the lead on that. they are conducting the investigations to determine the impacts to wildlife and we will provide as much support to the state as possible, but the state has the lead on that. >> so they have the lead, but have they confirmed to you that they are actually doing that testing? >> they have confirmed to us

that they are investigating and doing an investigation on the impacts to wildlife. >> okay. but not the tests at this point. >> the different types of tests i don't -- the specificity in terms of the types of tests, i don't have that information, but that doesn't mean the state isn't doing it. >> i have to say i was surprised to hear from governor dewine yesterday, he said state officials weren't told that the train was considered high hazardous material train because it was only some, not all of the cars that contained some of these materials. i think most americans look at that and they would be scratching their head, myself among them. if there's even one train car that has hazardous materials, should that not be known? should it not be -- should folks not be made aware? >> you know, i think that's a good question for congress. i can tell you that all of the materials on that train are detectable by our advanced technology, aerial, mobile and stationary. so the chemicals that were on that train we have been able to

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the meat grinder. that's what this is looked at here in the battles on both sides, frankly, a war of attrition. ukrainian officials they have sounded the alarm on strikes in the east, one senior ukrainian diplomate, though, told me there may not be enough manpower to do more than take one or two small cities in donbas, particularly attention around bakhmut in recent weeks. time is key. one reason we're seeing new weapons such as leopard tanks going to ukraine, these are the german leopard tanks, they want to give ukrainians the opportunity to use new weapons now, to take back territory or at least defend territory before russian forces can effectively regroup. officials say right now there is no indication of an aerial assault attached to this, however, lloyd austin says the u.s. needs to remain committed to helping ukraine. >> we do know that russia has a

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years, speaking to mothers who are just in an enormous amount of distress. they are here in ukraine, their children are in those camps in occupied crimea or in the russian federation. this is a complex story, often what happened when russian forces took territory, the new administrators would persuade parents to get those children out of the front lines and into these summer camps. now, they are summer camps, children do activities you would expect even in the u.s. to do these kind of camps, but it is much more sinister. they are forced to sing the russian national anthem, they are taught in russian and it's very difficult once front line moves to get them back to their parents. ukrainian organizations, organizing rescue missions through belarus into russia and into those camps where if they get the right paperwork they can sometimes get those children back, but they say hundreds if not thousands are still in those camps.

this yale university report saying that in the camps there's political reeducation, military training, forceable adoption in some cases and also permanent relocation of these children. this is an extremely important humanitarian issue. the russian embassy in washington saying that these reports and frankly some of our reporting is absurd in their mind. they say they are just trying to keep those children safe, get them out of harm's way and when they can keep them with their family, they do, but in many cases these families are separated. jim, erica? >> world war ii like concentration camps. amaze to go hear. david mackenzie in kyiv, thanks so much. just ahead, the justice department is using aggressive strategy to try to force one of former president trump's attorneys to testify before a grand jury again. more details on prosecutor's plan ahead.

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new this morning federal prosecutors investigating former president donald trump's handling of classified documents are trying to force additional testimony from his lawyer evan corcoran by alleging the former president used his attorney in furtherance of a crime or fraud. >> cnn's senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz is here with more. it's interesting because there had been some thinking that maybe the criminal side of that documents probe was over now, everybody seems to have classified documents, but this would seem to indicate there's something still here. >> yeah, the justice department clearly wants answers, special counsel's office wants answers from the person who was giving advice to donald trump through the course of this after his presidency when they were attesting there were no more documents to be found and then the fbi went in and found

hundreds more. what's happening here, it's under seal so we haven't actually read what the justice department is arguing, but kaitlan collins and i have confirmed that they are saying that they believe that donald trump using his lawyer would be trying to further a crime or covering up criminal activity in those conversations. so the justice department wants to ask more questions of this lawyer, evan corcoran. he has already testified before the grand jury and declined to answer some things saying it's attorney/client privilege. this is the next step in that, trying to get more answers. this is the thing that the justice department doesn't do lightly, they don't wush for attorney answers in this way very often, they have to take it up the chain at the justice department and there is going to be a court is that heavily considers whether or not he's going to have to answer. >> notable, there's something still going on there. katelyn polantz, thanks so much. today former president trump national security adviser john bolton is expected to be briefed by biden white house officials on that suspected chinese spy

balloon as well as other aerial objects shot down by the u.s. in just the last week. while the debris from those three downed objects has yet to be recovered, national security council spokesman john kirby says so far there is no evidence those smaller objects are tied to china's spy program. so what's going on here? joining me now to talk about this is retired major general scott clancy, he is the former director of operations for norad. good to have you on, sir. >> thank you very much for having me. >> so first question, during your time at norad, how many air incursions like this, by balloons, et cetera, operating in this near space space, as they call it, a few miles up, up to just below the level of what we call low earth orbit, did you see? did you see stuff like this during your time? >> while i was director of operations in norad and i was the deputy of commander up in alaska as well, we would launch

not necessarily routinely but every once in awhile we would launch on a radar track that was unknown, that we did not know what it was, whether it was a feed from our norad radars, on the periphery of the continent, or the needs that we get from navcan and faa radars from the interior. >> okay. i wonder as we're now coming to terms with the fact that russia -- sorry, china, with this large surveillance balloon has sent others, not just over north america, but also south america, other parts of the world, is it your view that norad, the u.s., missed a growing threat here? >> i don't think that they've missed a growing threat and the reason why i say that is if you had asked me was i surprised by these events, my answer, no, i'm not surprised by these events. i've been aware because of my position of the intelligence gathering capability of the people's republic of china and russia. principal adversaries to the

security of north america. so have we missed some of the balloons that have come across? i think general van kirk in his briefings at the pentagon statements said yes, categorically we have in the past but we're closing those intelligence gaps. in this instance it was seen. >> china appears to be deliberately exploiting or attempting to exploit this area in altitude known as near space. in your view have they been successful doing so? do we have any sense as to what they've gained by sending balloons like this up there? >> i don't think we have a good sense, but i think that that study started, you know, when i was there at norad and continues on. china is a glowing -- growing, sorry, you know, international power. it has military power that it really is regionally based, while russia has global military power. i think that we're seeing china

advance in these areas and i think our vulnerabilities are going to become more and more important. >> i wonder maybe another way to look at it, does this show strength or weakness by china? does it show that they need to operate closer to the surface and closer to surveillance targets because their satellites cannot gather this kind of intelligence themselves? >> so this is getting after, you know, the principal thing in this puzzle that i think our intelligence services and norad and both governments are trying to figure out from canada and the united states. what's the real intent behind this? we think of this in terms of intelligence gathering, that's highly tactical, what are you seeing? measuring your reactions from norad. but, you know, extrapolate that out to the political and gio strategic level, what does this indicate and our reactions as occidental nations or an incursion across, you know, the taiwan straits? and maybe that's the kind of

test that this is. >> interesting. you think it might be tied to preparations for military action over taiwan? >> what i -- what i think is is that there's the possibility. and this is complete conjecture on my part. but that things like this aren't just about measuring the pure intelligence from the look down capabilities that are on board that air -- that balloon. there is a distinct possibility that this is gauging the coherence, the resilience and the, you know , firmness of bot governments. >> interesting point there, something to watch closely. major general scott clancy, we'd like to have you back because there are still a lot of things to explore here. thanks so much. >> it would be my pleasure. just ahead here, it is a lifeline for patients facing a highly aggressive cancer, but now many are being told there's just not enough medicine for more than half the required doses. so what's behind this shortage?

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thousands of bladder cancer patients are getting only partial treatments now because

of a shortage of drugs, and fleece apparent end in sight. cnn is getting an exclusive first look on the report on the shortage. >> the report shows more than 8,000 patients a year aren't getting the full treatments that they need from the life-saving drug bcg because of that shortage. it is, actually, the drug of choice for a he very common type of bladder cancer. medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joining us now. why the shortage? >> erica, there are shortages of so many different drugs out there, and this is one of them. one of the sponsors of this report says it is heartbreaking talking to patients who are told, well, we should give you for your bladder cancer is this many doses of this drug called bcg, but we can't do it because there's not enough of it. bladder cancer is a -- no cancer is good, this is a particularly terrible one. a 30 to 40% recurrence rate, which is very high. so let's take a look at what's going on with this drug. again, it's called bcg, and some

hospitals say they're just giving fewer doses. they can't give as many as they would like to give so patients are told sorry. some hospitals in this report say they can't give it at all, they have none to give their bladder cancer patients. you ask why, what's going on here? different drug shortages have different reasons. for this one, it is more than 40 years old, it is inexpensive, so no pharmaceutical company is clamoring to make it and it is tough to make. there's only one manufacturer, merck, just merck, in the entire world, they're the only ones making this drug. >> wow. >> it's amazing how often we see that happen, one maker. or handful. you think about baby formula. so what could be done about this to help these patients? >> so, in this case, there's some short-term things that hospitals have been doing. so first of all, they are using less effective drugs sometimes. imagine being told you have the horrible cancer, high recurrence rate. we can't give you the drug we want to give you, we want to

give you something not as good. merck is building a new facility but say it won't be ready for five to six years to get up and be in production. some people are advocating not just for this shortage, but for other ones as well. they're advocating that the government pay pharmaceutical companies to make drugs like this that don't have a huge market and are inexpensive. other people say pharmaceutical companies are wealthy enough, why should we have to pay them? >> elizabeth cohen, thanks so much. still ahead, we're now hearing more from the grieving families of those three young people michigan state students killed in monday night's mass shooting. live near the university coming up. scle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv

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