that, now, $1 billion today is worth only about $50 million, $50 million back when joe biden was born. that, it's about 20 times. it's incredible how much inflation has -- so essentially -- basically, the idea is, you know, if you were a kid, you're like, $1 billion, today, $1 billion is worth a lot, but it not anywhere near -- >> said $56 million when joe biden was born, that's the equivalent of $1 billion today. >> correct. and about $100 million when you were born is worth about $1 billion today. so inflation really has evolved. >> is it wise to take the lump sum. >> absolutely. because then you can invested in different ways. it depends how much inflation -- but but you're going to go crazy and blow it all, but it's probably not a good idea. >> right. it's a question i ask myself every night. and thanks very much. news continues out now. up front next. breaking news on multiple stories. he and and learning exclusively that mark meadows has been

subpoenaed by the doj. meadows one of the highest ranking trump aids to be subpoenaed. this is the trumps counsel we are learning is locked in mortal court battles. the details next. in a battle brewing in texas tonight after university professors were asked to give a statement on their commitment to diversity before they're hired. the story you'll see first up front. plus, russia adopting thousands of ukrainian children in a massive re-education effort. it's a damning new report, saying some of them are up for adoption, others being trained now to join the military. let's go out front. and good evening. welcome to a special edition of out front. i'm erin burnett, and we begin with the breaking news tonight. trumps former chief of staff, mark meadows, subpoenaed by the special counsel investigating the former president's attempt to cling to power. now, of course, remember, meadows helped lay the groundwork for from's election life, which ultimately fueled the violence and outrage that we also on january 6. he was literally by trump might decide during the insurrection itself.

much more on that in just a moment, because there is so much more breaking developing here today. we also have other breaking news this hour on the department. we are learning that the special counsel investigating trump is locked now in at least eight secret court battles. special counsel jack smith trying to uncover what he believes are some of the most closely held details about trump's actions after the 2020 election, and also of his handling of classified material , and, on top of that news, there's also this related to biden's handling of classified material. the fbi tonight reviewing material found during two searches that we have just found out about at the university of delaware. so all of this developing here in these late hours of the evening. let's begin with evan perez. evan, so much you to keep track of in the news, literally this past hour or two, breaking one after the other. let's start with mark meadows. what more are you learning there? >> well, meadows is being asked for documents and for possible testimony, and, of course,

erin, you know he's key in two parts of this investigation that is now being led by jack smith, the special counsel. obviously, he knows a lot about, you know, the way the documents were found in mar-a- lago, classified documents. he knows a lot about the process, though, that involved there, as the former president was shutting down, believing the white house. and, of course, he was, as you said, a key witness in some of the activities as the president was trying to overturn the 2020 election. so you can see why jack smith would want to talk to him on both of those investigations, and we know that meadows had previously turned over documents that he had already given to the january 6 committee, and they anticipated, meadows and his lawyers anticipated that the justice department would come back to ask for more, and now they have. so the question is, you know, what happens now? is he going to provide that testimony, or does it produce a clash over executive privilege, because obviously, mark meadows is one of the closest aides and most high-ranking aides of the former president. >> all right.

so that is an important appear, and it certainly shows, you know, sort of the intensity and the pace of what we're seeing here with the special counsel. also, though, the eight secret court battles, or at least eight, as you've been reporting, evan, that the special counsel is engaged in. that's a lot. obviously, all of those things matter. what more do you know about them? >> right, and meadows is likely to become another one of those, erin, because the special counsel is fighting these battles with donald trump, and his allies, who are fighting tooth and nail over everyone of these subpoenas, trying to figure out ways to shield some of their testimonies, some of the documents that the special counsel is trying to get. and the unusual thing is, you know, this is not how it normally works when an investigation is still ongoing, but you're talking about a notoriously litigious person, donald trump. and we know of at least eight of these court battles that are going on under seal before the judge, who will receive the grand jury. a couple of them, we learned

just this week, evan corcoran, one of trumps lawyers, who is being asked to provide additional testimony, despite the fact, obviously, that he's a lawyer, and he's trying to shield it under attorney-client privilege. there's also scott perry, the representative for pennsylvania. the justice department is trying to get access to his cell phone. there's a number of others going on behind the scenes. special counsel saying, look, because of the intense public interest in this, we need to keep the secret, which is kind of a bizarre argument to be making. all right, evan, thank you very much, and i some of this is developing late in the night, let's just go straight to our panel. meadows obviously, right, had given some information to the committee, had not, obviously, you know, gone with full testimony. now here we are subpoenaed. there had been a debate recently, because meadows has been very quiet, as to whether he was cooperating. does this put that to bed? he wasn't, and now we're at this point. >> it sounds like there's a breakdown that he maybe was not cooperating, and also maybe put

to bed, or at least reduces the likelihood that he himself is a target of the investigation. the justice department is less likely to subpoena somebody who's the target. on the other hand, jack smith is actually a very aggressive rustic eater, so maybe he is going after somebody who's a target. >> so it doesn't even take that fully off the table, which could be significant. what does it ultimately made when he claims, as it was clear from what evans was saying, he'll claim executive privilege. let stand up? how long does that drag out? >> so i think it jack smith once mark meadows testimony, jack smith will get mark meadows testimony. i think if he does executive privilege, it's a loser, it's a unanimous, unambiguous supreme court case with a sitting president and a former chief of staff. the judge in this case, cnn has reported, has already decided against executive privilege with the white house counsel, deputy white house counsel. the done. the supreme court had an opportunity to grant executive privilege on the documents that the january 6 committee wanted, and they did not.

over the same kind of argument executive privilege for documents that included mark meadows, his correspondence. it's just, that they dead, there's no way that jack smith will not succeed on that one could >> so we set all roads lead to mark meadows, and they do, right? you have been involved on, going down visiting georgia election offices in the meeting in the oval office with people talking about, you know, finding ways to undermine the, the election results. all of that, and then, of course, cassidy hutchinson to the january 6 committee said this, scott. >> i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of, the writers have gotten to the capital, mark. we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly said this to mark, something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done, or people are

going to die, and the blood's going to be on your ethic hands. >> the mark is mark meadows. >> yeah. i mean, obviously, what he has to say is enormously important to finding out if crimes were committed here. i mean, i still think we all sort of know what happened, generally, but when you get down to the core of what was on trump's mind that day, and war crimes committed, who, who, apart from meadows, is going to have better information? i was listening to you, by the way, erin, read your monologue about everything going on tonight. i was thinking, this is a really good commercial for both political parties to get new nominees. you've got trumps up at all over the place, biden document, and all of this is unfolding while the presidential campaign is unfolding. and if indictments are to come, and things are to fall in any of these investigations, it's going to happen over the next few months will the american people get to know these new presidential candidates. so i think the political indications here regarding the timing of all this are really

serious, given that the campaign is on. >> and i want to ask ryan about the timing, but first, maggie, you've got trumps fighting, obviously, pentz has been subpoenaed, and he's fighting that. he's using executive privilege. he's fighting it. now he's got to fight meadows. plus, he has everything else going on that he's fighting as he's technically a candidate. >> so i actually think, as interesting as these subpoenas are, and they're very importan t , i still think the most important thing that has happened that we know of in the last that's been reported in the last 24 hours, and i'm not saying this because of our reporting, but, is the story that we broke last night about the fact that the justice department is trying to compel

testimony from one of trump's own lawyers. i think that is a huge threat to trump, potentially, if the judge grants it. and so you have these myriad sites. you have this, meadows, i assume, will try to invoke executive privilege, because meadows sort of have cooperated with the january 6 committee, given the road map by turning over so many of these text, but then wouldn't speak to them. we have no idea what else he's been doing with them. this is not the first subpoena that he has gotten in this case from the doj. this is at least the second one that we know of. and so there was one earlier last year for documents. i'm not sure where this all goes, but, yes, we've -- this is an unheard of situation where there is somebody who was the first candidate declared in this race running with this crush of investigations taking place. it is impossible to compartmentalize and not see how one had to do with the other. >> you've got georgia, you've got classified documents. you have doj, you've got new york. i mean, you have all of it, and it's all very serious, and it's all very real. i just want to mention here, the comedy biden situation tonight is that they searched the university of delaware where he had donated a lot of papers. they have a lot of stuff. nothing at this point seems to be classified, and they had said go ahead and search, right? so they were very open to it. i don't want to say there is no classified, but at this point, doesn't appear that there's going to be any classified information there. but you've got a special

counsel there as well even though the classified document situation is quite different >> you do have a special counsel. people will question whether the approval was appropriate. i think it's a reasonable thing that merrick garland did in this case, just to avoid the appearance of any kind of loyalty between the attorney general, you know, from the attorney general to the president. critically, this is a president who has cooperated every step of the way, and i think when you look at the polling, even, on this subject, the american people generally understand that this is a different situation. the biden document, and the way he's treated this, or a fundamentally different situation from the way that donald trump, for example, history to these documents. i would put even mike pence, as far as what has been reported, in the same category as joe biden, who's, you know, who's been cooperating with >> and of course no special counsel yet in that situation. and to this question, though, in this unprecedented moment, this question of issues that trump is facing, special councils. so when do we know? i mean, and this is, this is actually clogging the whole pipes for the entire presidential race. right? because if trump is indicted, what does that mean?

what does that mean for dissenters? in everybody's compilation, are we going to find this out imminently, when you look at what jack smith is doing? when you get an indictment or not unclassified documents? when you get an indictment or not on the january 6? >> so putting together the times reporting that jack smith once to kind of make a decision by the summer, to avoid these -- but that seems like a long way away, but yeah. yeah. yeah. >> that he makes a decision at that point. he also has to deal with these eight secret battles. but some of them, i think, will be resolved quickly, like executive privilege, and in others, he might just say, we're not going to wait for scott perry's phone, and he has to make a very big call, because i do not think he's going to be able to get mike pence's testimony on some crucial matters by then. that's going to be litigated. that's right. >> we also don't know whether merrick garland will sign off on whatever recommendation jack smith makes, if jack smith recommended indicting, which is -- adds another layer to the spirit >> it is incredible and unprecedented. everyone's waiting on this, and

no one knows what they're even waiting on, and this is it. this is american politics. >> by this summer you, you'll have trump, but four, five, six other candidates all running around the country campaigning, and this could show up, you know, on the nightly news. it will really broil the campaign in ways i don't think we quite know yet. >> all right, stay with me. thank you. and next, a controversial professor from idaho. he is controversial because of things like this. >> young men must be respectable and responsible to inspire young women to be secure with them and in goal of homemaking and having children. >> okay. why is he in the news? well, he's getting a lot of support from governor ron desantis and his wife, casey. plus, sickening new allegations of russia kidnapping and brainwashing thousands of ukrainian children, some just babies when abducted. new details had, and the outrage in ohio after a train derailment led to catastrophe. the train company tonight backing out of the town hall, saying they are receiving threats. ther e

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limits for congress and mandatory mental competency test for politicians over 75 years old. >> let's go straight to the white house. okay, feels shot over the bow for both trump and biden, both of whom are in that age category. what is the white house saying about this? >> erin, nothing, which i think is as much of a reflection as their view of the candidate and the early very stage of the republican primary as that is the implicit attack itself. now, when you talk to white house officials, you talk to president biden's advisers as they ramp up for the campaign, they are closely watching republican candidates, or potential republican candidates. the democratic national committee is keeping research and opposition research books

on pretty much everybody to possibly run, so it's not that they're ignoring the potential field, or the field that developed up to this point, but they also understand that it is a long pathway for former president trump, who is still very much in the race, and will likely do much of the counterattacking for them on this particular issue. in some degree, he's the president of the united date. when you talk to officials here as they try and game out the month ahead, particularly in this year of 2023, what they're more focused on than anything else is the fact that the president does have an agenda that he's past that he's enacted into law that he can talk about, that he can campaign him, that he can really focus on over the course of the next several months, but also that they believe that lays out a very clear path forward, that he can talk about if and when he decides to launch a campaign. now, erin, it's worth noting that does not mean that they're not aware that age is clearly an issue. they see the public polling, they understand that they got

private polling as well. he's the oldest president in u.s. history now. he would be two years older two years from now to finish a second term. he would be 86. they get all of that, and they understand that there are very real concerns not just among some democrats, but also amongst the american people, and i think, to some degree, when you talk to them about this issue, they say two things. one, they believe that record of the first two years command with the belief that his experience, his time here in washington, the amount of time he's working on these issues, is part of what drove that record, but also the fact that they believe the experience, as they look at a republican primary, they believe will be both chaotic and in their words somewhat extreme, will end up winning the day. it's a calculation that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be born out, but their view of things right now. still, they know it's an issue, and should know the president is going to get his annual physical tomorrow morning. >> that's right. tomorrow morning he is going to do that. thank you very much, phil. the point that phil was just making, and nikki haley's put it out there, because it's out there, it's being talked about, certainly being talked about among democrats, but she was making the point to trump as well. biden already is the oldest

president, is still just that. he'll be 82 at the end of the term, so the only trails behind in our reagan at 77 and donald trump, who was 74, right? so donald trump is turning 77 in june. so they're both, okay, i mean, a few years apart, but this is where we stand. and nikki haley comes out and says mental, but the tests. >> yeah, listen, i was not mad at this. i was not mad at the end of the permanent politician, term limits, and i'm not mad at her identifying a correct problem, which is that we've had a lot of older politicians and leaders who are a bit, i think, past their prime, and we'd like some fresh blood and new faces. the problem with this theme of hers is that her generational differences are as of yet unknown, because everything she talked about sounded very much like trumpism, trump light. jump without the bad words and the ad hominem. is she bringing a generational difference in terms of policies ? is she going to try to broaden the republican base and win new kinds of republican voters?

where does she stand on guns, for example? is she going to carry the ages old fetishization of guns that the nra has a spouse for decades, or meet young voters, and many gun owners, by the way, where they are today, which is calling for common sense gun reform? what about her is generationally different, other than her age? if it's just her age, well, that's identity politics him and i'm pretty sure republicans would call that woke. >> well, if it's just about age , ages, i mean, is age what determines mental competency? >> no, it doesn't. look, i think that mental competence tests, as unconstitutional as they may be, by the way, are a nice thing in erie, and they should be applied across ages, right? some of the younger republicans in congress, for example, would fail mental competency exams. >> just the republicans? >> merger retailer grain, lauren, people who are are inciting violence of the capital, for example. i welcome a conversation from anyone at democratic side who

compares to those people. i think she's leaning into generational stuff because she's uncomfortable taking trump directly on policy. and i don't think in a republican primary, the general generational argument is not compelling, especially when you're not offering a difference. where are you on climate science? where are you on guns, for example? >> tech and innovation. lots of issues that appeal to voters beyond just this is someone younger. >> but in a general election, i do think leading into the generational difference, which will be done for her optically in these debates, would be a more compelling argument could >> yeah. but you're raising the term identity politics. i've been taking about this is watching her speech today, because she actually invoked it. she said, may the best woman when. now, i don't believe in identity politics, and also, she leaned in on the identity of people who are older than 75 years old versus younger than 75. so this is one of the things about her that people have always perceived. she always is trying to have it both ways on a lot of issues. i want to be the identity

politics republican, but i don't want you to think that i am. i thought that was a strange, friendly, thing to say, right after having invoked, may the best woman when print >> the other thing she did was lean and on woke, right, which is a favored word now among the gop, and, in fact, both the declared and yet undeclared likely candidates for the gop nomination have all, all spoken out on this issue. here's haley and others. >> i see a strong america, because i see a proud america. strong and proud, not weekend woke. >> we will never surrender to the woke mob. florida is where woke goes to die! >> i think he's absolutely right that the witness is really invading this culture in a very negative way. >> they love it. i mean, it's a, it's a

buzzword, and it works very well with a certain group of republican voters, and so you're going to hear nikki haley say it, obviously, ron desantis is going to. you're going to hear him say it a lot. it is, you know, it's actually speaking against identity politics. except the reality is, republicans actually really do like identity politics, and focus on them in a number of ways, and you will see that too. i think this is not going to be going away. what i'm mostly interested in is why nikki haley is focusing on this age issue, because it's one of the only ways she can separate from donald trump safely. otherwise, there's not much more that she can say, because she's not really dividing from him, and she served under him. and so the thing that she can say that is the safest is that he's old, and that's just not disputable. >> well, not despicable. all right. now, on the woke issue, governor desantis, as you point out, he says it all the time. so now i want to enter this story. first lady casey desantis recently tweeted, thrilled to welcome scott get the claremont institute to his new home in tallahassee, protecting americans from infringing woke ideologies as important work,

and we are grateful. scott and the claremont institute pick florida to continue the mission. the claremont is a conservative think tank, scott get a came from boise state. he was a controversial professor there, and this is just one speech he gave in 2021, so this is just one little speech. here are a few little things he said. here he is. >> today, america is destroying family life. how? feminism and sexual liberation theories, above all, our independent women seek their purpose in life in mid-level bureaucratic jobs like human resource management. environmental protection and marketing. they're more medicated, meddlesome, and quarrelsome than women need to be. young men must be respectable and responsible to inspire young women to be secure with them and in goals of homemaking and having children. every effort must be made not to recruit women into engineering, but rather to recruit and demand more of men who become engineers. ditto for med school and the law and every trade.

>> well, i can only pray that casey desantis didn't know about that. i say that, obviously they know his politics in general. but you got to own that. >> yeah. i don't know what this guy is going to be doing on a daily basis. i would hope it's not giving some variation of that speech for ron desantis is sake. i would also to say to my wife was at home tonight, accountant raising our four kids while i'm sitting here, thank you so much for being able to be a professional and a mom and do all the things that he says are mutually exclusive, so thank you. >> i'm not going into engineering anytime soon. thank fully for everyone. >> i agree with scott. i don't know what he's going to be doing. i don't know what his actual involvement is, but those are the kinds of things that people who don't like desantis are going to point to to try to make desantis -- but and it wasn't just the status. casey desantis is the one who tweeted that out.

and it's not like, oh, casey, can you do this? no. she would look into it before she did it. she knew who he was. >> and someone with his views is now going to be helping to craft policy for the state of florida, right? so even if he's not giving those speeches, we know what his mind-set is, and what his lens is, when it comes to a range of things. and this is just really problematic. i do think it's identity politics. i think it's -- identity politics when other people are doing it, but not when the perpetrator of identity politics is doing it, then it becomes problematic. >> i mean, i just had to say, i'm amazed and appalled to even hear those words. >> well, i don't agree with him. it's cheap and lazy, you know? click beatty kind of stuff, although i have my own critics of feminism and liberalism that are not radical at all. but i don't know what he's going to be doing. i'm not mad that he's going into a conservative think tank, and honestly, i'm not all that surprised that he might be advising on legislation. this sounds very much like ron

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tonight, a new report accusing russia of abducting thousands of ukrainian children in a massive re-education effort to support put in the same spirit the report says these children are being held in at least 43 facilities from russian occupied korea to the east of russia. and it alleges that some are put up for adoption. others are already being trained for the russian military. david mckenzie is out front in kyiv. >> reporter: weeks ago, we first met tatiana in jinping in a shelter for displaced families. all of the mothers here separated from their children by the trauma of war. >> translator: emotions overwhelmed me when lilia left. it terrified me. all i wanted was the best for my child at the time.

>> reporter: her 11-year-old daughter, lilia, stuck in a russian camp in occupied korea. all the lessons are in russian. at first glance, the retreat seemed like any other summer camp, but the loyalty expected from ukrainian children is crystal clear. part of what a new yale university study calls systematic re-education efforts . but tatiana and lily as the story begins a year ago. the hometown fell quickly to advancing russian troops. within days, the occupiers began a content to russell by the population. often coercing thousands of parents like tatiana to send their kids to the camps. but when ukrainian forces took back the town in november, tatiana's daughter was on the wrong side of the front line. >> we tried a rescue mission for children who were abducted, and now in the russian federation and in crimea. >> reporter: the founder of save ukraine declined to say exactly how they negotiate their entry into enemy territory

, just that the mothers can't do it on their own. >> it's impossible to communicate with any russians, because you can ask these mothers. they don't want to give children back. >> reporter: but tatiana was ready to take the risk. >> translator: i'm worried, of course. you cannot even imagine my emotions inside. fear and terror. it's emotional that i could see her soon, and this is a big deal for me. >> 11 mothers and one father putting on a brave face, but theirs is a perilous route. from ukraine by road to poland, and into russian allied belarus through the russian federation to occupied hermia. >> translator: we were counting every kilometer on the bridge. i could feel it with every cell in my body. i was very emotional when we were closer and closer. >> reporter: save ukraine spent many months planning this moment.

reuniting families shattered by war, returning children who just wanted to go home to ukraine. >> translator: it was an outburst of emotions. once we embraced, it was like a great weight lifted. and in the end, they gave up the children willingly, but save ukraine says that hundreds, perhaps thousands remain. our two countries are at work, says tatiana, but there are good people everywhere. you saw that desperate journey the mothers took to get their children back from those russian camps. there are many, many more like it. the russian embassy in washington is saying that the yale university report is absurd. they say they're just trying to keep those children safe, but, in fact, there is clear evidence of indoctrination going on. erin? >> thank you very much, david mckenzie from kyiv. want to go now to retired loonie general.

general, this is what you say. genocidal campaigns, and they're taking over children, young children, training them for the military, training them to be russian, indoctrinating them. what does this day to you? >> well, it tells me the russians are trying to eliminate the culture of ukraine and subjugate the ukrainian population. but more importantly, erin, it is a war crime. it's a direct violation of the fourth geneva convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in a time of war. it specifically violates protocol 1 of the convention, which talks about women, children, civilian medical personnel, and special protection for german, for journalists, i'm sorry. it is what we've come to expect from russia. as a former soldier, i saw many things in combat that were horrid and disgusting, but this is despicable. as a father and a grandfather, it is evil, inhuman, and unimaginable.

i cannot imagine what these, what these mothers and fathers are going through, seeing their children taken away from them and sent to russia. >> incredible pain with dan the lesson, you may never see the child again. if you do, it is unbelievable pain. it comes, of course, general, as we understand that and the leader of belarus will be meeting later this week, right? the leader of belarus is eager to, you know, he's offered to store nukes for russia if he wants, and now we know there's more air, air from russia building up on the northern border with belarus and ukraine. how likely do you think an offensive is from belarus, sort of what we're hearing from western intelligence is the real, a massive aerial salt coming from russia that we haven't really yet seen in this war? >> i do not think a ground encouragement from belarus is likely, other than if it's

russian forces, erin. i do believe there is the potential for massive air attacks from russian air force out of belarus, and, in fact, about 20 minutes ago, there have been air raid sirens going out all over western ukraine, with a lot of aircraft coming in from belarus. also, with missiles coming in from the black sea. so what, what russians attending to do is cause ukraine to look in multiple directions. while the ukrainian focuses on the front line and the east of the southeast, and trying to block missiles that are coming into the city's, russia is trying to give them more dangers from different directions to cause them to spread out their air defenses. so i think that's what you're seeing right now, and i think that's what we'll see in the next incursion of the russian air force coming out of belarus. >> all right. thank you very much.

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to give a statement on their commitment to diversity. the documents revealed medical notes on how well the candidates understood di issues . one prospective professor came across as a bit organizing of my nora ties individuals. another candidate weakness was flagged for poor understanding of the difference between equity and equality. >> i think that's wrong. >> reporter: steve balch is a former texas tech professor and founder of the national association of scholars. >> my quarrel isn't with people who think diversity, equity, and inclusion are good things. my argument, the argument with the nes, is turning them into dogma. >> i think these efforts to metal an engineer and mold are terribly counterproductive and even dangerous. >> reporter: texas tech officials find themselves in the crosshairs. we sat down with the school's president, lawrence goodman acted >> in the statement that the university put out last week, it's that we immediately

withdrew this practice and initiated a review of hiring procedures across the colleges and departments. we will withdraw the use of these statements and evaluation rubrics is identified. >> we could see that this could be viewed as possibly exclusionary, and so we wanted to step back and review the whole process. >> reporter: do you worry that appeasing some people because they might perceive something as inappropriate sense, send the right message? >> i don't see this as appeasing. i think we have to respond to the concerns of people out there. we have to be pragmatic and acknowledging issues that are being raised. >> it's nothing more than an effort to dismantle the work that has been done for at least the last 60+ years. >> reporter: paulette granberry russell is president of the national association of diversity officers in higher education. she says scholars and politicians are using dei to fuel the base of conservative voters and misrepresenting the purpose of dei initiatives. >> this is not a situation

where some are intending to take access away, but to expand access. >> reporter: texas tech officials are wasn't the type of of what meat politics and serving a growing diverse student body. >> this university has grown and thrived because we've been able to recruit and support a diverse student population. we're totally committed to supporting a diverse campus community. >> so, ed, you know, this, dei has really become, it's kind of a code word, right, for both the left and the right. those words mean very different things to different people. what are politicians in texas saying about dei, which, of course, is diversity, equity, and included? >> well, as you can imagine, conservative texas republicans latching onto this. texas governor greg abbott put out a letter to state agencies last week reminding everyone that using dei in hiring is

illegal. texas tech officials insisted that there was nothing illegal about the hiring process done there at the biology department, and state lawmakers were questioning the texas chancellor, saying they were confused and concerned about all of this, and that's what dei supporters are worried about, that this will be distorted in much the same way that critical race theory was as well. >> all right, ed. thank you very much. next, one of the many questions families are asking tonight. are my kids safe? that's what they're asking the state of ohio nearly two weeks after the toxic train disaster. s tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪

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>> the railroad did us wrong. >> my kids, are they safe? if the future of this community safe? >> not present at this community meeting is a representative that many wanted to hear from. in the 11th hour, norfolk southern railroad, the company responsible for the toxic train derailment, sent a statement saying in part, we know that many are rightfully angry and frustrated right now, but unfortunately, after consulting with community leaders, we have become increasingly concerned about their growing physical threat to our employees. with that in mind, norfolk southern will not be in attendance this evening. cleanup efforts are underway, the governor telling residents wednesday, the main unicycle water is safe to drink. his statement comes after new test results from the state environmental protection agency found no detection of contaminants. officials say the toxic spill was largely contained at the day after the derailment and the tests have shown the air

quality is safe. and while state officials say municipal water is safe to drink, they are still suggesting those with private wells get their water tested. >> in the back of your property back here, they found -- >> she says she has been breaking -- drinking watered -- ever since she started spotting dead fish in the creek, following the derailment. she says she is still waiting for the state to come and test her well water. >> i feel okay. water was, no. there are just too many chemicals and stuff that were spilled and they still don't want to identify that. >> the ohio department of national resources estimates some 3500 fish in the state have died following the train derailment. these people saw the flames from their homes and are worried their neighborhood still may not be safe. >> i don't recommend you put anything in the ground. i mean, vegetables or tomatoes or anything this year. we don't know.

>> i don't think they are going to do enough. >> some residents say they have been frustrated by what they described as a lack of communication with officials on the ground. >> we pass all the creeks and their's crew after crew with white hoses and black posts through the creeks. they are not telling us why. this is daily. i am driving my children to school past all of this and they're asking me questions that i don't have answers to. >> we found getting information just as challenging. >> we are just trying to get a sense of what those pumps are. can someone just -- >> nor folks other incontestable us everything. they can tell you everything. >> you realize people are calling this number and no one is getting back to them? >> we are told to direct people to that number. >> the governor, asked by reporters tuesday, if you would feel comfortable living in east palestine. >> i think that i would be drinking the bottled water. and i would be continuing to find out what the tests are showing as far as the air. i would be alert and concerned.

but i think that i will probably be back at my house. >> residents like kathy say they are left with few choices. >> i guess you just pray and drink a bottle of water. until we are sure what is going on. >> and she is still drinking bottled water and as things wrap up here, the folks that we spoke to as they left, still feeling frustrated, still feel like a lot of their questions have not been answered, especially about testing of well water. how long the epa will be on the ground, testing things. well, tomorrow, the epa administrator, michael regan, is hitting from washington, d.c.. he will be on the ground to assess everything that is going on here. >> jason, thank you very much. and thank you to all of you for joining us. cnn tonight with alison camerota is next.

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