newly minted presidential candidate, nikki haley, says she's the person who can expand the gop base. here's what she said to sean hannity on fox tonight, just hours after her first rally as a candidate. >> we will get people that will come into our fold. our goal is not --

we are not about compromises. we are not about changing who we are. where about fighting for what we believe, but convincing our opponents to be with us. and that's the part that's going to change, we need to expand our tent, we have to bring hispanics-ing. we have to bring the jewish community in. we need to bring the asian community in. we need to bring african americans in, because our policies are right. >> i wanna bring in cnn political commentator, margaret hoover, democratic on imitator kai -- form professional tennis player, patrick mcenroe -- great to have all of you here. margaret, i want to start with you. tell us, because you like nikki haley i think i've heard you are excited about this addition to the field,. >> absolutely. >> anyone against donald trump i'm for. >> you're gonna be for a lot of people because it can be a crowded field,. so what do you think or -- will elevate her to the top of the pack. >> here's what i like about

what she said today. first of all, her speech was one about growing the tenth, building the party, reaching out. it was inclusive. and that's aspirational, it's very happy -- i'm gonna fight like the gop base needs me to. like ronald reagan. so, it's this fusion of where the party is now and where many of us wish the party had stayed. and would like to see it go. the generational change piece is huge, she has a wonderful zingers around that. i think the key with nikki haley is that she is the only person who has been able to navigate donald trump on her own terms. she left his cabinet at her own time and choosing, without having him say, don't let the door hit you on the way out. if there's anyone in the republican field who i think can navigate his peculiar frankly bullying, which by the way, she tipped her hat to without naming him. i think that's even a tale of

how she'll handle him. >> i'm curious about that, what happens when he does start going after her? >> let's see what happens. right now, he said come right in the warm waters warm. on the other hand, he's attacking all these other prospective opponents. >> you are an indian american. >> yes. >> both of them are talking about nikki haley and margaret, about how she can expand the tent. do you see it that way? >> i think we just saw her say she doesn't want to compromise, so she doesn't want to expand the tent. it's really this juxtaposition where almost every statement of seen from her so far has been an oxymoron. she's this indian american who doesn't believe in identity politics, but once she celebrate the first minority woman governor in the same sentence, as she saying the culture wars have gone to for. she's somebody who has changed her name. she's changed her religion. she had to fight as white in 2001 on her voter registration card. suddenly at 50 plus she's discovered she's indian american? i don't think it's that compelling, it's gonna be a tough sell to the indian american community i think. >> here is what she said today

about the generational change. let's listen to nikki haley for a moment. >> the america i see, the permanent politician will finally retire. [applause] we'll have term limits for congress. [applause] and mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over 75 years old. [applause] >> i wonder what she's referring to. >> i love that she said that. i thought it rolled out, was actually perfect today. she's powerful, she's smart, she's got the background. she has all the policies that trump had, even though i think what you're all saying, correct, she's going to do her own thing as she said she'll kickback if she has to. but i love what she said about term limits, i think you're not supposed to say this, but i'm

not a politicians will say. there's way too many people that are just too old in congress, in the senate, all over politics. and something has to change, in my opinion. >> jessica, your thoughts. >> i think that's definitely a compelling argument. politicians have gotten too old. i wonder if it's enough, i think she's entering an incredibly crowded field, she's entering a field with opponents were going to be incredibly strong republicans. she's able to speak to, we need to be ex inclusive. is that enough in a republican primary, i don't know. >> margaret, is it complicated that she's been all over the map on some things such as donald trump? she has flip-flopped in terms of if he's a bully, if he's unfit for office, if she's going to vote for him. if he's great, if she wants to work with him. >> -- >> i understand on the surface that's an easy place to go. she just entered the republican primary.

she has one job right now, which is to win the nomination. and being on both sides of trump, frankly, maybe a liability, may not, depending on how she navigates the rest of the field, and depending on who are competition is and how they handle it. this is dynamic situation, we have no idea -- and by the time if she does win the nomination, by the time we get to the general, are people really gonna be saying, hey, you said the thing about trump two years ago? people are gonna be glad johnson not the nominee. >> what do we heard this big favor by even seriously considering that she's running for president. >> she is running for president. >> is this really a tactic that she's taking two for vice president. >> why? >> i feel she's completely unserious candidate, she has no strong policy positions, on that fox interview, she just played she couldn't name one policy disagreement he had with trump. that's an interesting -- >> maybe have any policy disagreement, why is she running? she's pulling at 1%, so there's really no demand for her to be running.

this is what a politician who has flip-flopped so much that she's really on her last legs here, what else would nikki haley be doing right now if not running for president? i think that's a sad state of affairs for a democracy that. >> is she running for president are not running for president? >> in name only. >> she is running for president. and she's running because she actually believes that she can win. and she's, by the way, been plotting this move in her life for many years. i do think it diminishes her to say she's not running for president, and a lot of people are going to like her. i do think she serious. >> also, i don't to see the poll numbers today, i think we have to see what her poll numbers are now that she's in. i do one also say one more thing, one of the things she's well known for is the confederate flag, getting the confederate flag taken down in columbia, south carolina, after the mother emmanuel church massacre. that was different than where -- she started out as, and it was seen as bold at the time. >> definitely.

i remember that moment. i think that did speak to black americans, i remember feeling that that was a move that was symbolically important. there was a really very sad time in the community. what i will say about that, a, i don't know how important black voters are going to be in the republican primary, and also, i just don't know that that would be enough to sway black voters even in a general election. >> that's true. i think what it shows is that she's willing to be a nixon in china, in the sense that, it takes a republican woman of color to take down the confederate flag from the capital of south carolina. and she leveraged all her political capital of the time to do it. and it was the right thing to do, and you're right, it didn't get or the black -- didn't win or black voters, she didn't run again. it was her second term. i think you're right, it's not that black voters in south carolina will come to her defense, necessarily. i think defense but not vote for her. that's not what she did, she did it because of the right thing to do. >> we have to leave it there, we have many more things to talk about. thank you all for sharing those perspectives. meanwhile, george santos is telling people he's thinking

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sources tell cnn, the truth challenged gop congressman, george santos, may run for reelection, even as top lawmakers try to oust him. more details tonight from an homage farmer who alleges that santos wrote him bad checks in exchange for puppies in 2017. santos claimed at the time, his checkbook was stolen. his victims think that it is part of the never-ending stream of lies coming from santos. some of his old friends referred to him as a pathological liar. let's ask an expert. joining me now is psychologist christian heart, he's the director of the human deception laboratory at texas women's university, and the author of pathological lying, chris, you

are the perfect person to talk to tonight. i've read that pathological liar is not a scientific term, it's not in the gsm which is the bible of mental disorders. but all of us seem to know what a pathological liar is. colloquially at least. is george santos won? >> you're right, when we talk about pathological liars it's a very common term used in our culture. what people mean by it is someone who lies a lot. the psychologist when we look at the term, when we're referring to a clinically significant pattern of excessive lying, the lying often causes disturbances in their life. problems in their social relationships, problems in the workplace. it also occasionally puts them at legal risk or risk of other opportunities. -- >> doesn't he fit that bill to a tee? >> from what i've read in the news, he certainly seems like

he meets many of those criteria. >> because he's lying at this point about things that are easily exposed. this is what's so confusing to the public. he's not even lying about things that will necessarily benefit him for more than two weeks, because now, -- he's lied about his jewish ancestry, that was easily exposed. his grandparents being hot survivors, no they weren't. he falsely claimed his mother was in the world trade center on 9/11, no she wasn't. he's claimed to have worked for goldman sachs and citi group, that's easily exposed. no he didn't. his claim to graduate from different colleges, no he didn't. they said that he played college volleyball, no he didn't. so, what's the point of those lows? >> when we look at the point of lies, we see that people lie when they believe that they can get something that they want, that they can't achieve by using honesty. we also see that most people don't lie, most people are pretty honest most of the time.

we do see this very small subset of about 5% of the population that engages in really excessive lying, and one of the patterns we see with those people, they don't really seem to have the moral brake that prevents most of us from lying. so for a typical person, though often time have the opportunity to lie, it's unlikely they'll get caught if they still refrain from lying. what we see with people who engage in pathological lying, oftentimes they're engaging in risk taking behavior, and they're also willing to morally justify they're lying as being okay. >> is it a mental disorder? do we need to see this through the lens of mental illness somehow? >> well, we do see with a number of personality disorders, including antisocial personality disorder, pathological lying is a key component. so, with antisocial personality disorder, people use manipulation and deception to

exploit others and take advantage of others, typically without any guilt or shame or remorse. and that sense, yeah, we look at it as a psychologist as part of a mental disorder. but the type of people who have this mental disorder tend to be in prison. >> or congress i guess. >> christian heart, thank you very much for explaining all of that, back with us now margaret hoover, -- jessica washington and patrick mcenroe. one of the fascinating's about george santos, as christian just said, you don't come across somebody that often who looks in your face and lies directly to you over and over when you can easily be exposed. there's something, the talented mr. ripley, about this. when you can't believe that this is actually happening over and over again. there's something mesmerizing about it. >> i agree. it is a bizarre phenomenon, to watch someone repeatedly lie. when we got to the cartoonish lee evil part with the dogs,

that was honestly -- >> that was a little much. >> it was a little much. but i think what makes it almost easier for him to get away with it, it is so cartoonish lee evil. i think it's easy for us to sit and laugh about it, and not talk about the fact that we have a con man, a clear, obvious conman, in congress. that's part of the problem. >> the scary thing to me, again, forget the politics the political side of this, because it's obvious that they should've thrown about already. but they're not gonna do that apparently. the crazy thing to me, just watching this, this guy seems like he's enjoying it. you see him, he smiling. he loves, he's on cnn every night, everybody is talking about him. and it's like, he got exactly what he wanted, that's scary. >> that's why i think he does fit the liar bill, as we've been discussing, and that loose definition, because he's not chagrin when he's caught.

he doesn't seem uncomfortable when he's caught, when he's doing it he doesn't learn from being caught. it's like a compulsion. >> yeah, until it actually all catches up with him. because the eastern district of new york is investigating him. this is a guy who, according to his financial disclosures two years ago, didn't have an asset more worth more than $5, 000, now is worth $11 million. how does that happen in two years? you can lie about dogs and that egregious, you can lie about other things. you can't lie about getting that much money, frankly, the music's gonna stop at some point. and probably republicans won't do anything about it until there is an indictment. and that is gonna be forced out, and then no one could be talking about him. so you know what, -- >> enjoy it now. >> enjoy it well lasts. >> you know, he reminds me a lot of real housewives in jen shaw who's going to prison this friday for fraud in the southern district brought the case, because you wonder, why did these people stay on reality tv, knowing they committed a felony, and it really is a level of narcissism,

but it also think the power of a platform, and we learn that from trump, but it is reality stars, george santos, these people are experts and using a platform. so, of course he's gonna run for reelection, he's like a shark. he's gonna keep swimming in the minute he starts held a. >> i like your weaving in real housewives. >> i don't expect that. >> can't get below barr. >> next level. >> that's incredible. >> when is that we are gonna stop? how long will this take, margaret? >> it strikes me as we know, the gears of justice grind slowly. one has to be thorough. what i understand from house republican leadership, and some contacts that are chatted with their, they're not gonna do anything until the legal process works its way through the courts. that takes time. he may say he's running for reelection, i suspect before he can actually get his name on a ballot there will be an indictment, but this could go on for months and months. >> every single week there is something with him. he doesn't stop, every single

week there is some sort of scandal, some sort of lie that comes up. i like the one last week where he was saying, senator kyrsten sinema had complemented him and it's supported him, because she's a really good person, she was like, that's a lie. >> even when he complemented her she was like, not so fast. she wouldn't even take it. this is just what is happened, literally in the last week, senator sinema's office had to say, that's a lie. he was confronted by mitt romney, the fcc ordered santos formally declare his candidacy or disavow recent fund raising. there you go, let another financial pickle that he could be in. the whole stuff, as you guys were saying, the cartoonish lee bad stuff. he is accused and now is being investigated for stealing money from a disabled vet whose dog was dying. that's beyond lying, obviously, that's fraud. that's theft. >> may i ask a question?

as margaret so rightly said, this process to play out, the legal process. but let's assume that there's some snafu, because we've seen this happen before. you think, this guy's gonna definitely get nailed. he won't get nailed legally, he says he wants to run again. you think you could win? >> you hesitated. >> no, i suspect a republican party and the state of new york will find another candidate. >> okay. >> i would say, i think, at least the polling now is looking like people want him to resign. the vast majority of his voters are looking for him to resign. and i can't help, i mean, especially as someone who writes for the black community, i think a lot of the conversations we're having is, how does he keep getting away with this? with a criminal justice system as it is? you're looking at fraud after fraud after fraud, okay, now he's in congress? it feels a little unfair. >> understood. he's passing bad checks and it goes, my checkbook was stolen.

why haven't i tried that? >> is it that easy? to say your checkbook was stolen? >> it's an insane thing. >> the challenge for republicans that george santos really poses, he is a liar, and is likely a criminal. but where are they gonna draw the line? because there's so many undesirable characters in their caucus right now, if they go after him, it's the next person, and its gates and it's a long list of people who've engaged in deeply unethical, probably illegal, behavior. once they demand accountability for him, it's coming for them, and they don't want to. >> okay, friends, thank you very much for that. we must turn to the snow. the shooter in the horrific racist buffalo supermarket attack was sentenced today. it was an emotional scene, in court. the families of the victims confronted the killer.

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a very emotional day in buffalo, a judge sentencing the supermarket mass shooter to life in prison without parole. the 19 old carried out his racist attack at a tops grocery store in may, killing ten people. during today's hearing, a family member, a victim kathryn massie, rushed to the convicted shooter. but he was blocked by security, who then led the gunman away. you can see the melee there. as they assure the gunman out. the sentencing also featured emotional victim impact statements, a family members unleashing their grief and anger on the gunman for the pain that he caused them and the buffalo community. >> i hope you are haunted every day and every night.

i hope nightmares invade your sleep and convict, -- and conviction be your constant companion. >> i'm -- and i instead. and i hate you. and i didn't think i'd be strong enough to look you in the face and tell you this. how much you heard me. my little brother who is three years old gotta grow up without his dead. so do i hate you? no. do i want you to die? no. i want you to stay alive, i want you to think about this every day of your life. >> i forgive you, after giving up for your sake, but for mine. and for this black community. i forgive you. because that the only way we're gonna heal. but you can best believe, i will never forget your name. >> today sentencing was for state charges, the government still faces federal charges, back with me, we have margaret hoover, -- patrick mcenroe and jessica washington. jessica, those victim impact statements are so valuable,

there were years in court where judges didn't go for them, and the advent of these victim impact statements has been, i think, so much progress. because they get to look at the gunman right in the, give him a piece of his mind, and how about those people who said i forgive you. they're made of something different. >> it's really difficult to watch that. i think the amount of pain that the entire black community and obviously specifically the community in buffalo felt after those shootings, after that shooting, after reading the manifesto. there were names of prominent black activists that were included in that manifestos targets, i think the fear that that caused it is undeniable. for the families, i do hope that this brings them some level of peace. it's hard to say that we can ever get that, in the criminal justice system, but hopefully, for those families, being able to say what they needed to say it to have the sentence hopefully for them in their community it is peace.

>> i think so too, it is some measure of closure. i know that's an overused word, i've spoken to families after the victim impact statement, it's a measure of closure to be able to look at the person who has caused them so much pain. he also said, margaret, that he did this terrible act because i believe what he read online. here's this poisonous, toxin that young men, for the most part, fill themselves and their heads with, and then hate people and go out in or violent. >> and there's a degree of radicalization that happens online. and isolation. it happens in times especially this time of covid. i hate to focus, look, that is a problem that we need to look at holistically as a country. i don't focus too much on him, because he is the perpetrator of these murders, it was those victim impact statements and there's one that just really, really caught me that wasn't showed their, the granddaughter of ruth -- who was an 86-year-old grandmother who was targeted who died. she was murdered. she was the grandmother, she

was the mother of the former fire commissioner of buffalo. and the granddaughter sat there and said, you know what, i learn from a brother where mother's love. she had the grace to stand up there and say, what you want to do was poisonous and to fill this community with hate and poison and racism. and all you did was immortalized my grandmother. and love has won the day. that is so extraordinary and an incredible measure of grace. >> i appreciate not wanting to talk about the shooter, i don't say his name, i don't talk about the motivation. i'm forever searching for how we stop this in the future. so, knowing that he was indoctrinated or poisoned or whatever, you want to call, it online. i think it's a valuable clue. >> absolutely. i think another clue is that we have more guns than people in this country. and if we just look at this week alone, two days ago, a shooting in michigan. by the way, a student at that school was a survivor of the sandy hook -- >> two were at the oxford high school also. so, now kids are living through

to school shootings. >> crazy. yesterday, of course, marked five years since parkland. and today we have another shooting in texas. really, we're trapped as a country. and we have the bipartisan bill that just passed and that's a sign of progress, we need so much more. >> you know, it was with good to be able to hear from those families. i know for them to be able to do that was meaningful. but his point, it's about the guns. i've been lucky enough to travel all over the world. as a professional athlete. they have mental health issues all over the world. no other civilized country has this issue. they just don't. >> i interviewed the police commissioner of minneapolis, first new police commissioner since george floyd's murder two years ago. who came from newark, he had a career in newark now is in minneapolis. that he actually believes everything you guys just said. this is not a conservative republican democrat issue.

this is literally because there's an explosion of guns available, ghost guns, tracked guns, illegal guns. since covid. in a time of heightened isolation where people felt scared, where crime has gone up, people feel the need to arm themselves. so, accidents occur, mental illness occurs, there's more gun violence because of the preponderance. there's a direct link. >> i think the gun industry also has perpetuated this big lie that you just mentioned, which is people do feel that guns make you safe, but we have data to show that more guns mean less safe. so, i think unpacking that myth in a major way is so important, and not cozying up to the nra operative persuading their talking points. it is part of it. >> it's not even open for debate anymore, as far as i'm concerned, it is demonstrably true. that we are not keeping guns out of the hands of disturbed young men. and we see them as mass shooters and school shooters, and it happens time and again. they fit a profile, not all of them. they don't fit the exact same profile, but they sure are similar. to each other. and they shoot off warning

signs, always, they're disturbed and they're going to do something they often posted online, and then they do. >> i think we have to also talk in addition to talk about gun control, we have to talk about white supremacist violence specifically in the ideology of that. and why that is such a threat. i think, especially interviews i've done with black lives matter, cofounder alicia garza, interviews i've done with people in the community, activists, people who aren't activist as well, this concern about white supremacy in about this type of violence that we saw with january 6th, we saw with the buffalo shooting, we saw with the emanuel church shooting we talked about earlier. that is also a huge part of the issue. and black americans are incredibly concerned about this. i think the most recent polling i saw said that 70% of black americans believe this is the number one terrorist threat to our community. so, i think that's something we have to address in addition to gun control, what is motivating people to take on this ideology that is so dangerous and corrosive and what we do about it? >> excellent point. thank you all, really appreciate it, now two hopeful

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we continue to see astonishing stories of survival in turkey, ten days after the devastating earthquake that killed more than 41,000 people there and in syria. today, a woman and two children, eight and ten years old, were pulled alive out of the rubble

of their apartment building. rescuers say the victims were trapped for 228 hours. cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta is on the ground in turkey, he joins me now. sanjay, you've been doing such incredible work there. can you just explain how they're surviving? i thought that humans could only go a few days without water, how are people staying in the rubble eight, 9:10 days with no food or water? >> it is really truly remarkable, alison, if you look at these types of situations, the vast majority of rescues people being rescued 90% happen within the first 24 hours then after that typically the maximum time of the rescue is seven days so what we're seeing here is pretty extraordinary there can be also different reasons for that. part of it could just be the conditions, it's very cold which is a double edged sword, alison, on one hand it makes a very difficult the

circumstances around trying to rescue people. but it may also come down on peoples water needs. you typically think 100 hours, that's a ballpark figure, 100 hours is what someone might be able to go to without water. as you point out, people of an going longer, do they have sources of water? there certain parts where you've had rain, there is water available in some way. we don't know. but i can tell you this, i was spending time with the military today, they are still very much in search and rescue mode. at some point, they transition to more recovery mode. you don't get that sense at all, alison, people have been working around the clock, people are rising up, and i think they continue to get buoyed up when they hear about another rescue. which are still happening. >> we can hear, that we can hear the hoops and haulers go up, and it's just as i said, astonishing to see these survival's. and it gives us so much hope on every level. sanjay, what about the babies? we're also seeing babies and children pulled from the rubble

after days? i thought that babies, i remember having them, had to eat every 3 to 4 hours. how are babies surviving four days? >> again, it's one of those things where i think every circumstance is a bit different. i spent some time in a hospital yesterday, the initial story was that a baby had survived after many, many days. what we came to learn, the story just unbelievable, alison, this building collapsed, as it was happening, this baby five stories up was hurdled from the window, and actually came out the building. and then the building collapsed or pancake at that point. families inside, they were able to survive. it took them 14 hours to dig out the rubble, and then they went to look for the baby. we're talking several days. and could not find the baby. they assumed the worst. it turns out, a good samaritan actually rescued the baby, taken a baby to a hospital, they have a fractured leg, a fractured skull. but was alive.

so, this was a situation that's just very unusual, remarkable. again, people hesitate to use the word miraculous, but falling five stories, being rescued by a good samaritan, taken to the hospital and then ultimately reignited because someone showed a picture on social media to the mom of this baby. she wasn't sure it was her child, but then turns out, it was. they were reunited, allison. >> i don't think is any other word but miraculous for that story, sanjay, i saw that it's truly incredible. i know you've been spending time at the hospital, tell us some of the other things you've seen there. >> well, again, when you start to spend time with the survivors, and really hear their stories of what happened to them, we hear the binary person trapped, rescued, but there's so many different components to the story, i want you to hear this particular one from mr. barber in terms of how he was able to survive for so long.

i've got diabetes, you see, more important than food. there were some medication and a bottle of water. they all found down next to me, i swallowed some medication with water, the bottle was empty. so, what to do? this is a bit embarrassing urinated into it. and then i would drink it. that's the way i managed to survive. look, alison, extraordinary stories of survival. stories of people doing what they had to do in order to make it through. this and that is another example when you actually talk to people and hear how these sort of survival stories are unfolding. hear stories like that. >> incredibly resourceful. and he survived. and that is the whole point. sanjay, thank you so much for the work you are doing there. we wouldn't know the stories if you and sarah sidner and our story crews weren't there on the. trying to talk to you and

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okay, so inflation is making breakfast a lot more expensive. a dozen eggs are 70% more expensive than they were the austere this time. staples like cereal, coffee, and breakfast sausages are all up double digits. and now, an article in the wall street journal has a suggestion, maybe just skip breakfast. here with me, margaret hoover, kevon, shroff patrick mcenroe, and just a. washington, margaret, this is who worse than let them be cake. this is, like no coffee cake for you. >> i actually fundamentally

reject this advice. i think it's a terrible idea. everything your mother told, you breakfast is the most important deal of the day. it is actually substantiated by the data. i mean if you have breakfast you will have lower blood pressure. you will have low blood pressure. your cholesterol will be lower, last chance of heart disease, less chance of weight gain. all of the things that go downstream from just having breakfast in the morning. so you know what? inflation is hitting a lot of people. but there is a lot of ways you can redirect your resources in order to make sure you are doing a long term thing that's good for yourself. >> are you pro or anti breakfast? >> i have to admit, i'm a black coffee until 2 pm guy. >> no, no! so you are skipping lunch also! >> my take on this article, was what, what are they in this suggest, skip lunch and dinner, you will save a lot of money. it is a really sort of glib sort of response to real problems that people are facing. >> aren't you starving in the morning? >> i like to focus. >> really? >> this guy just passed the bar. >> oh my gosh. >> as a native new yorker, i,

mean there is nothing better than going to your local diner, give me two eggs over easy. i will go for the bacon. maybe i will try to cut back on the potatoes if i am trying to be, good get some tomatoes instead. >> yeah, sure. >> go big on breakfast. if you need to cut back, i would say cutback during lunch. right? i mean, you could make it from, if you have a good solid breakfast, why not go all the way -- >> maybe you, can speak for yourself. speak for yourself. >> you have to cut it somewhere. >> jessica, i wake up ravenous. like, i can't skip breakfast. are you a breakfast skipper? >> -- i'm not a breakfast paper. i have to have my smoothie. it is very important to me. and i will, say this is very bleak advice. it is very, i mean, the idea that we are asking the majority of americans to just skip breakfast when we know there are people with yachts. when we know there are jeff bezos out there. it is a ridiculous suggestion that most people should just skip breakfast, and that is a sad quote. it is fine, that's insane.

also, not to take it too seriously. but income inequality is a huge issue. there are people who do have to skip meals in order to survive. but the idea that this should just be general advice we are giving out is, i can't understand. >> jeff bezos should buy assault breakfast. and i mean the whole country. >> and lunch and dinner. >> he bought whole foods and then organize it to be delivered to our house. he is facilitating our ability to have eggs in our house. >> at a certain cost. i mean, here is the good news, this is the very good news for a lot of people. bacon is down. bacon is down 4%! particularly for, you. patrick because are you on some sort of keto magnus? >> i am trying, alison. i'm making the effort. >> how much they can do you consume a day? >> i try to have more eggs, which is a great source of protein and probably arguably cheaper than buying chicken or meat. >> have you notice the more expensive in the last year? >> i've known them a lot, that's why -- course of the, day cut back on the meat intake. >> well, no, you should just eat bacon. that is what i like.

>> i knew there was a reason i came here today. >> yeah, doctor camerota. >> thank you, doctor. >> bacon, that is like a gift from heaven that we are all going to be able to have cheaper bacon. who isn't excited about that? no, but i mean obviously it is a real problem. people grocery shopping are seeing the food price spike. but i don't know when that is going to turn around. because, you know, we keep hearing that inflation is being tackled but somehow the eggs have been caught up to. >> that will be, eggs to be clear, i mean, eggs are of 70% everything else is up between ten and 15. percent the reason is also there is an avian influenza. in the eye can history, there is also a lot of demand on eggs because other proteins are more expensive. so there is a lot of cross winds happening with the egg prices. >> but i think we are also seeing this frame, you should stop eating breakfast. i, mean massive corporate conglomerates could also contribute by not price gouging. and i think we are seeing that frame of millennials stopped buying coffee and alvarado toast, and everything will be solved. but really is a much more complicated than.

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>> good evening, we begin tonight with the single frame of video from the war in ukraine. the vehicle, they are standing -- the captors, the stunning reality and brutality of this