good morning, top of the hour here in the cnn "newsroom" i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sueciutto. >> the head of the epa is headed to ohio two weeks after a train derailment that leaked chemicals into the air and the ground and the water. >> why are people getting sick? >> everybody that came here -- >> the rail company norfolk southern abruptly pulled out of last night's town hall, citing security concerns we'll go live to east palestine in a moment. standing by for news out of georgia this morning. the fulton county district

attorney is expected to release parts of a special grand jury report on former president trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. it is expected what will be released will be concerns that the panel had about witnesses lying under oath. we are monitoring that. we'll bring you those details as soon as it's released. let's begin in east palstein ohio. residents demanding answers in the wake of that train wreck. they packed a town hall meeting. railroad officials didn't show, backed out at the last minute, citing employee safety concerns but still promised to somehow address residents. that move gave little reassurance to folks who feel unsafe right now in their own homes. >> they came to do air testing. i was demanding to know about

the water seven steps from my porch, so the airport sent a toxicologist who deemed my house not safe. if i had not used my mouth, thrown a fit, i would be sitting in that house they told me was not safe. jason carol joins us from east palestine. are folks there getting answers to their questions? >> reporter: some questions but for the most part a lot of people left feeling empty-handed. the question they're asking is, jim, what happens when the cameras are gone, what happens a year from now, two years from now, who's going to be out here testing the water then. who's testing the soil at that point? what ant their property values? so a whole host of questions and a number of people we spoke to

very upset that norfolk southern railroad was not here to answer questions. the feeling was they did not want to face the tough questions they have. and the feeling here is it's going to take more than just one town hall to make sure everyone's voices are heard. >> my kids say, the people say is the future of this community safe? >> i'm scared. for my family. i'm scared for my town. i grew up here. i'm related to 50% of them. >> do you trust them when they say the air has been tested and safe? >> no. >> and that the municipal water is safe? >> the air no. >> i don't trust anyone. . >> reporter: and once again, state and local officials say the air is safe and the water is safe. we're standing right here at leslie run, a creek that runs

through east palestine just a few days ago we saw dead fish several miles from here in this creek, this cleanup effort is under way. the epa says they're going to be here as long as it takes. the residents here not so sure. jim, erica? >> still a lot of questions and i'm sure the epa chief will be facing a number of them. if he's, in fact, in contact with some of those residents today, jason thank you. that release, of course, of parts of the special grand jury report into efforts by former president trump to overturn the election results imminent. >> so what's going to come out and not come out? >> we'll get the introduction of the report, the conclusion, as well as a section where the special grand jury laid out their concerns that some witnesses who appear before their panel may have lied under oath. so i think we'll look for the

tenor, try to read between the lines. and what we're not going to get is recommendations of who, if anyone, should face criminal charges. the judge said it's not fair to put that out, it's premature when no one has faced charges in this case. it goes back to 2021 with the phone call that donald trump made to brad raffensperger. >> when i see conclusion, makes me think there's a conclusion whether they charge or don't charge. >> that's getting the tenor of where they're going. their names are going to be redacted but the report lays out a bunch of different lines, the name of a person, why we think they should or should not face charges and then summing up months of their work. and, you know, this is a panel that heard from 75 witnesses, including people close to the former president, like south

carolina senator, lindsey graham, like rudy giuliani, his former attorney. so they have a lot of information. how much we ir're going to see today is a big question. >> a remarkable witness list. thank you so much. joining us now elie honing. as we look at this, 75 witnesses. these are recommendations, of course, recommendations only, not indictments. but you know as sarah noted everyone will be reading between the lines. what are you going to be looking for elie, especially when it comes to these lying witnesses we're hearing about? >> so we 'going to be getting the start and the end and a little bit of the middle of this report. we're going to get the introduction, the conclusion, this bit about potentially lying witnesses. i'm looking for -- sarah said the right word, what is the tenor, the tone we're seeing in this grand jury report. i think we will be able to tell from the introduction and the conclusion, at a minimum, does this grand jury recommend that

there is a crime here, we could see an introduction to say we believe there was a criminal scheme to interfere with the election in georgia we could see we believe there is no crime committed here. i believe it's the former. sounds like the grand jury found there are at least some crimes. and it's important to note what we will see today, we know in that report a specific list of individuals and recommendations as to whether they should or should not be dindicted. this other thing, this is just a recommendation from the grand jury. ultimately it's up to the da to design whether she wants to take this case for indictment to a regular grand jury. >> if this conclusion is going to say, hey, it s -- again we d know it's going to say this -- but if it says we've seen this evidence there's enough to charge for a crime. that's no small thing if special

grand jury concluded there was criminal activity. >> that's right. that's why i. right to the conclusion and look for that. if it says there was criminal activity that has to be done by somebody. we know the focus of the entire investigation has been donald trump if you envision the entity as a pyramid, donald trump sits at the top of it. we won't know the recommendations of any specific individual but we should know from today's release whether the grand jury believes there was a crime committed. >> quickly i want to get you on mark meadows, former chief of staff. special counsel seems to be moving quickly here. is that because by the time he came in a lot of this work was done and now we're at a point where these subpoenas make sense for a mike pence or mark meadows

or is he more aggressive? >> i think it's both. he had the ground work the doj laid out for the year and a and a half that merrick garland was running the investigation. but look, merrick garland could have subpoenaed mike pence, mark meadows a year and a half ago. and now we're seeing jack smith firing off the subpoenas and engaging in legal fights. so we have a quicker moving more aggressive prosecutor running the case now. >> here's a guy that has prosecuted war crimes before, seems pretty tough on this. thanks so much. sources say the fbi conducted two searches at the university of delaware in recent weeks. this in connection with president biden's handling of classified documents. >> cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid joining us with more. what do we know about the

searches? >> reporter: this is the fourth location in connection with president biden that the fbi has searched in the investigation of the possible mishandling of classified materials. they searched two locations at the university of delaware on two different days. one was the senate archive, biden donated a lot of materials from his time in the senate to the university. the other search was related to materials he has sent there in recent years. we learned the fbi did retrieve some materials from the university, though sources say t they did not appear to have classified markings and are being reviewed. these searches were with the consent and cooperation with the biden legal team. but the white house has been selective in when they will be transparent and what they will share with the public. and this search only came to light through media reporting. >> as so often. paula reid, thanks so much.

at this hour president biden ar arriving at walter reed medical center. there for his annual physical. this as cnn has reporting inside the democratic party as to whether his age should be a factor for 2024. we know for one person outside the party it already is. >> america is not passed the prime. it's just that our politicians are past theirs. new overnight, one person killed, three injured in a shooting at an el paso mall next door to the walmart that was the sight of a horrific mass shooting in 2019. details on the off-duty officer who may have prevented this from being worse. later, the harrowing story of one ukrainian village, all the people there spent nearly a month in a basement held captive by russian forces. it was heldish down there under

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we're just a lot more healthier as a family in general. moments ago president biden arriving at walter reed, the national military medical center in maryland. he's there for his yearly physical, it's happening amid scrutiny on his age. biden is the oldest president in history at 80. though he has not announced his re-election bid, the woman who hopes to be the candidate in 2024 is pitching herself as the younger and better. >> and the permanent politician will finally retire in the america i see. we'll have term limits for

congress. and mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over 75 years old. >> it seems not just at biden but also at trump. isaac, how is the biden camp, i'm sure seemingly prepared for these questions, how are they planning to respond? >> it's not breaking news the president is 80 years old but he's the oldest president ever and running for re-election he would be 86 by the end of his term if he were to win it. they want to make it about wisdom and experience, about the president being a contrast to the chaos they see in the republican party. of calm and competence. and yes, he's old but he has benefitted from what has come with the years. >> sounds like reagan in 1984. i regret the youth and inexperience of my opponent. is there anybody inside the administration who's trying to put a hand on his shoulder

saying you did your job? >> it doesn't seem like that is happening but you do see in larger democratic circles is a constant worry about this. how it could be talked about, how it could be a liability for him. how it just maybe people will think it's too much. what the state of the union was for a lot of people around the president was an important moment for the president to stand up in front of the country and not about anything he said but to show, look, here i am speaking for an hour and a half, interacting with these hecklers, shaking hands in the aisle afterwards and showing that he is a guy who is up to the job and for a lot of democrats that i talked to in the last week who were feeling nervous about it, they felt that speech did a lot to calm their anxiety. >> there was something to that long line of hand shakes afte afterwards. isaac, thank you so much. >> thank you. joining us now is white

house correspondent for the new york city and cnn political analyst and commentator and assistant to president bush scott jennings. there was this polling, of course, we remember going into the state of the union, a lot of democrats and democratic leaning independents were not sold on joe biden 2024 but in the wake of the state of the union there was talk about a renewed energy, the way he pushed back in real time on certain events given what we're seeing now, the initial message from nikki haley. is any of the thinking or planning on team biden changing now as they move forward and address the age issue? >> there's definitely sort of renewed momentum after the midterms. and when you talk to allies of the president, when you talk to white house officials, you know, there hasn't been a change in terms of the backing. often the two things they bring up whenever you ask about the

president's age and you ask about him running for re-election is, one, that he's the person who beat donald trump. and the second, which i find to be telling is, if not him, then who else? that anxiety also hasn't changed about another candidate that could potentially win in 2024. which i think says a lot about the current state and approach of the white house but also the overall democratic party. that hasn't changed. and the state of the union did help. a lot of people were kind of relieved to see the energy and the back and forth, some have described to me as he showed some agility as well when it came to the heckling and the response to some republicans as well. so they're going to aim to try to get him out more, continue to travel and show that more in the weeks ahead. >> scott, as we look at this in terms of nikki haley's message, yes, playing on age.

she seems to also want to distance herself from donald trump but she has yet to do so. she was pressed twice by sean hannity on fox where do you differ in your policies, she dodged that question twice. did it again this morning on the today show when she was asked for specifics. listen to that. >> president zelenskyy has asked for f-16s do we give those to him? >> we give him what he needs to win not money but equipment. >> you realize there's daylight between you and the other declared republican on that front. >> there's daylight between me and joe biden. >> you have to win the primary. you're talking about president biden a lot, but there are only two candidates in the republican primary right now you and your former boss. >> you guys are obsessed with me talking about him. >> there are two candidates. >> i don't kick sideways, i kick forward. joe biden has not led. >> get used to that. i have heard i don't kick sideways, i kick forward four times in the last 18 hours.

when it comes to this campaign, to the substance, is this campaign ready for primetime if she cannot answer a question on how are you different from your former boss? >> a great strategic question not just her but these people who worked for donald trump, mike pence, mike pompeo, if donald trump was your boss and he's running for president and you're in the race, why would people support you? if you can't articulate differences, that's the problem. on foreign policy her instincts are to separate and have a more robust america engagement than trump, but even her answer on that, we should give them equipment but not money. how do you get equipment? you have to buy it. these aren't down at the five and dime, you have to pay somebody for them. so even on that she was trying to put a foot in both camps.

this is a difficult dance to do. she's behind both desantis and trump. some level the people way behind, everybody else, you are going to have to come up with something creative and unique that separates yourself and gives people the idea that not only can you be the republican nominee but you can beat a democratic. >> we have lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight elections. we need somebody to do that because winning without winning the popular vote is difficult. >> it's interesting you point out who ultimately rubepublican are going to end up with. you eluded to this, part of the fear in reporting that i'm reading if it's not joe biden -- by all accounts it's joe biden put forth in 2024 as the nominee for the direct party because if not joe biden, then who? >> that's right. that points to still some concerns often democrats

speaking anonymously will express concerns about the vice president and sort of the political future of vice president kamala harris. we reported on that, me and my colleagues last year as well. the white house, on the record, would definitely defend her and say she's been a great partner of president biden and has made strides the past two years but you still have democrats across the nation that still do express anxiety around the political future of harris. that's what they point to here. that being said, you can't deny when you ask the white house about the president's age there are some that do get defensive at times and that's because, you know, of various polling that we've seen of the fact that republicans have seized on it to attack the white house as well. but that being said, it's still we've seen indications we are still headed towards a likely re-election announcement. and you can point to the increased travel. you can point to the state of the union. you can point to some former

white house officials now going to the dnc as well. >> we'll be watching all of it. it's going to keep all of us very busy. gentlemen appreciate it as always. new details about the note found in the michigan state university shooter's backpack and the targets he had in line. we'll have more when we come back.

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another day in america. that's video of people running for their lives during a shooting. this one at a mall in el paso,

texas. you can see one of the injured taken away there. in the wake at least one person dead, three others injured. two people are now in custody. one of them caught by an off-duty officer working security at a store in that mall during the shooting. a motive, and we always ask these questions after these acts, still unclear. >> it's important to note the location here. this is el paso, this mall is next to the walmart where a gunman killed 23 people in august of 2019, injured nearly two dozen. the gunman pleaded guilty last week to 90 federal charges as part of a plea deal. >> i was at that sheeting. >> -- i was at that shooting. >> we both were. in a few minutes officials will give an update on monday's shooting at michigan state university. overnight cnn learned the gunman had a two page note in his backpack which listed other possible targets and claimed

another team would finish off the city of lansing not sure what he was addressing. >> adrienne broaddus is in lansing with more for us. what more do we know about the no n note? >> reporter: we know he started with an introduction, this is according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation. he said hi my name is anthony mcrae, he says i will shoot up msu. another team will quote finish off the city of miscellansing. other targets of businesses. we're not naming those businesses. we know he targeted a warehouse, employment agency, a church, and a fast food restaurant. we're learning this information

less than 24 hours after more than 2,000 people at least gathered on campus last night to hold a vigil. talking about students, people from the community, faculty, prop professors and the state's governor. and the big question on many people's minds who have spoken with us. many of them students who barely spoke above a whisper at the vigil last night said they want to know why. they are also hoping to get more answers from law enforcement officials in regards to how that 43-year-old shooter who police say had no ties to msu obtained the gun. hopefully and most likely we will have more answers in the hour or so as you see behind me. members of law enforcement are setting up to brief the media. erica and jim? >> we'll have more answers, not all of them. adrienne broaddus thank you so much.

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just moments ago, the president of belarus reassured the world and his country, i imagine, he will not be sending his country's own troops to ukraine any time soon. he said in a press conference there's no way it would happen unless ukraine commits aggression towards belarus. >> lukashenko is set to sit down with president putin tomorrow. fred, what is the significance, this meeting, the timing of the meeting what more did you hear from lukashenko?

>> reporter: i think the significance of that meeting, first of all because the war is about a year old now and there's a lot of people who believe there's a big offensive coming from the russians and that offensive might be happening. of course, the big question is will belarus at some point get more involved in that. that's not only about sending troops as far as that is concerned but it's also russians launching air strikes or missile strikes from belarussian territory. luke lukashenko did say he would not send his forces to ukraine unless ukraine attacked belarus. we were at the border area between ukraine and belarus yesterday but i did confront lukashenko and said it didn't seem to me the russians were making progress, instead were

killing a a lot of ukrainian civilians. and here's what he said. >> translator: this is another rhetorical question why do you support ukraine, pumping it with weapons instead of sitting down to negotiate as i suggest. you're discussing sending long range weapons, an f 16 fighter jets after hundreds of leopard tanks are going there, why are you doing this? you understand this is e escalation? >> reporter: he said he believes in the end russia will win. and he said essentially what he will like to see happen is for president biden to come here tominsk for peace talks. >> frederik pleitgen, thanks so much. we're coming up on nearly a year since russia's evaluation of ukraine.

several areas of the country are noun known for the atrocities they bore witness to. among them an entire village of 400 held hostage in the basement of a school where russians were above them, confined even with the dead as the elderly, some of them went insane. many slept standing up, space, food, air scarce. one survivor said life in the basement was like hell.

joining me from western ukrainian is the journalist who reported this story for time magazine in partnership with the reckoning partnership. thanks for joining us this morning. >> hi, thank you. >> your account here is moving. it's an account from all indications of a war crime here, no better way to describe this than a makeshift concentration camp. for weeks people sleeping sitting up, they had to use buckets for toilets. they had to sleep with the dead because they weren't allowed to bury them. i wonder, having met these people, how did they manage to survive all this? >> yes, as you mentioned, those people themselves they described this experience as a concentration camp they found the analogy in the history to describe what they lived through. and i was surprised, actually, to see how full of light those

people emerged from those experience after i saw them half a year after march 2022. like they experienced terrible things obviously but they were still capable of telling about them in a way that you still could see hope in their stories. but, of course, what they lived through is terrible. is 25 nights some of them even more in the basement. with half a square meter for person, day and night in the basement, sometimes in the day they were allowed to go outside to go to the toilet or to bring some food from their home, the food the russians left for them because they basically ate everything. >> they were under threat. the soldiers told them outright we're going to kill you. now it seems this town adds its name to a list of ukrainian

cities that are identified with crimes. think of bucha, mariupol. is their treatment being investigated as a war crime? >> yes. what happened is being investigated, it's in the process. the whole village, it's a small one, the whole village was occupied by huge amount of russians soldiers. and four of them right now have been convicted by in absentia by ukrainian court three got 12 years in prison and one ten years. but, of course, this is not enough. and this was not for what the russian soldiers did to the people in the basement. this was for their actions, their crimes that happened not in the school basement. so we're still waiting to the results of the investigation about the school basement itself because this is one of the most

horrific story that we have of the first days of the first month of the invasion. this story you cannot imagine how people live through this, but they did, although 10 people died in the basement because of lack of oxygen. >> and they were fired upon as you recount in the story when they tried to bury their dead outside the school. you also describe at the end, this moment of peace and hope as they leave the basement there and you have this image of birds returning to the school for the first time, it's almost biblical image. you're from donetsk which has suffered as well in this. do you see a moment of hope in the end? >> yes. we are working for this and in the reckoning project working for this, combining journalism

story telling and the legal approach to -- we record testimonies for those testimonies will be used in future to convict those who are guilty. >> well, you're doing your part here by creating a historical record of this. we appreciate you coming on. a note for all of you. you can see the full video, as well as firsthand accounts of the villages, their story of sur survival. look how they were cramped in that basement, this is all for weeks this is at time.com. still ahead, just as the acting faa chief is set to face lawmakers over computer system travels, safety lapses, travel meltdowns. a new investigation begins into yet another close call on a runway. stay with us.

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well, a fresh warning to congress to raise the debt ceiling by summer or risk

economic catastrophe coming from the bipartisan committee if the u.s. defaults on the debt as it is hanging in the balance. >> look at that current debt limit $134 trillion. and the cbo is predicting a slowdown in economic growth looking at the adjusted inflation growth due to these hike. christine romans is joining us now. this is a socisobering result, is this a warning to get your act together? >> yes, a warning that the first report of the krscbo is that th is when the u.s. is going to be run out of money and presumably the government would pay interest on the debt so you don't have a default of that magnitude, and that means that the ious is that default on the

active member military and this could throw the economy overnight into a recession and so you have a moment where the economy goes into recession, and another situation where the higher interest rates and the growing number of people relying more on health care and more on social security and those higher costs are going to mean that the national debt will rise another $19 trillion over the next decade. so as the short-term problem which is paying for bills that have been spent and not causing a crisis this summer over the debt ceiling, and then the longer term discussion of how to get the financial house in order, and congress has to do both of the things. >> let me ask you a question, christine romans. when the fed sees this report and says, if these hikes continue, the economic growth is going to zero out, and the fed says, hmm, maybe we should hold

out, and get the inflation under control, but the zero growth is even worse. >> as they get out too far out, there are hundreds of variables, because what the fed is trying to do right now is to get the inflation under control and we saw this morning a i would say warm producers report, and job layoffs that were low, and yesterday, i told you as i told you that the retail sales are very, very strong, so the fed is trying to kill the inflation here at this point, because it is the near-term problem that is the most dangerous. and so i think that just taking over the last three or four days, you are pretty much going to see the interest rate hikes ahead, and you are right, jim, the higher interest rate hikes means to service the hikes further out, and it is dangerous and delicate game here. >> no question. >> christine romans, appreciate

it as always. >> and ntsb is investigating the third runway call in less than a month. a jet and a cargo plane came dangerously close in january. >> at one point they were only 1,000 feet apart which is minuscule at these speeds. congress is stepping in and grilling the acting faa administrator, and gabe cohen reports. a series of system meltdowns and near disasters. >> we cannot and must not become come play complacent. >> reporter: this is landing the director on the hot seat. >> we need to know more about the system. >> reporter: this is the system that is triggering the first national ground stop since 9/11 and the cause is a contractor accidentally deleting files in

system maintenance. >> they no longer have access to the system or another system. >> reporter: the faa is moving to a modernized system by 2025 and for now it is putting in the safeguards to prevent the repeat. >> we are halfway through it in terms of the modernization of the no-tem system. >> can a single screw-up ground air traffic nationwide? >> we are redundancy here, and could i sit here and tell you there could be another failure, no, i cannot, but we are making every effort to modernize and look at the procedures. >> reporter: but now the aviation safety is under the microscope after two near collisions at jfk in austin and a united 777 diving near the ocean after taking off in hawaii and reasons that united and the

faa are keeping confidential. >> do you have an answer today of why that occurred? >> no, ma'am, that is an investigation continuing. >> reporter: and now there is a review of the system with industry partners next month to gain plan solutions and dig through the flight data to see if more of the incidents are happening. >> can i styay to the american public that we are safe, yes, we are. can we be better, absolutely, and this is the piece we are working on. >> reporter: and now we have learned about the third recent incursion in honolulu on january 23rd, and it shows a united 777 land and then turn towards the next runway and you can see the animation here, and then this plane then crossed that next runway over despite being told to wait by air traffic control right in front of the small cargo plane that was just landing on that same runway, and the faa says that the aircraft

was still little more than 1,100 feet apart and neither plane had to abort and so, jim, not as close as jfk and austin, but the ntsb is investigating, and again, it is the list that keeps growing of these close calls. >> that is too close for me watching that animation. gabe cohen, thank you for following. thank you very much. any moment now, the officials are expected to give an update of the deadly mass shooting there in michigan state university, and you can see the podium there, and we are live next. and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. this week is your chance to try any - subway footlong for free. like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. free monsters, free bosses, any footlong for free! this guy loves a great offer. let's see some hustle! ♪ ♪ a bunch of dead guys made up work, way back when. ♪

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