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senator john fetterman checking himself into walter reed hospital for treatment for depression. and actor bruce willis suffering from a form of dementia. we'll get the latest for you. plus, the crisis in east palestine, ohio, continues in the wake of that train derailment. the wreckage burned for days and tonight children are suffering from nausea and rashes and one resident we'll speak to says his mouth tastes like a battery. >> we need help. we do. people are getting sick. >> aliens have not landed here. at least they're not behind those flying objects the pentagon has been shooting out of the sky. >> what do you honestly hope to see? >> i don't know. maybe nothing. >> is this why we came out here, mulder? to look for ufos? >> tonight we'll tell you the latest theory on what those ufos are. okay, here with me is our panel,

we have lz granderson and kristen soltis anderson. no relation and natasha alfred and dr. debbie of nyu school of medicine. guys, thanks so much for being with you. let's start with serious issue of health issues. senator john fetterman and get to actor bruce willis. let's talk about senator fetterman because he has checked himself in after going to the attending physician of the u.s. congress for his depression and the attending physician suggested that he go to walter reed so can you tell us, i mean there's something like i think i have the stats here, something like 20%, 22% of americans at this moment are suffering from depression. 60% of them do not seek help. so what is the factor that would lead a doctor to say actually you need impatient help right now? >> well, impatient is so hard to get for many reasons because of insurance and other factors, so

right now, doctors will probably say if the person poses harm to themselves or harm to others, but that's not necessarily how we decide if a person needs treatment so typically in terms of treatment you could think about nonpharmocologic treatment, pharmocologic treatment and in this case if a person has medical condition like a stroke it could look like depression. they could have an infection or something else that needs to be treated. >> he was checking into just sort of explore it more and examine it more, you think? >> exactly. well, first so i person could have fatigue or a depressed mood. what happens with depression people can have a feeling they don't want to eat. they don't want to move. they feel tired. these are usually nonspecific symptoms. now, there can be other things that point you towards depression but you want to get checked out first especially anybody who has had a history of stroke, they can be more at risk for depression, because of the area of the brain that might be affected.

they can be more at risk of depression because, you know, probably they're having trouble sleeping because of the stroke itself. they also can have trouble just functioning, so depending on how your stroke has affected you, you may have trouble communicating. that will make you more isolated from other people. you may have trouble with weakness, maybe on one side of your body so that can affect how you could brush your teeth, how you could get dressed or how you get out and interact with the community, et cetera. if it's afenging you in all aspects of your life you may get situational depression as well. so all of these things could affect you. he may have actual depression that needs to be treated but in terms of impatient access he may actually have an advantage compared to the average person who may want to get checked in and be hospitalized. the average person may have a harder time. >> oh, yes, we do know people have a hard time getting access to mental health. natasha, we read he had been struggling to adapt to the senate. he had been -- because of his communication issues, he had not been just -- it hadn't been an

easy transition. >> well, we also read that he had been struggling with depression long before in his life, right, i think that's an important thing to keep in mind. you know, the depression doesn't go away just because you won an election that was hotly contested. it doesn't go away because you have achieved something and i think it's really brave he checked in. i think it's brave to share the story publicly because it shows that you can be high functioning with depression. it also shows that chronic illness has a deeper impact than people realize so people struggle with their health and that translates to, you know, an emotional and mental struggle as well so i think it actually makes him relatable which was what made him so successful when he ran. >> lz, in fact, there are several lawmakers who have had physical disabilities or have worked through a stroke and they've come back and been able to work. but there was a time in the not too distant past when depression had such a stigma that it was

sort of seen as disqualifying for elected officials. >> well, if you look at the campaign trail, some people still think it's disqualifying the way it was used during the primary as well as during the general election. it's a heartbreaking story because he worked so hard obviously to get to this place in life and i wonder if part of the depression is knowing he can't be the person he wanted to be in this moment. and that perhaps he's letting people down. there could be depression linked to the fact that his family is concerned. remember what the environment was like when he was running and how critical it was when he won that seat unexpectedly there was a sigh of relief for one side of the party recognizing they had power. maybe he's feeling guilt knowing if he bows out perhaps that power becomes in doubt. it's heartbreaking because there's more than just his own health, i'm sure he's processing all of this. >> kristen, senator ted cruz sent a kind tweet out today and, you know -- >> who? >> senator ted cruz. >> oh, okay.

>> i'll read it to you, lz, he says, heidi and i are lifting john up in prayer, mental illness is real and serious and i hope he gets the care he needs regardless of which side of the political aisle you're on. please respect his family's need for privacy. i think that was kind. we live in this time when people size on perceived weaknesses on the other side or their opponents. >> there are so many americans who are touched by mental illness and tear family for their loved ones for themself and it does not care what party you're in. so good for senator cruz for sending that note. right now senator fetterman deserves our empathy, our compassion, our care, our understanding and in the same way voters deserve the transparency he's providing about his condition. i'm sure he's not the first to serve in the united states senate to face a big mental health challenge. he may be one of the first to be as open but voters deserve this type of transparency both before and after an election. >> speaking about the voters, at

one -- at what point does it become complicated? how long will they give him? i guess how long will constituents give him for his recovery? >> that's a great "question of the day" because i think it depends on the motive. was it about trumpism or him? where is their allegiance? if it's to the party then maybe the patience isn't as long because they just want to secure a democrat in that seat but if it's to him maybe there is more patience he be met with and grace. >> i think either way they have to tread carefully. we saw attacks from dr. oz on his physical health. in some ways it did not work the way he intended. it actually rallied a lot of people to support john fetterman because of compassion and empathy and seeing themselves in someone who was being relatable. >> certainly people can relate to depression and strokes and health issues. but at the same time people -- their constituents do want

services and we'll see what that balancing act is and it's early days. i want to move on to actor bruce willis. he's suffers, dr. devi, from a form of dementia. >> so frontotemporal dementia. at the end of the day the way these affect you whether alzheimer's or this one which used to -- also called pick's dementia basically can affect your appetite or your mobility. so if you stop eating or stop moving at the end of the day, that's how all of us eventually will pass. it doesn't affect your memory so much as your personality and language. that might be also why he first was diagnosed with the aphasia. but that's the type of dementia he's now been diagnosed with. >> it's, you know, brave of his family to do this publicly. he could have just vanished and we wouldn't have necessarily known that bruce willis was going through all this and particularly for somebody who personified, you know, this

heroic superstar, movie star, it's sad obviously to see him going through this but i think generous of his family, kristen, to put this out there. >> it's good to put it out there and rhame sure there are many americans who can relate. there's been criticism about the way his career has gone over the last couple of years, him sort of being in a lot of movies and to what extent was that his own choice versus those around him kind of pushing him to keep doing it but, of course, with him sort of personifying strength and masculinity and yet, you know, now the disclosure of this i'm hopeful at least it can help others who have a loved one, they can help them relate and feel less alone. >> i hope so too. thanks very much. appreciate the perspective. it's almost two weeks since that toxic train derailment in ohio. officials say it's safe but families disagree. i'll talk to two fathers worried about their kids' estimates tonight. mbolize the environments we travel. today we unite w with the elements that have always been at our core. as every action counts,, we are committed

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tonight a new cnn analysis into what went wrong in the minutes before that norfolk southern train derailed in east palestine, ohio, nearly two weeks ago. this newly obtained video shows sparks flying from an overheated wheel. this is at least 43 minutes before the derailment occurred. the residents continue to express frustration and fear about the toxic spill. today ohio senator j.d. vance posted this video showing a local creek. >> let me just show this to

people. watch this. just see that chemical pop out of the creek. this is disgusting. >> as you can see it's sort of iridescent in the creek. both are residents of east palestine. they returned to their home after the evacuation order was lifted thinking it was safe and gregory masher has not yet returned with his three young granddaughters who as a result are out of school. thanks for being here. gregory, you haven't wanted to go back yet. staying with your friend because your granddaughters came down with rashes on their bodies. you sent us pictures that we can pull up. do they still have these rashes? this is one of their chests and legs, feet. do they still have these? >> no. they -- we got out of town on sunday. the sunday after the wreck and by wednesday it started letting

up and they haven't been back to town since. >> and so what about school? what are you doing for them with school? >> well, luckily they've been good about it. i call in every day and i'll get all their work. i'm not sure if we can go to online schooling or not, but i just don't trust going back yet. >> and can you stay with your friend indefinitely? i mean how inconvenient is this to your lives? very inconvenient but we have a lot of friends and can make it work. >> it's not idea. giovanni, you did go back because you were staying at an airbnb that got too expensive. northern suffolk wouldn't reimburse you for it saying it was too expensive. >> correct. >> they told you it was safe to go back. you went back and what happened to your kids physically? >> we came back saturday and we were released to come back wednesday. and the kids went to school monday, my son came home, had a

fever, a headache. we had to wake him up at like 9:00 p.m. and kind of get him aid. and tuesday our daughter came home projectile vomiting everywhere. >> you sent us a picture. i want to tell everybody. you sent us some video of her vomiting. i know that is a trigger for people so we have tried to cut it delicately to show just what you and your wife are going through without it causing anybody who is watching any distress. maybe we can just put it up but is she still dealing with this? how are they feeling now? >> they're both fighting fevers right now. the doctor is ready to test the vomit. they just don't know what to test for. so hopefully we can try to find some answers with all this so we can get it out of the fridge. >> i mean obviously, giovanni, you know, kids get sick. kids get sick at school. there could be a stomach bug.

are you sure this is connected in your mind to the chemical spill? >> honestly i'm not sure. i mean, i'd like to get it tested to find out, though, you know, i don't want to take it, you know, as a stomach bug. >> yeah. and what are your symptoms? >> honestly, my mouth and my tongue feels like i've had a battery on it since we've been here. >> so it's a constant metallic taste for you? >> yes. >> that's awful, giovanni. what do the officials there tell you about when this is going to go away and when it's going to be cleaned up and you'll feel better. >> well, that's the thing. we came back trusting that everything was okay because we're a little naive and it's really not okay and something does need to happen and i wish that we were in the position where we could all just stay away. you know, but at the same time, you know, if we weren't there

for the mayor yesterday, nothing would have panned out the way it did. >> tell me about that because -- so you went to that town hall meeting and did you -- did you inspire the mayor or rally the mayor, i guess, to get out in the middle with a bull horn and talk to everybody? >> yes, we basically just told him, you know, we're here for you. we need you to be here for us and if this isn't how you want this meeting to go, you know, why have the railroad tell you how to conduct your meeting. this is our town. we're here for you and we'll stand behind you, beside you, wherever you need us and he changed the entire script and even admitted that the railroad company wanted him to do this like a science fair. >> gregory, what have officials told you about when you'll be able to go back? >> well, they tell us we can go back. but i don't feel comfortable going back. irdon't feel comfortable for my granddaughters going back. i was at the meeting. i feel bad for our city officials in our town, nobody was equipped to handle this. nobody should have to go through

it. i don't know when i can go. i don't know when i'm going to feel comfortable. these girls are everything and i can't just take the word of somebody. i have to feel it and the taste, like giovanni said and i coached his daughter in basketball too, everybody's close. we all look after each other's kids and the smell and the taste is just something you can't describe but it does -- you can taste it and it's terrible and it was bad today too again. >> yeah, it sounds awful. it sounds awful and obviously you're both trying to approach it in different way, both of them sound like nothing that anybody would want to live through. we've tried to reach out to norfolk southern and have not heard back. obviously we will continue trying to reach them. guy, stay in touch with us and let us know what's happening with your kids' health, your own health and when you can get back into your homes and regular lives. really appreciate it and we're thinking of you tonight. >> thank you very much.

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president biden got his physical today at walter reed. probably his last checkup before he's expected to announce he's running for re-election. he's already our oldest president. he'd be 86 at the end of a second term. so what do the results of his physical tell us? back with me we have lz granderson, kristen soltis anderson and derek thompson, staff writer for "the atlantic" and dr. devi is back. he is apparently according to his own doctor he remains a healthy vigorous 80-year-old male fit to do the duties of the presidency. all questions answered. >> i think this has -- goes to the doctor/patient relationship, right? this is his personal physician so we are talking about bruce willis, we were talking about john fetterman. you know, and those situations

both people were concerned perhaps about their symptoms, so they're going to get treated and talking about perhaps their problems to figure out what's going on and in this case, you know, we don't know what president biden is concerned about and what he's talking to his physician about, so we're not seeing necessarily a battery of tests. it doesn't sound like a bunch of cognitive tests were performed. usually you could have norco psych testing performed if you're concerned about language. as people get older there could be problems with memory, word recall, kind of remembering the correct name for things and executive functioning. a lot will have trouble with their bank accounts, balancing their budgets, kind of paying their bills on time, driving. sometimes we'll send people for driving simulation so in this case none of these things are really being done. now, president biden also is -- he has atrial fibrillation. a person can develop dementia if they've had multiple strokes. these are things if a person was concerned, they might send, you know, the patient to neurology

or psychiatry for further evaluation but that hasn't happened. >> he did have a neurological exam. >> primary care, by a primary care physician. not a neurologist. >> not deep enough. president biden does have word finding difficulties. he does. i mean, any time you hear him in a speech he does -- i don't know if that's his stutter or if that's the prompter. he does and as you know his critics seize on that so just him getting a clean bill of health won't stop them from seizing on that. >> no, but, i mean, that's been a hallmark of who he has been publicly for decades now. he's someone who has a reputation of kind of verbally or communication with his mouth having issues from time to time whether he stumbles, says the wrong things, gets ahead, et cetera, et cetera, he's suffering from the fact that as americans we don't like to see older people. like we like to get older but we have a problem culturally with seeing age and i think he's also suffering a little bit from

that. people see him visually reminding them of mortality and makes them uncomfortable. >> what do you think? >> look, i think that the idea of, you know, should we give a cognitive test to folks after a certain age, the campaign trail is the ultimate cognitive test. you've got to be out there meeting people, being investigate ross, being vibrant, giving speeches, answering questions. that's frankly why republicans gave biden so much grief after the 2020 or during the 2020 election alleging, oh, he's campaigning from his basement due to the pandemic, he didn't have to be as out there as investigate ross as public as he may have been under other circumstances. but hopefully we are not dealing with another pandemic in the 2024 election and should president biden choose to run again, he will be expected to answer tough questions, to be out on the trail, to meet and greet people especially if he's running against a republican who, well, might be a rematch of biden versus trump but could be biden versus a number of

republicans who are in their 40s and 50s and will want to draw that contrast. >> a great point. the campaign itself is a stress test and it does take stamina. obviously to be in a campaign and to be president. >> there's no question he has stamina. the ageism question, it's absolutely ageist to say that any 80-year-old has to take a cog think tiff test for any job. this is not any job. this is the most important job in the world and 2017 -- in 2017 and 2018 "the atlantic," "the new york times," writers and people from cnn said donald trump should trach a cognitive test and said he was slipping. >> he did take one. >> he did, yeah, exactly. a man, woman, television camera person. i can -- i have explicit memory of everything he said. >> let me play that for one second to remind everybody of the results that he -- >> people will see i got it wrong. >> he passed with flying colors, he said. >> first questions are very easy, the last questions are much more difficult. like a memory question, it's

like you'll go person, woman, men, camera, tv. so they say could you repeat that. so i said, yeah, so it's person, woman, man, camera, tv. okay, that's very good. if you get it in order you get extra points. >> so good. >> i don't get extra points the first time. i want to make a weird connection at first. in the last week when we shot those things out of the sky the lack of information on the part of the federal government created a vacuum into which conspiracy theories flooded and people started saying, oh, my god. are we being invaded by aliens? it's ufos. biden says it's balloons. we shot down some balloons. when the government doesn't give enough information, people become conspiracy theorists. the president's 80 years old.

the risk for dementia increases. he will reduce the number of conspiracy theories about his mental acute if he releases more information about his cognitive ability. >> you're assuming they'll believe the information and i don't think you necessarily need to just be filled with constant information in order to trust an entity or enterprise or organization or a form of government. but you certainly need to be able to if you tell someone that you have to have trust between the two parties that you're going to believe what is being said. you're suggesting that if he just simply says, hey, here's all the information, now there's no more conspiracy theories we've already seen that's not going to happen. that's not true. >> i would say rather than think of releasing a cognitive test as a kind of vaccine against conspiracy theories that wiping them out it's adville or aspirin. it tempers them down. a marginal game, 48/48 country. it's always about winning at the margins. if he can prove to people who might have had doubts that he doesn't have the kind of disabilities that other people

are suggesting, that is powerful information for people who would vote for him except for their fears about this one piece of information. >> i hear what you're saying. i just think that, you know, when you watch other networks, they edit it strategically to show his flubs and him stammering. they do that and then they sort of, you know, send -- wring their hands about how concerned they are so i don't even know if seeing test results would help people compared to the video. >> i think the state of the union was so fascinating as like a otest. if i'm a democrat -- i was nervous. his delivery wasn't great. stumbling over words then came the moment when he got into it with the republicans and suddenly it was like a different joe biden. i mean, setting the policy debates and beefs aside, his demeanor was changed after that moment and suddenly all the post-speech reviews were look how energetic he is.

oh, of course he'll run for president again. we forgot that first 20 minutes a little bit so you can see what you want to see. voters will see what they want to see but there is that slice of swing voters to derek's point who are looking for reassurance and they'll look for it anywhere. >> test results only tell you so much. you can't look at them and expect to get all this information. but it has to do with following the normal possess, right? so if someone has word finding difficulties a normal person would be concerned about it and then go see the doctor and maybe have some testing done. so it's not you have to trust the test results. sometimes they don't give you an absolute answer but might see the doctor and be like, okay, let me get some kind of test done, a ct scan or mri. let me have some workup with a specialist and see the results and maybe it's a little bit, you know, something suggests one thing, something -- >> you say he should do more 2457b what he's done? >> exactly. you should follow the normal guidelines for what a person would do. when you start doing things out of the norm that's when people

become concerned. >> okay. friend, thank you very much for all of those perspectives. so what happens when you grow up on social media? we'll talk about what social media algorithms are doing to brains that are still developing and the real-life consequences that teens are facing now from what they post. turns out colleges don't like some of it. treat it that way with aveeno® daily moisture. formulated with nourishihing, prebiotic oat. it's clinically proven to moisturize dry skskin for 24 hours. aveeno®

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it's that time of year when many high school seniors an anxiously await college decisions but for some students their online histories may be bad news. a new article in "the washington post" highlights how some students who have grown up being wide open on social media find it now coming back to haunt them. quote, as they hit college or the working world they're met with the harsh reality the standard of professionalism among older generations has not

changed and does not make room for the type of authenticity that social media companies tend to encourage so now what? back with me lz granderson, darren foreigner, derek thompson and natasha alford. boy, can i relate. two senior girl, twins, we have spent the better part of many months trying every which way to get them into college and curate the perfect application, the visit and a social media post can blow it all up as we know and i know a lot of parents know that but what's so interesting, lz, is that, you know, this younger generation does believe in living out loud and they have these confessional videos and colleges claim they want authenticity but they don't want that much it turns out. >> depends what you're authentic about, right? i think usually we gravitate when it comes to identity with your religion, sexual

orientation, your race, et cetera, not necessarily your boyd part, for instance, not necessarily drug use, you know, so i think they do want authenticity but still want it within the parameters we've become used to in terms of proper behavior. >> the cautionary tale in "the washington post." "the washington post" writes about this ali drake. she used tiktok like a diary. when she felt friendless she's made a video. if she wondered an ex was thinking about her, she'd record. it reached the colleges of the waterski program she hoped to join and sent her an email saying they were too negative and denied a spot on the team. >> you know, as a former teacher not surprised, right? our children are growing. they're changing, they're going through emotions. if you're in a classroom with students you know this. when you try to talk to them about the publish forever rule it's hard for them to

conceptualize it's when they're 13, 14 or 16. something they post on the phone or on the web, their parents can find so if they're not filtering out for their parents or their teachers, i'm not surprised they're having a hard time projecting into the future when they apply. >> derek, what's too authentic? >> i think the rules should be when you're applying to college, everything online under your name is your college essay. right? everything is your college essay and the same way -- maybe you better start deleting the, the same way writing a great essay it's what you include and leave out. that's storytelling. everything that teenagers put online on tiktok, instagram and facebook and all these sites to the extent they do live online forever and schools will look at them and evaluate them by what they say, well, then it's all your college essay, all part of the reflection of who you are as a person. and so maybe that's what parents need to tell their kids. everything you post is basically

bundled up in what these colleges are considering the picture of you. >> maybe it's time to stop sharing so much online, derek. maybe start sharing in person more. remember that? >> absolutely right. i'm a college professor so oftentimes i experience the mechanicism of the socialization of kids and connection. it defines your personality and take into consideration the average person is photographered 100 to 200 times a day and captured and tagged to that person's identity. so it now becomes a part of who you are so in many ways that can either build you up or break you down and that's a dynamic we're experiencing in modern day society that bedidn't have to experience 20 years ago. >> as a professor do you ever so a disconnect between the student that you know and like what -- do you ever check their online profiles? >> i don't check their online profiles. granted it's public information but i'm there to teach the lesson but i see what the other

students on many occasions have had students sit down in a classroom and giggle and snickering and passing around a photo that's inappropriate of what one student may have done so that can devalue that person's identity and this is a real challenging narrative that we're experiencing as we move forward with social media. >> the college thing i think adds another wrinkle because let's face it, the colleges claim they want to know who you really are and claim they want authenticity but it's a facade so you're crafting what you want the story that you want them to see but social media is also a story, of course, but sometimes it does have warts and all. i don't think we figured out our relationship with it. >> i think it's garbage these colleges are taking all this content from social media and using it to punish students when, one, this is the first generation to really have social media so what are the parameters? they're defining it themselves and also, two, do we really want to go through and look at what you did when you were 16, 17, 14

years old? it may not have been posted but don't act as if you didn't have those same sort of feelings. it's hypocritical. unless there's some dangerous to harm people or racism or something like that. but expressing themself, come on. >> i like the point that not -- story tell something about what you include and leave out but evaluating candidates for entry into a school should be about what you include and leave out in terms of that big picture. looking at what someone did at 8, 9, 10 is not relevant at 17. i was heartened by a detail. halfway in it said if the share of colleges that say that they look at social media accounts in order to evaluate the quality of students went from one in three to one in four so it's gone down a little bit. more admissions programs are adopting exactly this approach and saying, there's such a thing as knowing too much. we can experience tmi even as evaluators and need to pull back how deeply we look into these people's -- into these students'

social media profiles. >> the tide will change as more gen-z get into positions of management or leadership, they are going to, i think, have that culture shift and they're going to know that we all have a little something in our past, right? so how much are we going to hold people to an impossible standard. >> great. thank you very much, friends. turns out it's not alien, well, president biden was speaking out about all of those strange objects that his administration has been shooting out of the sky. we'll tell you what they do think they are next. today we unite with the elelements that have alalways been at our core. as every action counts, we are comommitted to building vehicles that contain an average of 40% recycled materials. repurposing waste, such as old fishing nets. and, going all electric by 2030. land. sea. air. join us on our journey to a more sustainable future.

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all right, hold that thought. as you know, three unidentified

high altitude objects were shot down by the u.s. military and recent days. there are still a lot of questions about what they are. but the white house is making it clear what these things are not. >> i know there have been questions and concerns about this, but there is no, again, no indication of aliens or extra terrestrial activity with these recent takedowns. >> i don't think the american people need to worry about aliens with respect to these craft, period. i don't think there's any more that needs to be said. >> back now with our panel. i for 1 am disappointed. [laughter] . i like the idea of the flying saucer from outer space. i thought there was one thing that you could unite us on earth it would be an alien invention and final words of some of our problems that we're having with other countries and with each other. >> it works every time in the movies. >> thank you, thank you. i was pulling for that. but it looks like it's not that right now. here is what president biden says what they know. all the information they have about them right now.

>> we don't yet know exactly what these three objects were. but nothing right now suggests they were related to china's spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from any other country. intelligence communities current assessment is that these three objects were most likely balloons tied to private companies, recreation, or research institutions studying whether or conducting other scientific research. >> jericka, hold on a second. recreation? someone's recreational drone goes 40,000 feet up in the air? >> recreational balloon. what i think seems to have happened is that some people are hobbyists. we like to put little radios next to and on to their balloons. they like to fly them around, take a look at the weather, take a look at the sky, and one of them got caught at the end, at the wrong end of a 1 million dollar missile. i think what seems to have happened, the big picture here, is that when the chinese spy balloon floated over to the u.s., which might have been

window of the chinese trying to do something. we got spooked. and you know when you see a scary movie, and maybe a scary movie about your own house or a house. suddenly when you try to go to sleep all these creeks in your house or previously you could avoid and ignore, they are starting to scare you. that is what happened to the u.s. government. we calibrated our radar in order to pick up the smaller hobbyist balloons that previously would have been the creeks in the sky that we would've ignored, and now we're shooting 1 million dollar missiles at them. it's a bizarre situation at the end of the day i don't think these things are worth much. i don't think they should've been out of the sky, and people are freaking out about nothing. >> don't you feel that we have a national defense obligation to ensure that our skies on our airways are safe in the united states? bear in mind, the fear of the unknown is something that can go far beyond, but at the same token, we have responsibility to ensure that we as a 360 million americans are safe. if we have things flying over us that our unidentified, it

begs the question, what are we doing? i'm a former army officer and one thing that i can attest to is the intelligence facet is definitely important. we have a lot of the spy agencies whether they are coming from russia, china, or any of these other communist countries that are looking to capture information that will benefit their society. so as a result i wholeheartedly stand behind president biden in protecting us as a society. >> you don't mind that the shooting down of the 1 million dollar missile, whatever these things are? >> there were $500, 000, but at the same token, i'm okay with it [laughter] , but bear in mind it was a tactic we found operation. they waited until it got over the waters of south carolina, and that's when they shot down the -- the >> balloon i understand. >> as opposed to in montana. >> i feel that instead of spooked, perhaps they got a little more political and more proactive. so remember, the chatter about the first balloon. why did it take so long?

. it's clear information. when he waiting. for we don't know if the administration made a judge in the back room or made the decision that if they didn't act react retroactively more criticism would come. he's already being challenged terms of his mental health. does he also need to be challenged in terms of his decision-making when the country could be at risk. i don't know if we can say this was a bad decision, but there are 5000 dollar missiles i think it's a political decision, but a political solution i discs port. >> once you realize through their, once you to the radar to see them, how can you ignore that? we have to figure out what they are. but i just find it strange, research institutions are labeling they are flying saucers and their balloons. why don't we know what these things are and where they came from? >> a very good question. i think that the average american, i can make this assumption, we probably weren't looking up for these types of things in the sky, right? we look for planes, birds, i don't think we knew about these

things. and so i think this is a good teaching moment, to your point, as he, about separating fact from fiction, or a lot of americans believe in conspiracy theories right now are prone to disinformation. so this is a moment for president biden to lead, to step out, and say this is what we are doing, this is how we're keeping america safe. i think at the moment to teach. >> i think we have enough issues with conspiracy theories on earth. we're not even paying attention to these compared to all the conspiracy theories we have here. >> but this wasn't an aberration. we had it happened three times in the trump administration and we never heard a peep foreign anyone. now from biden and now we're looking at as a person that's incapable, but i think that he did the right thing. >> thank you all. now to this. did witnesses lie? that's what a grand jury, a georgia grand jury is hearing about some of the witnesses and their investigation into don trump's attempts to overturn the election there. former trump lawyer michael cohen is going to join this panel after this. so you only pay for what you need!

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