good afternoon. i'm kasie hunt in washington. right now the family of tyre nichols is speaking out after all five former memphis police officers appeared in court and pleaded not guilty to his murder. for the first time since nichols' death his parents were in the same room with the men who brutally beat their son last month after a traffic stop. >> we have to start this process of justice right now. and i want each and every one of those police officers to be able to look me in the face. they haven't done that yet. they didn't do that today. they didn't even have the courage to look at me in my face. >> each ex-officer is facing

seven charges including second-degree murder and aggravated assault. what is the latest? >> reporter: yeah. it was their initial appearance for the first time, we got to see them inside the courtroom where they pleaded not guilty and the legal battle getting under way. attorneys indicating this was going to be a vigorous fight. they feel the district attorney rushed this case. they say there's other evidence that's not been out there publicly that they feel will help their clients. the video released by the da depicts a severe beating of tyre nichols. you can tell from the defense attorneys here at least in talking to them outside of court they're going to launch a vigorous, vigorous defense. the other thing obviously, this is a day for the community to come inside this room, face these officers and as you

mentioned, kasie for the parents of tyre nichols to come face to face with these men and his mother saying she will be at every court appearance. >> we're also learning about other cases that involve the scorpion unit. what can you share about that? >> reporter: this was the crime fighting, aggressive policing unit, now no longer. the police chief disbanded the group after the tyre nichols beating. the da here telling me finally we're getting some numbers and finally being told it is up to about 100 cases that the district attorney could be now reviewing that the five officers were part of. they were part of 75 cases the da is now reviewing and another 25 from an additional officer not criminally charged but fired. preston hemphill was one of the

other officers on scene the night of the incident and so he was fired as a result of his actions by the police department. now his cases are also under review. so about a hundred cases in total. it could grow. some of these cases could be dismissed over some of the activity by these officers. that is a significant number. finally, for the first time, we're getting those numbers from the da. again, more fallout from this incident and obviously still a lot more that is going to come out. we expect more video, more audio to come out in the coming weeks that the police say they are still reviewing. once they make some decisions about additional disciplinary action against some officers they will release that video. >> all right. thanks very much for your reporting on this today. we really appreciate it. we'll go to shreveport, louisiana where officer alexander tyler is now facing a negligent homicide charge in the death of alonso bag lichlt body

cam video now showing the moment bagley, who was unarmed and fleeing, was shot and killed earlier this month. tyler and his partner were responding to a 911 disturbance call when they first approached bagley in his apartment. tyler's partner follows bagley into a bedroom where bagley eventually jumps from the second floor balcony and a chase then begins. once outside tyler's partner yells, he went that way, ty. five seconds later there is a gunshot. here is that moment and we do want to give you a warning this is very difficult to watch. >> he went, hey, he went that way, ty. >> oh, no. oh, god. you shot me. >> shots fired. send ems right now. shots fired. >> officer tyler was also wearing a body camera.

here is his footage. again, we want to warn you this is graphic. >> black male, blue shirt. running toward norfolk. he's bald. where is he? where did he go? >> he went that way. he went that way. >> oh, no. oh, god. you shot me. >> within seconds the officers begin rendering aid. both are visibly and aut dibly distraught. >> no, no, man. no. >> no, man. come on, dude. >> send ems right now. 1018. 1018. >> come on, dude. come on, dude. stay with me. stay with me. >> apply pressure. >> stay with me, dude. stay with me. >> come on. you're good.

>> that is the officer that you can hear crying. bagley was pronounced dead at the hospital. cnn's ryan young joins us now. ryan, members of bagley's family and that officer's lawyer have spoken with cnn. what are they all saying? >> reporter: obviously this is a tough video to watch, kasie. we talked with their family and attorney yesterday after they watched the video. their emotions were completely raw as you can imagine hearing their loved one trying to gasp their last breath which is something that hurt everyone in the family. his brother, his youngest brother was talking about the fact, how much he loved him and he didn't understand why the shooting had to happen because he thinks when you watch that video his brother didn't show any aggression toward the officers. in fact, he tried to get away. that is something that stuck out in the family's mind is because the entire time he tried to leap from that second story balcony. one of the things the attorney also pointed to is this is not the first time mr. bagley has

had interaction with the police department. a few years ago he actually sued the police department after some of his teeth were knocked out after another arrest. that is showing that he might have been scared of police to start with. take a listen to his brother and the raw emotion about losing his brother. >> it was just really, really sad to watch. hurtful to watch. hard to watch. i'm going to be okay until we know, i know that justice will be served, charges, that's fine. that's cool and all, but we need to see more action behind that. >> reporter: it is important to note the state took over this investigation. lsp has been in charge. the lawyer and family thanking them for getting this video out. they are the ones who decided to make this arrest warrant against officer tyler. now people are looking into this officer and trying to figure out exactly what he was thinking or whether he was being reckless by running with the gun out.

and with his finger near the trigger. people in this community want to see some changes within the police training so that other citizens are safe. but listen to officer tyler's lawyer saying, it's hard being a police officer, and these are all split second decisions. >> the mere fact that an argument is being made by the investigator in court that he was unarmed does not necessarily mean he is not a threat to the officer. there's not a requirement that every suspect has a weapon. >> reporter: some other things to note the fact of where mr. bagley's hand were when that shot was fired. the officer is sort of turned and the camera view is obstructed for a second. but the lsp investigator was saying, basically, when the shot hits mr. bagley it looks like his hands are up. that is something they'll go back and forth over in court. the mayor for his part actually apologized to the family yesterday saying he didn't reach out in a fast enough time.

the police chief tells us, also, he is reviewing all of the policies of this police department and they will move forward also with an administrative look at what happened to see if they can calm some of the city leaders down. obviously a lot of questions especially from community leaders who want to know how can they move forward as a city together when there is video out like this that makes so many people question what actually happened that night. >> so many questions. ryan young, thanks very much for that reporting. with us to talk more about these two cases we have criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor bernarda leona and retired los angeles police sergeant dorsey. let me start with you and what we just saw in that video showing alonzo bagley. it is so hard, so hard to watch. i mean, when you see it, when you read the report, was this negligent homicide? is that the right charge here? what do you see?

>> listen, i'm not an attorney but i think the charge could certainly be more substantive. you got a police officer running with his hand gun. that's not what we're taught. tactically that's deplorable. and then to know that he shot this man. why? because he ran. listen, suspects running is inherent to police work. we see time and again officers shooting black men because they run. i find it so offensive and off putting that this attorney representing this officer would say the mere presence, mere existence of a black man is a threat. it is problematic. and so did he know when he ran with his gun that he was going to shoot him? i would have to say yes. why else do you have it out? you only draw your weapon when you're going to discharge it and you only discharge it because you want to kill somebody because you want to stop a threat when there is an imminent threat against you or someone else and that didn't exist. >> i appreciate you underscoring the fact he was running with his gun because i wondered about that very point as someone who

has not had the kind of training you've gone through in your career. what challenges do you foresee for the prosecution and defense in this case? how is that going to play out in your view? >> in terms of the prosecution, the prosecution is going to have an issue. in the sense that there is that split second where you don't actually see the hands of this man. unfortunately, that gives the defense a way out in the sense of trying to describe what was the threat in his mind? either way the question is going to be for the jury if it goes to a jury trial, whether it was reasonable for this officer to use deadly force. was there reason for him to see or foresee or believe that this man was a threat to him, that there was an imminent threat of deadly physical injury or serious bodily injury. that is going to be the question for the jury. it is still early on but the first step, there has been an arrest. there are charges for negligent homicide. we'll just have to take it from there. >> i want to switch and focus a

little bit on tyre nichols before i let both of you go. sergeant dorsey, there was a sixth memphis police officer fired, a seventh put on leave. do you expect more charges in that case? >> i absolutely expect more charges and i expect the district attorney if he does his job properly to dismiss more cases. listen, they're talking about a hundred cases, perhaps. i said this in the very beginning when this first happened that these officers were a term they used, compromised. they gave false statement in the midst of an administrative hearing. in other words they are liars. while they are investigating current cases they need to look at everybody sitting in jail right now because of the memphis five and anybody else on that police department who is compromised. anybody who is on their giglio list. right now some folks are sitting in jail and they should be issued a get out of jail free card. >> bernarda, all five of the officers charged with murder have pleaded not guilty.

we saw that today. can you walk us through what happens next in those trials? >> we expected that. we expected all five officers to plead not guilty. today was the formal chance for them to appear before a judge and the judge told them officially what their charges are and for them to enter an official plea. where we go from this now, we go through several pretrial conferences to determine whether the cases are going to trial or whether any of those officers will be pleading guilty. that pleading guilty part is going to be a huge conversation for the prosecutor to determine if they want to flip any of the officers to cooperate against the most culpable out of the group. in my opinion, if i were the prosecutor, i wouldn't flip any. we're going to trial on all five. the question would be will it be five separate juries or one? >> bernardo villalona, sergeant dorsey, thank you both very much for being with us today. recovery operations are over for the suspected chinese spy balloon shot down off the south carolina coast.

the end of that effort follows president biden's most extensive comments yet about the incident and the other objects that were shot down in recent days. he assured americans that the other three objects don't appear to be tied to china or tore spying, but he does plan to speak to xi jinping about all of this. the chinese leader. minutes from now the national security chairman john kirby will join the white house briefing and likely will face some questions about this. we'll bring that to you live. right now let's go to the white house with cnn's priscilla alvarez. still a lot of unknowns here. the president seems to be focusing on what we may be seeing in the future, more of these objects. >> reporter: that is exactly right. he listed some of the measures the administration is going to take on airborne or unmanned airborne objects. some of that includes for example devising a team, or having a team devise sharper rules to identify these objects, tasking his national security adviser jake sullivan to lead a

government wide effort on this. and also establishing an inventory of unmanned, airborne objects. all of this to identify what these objects are especially after what we saw last weekend. and to your point earlier, this was the most extensive remarks he has given on the issue amid speculation over what these objects were as well as some concern over the transparency the administration was providing on this issue. while he said there is no connection that they have linked so far to china and spying, they did note they were connected most likely to private companies or research institutions. now, of course recovery efforts are still ongoing for the three objects shot down over the weekend. biden also used those remarks to de fuse tensions with china and make clear this has not ended relations between the united states and china. >> we seek competition not conflict with china. we're not looking for a new cold

war. i make no apologies and we will compete. we will responsibly manage that competition so that it doesn't veer into conflict. >> reporter: he did not offer a timeline on when he plans to speak with the chinese president though he said that he would. expect the white house to be taking questions on that this afternoon. kasie? >> priscilla alvarez at the white house for us, thanks very much for that report. headaches, sore throats, and so many dead animals. residents in east palestine, ohio say those are a few reasons they are terrified about their health after a toxic train crash de railed their lives. we'll go there next. plus behind the scenes. when the cameras were off they knew it was bogus but when the cameras were on they told a different story. court documents that just pulled back the curtain on how top fox news stars and executives peddled falsehoods for ratings.

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the straigs is sending federal medical experts to east palestine, ohio where a train loaded with hazardous materials derailed two weeks ago. residents say they are getting headaches and sore throats and worry about their health now and in the years to come. federal investigators are trying to learn why the train came off the tracks in the first place. these images are under scrutiny. surveillance video obtained by cnn shows sparks flying from the train less than an hour before it crashed. what have we learned today? >> reporter: well, the governor just wrapped up a press conference a short while ago. a few headlines that i want to tell you about, kasie, first and foremost he says that 500 homes now in the area have been tested for air quality. those tests came back clear. in addition to that, 20 air monitoring systems have now been set up in and around the area,

the air monitoring systems are mobile. they'll be moving them around. that testing is under way as well. and as he said over the past few days, the municipal water samples in the area continue to come back clear as well. he's been in contact with the department of hhs. they are going to be setting up a clinic here next week. so anyone out here in the area who is feeling symptomatic can come in and speak with experts. so what you have here on the ground is this disconnect because you've got state and local officials saying the air is safe. the water is safe. you have people on the ground who simply do not believe that. the governor was asked about that and here is what he had to say. >> i understand people have been traumatized. i understand skepticism. sometimes skepticism is warranted. nothing wrong with healthy

skepticism. all i can do as the governor of the state of ohio is tell you we have the best experts we can get and the best equipment that there is available to do the testing. >> reporter: there you have it. the governor also saying all of the contaminated soil that is in the area, he said, that contaminated soil is in the process of being removed and will continue. there was a question about fema and whether the state will be trying to get fema assistance. he says not at this point. that is not something he says the state qualifies for but he reserved the right to try to apply for that at a later time if necessary. finally, kasie, accountability. there were a lot of questions about that and as we've heard from other officials including the epa the governor also saying the railroad company is responsible for this and will ultimately be held accountable. kasie? >> thanks very much for being on this important story for us.

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a stunning new court filing revealing how top talent and executives at fox news trashed

donald trump and ridiculed his legal team and their 2020 election conspiracies behind the cameras all while hyping the same conspiracies on the air to their viewers and anyone who seems to veer from that narrative and question the trump claims on the air they faced repercussions behind the scenes. it is all coming to light in dominion voting system's $1.6 billion lawsuit against the network. cnn's media reporter has been all over the story for us. walk us through some of the details. >> this is a stunning court document that exposes fox news as a dishonest media organization. what these documents show is that behind the scenes the highest ranking fox executives people like rupert murdoch and the highest profile fox news stars knew behind the scenes and acknowledged donald trump's claims of election fraud were bogus. that they were not true. but they continued to push or allow some of these claims to gain a foothold on the channel's air. i want to read to you just to

underscore some of what the fox stars were texting behind the scenes. in one case tucker carlson texted sidney powell is lying by the way. i caught her. it is insane. sean hannity in a deposition. that whole narrative that sidney powell is pushing, i did not believe it for one second. rupert murdoch after the january 6 attack. oh, very well for sean hannity to tell you he was in despair about trump but what did he tell his viewers? these messages underscore that fox knew exactly what was going on behiend the scenes but were not honest with viewers because they were afraid their viewers were going to rebel against them if they told the truth. i think this is really highlighted in a couple more messages. i want to read to you from fox executives. suzanne scott in one message said, the arizona call, that call that fox made declaring biden winner of arizona was damaging but we will highlight our stars and plant flags letting the viewers know we are here for them and we respect

them. and then washington managing editor bill salmon said it is remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things. this is really damning admissions behind the scenes from fox executives, from fox stars, really painting a bleak picture of how this network operates. >> we also saw, oliver, an interesting tid bit about then president trump trying to call into the network to try and do an interview during the capitol attack. can you explain that? >> reporter: that's right. apparently according to this dominion filing and this wasn't even exposed during the january 6 hearings, but according to this dominion filing trump tried calling in to lou dobbs' show during the january 6th attack and fox refused to put him on air with an executive saying it would have been irresponsible given i think what the rhetoric we heard from trump during that day to allow him to go on and address viewers. so it shows here that they had

some editorial judgment at some points in time. to the point where they were not allowing the president of the united states to go on air. >> that is pretty remarkable considering the story woven by the january 6 committee about the president watching tv on that day. pretty interesting information to add to the narrative. oliver darcy, thanks very much for your reporting on this. let's discuss it all with our cnn legal analyst and white house ethics czar and the cnn commentator and host of the "you decide" podcast. norm, let me start with you. it is one thing to disagree with something that your network airs but do you think examples in this court filing show that something beyond that was going on i mean legally do they show a disregard for the truth in a way that people could be held accountable for in court? >> kasie, i think they do. in order for dominion to recover damages, and they are potentially looking at billions of dollars of them, they have to

show actual malice, that people were going on air and on fox news and knowingly telling lies or acting with reckless disregard for the truth. when you see these behind the scenes communications from tucker carlson, sidney powell is lying, from laura ingraham to tucker and sean hannity, sidney powell is a bit nuts. rupert murdoch. really crazy stuff but saying the opposite on air. that is legally actionable and also just plain wrong. i think it will anger a jury, large potential damages here. >> so what does this mean in the sphere of public opinion especially with fox viewers. will they care about it? >> i think they will. the most damaging things i thought came out in this latest filing is that you have these executives and even some of the hosts talking over and over again about, quote, respecting our audience. and what that meant according to

this filing is what that really meant was telling people the story they wanted to hear even knowing that the story they wanted to hear was false. telling people over and over again and giving their very powerful platform over to conspiracy theorists who wanted to spin the most insane ideas, which the producers and anchors and everybody knew was completely out to lunch but doing it allegedly in the name of, quote, respecting the audience. it is a terrible practice. it is really almost a case study in how not to run a news organization. there is a place to be concerned about the size of your audience and whether they are going off to an even more far right wing rival platform but that place is not in the newsroom. that is not where you are supposed to be crafting your coverage of one of the most important stories of american history. that is exactly what they're alleged to have done. there is no reason to think it's not true. >> so, norm, tucker carlson is still sowing doubt about the 2020 election results to this day as of course is former

president donald trump. we cover it when he says those things. is what is said today, can that become relevant to the lawsuit? >> it can be. it shows a continuing pattern of disregard. this filing is going to take its place historically in exposing what has gone on and the continuing danger. i think next to other landmark documents like the january 6th committee report. and the way to stop this ongoing pattern of lies is to have a trial and force fox news to pay damages, potentially billions of dollars in damages that could make that company sit up and take notice. i know these lawyers at sussmann godfrey are going to try the case. i have worked with them. they are the ones who can really impose a lesson here.

great cocounsel. that is going to be the best remedy for the ongoing mis-trump administrations by tucker carlos -- for the ongoing misrepresentations by tucker carlson and fox news. >> interesting. we do see, obviously the murdock empire extends beyond just fox and occasionally we will see signs or reports that there is a split between the murdocks and donald trump, that they're looking for somebody else, there will be a headline in the new york post for example. is there any reason to believe that the trump-fox alliance is actually in a different place? is it weaker? would a $1.6 billion verdict affect it? >> regardless of the verdict, the trouble they've been in, the enormous cost, representational cost and financial cost of defending themselves in this lawsuit has sort of sobered up the murdock organization.

rupert murdoch himself comes across in the filings almost like dr. frankenstein. they created this monster and it has now spun out of control. there is a very interesting new york posted torial from november 7th, 2020 cited in the documents where he pleads with president trump, then president trump, to accept the results and simply move on and not tarnish his own legacy. that was unheeded by his audience, by his organization, ultimately led to this disastrous point they've arrived at. rupert murdoch himself understands very well they need to go another direction. the question is whether this financial beast that he has created, this organization, that is so different on catering to a select audience, whether they are willing to change and go back to basic news gathering. if they can do that they may be able to survive this. >> interesting. norm, i want to ask you about, of course, another legal battle going on over election conspiracies. there are several across the

country. let's zero in on republican kari lake. she lost the arizona governor's race by about 17,000 votes. she was just handed another courtroom defeat in her quest to try and overturn those results. here is part of the ruling. quote, the evidence presented to the superior court ultimately supports the court's conclusion that voters were able to cast their ballots, that votes were counted correctly, and that no other basis justifies setting aside the election results. she says that she will take this to the state supreme court. how do you see this playing out? we seem to see the system rising up and beating back some of these conspiracies. >> that is exactly right. just like in the fox news case we were talking about. by the way the damages, the base damages are potentially 1.6 billion. that could be multiplied many times over for punitive damages. the courts in arizona have slapped down kari lake's 2022

edition of trump's election denial. just like the courts did in those 60 plus cases trump lost. kasie, democratic and republican appointed judges rejecting this hog wash, so anti-democratic, so dangerous. she is not going to win at any level of the arizona courts. sanctions and potential bar discipline are on the horizon for her lawyers. she had a tough time getting lawyers. she said she would even take better call sol at one point. that is the level that she is sinking to. >> norm, i am so sorry to have to cut you off. thank you for this discussion. we have to go live to the white house where national security council official john kirby has joined the white house briefing. let's listen in. >> thanks you all for giving me a chance to come up here and talk on friday.

as just mentioned the president is very much looking forward to his trip to warsaw next week ahead of course of the one-year anniversary of russia's brutal and unprovoked invasion of ukraine. after he lands on tuesday morning he will meet with the president to discuss our bilateral cooperation and collective efforts to support ukraine and bolster nato's deterrence. poland as you know is a close nato ally and critical supporter of ukraine over the past year. president biden will thank the people for the assistance they've provided ukraine over the past year and for all the efforts the polish people have done to generously welcome more than 1.5 million refugees in ukraine. the two leaders will discuss poland's important logistical role as well in helping the u.s. facilitate deliveries of military humanitarian assistance to ukraine from not only the united states but from our allies and partners.

the president will have a chance to thank poland for how they hosted an increased number of u.s. forces including those permanently stationed and those deployed to europe as part of our force posture adjustments, the ones we announced last year following russia's invasion, are some 10,000 american troops in poland right now most of them on rotational orders. on tuesday evening local time president biden will deliver remarks in warsaw on how the united states has rallied the world to support the people of ukraine and as they defend their freedom and democracy. president biden will make it clear that the united states will continue to stand with ukraine as you've heard him say many times for as long as it takes. on wednesday president biden will get a chance to meet with the leaders of the bucharest 9 otherwise known as the b-9 largely the group of eastern flank nato allies who are basically and quite frankly literally on the front lines of our collective defense right

now. he'll do so to reaffirm the united states' unwavering support for the security of that alliance and trans atlantic unity. the leaders will discuss our efforts over the past year to strengthen nato which is stronger now, more united than it was, than it has ever been. and how each of our nations will continue to work together as allies to continue our unwavering support for ukraine. this is an important trip for the president and comes at an important moment. it also follows days of diplomacy at the munich security conference where the vice president, secretary of state, senior director here at nsc for europe, and many other cabinet members, administration officials, members of congress are all meeting with our allies and partners to discuss our enduring support for the people of ukraine as well as our trans atlantic unity and our iron clad support for our nato allies in light of all of the changes to the european security environment over the last year. and as the president believes that security environment has changed. not is changing, not will change. has changed. in fact, vice president harris

is meeting with foreign leaders including chancellor scholz of germany, president macron of france. tomorrow the vice president will deliver a keynote address about our support for ukraine and the atrocities russian forces continue to commit against the ukrainian people. as you all know close coordination with our allies and partners has been a priority for president biden since taking office and throughout the past year as we support ukraine. in addition to his engagements in poland president biden is looking forward to hosting chancellor scholz at the white house on march 3rd and the president will be speaking with a number of our allies next week on the phone including prime minister sunac of the united kingdom, president macron of france, prime minister maloney of italy. as we approach the one-year mark since this invasion we can proudly say our support for ukraine remains unwavering and our alliances and international coalition in support of ukraine remain stronger than ever. i'll take some questions.

>> back to my age again. >> thank you very much. >> actually i have a follow up on the balloon incidents earlier this week. >> okay. >> have you seen the story in aviation week that an illinois hobby club feels like their balloon might have been a candidate? >> i have seen that. >> any response to that? because it is very particular location in the last set of data they got? >> we just can't please confirm those reports or what the remains of that balloon might end up being. we haven't recovered it. it is very difficult until you get your hands on something to be able to tell. and because of where it is over lake huron, we all have to accept the possibility that we may not be able to recover it. >> quickly following up what the president said yesterday. he said it was out of an abundance of caution. but an anecdote like this, does it make any sort of reconsideration of perhaps this was an over reaction at any

point over the past week? >> i'd ask you to just for a second put yourself in his shoes. certainly in light of the chinese spy balloon and what was a very real, certainly very sizable and tangible security threat, surveillance threat to the united states so the military fine tunes their radar parameters to see more. and of course they're finding more. you've got these three. they are unidentified, not responding to any communication. we don't know who owns them or what the purpose is. they are flying in sovereign us u.s. air space. they are at altitudes that could affect the safety of civilian air traffic and based on the flight path and prevailing winds potentially moving over sensitive military sites. the military leaders come to you and say mr. president we don't know what these are. we're concerned about what they

could be. and where they could be going and what the purpose might be. you recommend you take these down in the interests of safety and security of the american people and out of an abundance of caution. the president acted on that recommendation because he takes so seriously his responsibilities to protect this country, our secrets, our interests, and our people. the short answer to your question is absolutely not. given the situation we were in, the information available, the recommendation of our military commanders it was exactly the right thing to do at exactly the right time. going forward and you heard the president talk about this yesterday we're going to make sure we've got new rules in place for how we make decisions in future circumstances. that doesn't mean, and you heard the president say this yesterday, it doesn't mean there won't be additional shootdowns if he believes there is a ledge mat threat to our safety and security. it does mean we'll put a new set of parameters on the decision making process going forward.

>> just following that, everything you've just said, can that co-exist? let me rephrase. was there any feeling of frustration of perhaps this was a $12 hobby balloon from a group of kids in illinois after the fact? >> given the information we had at the time, and the legitimate concerns about potential surveillance in the wake of the chinese spy balloon, you make decisions based on the best information that you have and ultimately you have to come down to core principles when you're making desigcisions as commander-in-chief. the most core principle is safety of the american people and security of our interests. the short answer to that is no. frankly, given the circumstances in light of what happened with this spy balloon wouldn't that be a better out come if it turns out they were in fact civilian or recreational use or weather balloon and therefore benign which is what the intelligence

community thinks, isn't that a better outcome than to have to think about the possibility of greater threats to our national security? >> i take that to mean you guys don't have any plans to reimburse the bottle cap balloon brigade? >> i don't know of any plans to reimburse. we hon liz don't know what this is. >> more generally speaking what can you tell americans about what they should expect in the future understanding these new parameters are going to be classified if they see something in the air should there be any concern that a missile is going to follow it? >> again, we are not going to rule anything in or out in terms of how we'll treat additional potential unidentified aircraft. i thought the president did a terrific job yesterday of putting this into context and making it clear to the american people their safety will always come first. that these are likely -- we're going to find out they were likely a benign purpose and not

a threat at all. there shouldn't be any over arching concern by the american people that the skies are somehow full of attack balloons. or that they're at greater risk. if anything, look back at how we dealt with this, again, with information that wasn't complete but legitimate concerns about a threat and dealing with that safely and efficiently. nobody hurt as these balloons were taken down. i think that should give the american people a measure of comfort and confidence. the president wants to make sure that as we go forward we do so smartly and effectively. that is why he wants a set of new rules determined so we can now deal with these >> while we have you here, what can you tell us about this isis raid in syria. >> yeah, so i think you saw central command put a statement out that -- last night u.s. military and sdf partner forces

conducted a helicopter raid against hamza al hamzi before he was killed in the raid. as the pentagon has reporteds, an explosion during the raid, also resulted in four u.s. troops and one of the working dogs suffering some injuries. the troops and the working dog are in stable condition being treated at a u.s. medical facility in iraq and i think the pentagon will have more information on that. >> okay, in the back. >> first two questions, will the american public eventually find out what these three unidentified objects are including which companies they belong to, which specific benign purposes they have? >> we would like nothing better but i can't promise you we will get to that level of fidelity of detail. a lot will depend on an ability

to recover these three objects and just to remind you, one is on sea ice in the north of -- north of alaska in arctic conditions, extremely bad winter weather up there. they have not been able to really mount anything on the ice to find them. the other in the yukon territory, thick wilderness. as of today i don't believe the royal canadian mounted police or their investigative organizations have been able to get to it and the other one fell over lake huron, again, in very deep water. i think the canadians have decided they are not going to look for it anymore. i don't believe the united states has made a call on that yet so pretty tough conditions, going to be very difficult to find them let alone once you find that debris to be able to do the forensics to identify it so i can't promise you that we'll know definitively one way or the other. >> question on president biden's talk with xi jinping. as the administration is trying

to ease tensions they're trying to atfocus on human rights abus. will president biden bring up human rights issues with xi jinping? >> the president never fails to bring up human rights concerns and when he met with president xi in bali he brought it up then. it's not just with president xi, the president believes you have to lead with your values, particularly in foreign position. he's never shy about bringing that up. >> john, what's the likelihood that president biden meets with president zelenskyy next week? >> there's no meeting -- talking about on the trip? there's no meeting with president zelenskyy scheduled for the trip right now. >> and related to president xi in that call with president biden as well, have tensioned cooled enough to where the two leaders can jump on the phone together right now? >> there is an open line of communication and i'm not

denying that there aren't still tensions particularly in the wake of the spy moon. we don't believe it's the appropriate time for secretary blinken to travel to beijing and you heard the president that he will -- he will want to have another conversation with president xi but we don't have anything on the schedule right now and we'll have to do that at the time when the president believes it's appropriate. what's really important and i know the question was about president biden and president xi is that the lines of communication with the prc are open. i recognize there are tensions but secretary blinken still has an open line of communication with the foreign minister. we still have an embassy in beijing with a terrific ambassador, nick burns. and the state department also can communicate directly with prc's embassy personnel here, so the lines are open. unfortunately, the military lines aren't open and that's really what we would like to see amended and it was, of course,

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