this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm bianna golodryga filling in for fareed zakaria who is on this week. on the program, this week mark the first anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine.

in that year hundreds of thousands dead, tens of billions of dollars in damage and there's no end in sight. we'll look at how russia views this with the anchors of exiled russian broadcaster tv rain. then we'll examine the present and future on the bloody battlefield and is a stalemate in, and how will it end? i'll ask the experts. while all eyes are cast upward looking for more chinese balloons, which of beijing's other actions are we missing on the ground and in the cyber realm? we'll explore. ♪ ♪ in the 360 days since russia's invasion, crane has become the front line in the global battle for democracy. it's a fight being fought on the airwaves as well as on the battlefield. putin's minions are working overtime to control the message overseas and at home. under a law passed last year

journalists in russia can be jailed for up to 15 years for reporting what the kremlin considers fake news about what its military is doing and to wit, calling the war in ukraine a war could land one in prison. because of the crackdown many in the industry have fled including my guests today who run the independent news station tv rain. in 2022 it famously ended its newscast with an anti-war message before cutting to tchaikovsky's ballet swan lake. broadcasting its content on youtube. the network's editor in chief and ana katerina, welcome to both of you. it's good to see you. cat r katia, you were at the munich conference know we want to discuss russia's future with russian opposition leaders and exiled people. their voices need to be heard

and amplified. cat ra, un tv rain are among those exiled russians and what is the move there one year into the war now? >> well, bianna, it's very complicated to talk about russia here in the munich conference. it has just been closed. during these three days i was talking to russian liberal dissidents, opposition leaders and representatives of the civil society and also with european politicians and experts and all of them are saying that russia should be relaunched as a country and as a state and after this invasion of ukraine everything has changed and these people, the european, western leaders are looking for different approach to russia, and they're asking themselves the questions about whether it is really possible to see this new country, to see russia as a democratic state which is, i mean, not obvious for a lot of

people here. so the representatives of russian civil society, all of them, they're all in exile been they fled the country just as we did, and they were trying to explain that there is a chance for russia to rebuild a democracy, and i truly believe in this, too. >> so i guess the question is are you and other exiles outliers or does this speak to a larger issue that many russians are dealing with right now who remain in the country? we saw people flee the country at the start of the war and more fled last year when more military conscripts were there, about 300,000. it is quite muted and one can't depend about how people feel in surveys in russian society. what is your take? >> people are speaking with russians who left the country, and i think the majority of them are thinking and are waiting about the moment when the situation changes, when the

regime changes in russia and when we'll be able to return back home just like we do, for example and our colleagues in tv rain, it is wonderful to work in exile from latvia and georgia, but we have our home. we have russia, but different russia from what we have after february 24th, and if we're speaking about russian society in russia, russian society is depressed. a lot, a lot, a lot of people are against this the war, but don't have any chance to speak out because it's too dangerous. >> katia, back to you there in munich, how significant was it at the conference to hear vice president harris for the first time say that the united states has formally concluded that russia has committed crimes against humanity. >> it is very important, bianna, definitely and everyone was quoting kamala harris and other representatives of the united

states. we know that the delegation is very big congressional delegation and the representatives from congress. you know, the people here in munich and especially representatives of ukraine were looking forward to hearing not just statements, however, but also the promises about delivering weaponry and the fighting jabs and long-range systems to ukraine and nothing about that has been said, but still the accountability is one of the main questions here, really. what i saw was everyone was talking not only about the reality and also trying to plan the future and answer the question how will the world look like and if we want a normal world after this terrible war, then we need to make vladimir putin and others accountable for what they did and this is the crime against humanity, and this is a crime against aggression

and all of us, we think that there will be a tribunal, something similar, and this is one of the main questions here. >> so tikhin, that's post-war planning and it doesn't look like vladimir putin is trying to get to the negotiating table in earnest at this point. what will it take to get him there? because the russian economy has remained resilient up to this point, his holdover society has worked in terms that we have not seen mass protests in the street. what will it take to get him to say enough is enough? >> i think we have several directions. the first direction is the situation on the battlefield, on the ground, and that's what they were telling now about sending weapons to ukraine and vladimir putin is not doing well on the ground in ukraine. also, i think we will see and

that's what experts say we will see the consequences for the russian economy because of the sanctions and that's too early to see the consequences that will happen soon and the third theme, very important is the fact that even in the calls which could not be trusted with its digits, but we see the trends that the support of this war is becoming lower and lower in russia. people are not happy with the fact that russia is elated now and they cannot see any future. so i think that the world should work in these three directions and while first supporting ukraine, of course, and then supporting russians who are not supporting in this terrible war. >> katia, quickly, let me talk about what tv rain is doing right now because the russian propaganda is firm inside the country, and i know you're trying to change that and

broadcast that with effective journalism and it is very difficult to do that while you're in exile and viewers can only find you on youtube and that's with a vpn and you've had challenges with mistakes you've made on air and you've owned those. that having been said, how are you convinced that there is an audience large enough that wants to watch what you have to offer? >> youtube is still available without vpn in russia. it is eventually, you know, undeniable that this ban will be there, of course. we know that they will ban youtube some day, but still on this stage we can be openly working on youtube for russians, and we have 14 million unique viewers monthly only on youtube which is a huge thing, and we can do more. we can do much more. this is a big potential that we have, and as long as they give us an opportunity, and the whole

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after a relatively quiet winter on the front, a new russian offensive appears to be under way in the east. defense secretary lloyd austin says he also expects the ukrainians to mount their own offensive in the spring. so which side better positioned to make gains? joining me is the founder of war on the rocks and research program director in the russian studies program at the think tank cna. thank you both for joining us. you are my go-to on all things war related. it appears that russia's offensive has begun. you believe that it will remain largely focused in the east and donbas. there have been reports that russia has far greater ambitions and perhaps making ago a temp at kyiv. why do you think this offensive will be more muted? >> so i think the offensive began several weeks ago and it's been in progress for some time.

they focused on the donbas and some of the attacks that the russian military is pursuing right now. it appears the russians appear to be capturing the donbas and as far as the military potential, it's rather constrained and just looking over the last couple of weeks they're having a pretty hard time in this offensive and have not made significant gains. i likely think it will go on through march although it may increase in overall intensity and it has not yet committed reserves to exploit any one of the directions in which they're attacking. >> on that point, ryan, over the past few months there have been changes in leadership in russia. there have been more conscripts thrown in going back to last september and the wagner group is putting more convicts into battle and there's talks of putting more condescriptions to come and that is how chairman milley characterized it this week. here's what he said, russia has

lost strategically, operationalally and tactically and victoria nuland has called this new offensive very pathetic. are they right or in your view, is that a premature assessment? >> i think this war has been a disaster for russia and russia's theory of victory is that it can outlast the western coalition backing ukraine. there are signs that that coalition is starting to crack especially if this war drags on more and what happens in the next election cycle in the united states as well as elections in key european states that are partners back in ukraine. so putin thinks he can out wait that coalition. whether that's true remains to be seen. >> time, perhaps, is on his side is how he's viewing it, at least. mike, what are the biggest challenges that ukraine is facing right now? >> the challenge right now is how to defend against the russian offensive while keeping a substantial amount of forces in reserve to conduct their own major operation this spring.

they're working with issues of forced quality and both sides have significant levels of casualties as the war goes on and you lose your best people and your best equipment and the challenge to replace those individuals in order to keep conducting offensive operations. like any military they face shortages when it comes to military and ammunition, and if you look at the past year, the military assistance has been critical, but it's come at a point where we're sort of just in time for ukrainian needs rather than necessarily leading them and that remains an enduring challenge in this conflict. >> mike, sticking with you, ukraine has finally gained that western takes and that's received media attention. though you view this as a symbolic gain for the country. going back to the ammunition and air defense that ukraine desperately needs, as well. how concerned are you about the quantity that can be delivered and the time in which it can be delivered for ukraine? >> sure. so first and foremost, i think, air defense -- air defense ammunition and our tour

ammunition remain for ukraine and everything else is secondary relative to that. in terms of quantities they require substantial amounts of artillery ammunition just to sustain the war and especially if they'll go to the offense in the spring. the same thing goes to air defense to make sure air power does not become effective at this point. with regards to military equipment and the assistance package that was provided in january, it will take some months for that equipment to not arrive, but for ukrainians to be trained on that. >> ryan, there's legitimate concern with the stockpile available in reserves and the ability with which defense companies can produce them in time for ukraine particular in regards to ammunition. is russia facing similar shortages and issues. >> russia is facing similar shortages and issues and unlike the united states russia doesn't have to worry about other fronts and other global commitments whereas the united states has to hedge and able to conduct

operations elsewhere, and what this has drawn attention to especially among a lot of my colleagues is how brittle the u.s. industrial base is especially when it comes to producing things like artillery ammunition and other forms of ammunition and gunpowder. i think a lot of your viewers show how they provide facilities in the united states. >> his wildly exaggerated and i would say irresponsible nuclear threats that we've heard a few months ago. that having been said, you were one to argue that we shouldn't dismiss the tactical nuclear weapon useded and what do you see in the months ahead that's been heard of the threat assessment that putin could, in fact, return to that. >> putin's strategy is first and foremost driven by his sense of regime security. if he views that security at risk he's more likely to take reckless acts and one thing that we've seen from putin is he's a poor judge of how his

adversaries and partners like china will react to his risky gamuts. i think he's got a few really bad decisions left in him and i wouldn't put it past him to escalate use on the battlefield and not just one, and if there are major setbacks on the battlefield and i think it's a low-probability event and i think it's something to dismiss out of hand. >> the probability is not zero that that can take place. it doesn't appear that unfortunately, this war will end any time soon. what would it take for that to happen and i imagine you would agree it will not be any time this year. >> i doubt it will take place this year. major wars of this kind they tend to gather rather short, lasting a few weeks or a few months or if they go on for this long they typically go on for at least several years. what it will take for the war to end? well, that's a difficult question to answer.

it can range anything from the ukrainian military success or a more pessimistic variant where it emerges some sort of unhappy stalemate on the battlefield or, to be perfectly frank, the way the war could progress is that the ending doesn't resolve any of the fundamental issues in this war. that's something would happen like 2014 and 2015 with the russian invasion of ukraine and how it ends could potentially result in another war. often these conflicts go on series where neither party gets what they want and perhaps a contrived armistice of some kind. on the one hand, that's a laudable pursuit and on the other hand, it would most likely result in russia trying to re-arm and then pursuing the war yet again, right? an artificial piece is very likely to yield another war opinion. >> you are right to point out this war did not start as many

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i want to tell you now about a country that many fear may be the next on vladimir putin's sights. secretary of state blinken expressed concern about russian plots to destabilize the country there. it's a small, poor nation just to the west of the ukraine that holds a russian-backed streetist nation. the place is moldova and happens to be my birthplace. what in the world is going on there? let's bring in paul. welcome to the program.

let's give our audience the sense of what happened the past few weeks and president zelenskyy shared evidence with the moldovan president of an attempted russian plot for a coup to overthrow the government there. just this past weekend she gave more evidence and said that was indeed the case. she described it as a hybrid warfare aimed to destabilize society. can you give us any more insight into what's happening? >> yes. the president maya sandu said the plot would involve people with military prep raising some coming from abroad to break into state institutions and take hostages during opposition protests here. also, zelenskyy's adviser confirmed the details saying that russia's new plan for

moldova does not include tanks, but bandits. by this he meant the kind of leader of the opposition of the pro-kremlin party shore who stands accused for money laundering in moldova and has therefore fled for israel, but meanwhile, his party in moldova is organizing mass protests. we just had one today and, and the livestreaming during these protests. >> what makes this even more concerning, we should note is that the moldovan government is a pro-western government. do we know if this coup a tttem has been thwarted successfully? >> state institutions over the past week have talked about not allowing about 60 foreign citizens into the country. some of them they said had

forged papers with different names and different nationalities, and more police have been patrolling the streets and the kind of ministry of internal affairs released this kind of plan for bomb shelters in case of any kind of emergency. so it does feel like state institutions have intensified both their actions and their communication which has been poorer in the past. >> russia has become a candidate -- moldova has become a candidate for eu status. that having been said it's a very poor country and its military defense country is just $80 million a year and that's led to a lot of internal strive as well and economic challenges. inflation is 27%. what is a bigger threat? is it the domestic issues regarding the economy or is it

the external threat perhaps for moscow? >> well, the two are interlinked. so at the moment, of course, people are more concerned with their day to day economic struggles, but at the same time, the kind of pro-kremlin opposition is trying to capitalize on these economic issues. they are asking the government to pay 100% of the winter bills and so on. and obviously, the pro-european government in moldova was replaced with pro-kremlin one and then moldova would be used in the war against ukraine by russia because obviously, we also have australia in the east, a breakaway region where 1500 russian troops are stationed and where 20,000 tons of ammunitions, soviet-era ammunition is still stored. >> to this point, russia is still providing moldova with gas and about 70% of electricity

comes from the pro-russian region, as well. i know western allies have been quick to come to moldova's defense and provide more aid. is it enough to get moldova to finally leave russia's grasp and perhaps join the eu? >> so, foreign aid has been helpful in compensating people's bills this winter, but they weren't compensated up to 100% of the protesters today were demanding, and -- and the government is saying that they want to invest in more green energy and diversify our gas and electricity sources, but inflation at the moment is still the highest in europe and people are struggling to pay their mortgages, to pay their bills,

to kind of cover their basic costs and people that i've spoken to have said that they're thinking of emigrating. we already have a problem with very few kind of human resources here. a big diaspora that is looking for more economic opportunities outside moldova and the eu. >> is there any concern as russia has launched its new offensive that it could take military action against moldova? i know there had been fear of that early on in the war. >> sorry. could you repeat that? >> is there any concern now as russia has launched a new offensive in ukraine that it could make any sort of military attempt at moldova? there had been concern of that early on in the war. >> yes. there's a saying in moldova that we depend on odesa and odesa

depe depe depends on mikolaev. so far moldova has been protected by the ukrainian army and the fact that it managed to move the front line for the west has kind of a pleased spirits in moldova. people have become calmer as a result, but obviously, we are following the situation closely and -- >> yeah. >> and -- and hope for the best. we have a large number of ukrainian refugees here in moldova, and you know, to them there's an obvious difference. >> yeah. >> -- between ukraine and moldova at the moment, but still, people are anxious. >> i have to say as an american who was born in moldova, it has been so heart warming to see how generous that country has been, and a country of 4 million people taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees.

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secretary of state blinken says that in a meeting yesterday with his chinese counterpart weng yi he condemned the incursion of the surveillance balloon and reiterated it should never happen again. it kcaptivated the media and th american public. the threat from china runs far deeper than spy balloons. nicole is with the infrastructure security agency and is the author of this is how they tell me the world ends which is out this week in paperback. nicole, thank you. welcome back to the program. big question, what does this whole balloon saga tell us about the chinese surveillance

program? >> i think this is the most visible aspect of an ongoing threat that i and others who have been covering cyber ssecury and cyber threats for a decade. it had a u.s. response and now we hear china is calling this hysterical and they're calling it an overreaction and maintaining it was a weather balloon and clearly it was surveillance operation. the key thing to remember is that china has been hacking our intellectual property, personal data and government agencies and workers for more than a decade and it is very important that americans understand the breadth and depth of those efforts. >> given those capabilities including more sophisticated satellites that orbit the earth, why would china orbit a balloon? >> that's the gig qbig question.

the description of chinese cyber threats are they're not as sophisticated as russia, but they're certainly brazen in these efforts and occasionally sloppy, but effective. over ten years ago they were hitting us with spear phishing e-mails and if you knew what to look for you could catch them and oftentimes they were just as effective and the key scriptor of chinese operations was that they were brazen. they didn't bother to hide these efforts and the same is true with these balloons. clearly, someone messed up here because this was so visible it forced a u.s. response, a very public response that broke off talks between blinken and his counterparts in china and now we're dealing with the fallout. >> so is the u.s. capable and prepared to take on and fight back against some of these other threats that china poses? perhaps much more sophisticated and maybe not a balloon, maybe

not something you can see, but something just as dangerous? >> well, i think we've seen china hack our pipelines, for instance. a little over a year ago the government declassified its findings that china has been implanting itself in the network of pipelines and nott intellectual property theft and in the event someone would do something to the pipelines and in the event of a larger geopolitical conflict over taiwan. we've seen them hacking our businesses for years. if you could see a balloon over every american corporation had been hacked by china, americans would be flabbergasted, and we've seen them hack our personal data. they hacked the office of personnel management several years ago where everyone submits their application who wants a security clearance. we saw them make off with tens of millions of fingerprints, for every american government worker who sought a security clearance. we've seen them hack equifax.

we've seen them hack anthem. we've seen them hack marriott aviation companies. ostensibly, they're building out this large, personal database of americans' personal information. in the beginning, i think the theory was that they could cross-match which american government workers are traveling and staying in the same place as chinese citizens as a counterintelligence effort to root out chinese spies, but it's gotten much more broad than that. so -- sorry. go ahead. >> i was going to say president biden has tried to avoid thwarting a relationship that was already at its lowest point in years. he said that he's planning to speak with president xi in the near-term. we saw secretary of state blinken speak with his counterpart over the weekend. the president is adamant that this is a relationship that should be driven by competition and not another cold war. is that realistic at this point? >> i think there's still hope

for that. i think covid had a huge downward effect on this relationship. we are just starting to see china open up, and in the meantime the relationship has been frosty, at best. i think occasionally the u.s. government feels the need to confront china on this theft very publicly. they did so during the obama administration with intellectual property theft and actually what was interesting was they threatened xi jinping that they would announce sanctions against china ahead of his first visit to the white house. when he arrived to the white house they would announce sanctions just for china's intellectual property threat and just the threat of sanctions and the embarrassment caused china to agree to cut it out when it came to stealing american trade secrets and so that agreement actually stuck for 18 months until trump came in with some of the rhetoric on the trade war

and all bets were off and since then we've seen china resume its intellectual property theft, although it's gone pretty far under ground. i think the balloon really forced this issue back into the open, and the question is what will we do beyond blacklisting some of the aerospace companies and technology companies that went into china's surveillance operation, vis-a-vis the balloon. >> yeah. those are three companies and we've intiuted export controls and those trump tariffs are in place as well. nicole, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. >> thank you so much, bianna. up next on gps, the latest on syria where the earthquake was a catastrophe on top of a catastrophe. we'll be back in just a moment. when it does, aspen dental is here for you. we offer the custom dental treatments you need, all under one roof, right nearby. so we can bring more life to your smile... and more smile to your life... affordably. new patients without insurance

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nearly two weeks ago a 7.8 magnitude earthquake struck near

gazientep, turkey. aftershocks could be felt as far as jordan, iraq, and israel but the greatest damage occurred in southeastern turkey in northern syria where entire city streets were leveled as people slept in the early hours of february 6th. in turkey aid has been rushing in to help the badly battered communities there. but across the border in syria there's barely been a trickle of relief. after 12 years of a brutal civil war the country remains largely cut off from the rest of the world. to help us understand what has prevented the lifesaving aid from reaching those in need, i'm joined by a senior policy adviser to samantha power who was u.s. ambassador to the united nations. thank you so much for joining us. what is the situation on the ground right now? >> thank you for having me. i am a syrian american.

i was born and raised in damascus and it is very painful to think of what the syrian people are still enduring after a decade of war. in the northwest of the country, an area brutalized by the civil war primarily because of ongoing bombings and starvation of the regime and its allies including russia, you have a region of 4 million people, half of them children, who have been essentially almost cut off from the rest of the world and now have to endure this massive, massive earthquake. assistance was very slow to get in. the united nations took almost a week to start delivering support. and the reasons really come down to the fact that russia as a member of the security council has prevented the united nations from accessing the region except for one road. assistance that has been flowing through the regime, over 70 aircrafts landed in damascus after the earthquake are prevented by the syrian regime from crossing into the northwest because it is under opposition

control. and that has really contributed and exacerbated an already dire humanitarian situation. >> i was reading accounts from those there in the early hours of the earthquake thinking it was just another bombing and not even realizing it was an earthquake. that just gives you a sense of what life was like for them prior to this earthquake. it truly is a tragedy upon a tragedy. can you explain specifically how the civil war, itself, has impacted aid going into the area? >> what you have is when the revolution began in 2012, the government of and its allies, the iranian, russian government, lebanese hezbollah mounted a scorch earth campaign against anyone who opposed them and over time were able to really defeat the revolution in most of syria except for this northwestern pocket of the country. there was a time when the regime would surround towns and starve them and force the people living

there to move into this pocket. today you have this area now that is home to 4 million people as i mentioned. half of whom have already been displaced and the infrastructure has been severely damaged because of over a decade of conflict. >> the question, then, turns to how come aid can go into war-battered ukraine, given that russia launched this war against ukraine, that aid can go there but can't get into syria. >> a very good question. really the united nations unfortunately has failed in this moment before the syrian people and i am afraid there is a very bad precedent being set for the rest of the globe whereby, you know, the syrian regime does not control these border crossings. turkey and the opposition do. so the united nations is choosing -- choosing to accept russia's dictates as well as bashar el assad and not move

across the border. independent organizations, some countries have been sending aid to the borders but the united nations and leadership has chosen not to until bashar assad and russia allow them to. that is really dangerous. recently that is exactly what happened. they waited until the russian government allowed the opening of two additional crossings for three months, and one should ask themselves why is the government that is caring for its people only allowing the u.n. to access a severely hit area for three months, and that tells you everything you need to know about the nature of the government in damascus as well as what is happening in the united nations when it comes to these issues. >> that access point, we should note requires u.n. security council approval every six months. this was the deal set up prior to this earthquake. you have vladimir putin and bashar al assad saying the aid should just come through syria and damascus itself. is there any sense that there is a possibility that could actually happen, that they could

follow through on what they say is what they are offering? >> there is a possibility that is below zero. i would offer that. the history of the conflict is for 12 years the syrian regime has manipulated aid especially u.n. aid. there has been a plethora of reporting and one recently that cited over a hundred million dollars ended up in regime-affiliated organizations and designated entities close to bashar al assad through the united nations. already the good will support that's flown into damascus by many countries including western countries as well as arab countries is ending up on the black market in regime-held areas. i am afraid the regime is capitalizing on this moment of crisis to fulfill its objective of coming out of the pressure points that were put on it to limit its death and destruction that it rained on its people and it might be succeeding at that. >> you made that point so clear. politics aside, this is a humanitarian crisis and this is

the right thing to do to bring aid to these people there right now. thank you so much. we appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. that is it for us today. fareed will be back here next sunday morning. you can catch him posting a very important town hall thursday night to mark the first anniversary of russia's war in ukraine. he will be joined by national security adviser jake sullivan and usaid administrator samantha power. the two officials will take live questions from people in kyiv and in washington. you don't want to miss it. 9:00 p.m. eastern on thursday night right here on cnn. in the meantime thank you so much for joining me today. o. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon.

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