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>> very sweet. the capitals have enveloped l ici invited his family to the game tonight and he was announce the starting lineups.his family to and he was announce the starting lineups. very sweet. >> wish his family the best. and just ahead, much more of our coverage of dueling speeches from president biden and vladimir putin who has just wrapped up a marathon address in moscow. delivering a tirade against the west, condemning the u.s. and its nato allies as terrorists and accusing the west of stoortin starting the war in ukraine. "cnn this morning" starts right now. >> translator: we've done absolutely everything,
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everything possible to resolve this problem peacefully. new scenario has been unleashed and peace initiatives have been completely subverted by lies and hypocrisy. >> good morning, i'm poppy ha harlow. sarah sniden n n ner is here wi. don will be back with us tomorrow. >> and here we're watching a speech that president putin just finished, a fiery response after president biden's surprise trip to kyiv. putin's warning to america and the west overall is russia's invasion of ukraine is nearing that one year grim milestone. president biden is preparing to deliver his own dueling speech here in poland in a matter of hours from now. plus families complaining of rashes, headaches and nausea, but are the symptoms actually linked to that toxic train wreck? east palestine, ohio? the head of the epa is returning
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to east palestine as the feds try to figure all this out. and an arrest in the death of a los angeles catholic bishop, who is the man in custody and what is his connection to the church leader. that is coming up. but we begin with the showdown on the world stage, quite a morning already. vladimir putin and president biden delivering dueling speeches this morning as we approach the one year mark of russia's brutal invasion of ukraine. ♪ we just heard putin address the nation in moscow. he condemned the united states and nato countries for supplying weapons to the ukrainians. he described them as, quote, terrorists and accused the west of starting the war. >> translator: we have to continue to make sure that the threat to our lands is removed. the elite of the west do not conceal their ambitions, which
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is to strategically defeat russia, finish us off once and for all. >> reporter: signaling there is no end to the war anytime soon. and hours from now president biden is slighted to give his own speech here in poland after the surprise trip to kyiv yesterday, middle of the warzone with no u.s. forces on the ground. later this hour he will arrive at the presidential palace here in warsaw to meet with po president due "tot duda. ukrainians are begging for more and more weapons as the bloody conflict is tdragging on. big question everyone here has from poland to washington, how long until the american public and european allies grow weary about sending billions of dollars worth of aid to ukraine. clarissa ward is standing by live in kyiv. but first we want to get to fred pleitgen who is in moscow where putin just finished that address.
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putin often saves any announcements or news for the end of these speeches. what stood out to you? >> reporter: yeah, this certainly was one announcement at the end of the speech, you're right, it was a very long speech that putin gave and i would say it was sort of subdivided into three different phases. where on the one hand he said russia tried to do everything to prevent this war, but it was as he put it the regime in kyiv that kept attacking donbas. but one of the other important things that he kept saying is that he tried to make it into a conflict between russia and the west, russia, the east, rather than russia and oosthuizen. bec -- ukraine. he doesn't consider ukraine to be a state. and he pointed out the resilience of the russian economy in the face of all this obviously trying to portray that russia is still going strong. but he did keep the biggest announcement for the last part of it, saying that russia is going to suspend its
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participation in the strategic arms reduction treaty, obviously that is pretty major, both russia and u.s. trying to extend that treaty, it runs until 2026. it sets caps on the amount of nuclear weapons that both countries are verifiably allowed to deploy. and vladimir putin says he believes that the risk of allowing for instance u.s. inspectors or other inspectors on to their bases is he is afraid that they could get attacked by drones from ukraine. that was the sort of big major announcement. but really on the whole you could see russia not willing to back down in any way, shape or form. instead vladimir putin really trying to mobilize russians for a porotracted special operation as he calls it. >> so he said he is suspending russia's participation. doesn't sound like he is saying that they are fully pulling out. what are the implications, is it
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because the u.s. wants to come and inspect these military options in ukraine? -- or russia, excuse me. what is the situation here? >> yeah, that was one of the reasons that was given, but there were various reasons given. he said we have these sites in russia, he doesn't believe that they should be inspected by the u.s. or by any other sort of outside entity because he obviously believes that that is something that could be detrimental to russia in their campaign in ukraine. he was specifically speaking about those places getting attacked. he went on to say it is one thing about having something to do with the united states, having an agreement with the united states, but what about france and the united kingdom, they have nuclear weapons as well. and he sees himself in a major conflict with the collective west as he kept putting it. so he is saying and he made clear to say this twice that they are suspending their participation but not going out of the strategic arms reduction treaty all together.
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he did however say that if the united states decides to develop or further develop any nuclear weapons that russia would then obviously do the same as well. so there is a clear warning in all of this, it is a pretty big decision on the part of vladimir putin to make, but certainly not one that he couldn't walk back from. >> thank you to fred there. you told us that it was going to happen and that is exactly what happened in the speech. president putin not backing down in fact being more aggressive. let's go now to clarissa ward who is in ukraine for us in kyiv. obviously this speech was had and i'm sure it was being watched by the leadership there in ukraine. what are you hearing from them? >> reporter: we've only heard reaction from one senior adviser to the presidency, but i'm sure it reflects the general thinking in the leadership here. he said putin demonstrated irrelevance and confusion
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because everywhere there are nazis, martians and conspiracy theories. really referring there to this kind of alternate reality that putin appears to be presenting. he accused the ukrainian government of being responsible for destroying the economy, destroying the lives of its citizens. he accused them of being responsible for starting the war. he accused them of paying more attention to the interests of the west than to the interests of their own ukrainian people. really reflecting a sort of startling take on the actual events that we have seen transpire on the ground in the last year. he said, quote, talking about the ukrainian government again, they unleashed the war and we continue to use force to stop it. this kind of thinking, this sort of alternative reality, in-ri think really underscores why it is that the ukrainian government
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has shown such reluctance to sit down at the negotiating table with vladimir putin or with his emissaries and try to hash out some kind of a political situation. because at this stage, it is clear that there is such a discrepancy in understanding and perspective on the war, and there is such a complete lack of respect for truth and for facts that the ukrainians just don't believe there is any prospect of being able to take russia at its word even if it were to offer a moreciliatory approach. but i do think it is fair to say that the leadership will be offering this as classic evidence for why a political solution is just not feasible at the moment. >> and that is the problem with lies. clarissa, thank you so much. when you hear stuff lish ke tha from putin, you can see why the ukrainians say he's not dealing
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wit in reality. >> yeah, and it was a lengthy speech from putin. president biden was likely not watching it, but he will be updated. let's bring in david sanger, correspondent for the "new york times." so good to have you here in poland with us. you were listening to putin's speech as i was and you heard him saying that they are suspending participation in that nuclear arms treaty. what does that say to you? >> what a remarkable two days to have the president in kyiv yesterday, here today, and here vladimir putin a year into this with a narrative that still is living in sort of his own head here. as jake sullivan, national security adviser, put it to us earlier today, if the russians pulled out of the war today, the war would stop. if the ukrainians pulled out of the war today, ukraine would just be absorbed into russia. >> pushing back on what putin
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has said that this is because of the west. >> that's right, that somehow the west threatened it. and new s.t.a.r.t. is the last remaining arms control treaty between the united states and russia. it covers the biggest weapons, the strategic weapons that go on, icbms that could it will the united states or other countries, or it could hit russia. and under that treaty, both sides are supposed to be able to inspect the other to make sure that they are complying with the number of warheads that they could have, the deployment of extra strategic missiles and so forth. those inspections haven't happened in the past few years. first because of covid, and then because the russians would not allow the inspectors back in. what he has done now has said i'm done with participating in this inspection thing. what he didn't say was that he is going to build more weapons beyond the 1550 that are allowed.
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now, the whole treaty expires in early 2026. and one of the big questions is, is this a vladimir putin who is even interested in having a follow-on treaty. >> david, you wrote last night that these vastly different world views that we're seeing on the world stage today between what putin just said and what the president will say shows, quote, echos of what president biden wanted to replay. the difference of course is the china factor, right? >> that's right. the china factor is a big element to this because in the cold war, it was basically between the united states and the soviet union. now we have a much larger third player. and that makes this a lot more complicated. it is also a player on whom we are dependent for technology,
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for a lot of trade. we were never in the cold war dependent on the soviet union for key technologies. every apple iphone that you pick up is made -- or just about every one -- is made in china. think about that. almost everything that you see at walmart or much of what you see is made in china. and so this is a much more complicated dynamic. and that is why it is particularly important that we're seeing the top foreign affairs official in china in moscow today meeting we think with president putin, certainly with other russian officials, while the president is here giving his speech. >> and it was notable that just yesterday president zelenskyy told a german newspaper essentially if china does provide lethal aid to russia, we'll have a world war. >> and that has been the big concern here because we're talking about nuclear powers now and world war. i to wando want to ask you, dav
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you talked about the importance of china and where russia stands and we're all connected whether we like it or not. i'm wondering about what you think the possibilities are for ukraine, assuming let's say that ukraine ends up keeping its territory, can they join the eu, will they be given a position for example in nato? do you think that that is a possibility after all that has happened now in this scenario? >> there is a big argument about whether this would be a wise time to let ukraine into nato or not. think about this, ukraine is at war. if it became a member of nato tomorrow, nato would be obliged to enter that war directly. so far it has been indirect. the united states, nato countries have been providing arms, they have been providing intelligence, but they haven't been providing actual human
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forces. and president biden has made it pretty clear that while he wants to support ukraine, he does not want to risk world war iii as he puts it to his staff and that means no direct conflict with the russians. that would end if they entered nato. enteringeu would be a different thing and you could argue that if you really wanted to support the rebuilding of ukraine, you would bring them into the eu right away. >> we'll watch and see what biden says today about that. david, great analysis. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. back here in the united states, a man is in custody after a catholic bishop was killed inside his own home. there is a connection between the man and the community leader that people loved. your best sleep. all night. every night.
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attacker knew him. >> the person of interest was identified as carlos medina, the husband of bishop o'connell's housekeeper. >> let's go to cnn's josh campbell who is live in los angeles up and early this morning. josh, what more are you learning about what happened here? i know there are so many people heartbroken that this bishop has been killed. >> reporter: sarah, good morning to you. 65-year-old carlos medina was arrested yesterday by a los angeles sheriff's department tactical team after an hours' long standoff. authorities say bishop david o'connell who was renowned for his work as a community piece maker was found dead saturday in his home. a deacon went to check on him after the bishop was late for a meeting. the unidentified person told police that medina had been
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acting strange and made comments about the bishop owing him money. detectives were also able to gather surveillance footage near the crime scene which showed an suv pushing into the driveway and departing later. the motive right now is unclear and although there have been reports of some type of financial dispute, luna said his investigators have not yet drawn any conclusions. >> i'm not here telling you it's a dispute over money yet. it's something we've heard to this point and it's something the detectives will go out and validate and see if it's true or not. based on what i know at this time, the suspect had been at the bishop's house before doing work. so there was some kind of a -- maybe a working relationship, but we're still trying to figure out what that relationship was. >> reporter: medina has not yet been charged. cnn is attempting to identify
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whether he has an attorney. you and i have covered so many of these murder cases where you often hear from a family member or neighbor saying, yeah, this was a troubled person, they had a criminal past. we're hearing from numbers who say they were stunned that this man has been implicated in this murder. one telling kcal that medina was, quote, your average grandpa. as investigators work to peace together what happened here and why, community members of all faiths in l.a. and across the country have been expressing anger and grief over the brutal killing of this beloved bishop, share ra. >> josh, thank you for joining us from los angeles. the manslaughter charges against alec baldwin and a movie set armorer have been dowd graded. how this could impact their case. we're also live in east palestine, ohio, this morning as a health clinic for residents affected by that train derailment is going to open up.
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official is heading back to east palestine, ohio. this is 19 days after that toxic train derailment. in just a few hours a new health clinic will open. people have been reporting headache, nausea, burning eyes and sore throat since the derailment earlier this month. jason carroll joins us more from east palestine, ohio. what is that clinic going to be able to give folks and help them? >> reporter: for some it will give peace of mind. it's scheduled to open a few hours from now. cokes will be able to come to this church which has been turned into a clinic. if they are still experiencing symptoms, they'll be able to get checked out by experts. later today ohio's governor as well as the epa administrator will be giving us a briefing. state and local officials continue to say the air and water here is safe. in fact, poppy, yesterday they released new testing data which shows at this point they tested
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530 homes, and all of those homes showed no contaminant above safe limits. despite that there's been a lot of criticism directed at state and federal officials about their response. some of that directed at the transportation secretary pete buttigieg. he spoke about that yesterday on a call with reporters. >> i am very interested in getting to know the residents of east palestine, hearing from them about how they've been impacted with them and communicating with them about the steps we're taking. when the time is right, i do plan to visit east palestine. i don't have a date for you right now. >> reporter: a lot of criticism directed at him. some folks here on the ground, poppy, say he should have had some face time with them already by now. buttigieg has made it clear through tweets he feels there's a need for congress to get involved in terms of regulating the train industry. so he has spoken about that in
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the past. again, folks here on the ground say he needs to be on the ground with them speaking face-to-face. >> jason, who will be on the ground is the epa administrator michael regan. this is his second visit. there's so much mistrust we've seen through your reporting from the folks on the ground. what do they want the head of the epa to assure them with? >> reporter: actually, that's a very good point. you're right, he was here last week meeting with state and local officials and met with a resident as well. i think he'll be asked when he comes back today -- his plan is the same, meet with state and local officials and a resident as well. again, i think what he's going to be asked and pushed on is the long term. michael regan made it clear last week when i spoke with him that he will be here, the epa will be here as long as it takes. people here want to be reassured of that, poppy. >> i think they want to know what the air quality will be
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many future. can this impact them five, ten years down the road. look what happened on the ground after 9/11. jason, thank you very much. prosecutors have downgraded manslaughter charges against alec baldwin for the fatal shooting on the set of his film "rest." he no longer faces a firearm enhancement charge. that would have carried a five-year prison sentence if he is convicted. but he still has two involuntary manslaughter charges and could get up to 18 months in prison. a live round from a prop gun killed baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger. now the same charge was dropped against the film's armorer, hannah gutierrez-reed. let's go ahead now and move over to kaitlan who is in poland for us the last few days with so much news you can barely contain
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yourself. >> yeah, and the president is actually here today i should note. we were here yesterday. he was supposed to be here yesterday and he ended up making that surprise trip to ukraine. he arrived here overnight, and these are very serious matters at hand. he was here 11 months ago when the war started raging next door in ukraine. there are massive concerns here. we've talked to people here, teachers, bankers who have now signed up to train to defend their own country. it's remarkable because poland has the lowest gun ownership per capita in europe. we'll tell you stories of the people you see right here. that's next. >> had you ever handled a gun before? >> no. no.
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president, duda, here in warsaw. they're going to talk about support for ukraine, bolstering nato obviously. poland has greatly felt the impact of russia's invasion. their defense forces have grown in numbers as well since russia started invading its neighbor, and when we got here in warsaw, we spoke with some of the newest polish recruits about why they're signing up for poland's version of the national guard. some of them have never held a gun in their life. they are teachers, farmers, bankers, and even an aspiring opera singer, now volunteering for basic training in warsaw. they are days away from graduating and becoming infantry personnel, the polish version of the u.s. national guard. when russia invaded ukraine, and placed war on poland's doorstep,
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they saw rise in recruits. now the defense minister expects recruits to reach 50,000 in the coming years. >> awareness is the first step of this. >> reporter: for poland, the country with the lowest gun ownership per capita in europe, the invasion became a national call to arms for people with day jobs. >> we slowly turned civilians into soldiers. we teach them the structures. we teach them how to wear the uniform. we teach them how to behave. we teach them when to salute, when to not salute. >> reporter: mary, a 36-year-old mother of two, now finds herself balancing life as a banker on the battlefield. >> i'm very happy that i have this possibility to work and to be a soldier. >> reporter: 22-year-old laura is an aspiring opera singer who joined the tdf in solidarity after being shocked by russia's brutal invasion. >> young people, we are shocked about the situation, and we want to help the ukraine.
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>> reporter: and have you ever handled a gun before? >> no. no. when i came here, it was my first -- first connect with everything military. >> reporter: did it surprise you? >> a little bit, yes, because it's heavy. >> very heavy. >> reporter: laura's twin sister joined the tdf before her, and their mom has also just applied. >> your mom is joining tdf? >> yeah. >> and you're in fdf and your sister? >> reporter: laura, mary, and the rest of the recruits undergo 16 days of basic training, graduating, and then reporting once a month. >> in tdf, you have to learn how to crawl before you walk. >> reporter: putin's unprovoked war in ukraine prompting civil r readiness not seen in europe in decades. >> you're seeing them turn into amazing soldiers.
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>> reporter: despite their differences. one thing unites the territorial area. >> everyone you see behind you loves their country, and regardless of their social economic status, education level, employment, they all love poland, and they all want to serve with a flag on their shoulder. patriotism is the common deno denominator. >> patriotism is the common denominator. >> reporter: it was just amazing to spend several hours with them. >> that was a great piece. like, really, really great. >> reporter: it was great. i think it's something we never expected to see, and all of these people giving so much for the cause from all walks of life, it was fascinating. >> all right. >> reporter: you guys know when a story like this, it takes a
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team effort. betty and clay and antonio, we were all out there setting this up. it was amazing to see these everyday, regular people who now have never held a gun in their lives and they're signing up to defend their country because of what putin has done in ukraine. >> i love she's, like, my mother signed up too. i'm, like, yes. >> family affair. >> that was great. we'll get back to you in just a minute. ahead for us here, chronic pain and dementia. what a new study shows about a possible length. elizabeth standing by to explain.
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(vo) if you've had thyroid eye disease for years and the bags under your eyes are looking more like purses, it's not too late for another treatment option. to learn more visit treatted.com. that's treatt-e-d.com. welcome back this morning. we're learning chronic pain from arthritis or an old injury could actually age your brain faster than normal. it may be linked also to cognitive decline in dementia. our senior medical correspondent
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elizabeth cohen is here to explain. how? how can that be? >> reporter: it is really interesting, and i'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news this morning, but did you know that our brains start to shrink in our 30s and 40s? that is -- that was sort of a startling thing to hear, and what they did in this study was they looked at brain images for more than 19,000 people, and here's what they saw. if you take a look at the hi hipp hipp hippocampus, this is an area of the brain, not only did it shrink with age, but it shrank even more when people were in pain as they aged. they could actually see it in the scans that it shrank more if you were in pain, and it shrank more if you had pain from more than one place, let's say your back and your knee. they gave these folks cognitive tests and they found people were given 11 cognitive tests and if
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you have pay in one site such as your neck and back, or in more than one place, you had pain in several different sites. pain is not good for you. you need to do what you need to do in order to address it as you age. >> this is completely freaking me out right now because i should be mush right now. >> no. >> pabecause i have a lot of pa. i was an athlete. i played volleyball for the university of florida. go gators. sorry. had to. i know a lot of athletes, female and male athletes who suffer from a lot of pain. shoulders, knees are usually the two that really get you. what do you do about it? you don't want to get hooked on pain pills. >> right. >> you don't, but there are over-the-counter pills that you can take. also, there are anti-depressants often used for pain, or massage
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or acupuncture. there are things you can use other than prescription opioids. >> thank you very much. that was eye-opening and terrifter terrifying at the same time. >> you're never going to be mush, my girl. >> you mush me. back to you in poland. >> reporter: we're here over in poland. president bide seasn is here in warsaw. we're waiting for him to leave his hotel. he'll be meeting with the polish president, and they have a lot to discuss. we're going to talk about the split screen of biden's visit, putin's address, all of that with fred pleitgen, and melissa ward. this is president biden's trip to poland. boost® high protein. nonow available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor.. learn more at boost.com/tv think he's postingng about all that ancient roman coinage? no. he's making real-time money moves with merrill.
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year you saw president biden give that speech when he said putin could not remain in power. he's set to give another speech on the world stage condemning putin as the russian invasion of ukraine is entering its second year. putin delivered his own speech earlier this morning, a lengthy speech where he vowed to keep fighting and announced he was suspending russian participation in a treaty with the united states. that was significant. we're joined now by former u.s. to ambassador to ukraine bill taylor, senior military analyst spider marks and jill doherty. i would like to start with you, ambassador, on what your takeaways were from putin's speech, and do you think we will see biden directly respond that when he speaks a few hours from now? >> i'm sure that president biden has a strong measure to give. it is not directed at president putin, but president putin will hear him. president biden's message is
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going to be, we are supporting ukraine against this invasion from the russians, and it'll continue. it'll continue as long as it takes and i hope he says as long as it takes, until victory. that will be the message for president putin directly. >> jill doherty, you have covered president putin for, what? 20 years plus? and i wonder if you heard anything different from him this morning than you expected. >> you know, i wouldn't say it was very different. i mean, all of the criticism of the west was exactly what he said kind of in one place, you know, they're disgusting, he used the word cheating, hypocritical, disgusting, but i think what i did pull away from it is that he is bringing russia back to the soviet days, and
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what i mean by that is he is bringing the society back, everything that he described was government control and government all-important. young people need possibilities and programs. it was very much a soviet idea. it was one idea where he said, we're producing x numbers of tons of this, and i thought i was back in, like, 1985. so i think it's a sad commentary because right now putin -- every problem that he talked about domestically is a problem that he has because of this war in ukraine. so he's pulling out of that certain agreement, and that's disturbing because it not only suspends their participation right now, but it raises questions about where we are going. will there be another tied with arms control agreement or not?
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i think putin showed this. >> jill, you are breaking up just a tiny bit, but we got 99%, and you are always on the mark. you have been covering this for so long. i want to move to senior military analyst spider marks. i'm curious what you think this means. we know putin has not been following the rules of this treaty, but for him to state it out loud like this, is that an escalation somehow? >> well, he's made it very clear that he has nukes awhich is certainly no mystery, right? all along he has said we're going to have consequences if you push too hard which is unnecessary. we know what the capabilities are of the russian military, the nuclear capabilities, and going back to jill's point which i think is absolutely spot-on, is you see this -- this movement, this recidivist behavior of putin if you will where he's trying to recreate something that's been gone for 30 years,
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and when you look at it, you realize that this russian military that he has put in the field to go against the ukrainians has demonstrated itself to be an abject failure from top to bottom. it's a corrupt military. it's leader-less. it has no competence at any level, and any time it engages with the ukrainians, it loses quite considerably, but what we need to -- we need to take this very seriously because the law of large numbers applies here. russia, three times the population of ukraine, can continue to conscript young men, put them into combat without the necessary training obviously, and put this into this meat grinder, but that is the intent that we see for moscow right now which is to try to wear down not only kyiv, but try to wear down the nato alliance. >> and ambassador taylor, i'm here in warsaw, and obviously poland has been a very sovocal advocate for giving ukraine what
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it needs. someone outside said t, send ukraine the f-16. there is no plan to train ukrainians on fighter jets. there was a plan in advance in case they do decide to give them. what do you make of that? >> this is a trend. i mean, we see the united states thinking about providing weapons to ukraine. they think about, for example, providing stingers, anti-aircraft, and that was decided -- they finally decided to do that, and now we're all the way up to patriot missiles, the most advanced anti-aircraft that we've got. same thing on the tanks. that is -- we provided them javelins. first we didn't provide them javelins, and then we did.
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the trend is clear. my bet is the discussion within the administration, within the nato alliance will soon lead to the decision to provide those f-16s as those poles are asking. >> that's a really interesting perspective. >> go ahead. >> no. i was just saying -- there's a little bit of delay. that's remarkable he thinks they'll send the f-16s. >> 100%. i was going to bring clarissa ward. do we have clarissa? what's your response to that hearing now 24 hours after president biden was on the ground in kyiv knowing that is what zelenskyy wants, those f-16s and longer range missiles, is it the belief of the people of kyiv and ukraine that that will ultimately come from the west? >> i wouldn't say it's the belief yet. it's definitely the fervent hope, and i think that yesterday's visit from president biden kind of stoked those dreams even further,
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particularly when you heard some slightly cryptic comments coming from the chief of staff of the presidency who said that some issues had been resolved and some things that were stuck would now be sped up. it wasn't clear exactly what he was alluding to there, but certainly when you talk to ordinary ukrainians, the hope very much is that they could be talking about f-16s, that they could be talking about the kind of long-range missiles and artillery that they have been asking for because ukraine is sort of looking down the barrel right now at what promises to be a deeply unpleasant spring after a very grim winter with some kind of a large scale offensive, although we don't know exactly what that will look like, and there is some speculation as to how the russians are actually -- what kind of ability they have to launch that kind of offensive, but ukraine understands militarily that if outright victory is the goal,
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what they have as the status quo will not be enough to achieve that objective. so for them, they really view this as kind of an existential moment. we need this more sophisticated weaponry if we're going to finish this off, or else this conflict really risks sort of devolving into a protracted stalemate, war of attrition with many more lives lost on both sides, and with vladimir putin ultimately trying to use that protracted conflict to create fissures in the west among those who support ukraine. >> and just to catch everyone up to speed, we are standing by here in warsaw, waiting for president biden to arrive at the presidential palace. he's going to be meeting with polish president duda who has played a fundamental role since russia invaded ukraine in the response, not only humanitarian response, bu
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