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i'm alisyn camerota. welcome to cnn tonight. the jury forewoman on that georgia special grand jury has a lot to say about former president trump and the investigation tonight. >> we definitely heard a lot about former president trump. and we definitely discussed him a lot in the room. and i will say when this list comes out, you wouldn't, there are no major plot twist waiting for you. >> she should be saying all of that out loud? our experts will tell us. plus, president biden making a major speech, saying that russia will never win the war in ukraine, while president putin says it's impossible to defeat russia on the battlefield. so tonight, we'll look at the difference between what we see here in the u.s. and what the russian people see on their tv screens. and we have new reporting from cnn's -- about what nikki haley said about the civil war when she was running for governor south

carolina, in an interview that included a board member of a white nationalist organization. >> i think you had one side of the civil war standing for tradition, and you had another side of the civil war fighting for change. >> do you believe the states, the united states, had the right to succeed? >> i think they do. i think the constitution says that. >> we have more on that new reporting coming up. and watch what happens when bernie sanders accidentally photos bombs a tiktok video. okay, but first, let's get right to that grand jury for woman who is speaking out tonight. here with me in studio's former watergate prosecutor nick -- , the daily shows jordan clapper, cnn legal analyst ed herndon, and political commentator margaret hoover. great to have you guys here tonight. >> thanks for having us tonight. >> so, nick, let me play for you -- while, i've a few different things the jury forewoman said. >> she said a lot today. >> she did have a lot to say. so, i want your take on that. but first, let me play for you

a little bit more. >> we know that you all heard at least one call that donald trump was on during this period. this was the infamous call that the whole world heard as it was released, when he is speaking to the georgia secretary of state george raffensperger. but in terms of just calls and recordings of calls, is there others of those? >> i can tell you i heard other phone calls. i don't think i could name all of them right now if i wanted to. [laughter] after 75 witnesses in eight months, it gets hard to keep all your bits straight. >> other calls that donald trump was on? >> yes, i'm positive that i heard the president on the phone more than once. >> nick, if she's supposed to be speaking out like that? >> while, it's not what usually see with a grand jury investigation. their traditional grand jury sits, it here is the evidence, it decides whether there is

sufficient cause to indict. and it's all secret. and this is a little bit different. georgia has a different situation here, with the special grand jury. she claims that she staying within the parameters of what the judge told her she could say. >> because she's not allowed to talk about deliberation? >> while, she's talking about deliberation. but she's not talking about what the recommendations were, and who they recommended should be indicted. although, i must say, she basically said it's going to be donald trump, that he's going down on an indictment here. i mean, she was asked by the atlanta journal-constitution today about whether or not donald trump, when he said that the grand jury exonerated him, whether that was true, she rolled her eyes and started laughing. which, to me, was a clear sign, yeah, he's going to be indicted. donald trump is going to be another one of these presidents,

the first one to be impeached twice, and he's going to be the first one to face an indictment. >> is i rolling and laughter, jordan, the universal sign for that answer? >> yes, i think so. >> [laughter] >> i like how she played it coy all the way through. and the fact that she said there's no plot twists is so exciting to me. i've got an hbo max account, i've got netflix, i've got plenty a plot twists. the fact that democracy might be boring is frankly the biggest easy could have. >> astead, is this going to possibly hurt the prosecution, that she's out talking to so many different media outlets? >> i don't know if the answer hurts the prosecution. it certainly hurts the suspense around the prosecution. this is someone going way further beyond i think anyone expected of a four person to say in this case. but another thing about this case has been typical, right. not the person speaking out of this point, not the fact that the former president involved, not the fact that he had been

impeached two times before that. so, this is building up to a very atypical resolve, which we know is the former president who is the leading contender of the next nomination of being indicted again. >> maria, what's your thoughts? >> the notion that there might be some real judicial accountability from the third branch of government, a place where we haven't seen checks and balances on the political front. we haven't seen it from the senate in the two times that the president was impeached. he was not convicted. frankly, feels like a plot twist. and the only thing that gives me pause about her speaking out is frankly, her own safety. i mean, in this age of celebrity and this age of needing attention and, frankly, an age of increased height and political polarization and political violence, you know, i worry about anybody sticking their head out and bring attention to a case that is so volatile. and frankly, -- wing nuts, for a better word, for a lack of a better word. >> yes, it's a valid point. nick, to that same question, is

she harming the prosecution's case? >> no, i don't think she's going to harm the case. the indictment will come down and the evidence will be what the evidence is. it's not going to impact what the evidence is actually is. >> but they won't say, the special grand jury was somehow illegitimate, or they were in it for celebrity. i think there -- i'll tell you a little bit more sound. she talked a lot today. and at one point, she said she was excited about, i think, shaking rudy giuliani's hand. none of that stuff donald trump can use against her? >> i don't think that can be used at all in a trial. he's going to have to face particular charges. he's went out to face charges over trying to shake down secretary raffensperger, he's gonna have to face charges perpetrating falsehoods about the georgia election secretary, raffensperger. he's going to have to face charges about trying to temper to governor kemp into actually calling a special session of the georgia legislature. he's going to have to face charges concerning sending rudy

giuliani down to get these fake electors going and to get the legislature in georgia to reconsider the biden electors, and vote in trump electors. i mean, there are a series of criminal acts here. there's evidence to prove those acts. and the star witness in most of this is going to be donald trump, whose voices on tape. so, when you put all that together, this is going to be a blip on the screen in terms of this entire case. >> all right, let me play it for all of you what she says she would like to see happen. >> i, i would be frustrated if nothing happens. this was too much, too much information, too much of my time, too much of everyone's time, too much of their time, too much argument in court about getting people to appear before us, there was just too much for this to just be, oh, okay, we are good. >> and it was just a treasury charge, or perjury charges, with that be accepted to you? >> that's fine.

i will be happy, as long as something happens. >> i, mean it was eight months of her life. i don't blame her. >> that's a lot of time to put into. it a feels like, the last four years sometimes feels like the last 16 years in many peoples lives. i don't know, i'm not holding my breath for accountability. i do worry about her. i think this may be a blip in terms of the prosecution and the case. but as somebody who goes out and talk to people who still support donald trump, i see somebody like this who goes on television, msnbc, i believe, who seems excited about teasing what could happen to donald trump, and i already imagine myself engaging with folks who already see this as illegitimate because this person wants the attention. and i understand it, we all want the information. but i already can tell the court of public opinion that the case is starting to build itself right now. >> i hear you. she's been on our air, that's a clip from our air and msnbc, and she spoke to the atlanta

journal-constitution. your thoughts, mark? >> one of the things that strikes me is that she's naively wonderful innocent about how excited she is to talk to the press about this. it reminds me of this line from william f buckley junior that he'd rather be governed by the first to have people in the boston phonebook than the 20 people in the faculty of harvard, i'm paraphrasing. this is this wonderful process of completely normal ordinary people sitting down to adjudicate justice. i mean, that is the brilliance and the genius of democracy. and you can see that there, sort of in her smile and in our clear eyes. >> i think she made that point, actually, in one of the interviews she said it's so great. we're just normal people. we're all just regular people. just excitable regular people, i'm paraphrasing as well. >> i mean, hey, that's democracy in a nutshell. this speaks to someone who saw the reality show that was the white house come directly to them. but it's very gravely serious to your point, this was a very -- democracy act. but also -- accords without the american people want to see in terms of

accountability. this is someone that rose to that task, even in this moment, as they're making kind of a joke out of it. >> one last thing, nick. she said, there's a quote from her in the atlanta journal-constitution, she said several witnesses, less than a dozen, had been granted immunity for prosecutors. >> that's pretty amazing. that means that not only did she say they were granted immunity, but certain people had already made deals with the prosecutors before they came in to testify. so, in other words, the da -- the da did her homework. she brought in people, she decided to give certain people who are lesser on the line of criminality immunity from prosecution. i mean, this looks like a pretty well thought out case. and it's going to be very interesting to see what the indictment looks like when it comes out. i can't even remember a case where i've ever given more than four people immunity of some kind or made a deal with four people. to give it to 12 -- >> she says less than a dozen. i'm not sure how specific are

mathis. >> even if it's ten, that's a lot. but there are a lot of people involved. look at all the people involved in this phony electors scheme. and there are a lot of different people who can be witnesses. and the question is, how many of those people actually had direct contact with either donald trump, rudy giuliani, john eastman, where mark meadows? those are the big four that are going down on this indictment. >> nick, thank you very much. we'll keep you on speed dial. everybody else, stick around, if you would. next, we're gonna show you the difference between what the war in ukraine looks like here in the u.s., and what the russian people are hearing on tv. this cough. [sfx: coughs] this'll help. vicks vaporub? vicks vaporub's ...medicated vapors

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>> i know, we'll get that in a moment. all right, dueling speeches today from president biden and vladimir putin as the one year anniversary approaches of russia's invasion of ukraine. >> autocrats only understand one word, no, no, no. president putin chose this war. every day the war continues, it's his choice. he could end the war with a word. >> [speaking non-english] [interpreter] the western elites do not conceal their goals. as they say, it's a direct quote to bring russia a strategic defeat. what does that mean for us? it means to and us once and for all. >> cnn presidential historian

timothy naftali joins the conversation, back with jordan klepper, astead herndon, and margaret hoover. kim, great to have you. give us your historical perspective on what these speeches mean? >> well, this is a momentous day. because we are coming to the first anniversary of the start of this war. it's essential for members, leaders of the coalition, to re-up their commitment and to make it clear that even though this war is lasting a lot longer than anybody would want, in fact, nobody wanted this war, except for the russians, that the west is willing to continue to do what is necessary for as long as necessary to help ukraine. so, the timing of the president's speech was natural and important. the fact that he went to ukraine first to be physically present, because remember, our president is commander in chief as well as being head of state and head of government. as commander-in-chief, he needed to be there, because as he has said over and over again, our freedom is on the line. the border of our freedom, the

front of our freedom is right there in the donbas, right there in the south. so he goes there, and then he goes to warsaw, the country that's a frontline country, that next to estonia, is perhaps the most committed to helping ukraine. it was beautiful and it wasn't about just america, it was about poland to. he thanked the polish people again and again. and of course, he talked about the heroism of ukrainians. instead of letting putin frame the discussion the way the russians wanted it to be framed, which is that it's washington versus moscow, he made it clear this is the coalition supporting freedom, supporting ukraine, versus the autocrat. so, i thought the language was right, the moment was right, this was president biden and his very best. and i think like george herbert walker bush, who knew the exact right tone to use in 1989, biden is the right tone today. >> margaret? >> i could not agree more with

you about the choreography. to go to poland is just, it's like double thumbing your nose at the russians, right? first kyiv, then poland? you can't count -- you can't counter program putin better. and you doesn't matter what putin said. the president of the unit stays within both kyiv and poland. it was beautifully orchestrated. this is a day, and i don't think it's trite what harry truman said, politics and partisanship should end of the water's edge. and it's a day where you've seen how effective president biden has been unifying the west. but he's also been pretty effective at unifying what is otherwise a pretty hyperpartisan approach in washington. there is a lot of unity around support for ukraine and support for the western alliance. >> with some vocal exceptions. >> even though you have sort of an ascendant, you know, activist wing of the right. they have still managed to be there and support this alliance. >> yeah, let me follow up on

that. this comes at a critical time, to your point, because the thai politically, and it may not be changing, but it certainly on the radar of both the administration, that you have more vocal minority leaders, majority leaders, in the house who are saying they're looking to put, quote unquote, america first. and that means stepping back from the commenced you crane. which also have an increasing amount of democrats who have said that, not necessarily in congress, but on a local level. i was just in munich with the vice president at the munich security conference, and it was also the tone of the european leaders there, to say that it was important to re-up the commitment right now, because there was the issue that maybe the tide was turning domestically, maybe the tide could be turning domestically in america. so yes, to your point, it was important for the white house to really choreographed that show support in this moment. but it comes as there is an underbelly of a fear of a political sea change that could be on the horizon. >> jordan, it's always interesting to hear how russian state media is playing all of

this. so, here is a little mash up of what they said today. >> [speaking non-english] [speaking non-english] >> [speaking non-english] >> [speaking non-english] >> okay, for people listening on the radio, obviously i'm fluent in russian, as i will now explain exactly what was just said. basically, they say the west is headed towards an escalation. and i think we also should cautiously start to walk a path

towards escalation. and they say the president said we will win, despite the west playing with marked cards, despite the west objected to destroy us, it will work out for them. it's interesting to hear what they're being fed. >> interesting, scary, i heard unity. it sounds like you are talking there over well. it's fascinating to watch this thing. and frankly, i don't know if i have the same amount of optimism about a speech like this bringing a country together. i'd like to think it is, when i see the small but vocal examples of people who are using this yet again as a time to criticize, a time to attack, a time to maybe hold our cards when we're talking about this thing, another cold war coming, feels like there are a minority of folks who still haven't picked aside. and that pops up on days like today. it makes me sad. i think i grew up as a kid who didn't pay that much attention to history class. by think these moments were always important. they were moments that really

brought this country together. and i really, fingers crossed, these are the kind of homes that can do that. >> i don't blame him for being skeptical. >> well, i want to defer to the history in. there are some things what cold war two that are different then cold war one. >> cold or too? >> and some things are the same. many historians call this cold war, today say we're in it. tim naftali would say maybe. one thing slightly different, radio free europe, radio liberty, full disclosure, i'm on the board there, this is an organization that broadcast radio behind the iron curtain so the state media that you just heard that putin got isn't the only thing that russians are hearing. there are millions of russians in russia today who are still getting radio free europe, you are still getting through vans on the internet counter programming to what russian said. so what is the same, but also, different is the technology has changed. and it has allowed us, cold war two was different this way. and there's still an information war, and a battle for broadcasting the truth behind the lines. >> i do not believe we are in a

cold war. the russians want us to believe we are in a cold war. but russia is not the soviet union. it's not the leader of an international global coalition or movement. it is much weaker economically. it is much weaker militarily. it does not pose an existential threat to the united states or north america. it is a major regional problem in europe, and we are the arsenal democracy. but it is not a cold war. >> -- >> well, that's different. that's a different crisis. china and russia have different interests. but in terms of russia, it is essential for putin to get us to talk about a cold war. because his line at home is it's about russian sovereignty. and we have to keep saying it's about ukrainian sovereignty. it's not about russian sovereignty. and as the president said today, you, mr. putin can end the war with a word. you come out of ukraine, and it's over. and putin doesn't want to

accept that, because he cannot. once he decided to annex those four provinces, he decided he didn't want to back out. he did not want an off ramp. so, we don't and should not give putin -- we shouldn't make it easier for him to do is propaganda. he's going to do it anyway. but keep in mind, this is not the cold war, this is not kennedy versus khrushchev, this is the world, or a lot of the world, against an autocrat. and america's the arsenal of democracy, as we were in 1940 and early 41, when we are not part of world war ii. so, that's where we are. and i think this message is a message that will help keep the coalition together. because the minute we make this kennedy versus khrushchev, the germans are going to get antsy. >> great to get your perspective. thank you for being here. everybody, stick around. we have new reporting tonight. cnn's kfile unearth video of nikki haley defending the right

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nothing says lifelike -- new reporting tonight on 2024 presidential candidate nikki haley it. cnn's kfile discovered some video from a 2010 interview with a south carolina activist group that says they, quote, fight attacks against southern culture. >> i think you had one side of the civil war that was fighting for tradition. and you had another side of the civil war that's fighting for change. you know, at the end of the day, i think what i can remember is that, you know, everyone is supposed to have the right, everyone is supposed to be free, everyone is supposed to have the same freedoms as anyone else. so, you know, i think it's tradition versus change. >> she also spoke about a state succeeding from the country. >> do you believe that the

state, the united states, has a right to secede? >> i think they do. the constitution says that. >> if it became an issue where the state of south carolina needed to see from the union, would you support it? >> i'm one of those people who doesn't think it's going to get to that point. >> now, one of the interviewer is identified in reports at the time, and by cnn, was a man named robert slip. that's a board member, active member of the white nationalist council of conservative citizens. that same white nationalist group was cited as inspiration for dylan roof, the white nationalist who killed nine people at historically black church in charleston, south carolina. after that shooting, nikki haley famously supported removing the confederate flag from the south carolina state house grounds. we've reached out to that haley campaign, to ask about this interview and our spokesperson responded, quote, nikki haley's groundbreaking leadership on removing the confederate flag from the south carolina capitol

grounds is well-known, and quote. senior reporter for the route jessica washington joins the conversation, along with jordan klepper, astead herndon, and margaret hoover. astead, let me start with you. that was a different take on the civil war and then what some of us had learned before, in terms of it was about tradition versus change. she omitted, i feel an important factor, like slavery. >> yeah, she amid what the change was advocating for, what the tradition was advocated for on the confederate side, which was the right to enslave. and that was a tradition that was to be held so dear. but the thing for a republican primary is the right to secede probably won't lose you all that many voters, particularly for a part of the trump slate that actually affirms that right all the time. the problem for nikki haley in the situation to see someone who is seen as flip-flopping on issues, and this could be another one. the mere fact in the campaign kind of points to how she took down the confederate flag when she was on the capitol grounds after this white supremacist

shooting is another example of this. it's not just that she is in an ultraconservative, or what we consider a more fringe camp, or that she's in the camp that's trying to bring together folks, it's that she's tried to have both at the same time. i think that's evident here. and that's what's going to be the challenge he has to overcome in the primaries. >> so, this is from 2010. how problematic is this? >> look, i have a very different take on this. and, look, secession is not in the constitution. i, mean there are some things you just said that are incorrect there. but let's just go back to the republican party in south carolina, in a gubernatorial primary, it is a five-way primary, in 2010. nikki haley is the first person of color who is leading for the gubernatorial saw on south carolina and the first woman, okay? she's trying to win republicans. by the way, there are not black republicans who she's trying to get to vote for. because there are not black republicans largely in south carolina. in fact, not even in congress

at the time. and she is just one, she is leading the june 8th primary in a runoff. it is just before she comes away with the majority for the runoff of the gop primary. >> so, basically, to appease the constituents there. >> she is talking to the base of the republican party in a racist state with a racist history. and she isn't saying y'all are racist. but she isn't. so i can appreciate that against the backdrop of the 2023, way more progressive, i think, mainstream understanding and sensitivity about race, you have to understand what she's doing there. >> when you say south carolina is a racist state, you mean -- >> i just mean that there's a lot of -- did i say it's a racist state? thank you for for allowing -- what my client meant to say is, look, there are a lot of -- and i think most republicans in south carolina will recognize

there's a lot of pockets of the republican party in south carolina that still harbor racism. as by the way, witnessed by the fact that the gentleman who was interviewing her was associated with a white nationalist group. that was a really important part of the tea party coalition in 2010 that she had to get in order to win what ultimately became a historic election of the first woman of color to become governor of that state. >> so, political expediency, how do you see it jessica? >> you know, we can say it's political expediency. i think if you agree with racism, if you espouse racism, then you are being racist. i don't think there's really like a line there that you've got to disagree to get along. is that what you hear her saying there? or is just trying to thread some needle that doesn't ever mentioned slavery? >> i think it goes a little bit past that. i think what you're saying, that they are trying to preserve the tradition here. and that tradition was slavery. that goes a little past just trying to thread a needle. that's not really how i see it. and i think that, it's not that different from what she's saying now, against crt, all of

these things. she wants to raise this part of history, whitewash this part of the history. i think it's worth listening to then and what she's saying now. and i think that's an evolution on where the party has realized they can talk about race. >> jordan? >> yeah, i think, i mean, it's tradition -- as ridiculous, tradition versus change. i understand the context. but even ten years ago, that's a wild way to look at the civil war. but i do look at her right now, and an issue she has, i went to nikki haley's kickoff event. she had a real tough time kicking and getting past donald trump. and she can't tear down any monument. these things in her party, i know they are scary, there's a bad history. but if we're going to move forward, you have to stand up and be an adult in the room and call it as you see it. call bs where it is. and i think i see this right now. at the same response she's giving when they ask her about the insurrection. she just keeps giving the same response. >> and we're going to play some of what you find on the campaign trail coming up. >> good tv, it's great tv.

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>> the battle is on for the 2024 rubble and primary are being drawn. so, what's it like out there on the campaign rally and trump are -- back with us this jordan klepper, astead herndon, margaret hoover, and cooper. so interesting people in the. campaign trail and you met nikki haley. you met a man who had soured, used to be a trump supporter, but he had soured on donald. trump and you asked him what was the tipping point. so, let's play that. >> when did trump lose your

support? >> the nail in the coffin for me with donald trump? >> let me guess, charlottesville? >> no. you're not going to get set. >> kids in cages? the insurrection january 6th? >> no, no. >> first impeachment? second impeachment? >> no, no. >> inviting white supremacist over to mar-a-lago? no, but i mean, criticizing desantis before his election. >> would not have guessed it. i would have guessed kids in cages. >> i told you would not have guessed it. >> you guys, you are having too much fun there jordan. >> that was a great conversation. i've had worse conversations at these events. so, that was remarkably spirited. >> that was great. so, what have you gleaned from being out on the campaign trail? >> i will say the haley campaign, first of all, it was nice to be in charleston. i spent too much time in pennsylvania. so, it was really nice to be and lovely south carolina.

the folks there were an interesting sort. i think this is the first time we see somebody come out against donald trump in this election season. i think that is the big question we had. who were these folks that were trump supporters and now becoming haley supporters? another person came up to me and said because trump is a loser, in the midterms, that was big thing. there is definitely energy and that's halle event, of people who are excited about something new. it was a little bit more wholesome than a trump mega event. it was little. i don't think it has much of a chance. but there is definitely an eagerness there to have more adult conversations. >> and they were previous trump supporters, that's what you found mostly, moved over to nikki haley. >> most them are trump supporters. a little bit upset with donald trump. tony asked him the follow-up questions as well, if haley gets out of the race, are you disgusted with trump to the point where you would not support him now? most of them would go back to trump. >> interesting. so, jessica, i mean, it's hard to know what happened on the campaign trail. these are the early days.

ron desantis is sure getting a lot of attention for someone who has not announced he's running. >> that is true. and he's doing the trump playbook. he's making noise. he's being loud. although he actually has held office, which would be different from trump, who has some level that experience. but yeah, he's been loud, he's being obnoxious, he is saying all the anti crt, saying the quiet part out loud, aka, the race is part out loud. so he's making a splash. we'll see what happens to be actually ends up coming out and trying to run. >> i don't know, is it worth it to show you a poll? is it interesting right now? a steady, or the political junkie right. here >> i think the poll of name recognition right now. >> here it is. quinnipiac poll, this is from february 14th, trump 42%, desantis 36%, haley five ascent, pence for, pompeo for. >> as we know, pulling at this point particularly doesn't have a ton of weight. my colleague nick cohen talked about how desantis at this point in the race is not like some other challenge.

we should think of him as someone's coming in with top tier level stardom in a race, that translates to money, name recognition, the ability to wait as the race develops. which is certainly a luxury that desantis will have. but what he's trying to do in a subtle contrast way is that you can get donald trump the president without donald trump the personality, without donald trump the rockies, without donald trump the mess. and so, what he is trying to do is lean into a governance, subtle strategy. where if you feel the country is moving in the wrong direction, culturally, and you have wokeness or the like, you can still vote for this person. but you can do it without having a porn star scandal at the same time. >> [laughter] excellent. how do you say it, some people like that. >> there is a graveyard somewhere full of republican primary contestants who were second term governors who had peak this early in the race.

i mean, jeb bush is in there, scott walker's and their. i don't think anybody wants to be peaking this early. all it does is healthy with money. but $100 million did not help jeb bush get the nomination. you are right, i totally agree with the analysis that he's trying to be trump, but just a little bit more buttoned down. what he doesn't have that trump has is the kind of broad scale charisma. i mean, like him or hate him, donald trump can entertain a crowd. i have spent a little bit of time with ron desantis one-on-one, i have studied his career. this is not a personality who can entertain, broadly, who has the magnum in the, who really has the broadcast charisma that donald trump has. and that is a quality you need on the campaign trail. >> here's a picture that might capture that. this was president biden during hurricane but even in florida. and he's obviously comforting people. he has his arm around some of the folks there. i'm sure this is just a moment

we captured governor desantis. but he seems glum. >> you know, governor desantis was probably thinking about the infamous chris christie image, were being nice to a democratic president ends up running your presidential campaign. he is trying to intentionally keep it so he doesn't end up having a bad moment there. >> maybe, or maybe he just doesn't like looking people in the eye when he's with them. >> okay, on that note. all right, is this the most bernie sanders thing ever? bernie sanders caught in the middle of a tiktok video looking grumpy about it. our panel is going to give their thoughts on what he was thinking in that exact moment. r is plan ahead. you don't know what you're getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the futurere makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody.

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>> there are at least three other tiktok videos people had the decency not to upload. because that's bernie sanders, he doesn't want to be in this, i won't put it up there. so, shame on these folks. >> [laughter] so he's saying, again. jessica, what are you saying? >> i want to go positive with this. bernie sanders is saying maybe all joined the dance. he's thinking, realizing, it's not my time. this isn't a man who doesn't know about technology. he wants to get in on the dance. and you know, he gave the respect, thought, it's not for tonight. >> i like. that so he was actually assessing right there what the dance moves were. >> that's what he's thinking. instead, what do you think he's thinking? >> i think he said big tech got me again. you know, he can't get the second of peace without the overlord looking out at him. >> i see that too. that makes sense. go ahead, margaret. >> i think this is the camera, and he's thinking the cameras right there. but these people are dancing and they're in my way. can i just say one thing? tiktok is evil. we should not be doing a whole tiktok thing right now.

federal employees are not even allowed to have tiktok on their phones because it's a trojan horse for the chinese. government >> okay, fun police. >> i am the fun police. your tiktok is fun? it's fun in china. because they let their 14-year-olds watch educational material and they cut them off after 45 minutes. and then they export the opioid version to us, and that's not my metaphor, that's the metaphor of a nobel peace prize, maria russert, you can look up. so, tiktok is evil. and we should not be watching. and bernie sanders should not be on. it but it's not his fault. >> okay, way to take the fun out of the meme. >> sorry guys. >> because we're all being invaded by tiktok and our minds are being controlled by. which, i know you're right. i actually know you're right, margaret. thank you for letting the air out of that. >> sorry guys. >> i love tiktok.

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including some of donald trump's closest allies. here is what she says about possible charges for the former president. >> i will tell you that it was the process where we heard his name a lot. we definitely heard a lot about former president trump. and we definitely discussed him a lot in the room. and i will say that when this list comes out, you wouldn't -- there are no major plot twist waiting for you. >> here with me now, we have executive editor for one world, karen mayo. also might -- , host of the mic -- host uncanny to. kevin trough, senior adviser for the institute for education and former u.s. attorney harry lippman. harry, your former prosecutor. is that a problem, that she's speaking out a lot, and i will play more sound from her, and talking a lot about what the process was for the special grand jury? i thought was supposed to happen in secret. >> it is not