here is what she says about possible charges for the former president. >> i will tell you that it was the process where we heard his name a lot. we definitely heard a lot about former president trump. and we definitely discussed him a lot in the room. and i will say that when this list comes out, you wouldn't -- there are no major plot twist waiting for you. >> here with me now, we have executive editor for one world, karen mayo. also might -- , host of the mic -- host uncanny to. kevin trough, senior adviser for the institute for education and former u.s. attorney harry lippman. harry, your former prosecutor. is that a problem, that she's speaking out a lot, and i will play more sound from her, and talking a lot about what the process was for the special grand jury? i thought was supposed to happen in secret. >> it is not great.

and it's not as if she is breaking the law, but she could really have the judge come down on her hard. and she could raise arguments that trump will eventually raise as to tainting the jury pool, that. but the headline here, you know, let's just take a step back. the fulton county da, they clearly recommended the indictment of donald trump, not to mention maybe -- >> how do you know that? >> she has as much as said it. i won't tell you, but the initials are donald trump. when they asked, well, he says he was completely exonerated. she literally rolls her eyes and laughs. there are four different ways in which she really makes it beyond any doubt there is a possibility willis doesn't take her up on the recommendation. but it's a small one. so, yes, absolutely right, she's talking out of school. it's not good for the case. but man, we're going to have for the first time in the history the country a fulton county da's going to indict not just trump, but almost certainly it seems to me mark meadows, maybe john eastman,

rudy giuliani. this is the huge event people have been clamoring for for a year. >> okay, let's listen to a little bit more of what she said, right here, to show how you are reading these tea leaves. they're not subtle. >> okay. >> is it -- what you say, when it comes to there are indictments recommended, of course, is it more than 12 people? is it more than 20 people? >> i think if you look at the page numbers of the report, there is about six pages in the middle that got cut out. allow for spacing, it's not a short list. >> not a short list? >> [laughter] >> when it comes to 75 witnesses, it's not, i assume of course, it's not 75. people would you characterize it as 28 people? >> i cannot say i counted. >> [laughter] okay. more than a dozen i think i heard you say in another

interview. >> i believe so. it's probably a good assumption. >> cavon, what are you hearing here? >> yeah, you know, i relate, first of all, for her wanting to share this with the american people. because this process is so confusing and so secretive. and it's not just a year that people have been waiting. really, it's been six plus years, two impeachments, the january six committee, countless probes, and nobody really has seen any accountability here. so, there's all this process when the result. and i think sort of the backsliding of american democracy will not stop until we see that accountability. so, i certainly hope that harry is right here. >> mike, you have your finger on the pulse of trump supporters and republican voters. you talk to them on your call in show. what do you think here? >> i think part of what this does sometimes's it makes him a sympathetic character in a lot of ways. when you talk about the laundry list of accusations over the years, people in that camp believe that this has been a witch hunt. and this is one more level of them.

they are not going to stop until they get something. whether that is true or not, i'm just giving you what the information is and what the people inside that camp are doing, makes them a sympathetic figure that this is a witch hunt and they're not going to stop until they get something on. and i imagine that is what trump's gonna say as well. >> karen, how do you see it? >> trump has also been accused, allegedly, of rape. so, when i think of donald trump and indictment, i think about someone who has gotten away with a lot. it really doesn't matter what peoples feelings are, really, on the right. it just cannot matter. at some point, something's got to stick. better now than any time, you know, here we are. >> one of the interesting things about that, -- , is we don't know if he's gotten away with a lot. we don't know if he's been adjudicate. so it's not even that he goes for the court case, and then isn't convicted. it's that somehow -- other than impeachments, which as you know, the senate didn't convict, other than that, there is not a level of adjudication. so, that --

>> none whatsoever. >> so, critics of donald trump, or even law-abiding people who want there to be a process. >> i think every day -- >> they are the ones who've been waiting a long. time >> at the same, taiwan has gone through the process in some cases, there hasn't ended up in a conviction. so, in other cases, people say unless you convicted of a crime, nine you've not been convicted. >> that's true. >> so, that is the issue here. we all want the truth. i will tell you, if somebody break the law, i don't care who you are, you should pay a penalty for it. i think it does a disservice to the justice system. but time after time, there are accusations against the president. but there hasn't been convictions. or i should say the former president. there hasn't been convictions. and that, for me, when i look at the supporters of donald trump, that is what they keep pointing to. you keep accusing, but nothing ever sticks. >> all, right what's going to happen now. she's speaking, she could be in deepwater with the judge. what could -- >> they very well say, he told them, look, you shouldn't really be saying anything that's not published. and she's being very cutesy and

saying all kinds of things. she's giving the basic numbers, she's got to be close to giving the names, et cetera. now, it's not against the law. they won't throw her in jail. but he could really hammer and say you are violating the courts orders. again though, that's the most -- i do think that there is obviously some frustration on the part of that special grand jury. though she said they're not talking with one another, at least on the part of that foreperson, she not only gave all these hints, she also said i want something to happen finally. they're frustrated, i think, that willis is still taking a fair bit of time after calling it imminent. and maybe she's trying to put pressure on it. it is not good what she's. doing and in fact, you know, it is, it could harm the case. still, the headline, the mind-blowing headline. and to your point, facts and law. just give me 11,500 votes. it's the first time he'll be indicted and subject to proof.

i should actually say, the indictment will come here first. i'm not sure the travel come here first. we can talk more about that. but, you know, she's got very good facts on our side, starting with the raffensperger call that emily coors said they spent a lot of time on. >> i am reminded of how many people i've interviewed on a set like this over the past, fill in the blank, six years who have said something is imminently going to happen. from the mueller investigation through the hush money payments, michael cohen is often on here and says things are immediately going to happen, and it never has. >> but harry so confident. >> i'm not lying. >> no, you haven't. but you sound as confident as people have in the past predicting things like this. >> look, it's definitely, i'm one hunted percent confidence in the special grand jury report. why would willis not uphold that recommendation, when everyone will be there? there's a chance, but that

strikes me as a 95% shot. that's my confidence. we're really close to actual grand jury speaking. sorry, go ahead. >> no, yeah, i hope you're right. but i do think, again, everyone is always waiting for this big shoe to drop. and i think, you know, it's 2023. the justice system needs to be sort of adjust and adapt and learn how to communicate to the american public in a way where it's not all or nothing and they are understanding sort of why cannot certain information be shared or why would be inappropriate sort of as we're criticizing the four woman there. so, i do think, you know, there needs to be a major update the doj and how they're doing a lot of this. >> kierna, what happens, donna trump is running for president, what happens of this indictment is soon or imminent or happening? >> what does happen? first of all, half of us, let's just say, half of us believe that he is a criminal, right. so, we have a criminal running for office. if you are one out of two americans, you do not believe

anything that the man has claimed to be true. and unfortunately, we are looking at a situation where we might have a convicted criminal running for office. ask the right. >> yes, and your point, mike, the people you talk to, that would not be a deterrent? >> again, the people i talked to it would not be a deterrent. to your point a few moments ago, you said it's not about feelings. there are a lot of people in the country that believe because the hunter biden thing that joe biden is a criminal. that doesn't make a true. that doesn't make him convict-able. and that does not mean he should not be the president united states. i want, again, from my point of view as a republican, i want the truth. if the former president committed a crime, he should be punished for that crime. but i want evidence. i want to see it. with the grand jury, is it solely in the grand jury, that is the prosecution that's giving evidence. >> you have heard -- the >> i'm not arguing that. but i want to see that part of it. if it goes to trial, i want to see both sides. the american people deserve to see that. and then, let's come to a conclusion as people, not republicans and democrats, but

as citizens of this country. >> and so, harry, the special grand jury, we have these clues from the four woman. so, now? at a different kind of jury needs to convene now? >> right, by georgia law their only role, she needed them for some reason, but they cannot vote out an indictment. now, there must be regular grandeur. there's good reason to think that grandeur won't meet until next month. but she can very quickly in fact through hearsay, as lawyers would, say bring an agent and summarize the report, give it to them and ask the new grand jury for an indictment. and that's the way it would work. >> okay, and then let's just go down this road. and there is an indictment. then how long, what is the next step, and how long does that take? >> yeah, it's a great question. first, by the way, every week brings a mind bending unprecedented scenario with donald trump. this one, it's, it's especially funky, i think would be the legal term, because you've got a local da indicting a former

president. does that mean after biden's done someone from oklahoma can do the same? there are a lot of embedded issues here, even without them, he could go for a year before you really swear in a jury, with them, who knows. and it might go to federal court. it is really a complicated sort of law school hypothetical. the bottom line though is there is no constitutional reason why the president cannot run with an ankle bracelet and from jail. it's just crazy. but if the 32% stay with them, et cetera, and he becomes the nominee, and he's a convicted criminal, that's what the framers had in mind. >> unbelievable. >> but what the republicans are talking about running, with the candidates, now with nikki haley, the possibility of ron desantis, the republicans are not stupid. and if the president is up against those kinds of headwinds, well, they're not stupid. the republicans are not stupid. and if they are up against those headwinds and they are

supportive of donald trump, if they see this now, if he's convicted or looks like he's got to be convicted -- >> i, mean we won't have time. what you're saying -- certainly they'll be time for conviction. the process will be underway. >> sure, sure, sure. >> and we're right in the middle of one reason why desantis might be wavering. >> they want to look for an alternative, even if there die hard supporters. you're not going to stick with a horse that can't win. >> but how many times has that been said? yes, in this case we're talk about a criminal conviction. but again and again, it's been said, you know, republicans are going to stick with trump if this happens, if that happens. and i hate to, you know, disparage, but, you know, maybe they should all take the competency test. >> yeah, but take a look at the -- look at how the numbers are going now, where you're seeing a huge amount of support in the republican party for ron desantis. i'm not currently predicting he's going to win anything. nikki haley is confident of trump in the race. they are doing that if they don't smell what in the water, so to, speak that they have a chance of winning against donald trump. >> it's a good point.

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see unlucky to do what she's gonna do it. after the mass shooting last week at michigan state university, vanderbilt university sent a note to try to soothe its students. and that note read in part quote in wake of the michigan shootings, let us come together as a community to reaffirm our commitment to caring for one another, and promoting a commitment of inclusivity in care for one edge of the. by doing this we cannot of the victims of the tragedy, and work for safer, more compassion future for all. we're back with mike broomhead

kierna mayo harry litman. i first blush would you say there's anything strange about? that >> yesterday, it's generic there's no tone there's no nuance. a tragedy has happened, i want the human touch right off the top. >> you would sense if there was something kind of robotic about that? >> absolutely, absolutely. >> i wouldn't. >> i completely sense. that >> is the sense there were something wrong. >> no i didn't, i'm with you but knowing what happened it's outrageous. but to your point it would take an expert like you to >> i didn't see it either. turns out the chat she pd. they farmed it out. the administration at vanderbilt farmed it out to chatgpt. >> i think it's incredibly offensive and offensive. you talk about building culture, and community and respect, and emotion, and you using a robot to do it because you don't want to take the five minutes to

write a message to students. i think it's ridiculous. by the way, it may sound generic. at this point we have a gun violence epidemic in the country, so probably would sound generic even if human had written it, but they probably have many of those letters that they had sent. so they wanted to say the time, they could've updated one of those. i find it an absolutely ludicrous choice. >> not even sure of the motivation. harry, who was only something like four paragraphs, or was it we have to get this right? we have to get this right, language is so dicey right now. let's get the help of chatgpt. >> my sense is they were curious about chat tbd. i actually feel the same about this as the last story. this is atrocious, they really miss behaved but chat gp tv s is scary stuff. summer chatgpt is going weird on them and asserting, or i

want to take >> chatgpt crazy -- >> that's right. and all you have to do is program. there is a genuine question among serious a i scholars. can they be programed? how 2001 be a scenario where they're willing to take over. the answer is clearly. no >> hold on, that was the bing search engine the turned into a love craze. i was being, certainly talk to the journalist at the new york times. but here is what the student said, once it came to light in a figure that was chatgpt you can imagine the students vanderbilt fall confused. here's what one student said. i had friends of the michigan state university in berkeley all that night of the shooting. no one expects an institution to come for you after a tragedy. we do expect them not to make it worse in a scramble to stay score torpedo points. >> i do expect university to comfort people after tragedy. when you give him a lot of

money to take very care of you. but, to we grow in a live in a crazy world. people have to be nuance when things like this happen. the one interesting thing to me that's happening is the predictable loss of white collar jobs which is actually very leveling. when we think about innovation, we throw away working class jobs as those most jobs don't matter, those lives don't matter. and in this case i think there's gonna be a very different conversation when people like all of us have our actual jobs threatened. >> we don't need pr people anymore if they're just gonna spit out these types of letters. >> exactly. >> gpt is coming for your job. >> but the university should be ashamed. >> but there are so many things that have to be genuine. if you are the best man or the major matron of honor at a wedding, and you're giving a speech. and i did do a eulogy for a brother, and when you do something like that the best thing you can do is have it be genuine. when you're doing something like this with a tragedy like

this not have it from the heart and the robotic is a slap in the face. and i think it's says what a lot of the challenges are for chatgpt and what the real word is in the motion candidate they convey that? >> i'm with harry, i just don't know. >> although they put the little thing at the bottom. >> was it accidental they put that thing at the bottom by chat gpt? or they wanted the students to see what it was? but if not we wouldn't know that was generated by that. i want to get the dean statement to try to explain this. the dean at vanderbilt says the development and distribution of the initial email did not follow peabody's normal processes at the school providing for multiple layers of review before being sent. the universities administrators including myself were unaware of the email before we sent out. my office will commit a complete review of why the

scene of a sent a. >> i think you know the story about chatgpt is also a story about higher education in america. and really this perception that is true, it really is about the bottom line and lost a lot about students, and lost laws about the education. it's really a sad moment not really reflects the bigger picture. >> as bad pr. if you talk about pr, people have great pr people who work with me. that's their job. i no idea that's what i'm saying. we know that they vet things like that, they make sure things don't go out. the fact that that wasn't reviewed is just amazing to me it vanderbilt university. >> they're right. condolence letters need to be written by humans. it can never change. here again, a year from now this may not be a story. this may become commonplace and heaven forbid for all of us. thank you guys very much. okay, everyone stay with me. just at the supreme court is hearing cases that may tell us about how to control social

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all right the supreme court hearing oral arguments today. the first of two cases that could reshape how social media platforms handle free speech. cases involve google and twitter. these are big questions that the court is tackling about which laws should regulate social media. we're back with kierna mayo

mike broomhead kaivan shroff and harry litman. harry tell us how these cases and for the same cream quarter change relies. >> so we ever do a google search and it's your first grade teacher and your favorite food and how the heck today know that? they know that because these algorithms. you know what you have done before and they send it your way, they would say they're just trying to help you out, kind of curating. that's independent input from google. what the law says is if you are just publishing something that a third party is said, he just put it up there, you don't have any liability. here, google did this and certain people from ices got the joint ices please and they did. they killed the family member of someone and those people are suing. what they're basically saying is the law that says you've got a clean past as long as you are just doing what somebody else

said should not blind when they are contributing their own stuff when they bring their own stuff to the party. >> so more accountability. that sounds good right? more accountability for these platforms? >> nine people on the court as justice kagan says we are not internet experts. the real worry is that if you put it in a could be starting all kinds of lawsuits. and they posed that question to the interstates government they said it's true but, most in one 60. the court is obviously concerned with a field day for lawsuits. i talked to people who were in the courtroom. they actually think google is probably going to win this one, but the main thing that court was thinking is this should be congress's problem. we don't know and i've got to fix this. please don't bring this to us. i think we're gonna have another case tomorrow, slightly different, but that the final opinion will reflect that kind of congress this is your job.

>> i think right to that point, consider the nine people deciding this. they are not digital natives, fact at the nonprofit institute for education we didn't event where, we had a former cto and justice buyer and talked about how to the justices stay up to date with innovation and technology. and they really do draw from so many sources but i think still, when you're not online every day, you're not on twitter, you're not understanding some of the vitriol that can come at you. it is really different. it's funny here because i think there's a lot of support on both sides for diminishing this section 2:34 really poor opposite reasons. democrats want to hold social media companies accountable for failing to moderate hate and disinformation and republicans want to punish them for moderating that stuff. it come up with the same answer to very different agenda item so it's interesting to watch. >> you just mentioned section

2:30. here's what it is. a legal shield that protects platforms from legal identity from content provided by third parties. platforms have immunity from moderated content as they see fit. we've all seen the downside of this. the algorithms feed you often pernicious, dangerous stuff. i think of teenage girls. teenage girls who are fed anorexia content and it makes them sicker. >> it's very complex subject but really there is a problem when the internet in and of itself causes harm. first of all, this is only happening because some but he's child was killed. you send your child to paris on vacation, you think your child is coming home. you don't think your child is gonna be a victim of ice is because somebody because someone had been radicalized by the internet. we just have to be real overall that the internet has and we've got way too long around these major companies to have a pass

and not claim that they are publishers. they are publishers. your time is held to a standard, every other publishers health a particular standard except the internet. there's got to be some give their. >> my only concern is who defines hate and what's going to happen for your business and what you do if there's another group of people who get to define eight, is this now going to be a challenge to what a first amendment rights are. you obviously better speaking at this and i am. i have a lot of hate coming at my way on social media because of what to do, but at the same time i have a right to speak and nobody's ever challenged my right to speak. my concern was that it would get to that point. somebody was saying that i'm what i'm saying is hateful and dangerous and i would be shut down. i think that is a huge concern maybe down the road. >> and not saying it's not complicated, i'm just saying i hope congress can tackle this. harry let's look at the other case. as i understand, of the supreme court this week will be hearing another issue.

this one revolves around the mother of a ten year old who died after seeing and then i guess doing the blackout challenge on tiktok. she tried it on herself and hear the mother of the girl who again was ten years old was on cbs this morning. let's listen to this. >> they are actually feeding to our children, they are sending videos that they've never searched before. >> she is the life of my life. she was smart, she was loving, she was carrying she was my butterfly. she was everything. >> it's awful and there are obviously real life consequences to all of these things. >> these are super tragic stories. this one went the other way and so it might give the court some options for some middle ground

but basically google wants to say we are a huge new stand. they want to say, because you are choosing to make this magazine about blackout or ices and put it in front. when you do that, you've lost the sort of neutrality the, the assumption behind 2:30. tricky,, tricky tricky issue. they say where new stand, others say you're a publisher, get real. >> what about when mike says will it curtail free speech? has the possibility of curtailing free speech? >> now of course, congress just said, you're okay if you just channeling in, that's not a free speech issue, but if you get to this point where people are getting sued, if you do things that are for free speech reasons and people can sue you, that's a problem. the justices were wrangling with that. the lawyer from google was saying this in the justices came back, i don't know if i have to buy your whole creative -- to go the other way, but to your point they are really

circling. they are human and they are old. by and large, i know my kids to circles around me and could get that very thing. that's what they're dealing with. >> to your question. >> and i think people keep pointing at the court as worried about this for sort of floodgates of litigation opening up. that is one consideration but it shouldn't be the main consideration on this. another point people keep saying, section 2:30, the internet could've got off the ground without it. but i think it's fair to say, the internet is doing okay. i don't think that those examples are nationally gel good justifications, some very curious to see what the outcome could be. >> tune in tomorrow, a listen to it, it's very interesting. >> that's what you are here for. >> just invite inured over. >> that's exactly what we're doing. thank you all. stick with us everyone. who would like to work a four day work week? what gonna tell you who's doing

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they got 100 percent of their pay for 80% of the time. it went really well. they all really liked it. in terms of productivity, i got 100 percent of the output, basically here's how they raided it. they said 92% of the organizations will continue, want to continue doing this four day work week and everybody race. the overall experience out of a ten was an 8.3. the busiest performance in productivity was a 7.5 on a scale of ten. revenue went up 35% they claimed at the 61 companies. the number of staff leaving during this time went down 57% compared to similar periods from previous years. why aren't we all doing this? to be need any more evidence? >> i thought when he said four days earlier segment closed. over but it is curious that productivity was down and revenue is up. >> no business performance and

proud to activity was a 7.5 that's of the rate themselves. so productivity >> a thought you said it was. down >> the number of staff leaving went out and productivity i say i would say they went up, and happiness went up. we'll get to that in a. minute >> is the most interesting finding of the study. the men there wound up spending much more time in childcare, in their own child care. not household work, but the men in the study >> spent more time with the families, is with their kids. >> the real thing. that was a really remarkable thing. that whole social good right? >> it is! >> mothers in party articulate have always needed that extra day, there's a lot of juggling, in addition to the job. job always gets done. so what we were saying it break is for most of this eight-hour days a really ten-hour days

anyway. so you are putting in the time, the work is going to happen. but this opportunity to wash clothes on friday afternoon. >> and it, england or the grocery store. it sounds fantastic! here's what according to the employees what their feelings are now. 90% of them want to continue. 73% felt greater satisfaction in the lives. 71% had reduction in the levels of burnout. 62%, easier work life balance. of course. 55% increase in their ability at work. 54% reduction in negative emotions. 56 46% of mental fatigue. 43% improvement in mental health. we are in this mental health crisis and or one and what are we supposed to do about it? mike, then it turns out a four day work week. >> we did this, i was in construction for years and had my own electrical contracting company we would do these and job sites for efficiency. it's 20 guys on the job everybody gets there in the

morning, as roller time in the more at the end of the day, and you roll at one of those days for efficiency. we didn't realize that all of those things were gonna happen. they really liked it. they wanted friday off until monday morning, and they wish they had monday off. the idea having a three day weekend motivates people to get the job done in the four days. they want to keep doing it, and all that happened as a byproduct of what we thought was gonna be. >> come on, why are we doing this everywhere? >> pilot program out west drives home the pointed america should be doing these experiments with policy. that's our bread and butter i'd love to see more of it. i do think it's worth pointing out that we talk about a four day work week for who? because we saw with the pandemic a certain secretary of the labor market did have all the flexibility of remote work and no commuting and more time at home with kids. but of course our nurses, our frontline workers were working harder than others. how do we deliver the future of work to everybody in a way that's sustainable?

instead of really further segment the workforce where you have all these people have all this quality time and enjoy their work environment and everyone else gets left behind. so i think that should be part of the conversation. >> well we need more nurses and teachers. we just do. and just in life we need more. all right well i think i feel that we have decided that this is a great idea. so i guess i won't be seeing you guys tomorrow. we'll see how that works. thank you guys very much. now to this. if you fly with your kids, you're gonna want to hear about this. united airlines making a big change to its family seating policy. i don't really understand why they had this policy but when a talk about how is changing now for your next travel. helping them achieve financial freedom. we're p proud to serve people everywhere, in investing for the retirement they envision. from t the plains to the coast,

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good news for parents flying together as a family is about to get easier impossibly cheaper. united airlines will not let families with children under 12 book seats together free of charge. how about that? the policy comes of basic economy tickets but not with economy plus or first class. should go into effect in the next few weeks. back with me we have harvey kind of on mic and camera. how is this not a policy? how are you supposed to be separated from your children in a different room mike? i don't even understand. >> i want to stay with your kids. >> i'm happy for the families and i'm happy for everyone else

in the plane. i don't to babysit your child. three kids >> what you're up i don't understand others was ever a policy. >> this is become a benefit? >> i think there is some staff or -- who ever thought of this is now being elevated to what a great idea. state of the union. >> here is this moment of import. here you go. >> we're making airlines show you the full ticket price up front. we fund your money if your flight is canceled or delayed. we will prohibit airlines from charging 50 dollar round trip for a family just to be able to sit together. baggage fees are battered off. airlines can't treat your child look at piece of baggage. >> he was passionate about. that >> really.

is this ukraine? >> i want to blame buttigieg for every traffic jam in the country but he has been pushing this given credit. >> the family policy. >> i am astonished. i guess i've just been coughing up the extra $50. because my kids are always with me. >> this is also an interesting pivot considering engines are falling out of planes while they're in the sky. there is another thing to talk about. >> i agree. i am much more concerned about the near misses the piece seemed to being happen. i'd like to get them to get that. what about the system needs upgrading? i'd like that for them to focus on that for sure even more important than this. but i am happy that families can all sit together without a hit 50 dollar charge. >> how quickly the other

airlines are gonna have to follow. there is no way that they will be able to sustain this after this is happened. >> bring back stay, worst pan am we need them? there needs to be addressed called log addressed. >> like a three year old. >> sweatpants, shows you don't need a. times ladies i can be in a plane. no no no, never ever, ever. we don't have to clear security, and enough to tie my shoes when it's over. >> something is going wrong with airlines, there have been concerning things with airlines that i would like them to focus on now. now that we've gotten this taken care of, i would like

them to stop near misses and planes accidentally landing on top of one another. things like. that >> and the extra fees they charge you for the excitement. >> you fly constantly? >> is it unpleasant or pleasant? >> i really hate flying. but flying with kids is a special kind of torture for everyone else. the reason this surprises me is who doesn't let your kids sick with you? they want to let your kids sit with you. >> yeah, it's overdue. >> yes and actually my family just flew to india this weekend. i have to tell you i'm not envious of their travel journey. and being 17 hours, multiple planes. just sounds like a disaster to be traveling right now, gotta tell you. >> have you done that flight? >> not as bad as that no. usually direct. the way to go to india. >> all right you guys thank you very much.

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>> good evening. not since the cold war has the conflict between russia and the west been as sharply drawn as the way president biden and vladimir putin today in dueling speeches just three days before the anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. and a day after, the president's surprise visit to kyiv. >> one year ago, the world was bracing for the fall of kyiv. well, i've just come from