the dead. police have arrested the 19-year-old, thaman they're going to charge with this case. they're not sure about the motive in any of these shootings right now, and it all happened in the pine hills area in orlando. so there's so many questions surrounding this, but that news crew out there covering the early story of the homicide was targeted and shot and the suspected shooter moved onto shoot that mother and her child with that 9-year-old losing their life. so many questions right now as we continue to look into this case. >> ryan, thank you for gathering all that and bringing it to us so quickly. i really appreciate it. it's amazing, three different shooting sites. much more on that and we'll continue to gather more details on it. thank you all for joining us this evening. i'm kate baldwin. ac 360 starts now. good evening. president biden is expected back in washington within the hour after a three-day european trip designed to strengthen western support for ukraine a year into russia's ifivation.

before leaving warsaw this morning the president met with leaders from nato's eastern flank and reaffirmed their joint commitment quoting the white house here to, quote, stand with the ukrainian people for as long as it takes. vladimir putin was also alliance building, meeting with china's top envoy saying cooperation between their two countries is very important for, quote, stabilizing the international situation. russia wants weapons from china. the pentagon spokeswoman today warning, quote, it would certainly be a miscalculation of china to provide lethal aid to russia. president biden had a similar answer today when abc's david murer asked him. >> what's your message to putin on that? >> it's a big mistake, not very responsible. but i don't really think he's thinking of using nuclear weapons or things like that.

>> he snled the opposite today suggesting it's a war of restoring the ocean russian and soviet empire, speaking at a concert marking tomorrow's defender of the fatherland day he said the battle is happening on, quote, our historical borders meaning not the contemporary internationally recognized borders russian forces crossed a year ago this week when they invaded ukraine. cnn's chief white house correspondent phil mattingly in warsaw for us tonight, fred pleitgen, and clarissa ward. phil mattingly starts us off. what is the feelings among the white house officials of the trip as it wraps up? >> reporter: anderson, in talking to white house officials over the course of the last several weeks of the broad outlines of their efforts related to the one-year mark of this invasion, i'm not sure at this moment you could say they could have scripted a better 72-hour period for their goals. there was the shock visit to ukraine, which is kind of a jolt to the collective system of the world as the president stood side by side with president

zelenskyy. there was a speech the president deeply wanted to deliver that not just laid out the broader stakes here but also elevated them as well. and then there was the myriad of meetings with key u.s. allies providing a reiteration of u.s. alliances and value of them but also the steadfast effort going forward in what is a war that shows no signs of ending anytime soon. and i think it's those meetings that will probably have the larger impact over the course of these three days. when you talk to officials they make clear there were substantive and detailed discussions with president zelenskyy behind closed doors with president douda here in warsaw. those are not grip and grab type handshake meetings, those are tangible meetings about next steps, what's needed in this process ahead and complex and difficult decisions that ned to be made. those decisions and how they bear out will probably be the real test of how successful this trip was in the long-term, and certainly in the short-term this

is what white house officials wanted to accomplish. >> there's certainly got to be a lot of concern about vladimir putin's meeting with china's envoy and the potential for ch china supplying weapons to russia. >> there's no question about it. it's been interesting in asking u.s. officials over the course of the last couple of days what their thoughts were on the public statements, the peach, the rally from president putin there was not a lot of surprise, not necessarily elevated concern, even his reference to suspending the new star treaty was somewhat dismissed. it was condemned but dismissed as being more symbolic than actually tangible. it was the meetings happening at the same time between president putin and wang yi, the top diplomat for china. you combine that with u.s. officials talking about the fact they've seen intelligence china is now considering providing lethal aid to ukraine and you get the sense for all the issues the u.s. is going to have to

grapple with in the coming weeks and months related to this war in maintaining what to this point has been an extraordinary durable coalition of western democracy, it's the potential for china's involvement or increased involvement particularly on the lethal aid side that is drawing the most concern, sharp condemnations and a very aggressive effort to head that off as it has become very clear that despite china's reticence to get deeply involved the alliance between russia and china is only growing closer. of course president putin signaled that xi jinping could be coming to moscow some time soon. >> next now we go to moscow and cnn's fred pleitgen. what came out of the meeting today between putin and beijing? >> reporter: putin certainly signaled that the relations with beijing are extremely important to him. in fact, that concert you were talking about, the really important patriotic concert, putin came substantially late to that concert because he was meeting with wang yi, the top

diplomat of the chinese. and he said he wanted to deepen those relations with the chinese because the chinese have become so important for the russians with all the sanctions they've been 11ied on the russians by the u.s. and western partners but also militarily as well. i want to listen to some of what vladimir putin had to say. >> translator: russian-chinese relations are developing just as we planned in previous years. everything is moving forward, developing, and we are reaching new milestones. >> reporter: new milestones there is what vladimir putin was talking about. now, wang yi, seemed to take a swipe at the biden administration and those concerns the chinese might think about providing weapons to the russians. he was saying that the relations between china and russia are on solid footing, that they're not aimed at third countries, but they would also not be the subject as he put it to interference and provocations from third countries either, anderson. >> we talk about this concert in moscow today where he spoke about the historical borders. what other messages did he have

have the crowd? >> reporter: you know, it was a massive event and the russians were saying they believe up to 200,000 people might show up there. i'm not sure it was quite that many. he was talking about russian unity and persevering in the current conflict there in ukraine, talking about how russians can be a part of that. there was another video message he sent out tonight where there was a lot more substance than that he talked about new weapons for the russian troops in ukraine, how they were fighting against neo-nazism in ukraine but also talked about strengthening russia's nuclear weapons. also in the conflict with the west and specifically with the united states as well, anderson. >> fred pleitgen, appreciate it. i talked about it with cnn's fa fareed zakaria shortly before

airtime. what kind of consequences, how do you see this playing out? >> it's not easy to see exactly what they mean by that. i think that the truth is were china to start aiding russia in a significant way, it would be a game changer. the russians are running out of supplies, they're running out of missile. they're running out of hi-tech gear. china could fill many of those gaps, not all those gaps. and the state of u.s.-china relations is so bad, it's not clear what the chinese have to fear. the biden administration has already continued the trump tariffs. they have blocked china's access to lots of hi-tech equipment and computer chip. they're putting in place more processes to do things like that. they denied china access to a number of key technologies they need. so you can imagine from beijing's point of view they're asking themselves what do we have to lose? the americans are already trying to thwart us, and here we have

our only major power ally in the world, russia is asking us for something. so it's a real dilemma. >> but why would it be in china's interest to deepen the relationship? concerning how the war is going for vladimir putin, why deepen the relationship? >> from china's point of view what they end up with is a vassal state that is the largest exporter of energy in the world. and china needs enormous amounts of energy. before the war russia was the largest exporter if you added oil, natural gas, and coal all together russia was number one. china needs all of that. in addition the chinese and the russians do have one common strategic interest, which is they don't want a world that is dominated by the united states. >> if there's a victory for russia in ukraine, does that then emboldened china with taiwan? >> i think so. if there's a victory for russia in ukraine, it says to everyone

that, you know, the strong can do what they will and the weak do what they must. the rules of international relations that was set after 1945 are weakening. and the core of that -- the post-1945 rule was no change of borders by force, no annexation of territory. and for the chinese taiwan is an absolutely central issue. >> and president biden obviously spent a lot of the last few days talking to nato leaders, keeping the alliance short of and unified. it is unified in the face of russian aggression. is there same level of agreement among u.s. allies about china? >> that's a great question, anderson. and the answer is decide udly n. the europeans need china from an economic point of view and also diplomatically. a european senior official said

to me we cannot do without russia's energy and china's market. now, as i say it doesn't have to go down that path. we still could have a better relationship with china than we do. it's not necessary as you say to be so closely aligned with russia, and china unlike russia is not fundamentally a spoiler state, by which i mean russia thrives on this kind of geopolitical tension. when oil prices go up, it helps it. china thrives in an open, peaceful, prosperous trading world. there's an interesting question whether there's anything the biden administration can do to wean china away from russia. to put it in another terms, anderson, the three major nuclear powers in the world to have two of them closely allied with their missiles pointing at the united states is not a -- it's a sobering prospect. >> yeah, definitely. fareed zakaria, thank you.

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we want to bring you a part of the war in ukraine you've likely never seen before. you're about to meet a man when is doing a job that provides comfort to families who lost their loved one in the fight, bringing them to their families for burial. cnn's clarissa ward joins us now from kyiv. i found, clarissa, this report you did so moving. talk about how you found out about this and how you did this. >> reporter: yeah, anderson, it's not everybody who can do this job, and we certainly haven't realized initially that it really falls to volunteers to do this work, and it is a lot of work. we spoke yesterday with the head of this volunteer group, bulldozer, and they said that yesterday was a record day for the number of ukrainian dead that they were trying to get back to their families so that they could give them proper burials. it's easy to get kind of carried away with the excitement of

president biden's visit and all the enthusiasm and support for ukraine that that generated. but underneath that, anderson, when you're spend time here you really remember just how grim and deadly this war really is. take a look. on most days he sets out before dawn. part of a volunteer group called bulldozer that transports the remains of ukraine's fallen soldiers back to their families. at a morgue in the kyiv suburb a group of servicemen awaiting to meet the body of a private. it's somber work and the men move quickly. he hands over the soldier's personal effects. at the moment we have 18 bodies, he tells us, and each family wants to get them as soon as possible. so why do you do this work?

few people are willing to do this work for free, he says, and not everyone has the psyche for it. they are lonely, seemingly endless hours on the road as he crisscrosses the country. emblazoned across the side of his truck is the number 200, a military term for the transport of dead bodies that dates back to soviet time. on occasion processions of people line up on their knees to greet the truck, a mark of respect for the dead. at a morgue in the city of dnipro he stops to pick up more bodies. overwhelmed by the number of casualties, the hospital has taken to storing them in a shipping container in the

parking lot. as the men work, mourning relatives file past. ukraine does not release information on how many of its soldiers have been killed in action, but he says that his daily load has soared in recent weeks as fighting has raged in eastern ukraine. do you have any idea how many bodies you have taken back to their hometowns at this stage? in this van, he says, around 1,000. and now we're at a stage in the war where more and more ukrainian soldiers are being killed. are you seeing that? at the moment, yes, he tells us. right now it's a large amount. 36 hours after he drops off his body the private is given a proper funeral. killed in the donbas region on february 11th his mother can

finally say good-bye to her son. how important was it to you to have his body returned so that you could give him this beautiful funeral today? >> translator: the main thing is to have him at home, not laying somewhere eaten by birds. you understand how awful it is when people just disappear, she says. we cannot change anything, but thank god he is here and i can come to visit him. >> reporter: this is the reason he does this work. seeing the family's grief it's also incredibly painful. the hardest part is when you drop them off, he says, when there are relatives present to look them in the eye. it's very hard, he says, there's so much emotion, so many tears.

but there's no time for tears tonight. he still has more bodies to deliver. and across ukraine many families are still waiting. >> it's just extraordinary. is ukraine taking any extra precautions ahead of friday's anniversary of the invasion? >> they are, anderson, because they've seen that russia in the past on kind of symbolic occasions like new year's eve, which is a huge holiday here can fire off missile attacks just to make a statement or create a provocation. so they've asked schools around the country to go into kind of remote learning mode, essentially for the next couple of days with kids studying online at home. they've also asked people in the city of kherson, which is a city in the south liberated a few months ago but has come under constant shelling, but the russians have sort of pulled

back their forces but can still hit it pretty hard. so they've asked people there, again, to be mindful about going out, for businesses to stay closed, for government workers to work from home, and for humanitarian aid groups not to be going out and distributing aid on those days. they don't know exactly what if anything is going to happen, but they want to be prepared for any possibility because especially in the aftermath of biden's visit and his speech, there is a sense that potentially there could be some kind of a provocation, whether that might be a missile attack, whether it might be artillery, whether it might be drones, anderson. >> just ahead the latest on a new report by "the new york times" that the special counsel had subpoenaed ivanka trump and jared kushner.

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almost two weeks after a source told cnn that the january 6th special counsel had subpoenaed the former vice president sources told "the new york times" jack smith has now down the same with ivanka and her husband jared kushner. cnn's political correspondent

sara murray joins us now with details. what do prosecutors hope to learn from these two? >> these are people who basically had a front row seat on january 6th. they know ivanka trump was with her father when he basically called vice president mike pence and block certification of the election results. and later in the day jared kushner had returned from the middle east and both of them were with the former president, then the president at the time trying to convince him to call off the rioters. so if you want to kind of check the box of what was donald trump doing, what was he saying, what was he potentially thinking on the day of january 6th you need to talk to ivanka trump and jared. >> i wanted to ask stz unusual to move subpoena the daughter and son-in-law of a former president? obviously it's very unusual for a former president to be investigated like this. so this is unusual on top of unusual. >> the whole thing is unusual. think about also what ivanka

trump's and jared kushner's roles were in the white house. that was unusual. that's part of the reason why they had this front row seat to this infamous moment. it makes sense special counsel jack smith is going to want to talk to them. remember the january 6th house investigators also spoke to ivanka trump and jared kushner, and they frankly came away with a scathing assessment of ivanka's testimony saying she wasn't very forthcoming and one of her aids happened to know more about the events unfolding around january 6th that ivanka trump did. if you were jack smith, of course you're going to check this box. this is a place other investigators have gone before. it's not the same escalation as we saw with him going after former vice president mike pence, but still very unusual. >> i want to get some perspective now from cnn's legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general elliott williams. what can they get from these two that the january 6th committee couldn't? >> more importantly anderson the justice department can enforce

its own subpoenas, which congress can't. if congress wishes to go down the road of trying to compel anybody to testify, they'd have to go to the justice department and take everything to court and would be a more convoluted, complex legal process. so anything the justice department does is going to have more teeth in congress both in the way of subpoenas and bringing in anyone to testify. >> so, but i mean how likely is it the former president would try to invoke executive priv l, and how would that play out? >> certainly, he can. now, look, regardless of the fact that these individuals were the daughter and son-in-law of the president, they were still senior advisers to the president of the united states. some conversations that they would have had with the president aren't necessarily going to be protected on account of their role. setting aside why they were there how they got appointed and so on not every conversation is going to be protected. if they were talking about the hang mike pence conversation is that really within their scope

of their duties as an aide to the president or policy related decisions with regard to the president? no. it's a criminal investigation, and there's going to be a very gray area here, anderson, that a court is going to have to slice up and decide was this within the scope of your duties as an aide or were you serving a candidate who also by the way happened to be your father? >> if it was in the scope of their duties and also germane to a criminal investigation, where does that fall? >> privilege is really -- a court, these are hard legal questions that are unusual and never come up before. most are going to have to bend a knee to it criminal process. we came and saw this 40, 50 years ago in the context of richard nixon. necessarily if there's a criminal investigation and this is germane information, it ought to be provided to law enforcement. but again it's a little bit blurry when you're talking about white house staff who might have matters that sort of touch policy but also don't. but, again, the big take away here is that merely working in

the white house or frankly merely being the president of the united states can't be a shield to ever being investigated or participating in an investigation into criminal conduct. >> the time line of what it would take to go through a battle over executive privilege on this, i mean what is that? >> so look, there's the practical time line and the legal time line, anderson. the legal time line it's indefinite. jack smith by virtue of being special counsel can outlive the attorney general and stay on the job for years. now, look, we live in the real world, and at the end of day there's a big political election coming up, and the president -- the former president himself may well be a candidate. and if all of this becomes more complicated to use the words you and sarah said a moment ago, more unusual in about a year. so i think they have an interest in moving things along pretty quickly. >> and obviously the special counsel is not just investigating january 6th, also t the mar-a-lago documents case. it's not clear how much ivanka and jared kushner would know as

witnesses related to documents. >> look, they clearly have proximity to the president and the law at least under federal law doesn't create a privilege but for merely being the daughter of somebody. conversations you have with your dad or mom under federal law can be subject to investigation by law enforcement. and so if they have useful information he can certainly seek to get that from them. he doesn't even need to compel it. he can simply ask the question. coming up it's been nearly three weeks since the toxic train wreck in palestine, ohio. and despite cleanup efforts a lot of concerns and questions remain unanswered. cnn's miguel marquez has the latest on the ground next. ♪ ♪ no two dreams are the same. but there is one van equipped to handle them all.

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tomorrow the national transportation safety board is set to release its preliminary report 19 days ago in east palestine, ohio, that forced an evacuation and controlled release of toxic fumes. transportation secretary pete buttigieg scheduled to meet

tomorrow. the incident is also becoming increasingly political. in just minutes cnn is going to host a town hall with residents of east palestine and their governor mike dewine. first cnn's miguel marquez has the latest on the ground. >> reporter: a massive effort under way to cleanup creeks and water flowing in and around east palestine, ohio. >> it is decimating our businesses. >> reporter: it's dirty, difficult, and slow going work. for those living here building trust that the water and air is safe is slow going as the cleanup itself. >> it took i think norfolk southern three days, four days for us to get a partial list. vinyl chloride, butyl accolade, and benzene residue and combustible liquids. what the hell are combustible liquids? you know, it can be anything. >> reporter: the makings of this

disaster appears to have started somewhere between alliance, ohio, and the derailment in east palestine. surveillance video of the train in alliance shows no signs of sparks coming from its wheels. there is a detector in seabring, ohio, that would indicate overheat, a so-called hot box detector. it's unclear if it detected any overheat. but in salem, ohio, just 13 miles further along, surveillance video clearly shows sparks in bright lights coming from under a rail car at about the half by the way point of the train. there's another hot box detector just down the track from where the surveillance video was taken, but it's not clear if it detected an overheat either. if it did both the conductor and dispatcher would have been alerted to a heating issue. the ntsb said shortly before the derailment another detector alerted the crew of mechanical issue. the derailment occurred around 8:55 p.m. shortly after the train passed market street in downtown east palestine.

the epa now ordering norfolk southern to pay for cleanup the entire disaster zone. >> they have to put together a work plan that's going to be very prescriptive in terms of all of the cleanup, how they'll do it and the radius of that cleanup. they also have to explain to us how they'll pay for it. >> reporter: all of this as former president trump visits east palestine, an area of ohio where he still enjoys enormous support. >> the community has shown the tough and resilient heart of america, and it's what it is. this is really america right here. >> and miguel joins me now from east palestine. so what steps are being taken now to make sure that the water and air are safe? >> reporter: yeah, in addition to that cleanup you're seeing in the creeks that run through east palestine and any surrounding water as well, they are doing tons of testing everywhere. they've done over 500 tests in

homes and municipal water around the area. they've not found any significant contamination so far. the concern of private wells and whether those private wells will remain free of concontaminates, they're insisting and telling people if they have private wells they should test and get them tested regularly. the governor of ohio saying they'll test the water supply every week. >> has it impacted the ability to move forward with the cleanup in some way? >> reporter: it certainly makes the population here more and more distrustful of the federal government effort. the epa has moved in a big way to try to bring order to all of this and force norfolk southern to focus on the cleanup here. this is trump country in a very hard core way, that the signs around here, the reception he got today, and all of that adds to -- adds a layer of difficulty in an area that already

distrusts the government, businesses -- the government at every level. it doesn't certainly make it any easier. >> once again residents of east palestine, ohio, and governor mike dewine join jake tapper. meanwhile hundreds of flights were canceled tonight after a powerful winter storm. all the way from california to maine are under winter weather alerts. jennifer gray is tracking it for us. where are conditions the worst right now, and where is the storm heading? >> conditions are going to be the worst across portions of of the midwest, places like western minnesota, south dakota, north dakota, you can see that blizzard warning in effect. we are going to see blinding conditions with just driving snow, very strong winds. in fact, some of these winds will be anywhere from 50, maybe 55 miles per hour across the southwest. we could see winds of 60 to 70 miles per hour.

so you can see where the biggest impacts are going to be. these areas shaded in red. also power outages are quickly piling up. more than a quarter of a million power outages with very frigid temperatures. we are going to see very high impacts across the sierra as well as snow piles up. here's the radar and you can see where the snow is now. that northern tier across the northern plains, the midwest, great lakes, that's going to continue to come down throughout the overnight hours. we're also seeing icing across these areas and that's going to make travel impossible throughout the overnight and early tomorrow. this should be winding down, though, by the time we get to midday tomorrow and moving out. this is going to have a huge impact on northern new england as well because we could see a foot to a foot and a half of snow there. as far as the ice goes we could see a quarter to a half inch of ice. and here is the snow yet to come. we could see an additional 8 inches of snow across the midwest. and as this moves into new england, anderson, we could pick up as i said a foot to a foot

and a half of snow. >> i also understand despite all this, there were record breaking temperatures today. >> yeah, it's actually remarkable. we had 100-degree span across the south and the northern rockies today. look at all these records broken. atlanta hit 81 degrees today. in fact, that's a monthly record, and then corpus christi hit 95 today, just shattering the previous record. and if you see all of the previous records here really within the last five years it just goes to show climate change in this warming pattern, and so we're going to see this more often. 135 possible record highs broken through friday, and then 35 possible record lows. so definitely yin and yang going on across the country. >> jennifer gray, appreciate it. coming up governor ron desantis making big leaps forward in the money race to challenge the former president. cnn's harry enton has the

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more. this comes as the president's campaign style stops. this weekend he's scheduled to host a three-day donor retreat from the president's mar-a-lago estate. and next week a new memoir comes out followed by a future book tour. joined now by harry enten with more. does it surprise you desantis is getting these big checks without even announcing them? >> i'm not surprised at all, anderson. the reason i'm not surprised at all look how much money he raised during his 2022 re-election bid for florida governor. north of $200 million. north of $200 million, and look at how much trump raised in essentially the first month and half of his campaign ending at the end of 2022, only about $10 million, in fact a little bit less than that. money isn't everything in politics in a presidential bid, but you can't have a successful campaign without having money on hand. >> he's been viewed as a national candidate or potential

national candidate for quite a while. >> that's exactly right, and that's why i think he raised so much in 2022 because there were a lot of people trying again in round four, right, so to me this is an >> just in terms of polls, he's already on the former president's heels, isn't he? >> he's very much so. we had two pretty good national polls that came out in the last few weeks. one from quinnipiac and one from ma moth. you see desantis up to 36%. you see another one -- >> look at haley and pence. >> way back. there was all this thought, oh, my god, all these candidates will get in and it might split the anti-trump vote, right? but here is what i want to tell you, anderson. if you take one thing away from me, it is this. >> i want to take one thing. >> i hope you want to take two or three things away from me. but either way, if you take one

thing away from me, it's that the anti-trump vote this here is not split as much as it was in 2016. desantis at this point with 36%, 33% of the vote, it is a list essentially at this point three months after trump declared during his 2016 bid, the top leading candidate was ben carson who was only 17% in quinnipiac's poll. at this point much higher. >> what happens when you see them one-on-one? >> you see desantis jump out ahead. donald trump at 40%. so i think the idea essentially is if, in fact, ron desantis gets into a one-on-one with trump, that's major trouble for the former president. >> is there evidence that trump is no longer as popular as he was? >> look. we said trump had this 80% approval rating. no one has a higher approval rating with donald trump. but look at the net favorability

ratings. look at ran desantis on your screen right now. where is he? he's plus -- into the 70s. look at where donald trump is. below that. below that. so the fact is at this particular point donald trump isn't the most popular candidate. >> a lot of people don't know much about ron desantis. it is fmore the idea of him. >> will the idea match the realism of ron desantis. >> wow. well said. thank you. >> thank you, sir. still ahead, the murder trial of alex murdaugh. the latest next. our dell technologies adadvisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. you want a loan to build a factory in america? you can't do that. this is what we were up against. nobody builds factorie in the us anymore. you can't do that. experts claimed you couldn't do wh we did.

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stand. i'm told he's pondering that decision overnight in jail. of course, the source saying the lawyers would like to recommend one way or another, but ultimately it is up to the client. but the source put it this way, the final decision is only certain when his hand hits the bible. meanwhile, the defense did call a few other witnesses today, including alex's former law partner. >> what was his demeanor? >> he was devastated. he was crying. i mean, just -- just beside himself. >> his long-time friend and fellow law partner testifying for the defense and revealing how murdaugh appeared before the murders. he shored up that the crime scene investigation was sloppily. he described what he saw in the feed room where paul was killed after, he says, investigators had finished processing that scene. >> looking around down around the floor and all that, it

just -- there was a piece of paul's skull about the size of a baseball laying there. >> did that upset you? >> it did very much. i mean, it really infuriated me. it is kind of like walking across the grave. you just -- it is one of those things you just don't do. >> still, this defense witness also offered testimony that could help the prosecution. during cross-examination, ball identified alex's voice on the recording taken at the dog kennels around the time of the murders. >> any doubt in your mind that they were on that kennel video at 8:44 p.m. on june 7th, 2021? >> none. >> no doubt in your mind. >> no doubt. >> he also told the jury that he said he wasn't at the kennels later in the night. >> now you know that's not true. that wasn't the only time he told you that either. >> no, at least three times.

>> at least three times. >> ball also revealed that he had a couple different versions about how he allegedly checked his family after he found them dead. >> in his conversations with you, had he ever changed his story about who he checked first at the scene? >> the first time i remember, he checked maggie first and then went to paul. and then i heard him say at one point that it was paul, then it was maggie. >> this cell phone forensics expert testified for the defense. he analyzed the data from the night of the murders. one key finding from him, maggie's phone didn't appear to be motion activated around the time the state suggested alex may have tossed it from his moving car. >> can you tell us how much motion would be required for the screen to come on on a phone? >> very little. in the times that alex murdaugh's car was passing, the screen never came on? >> that's correct. the database indicated it was off. >> that witness, the friend of

alex's, he didn't seem to do any favors for him. he said, correct me if i'm wrong, he said he changed his story multiple times in the stories he told his friend and that it was alex's voice on that -- that video, which is crucial. >> yeah. it was really interesting to watch it sort of unravel because the defense brought him in as a defense witness and then he started to talk about the sloppy murder scene. as you heard, the piece of skull that was found in the feed room. and all of these other points he made, these changing stories from alex to his friend of more than 35 years, ananderson. >> randy, appreciate it. a scene in town hall. ohio residents speak out. a fiery train crash in rural ohio has