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105.3 gloria and 104.9 for victoria. the twins say they are motivating each other. when one got a better grade it pushed the other to get a higher score next time. the sisters are headed to none other than yale university in the fall. they plan to study computer science. >> bravo. all the hard work pays off. >> amazing. >> before we go, huge development, a source tells cnn that alex murdaugh is planning to testify today in the murder trial of his wife and son. cnn will have live coverage when court resumes. so stay tuned. >> we'll see you tomorrow. >> see you tomorrow.
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good thursday morning to you i'm jim sciutto. >> the people of ohio awaiting the report on what led up to the devastating the toxic train derailment earlier this month. pete buttigieg is on the ground this morning as residents voice their anger and frustration in the cnn town hall last night. >> if you do not feel safe living in east palestine raise your hand. >> i don't know what the future holds for my town. >> i'm 65 years old, a diabetic, heart disease, everything. now did you shorten my life now? i want to retire and enjoy it. you burned me. >> well, other story we're following this morning, alex murdaugh on trial for murdering his wife and youngest son.
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now a source tells cnn he is expected to take the stand to testify in his own defense. we'll take you to that courtroom live in a moment. and hundreds of thousands of people are without power this morning as a massive cross country winter storm ripped across several states. ahead the warning for new england and the east coast where we are. we begin in east palestine with jason carol. the emotions running high last night we saw the frustrations and fear with the norfolk southern ceo. are folks getting the help they need? >> reporter: we were there last night, hearing some of the emotions from the residents and we'll see as the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg is on the ground, if he will hear from residents as well. right now he's receiving a tour of the site.
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the trench dug out next to the train tracks where the material was burned out, and water pumped next to the site. all of that while we're waiting the preliminary report from the ntsb. already ohio's lieutenant governor spoke out about the report saying, quote, once we get the report from the safety board, that information could be the basis for a criminal referral. i would encourage our ohio team to take a look at that as soon as we get a chance. also the lieutenant governor is saying that the rail company, norfolk southern needs to do more from residents here and if that means relocating some of the residents here, so be it. >> norfolk southern should temporarily relocate people if they feel unsafe living in their homes. i think the railroad should consider buying property of people who may not feel safe or would want to relocate as a
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result of the spill. this is the railroad's spoeblt a responsibility. and it's up to the government to hold them accountable to do right by the citizens of east palestine. >> reporter: as we wait for the report to come out, the transportation secretary here on the ground, he's received criticism for taking this long to get here but he is here today. we'll see if he has an opportunity to hear from residents. >> he expressed regret for not speaking out sooner. we await that report due out in about an hour. thank you so much. new this morning a source tells cnn alex murdaugh on trial now for the murders of his wife and son is planning to testify in his own defense and that happens today. we first learned he might take the stand in his defense when his team asked the judge the
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prosecution be limited in their questioning. and the judge denied that request. >> randy kaye is outside the courthouse this morning. this is the question for days now, will murdaugh testify? we know he likely will. will he be the first to testify? what can we expect to see? >> at this point it's unclear when he would take the stand, if he does take the stand. of course we're told it is likely that cnn has learned that he's planning to take the stand but anything can change. we understand this was a decision from a source telling me this was a decision that alex murdaugh made on his own. his lawyers could recommend one way or another, but they were leaving it up to his client. and there is nothing certain until his hand goes up to take the oath to testify. we are waiting to see if he does testify. the question is the problem for
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the defense. as we know nine witnesses have placed alex murdaugh at the murder scene by identifying his voice on a recording that was on his son's cell phone at 8:44 p.m. he told investigators and others he was not at the kennels around that time. so it would be very interesting to hear how he explains that on the witness stand. but yesterday one of his long-time friends, a fellow lawyer, mark ball, testified about alex murdaugh. he testified for the defense but he sounded a lot like a state witness, actually, when he was speaking about that kennel video and other moments from the night of the murders. listen to what he told the jury. >> any doubt in your mind that alex murdaugh, maggie, and paul were on that kennel video at 8:44 p.m. on june 7, 2021? >> none. >> no doubt? >> no doubt. >> did he deny going down to
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those kennels to his law partner and buddy? >> he said he ate dinner, laid down, took a nap and left to check on him. >> you know that's not true after seeing the kennel video, right? >> no. >> that's not the only time he told you that, is it? >> at least three times. >> how will alex murdaugh, if he takes the stand explain his voice being on the kennel video? and one other note, mark ball said that there was another inconsistency where alex murdaugh told him first he checked maggie and then paul. at another time he told them he checked paul at the scene and then maggie. so there are a few things he may have to explain if he takes the stand today. >> randi kaye thank you so much. we'll take you to that testimony live when it happens. you may have noticed, a
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blizzard, high winds, ice, a storm sweeping across the country is now taking aim at new england. it moved from california to the midwest on wednesday leaving more than 850,000 people without power, dumping up to 40 inches of snow in some area. >> today more than 700 flights have been canceled. the airport in green bay, wisconsin had to close because of the storm yesterday. adrienne joins us from minnesota. this is not over yet but how are the conditions where you are? i saw you earlier, who needs mascara when you can have a coating of snow on your eyelashes. >> reporter: yeah, that's the new fashion trend. i thought they told you guys. i'm letting all our viewers know right now, snow on your eye classes, it's cool, as long as you have fun and stay safe. right now i'm standing on this mountain of snow.
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you might call it itmin-a-snow-ta. the snow has to go somewhere after they remove it. this is normally a sidewalk. if you notice up there, i was pretty much almost even with the crosswalk sign. no one is going to be walking along this sidewalk. if they do, it won't be a walk in the park. the roads, people are taking advice in the twin cities, they've been clear. but under the coat of snow, there is a thin layer of ice, so that's something to be mindful of. we saw heavy snowfall overnight into the morning. visibility was reduced. it's starting to improve, i can see the billboard across the street. i could not see that in the last few hours. but the national weather service, i will point out, they have scaled back the snow totals. initially they were saying at least 20 inches, they've scaled back to about 15.
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perhaps some parts of the state may see 20 inches, but again, it's happening right now, the wind is picking up, it's hard to talk. when the snow hits the side of my face, it hurts. it feels like a needle. it's about 16 degrees but it feels more like 2. i'm going to send it back to you guys now. if you do say something on the other side of this report, i cannot hear you. unfortunately my earpiece got wet because of all the snow. i'm just keeping it real. >> looks like it's measured in feet not inches there. stay warm. thanks so much. >> thanks, adrienne. lots of folks dealing with blizzard like conditions, parts of the south feel like summer. meteorologist chad meyers now. two extremes. even in d.c. it's the 60s, 70s today. what's going on? >> breaking a record in d.c. all the east coast cities could be close to a record today or approaching the entire record for any day for the entire month
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of any february out there. we call those monthly records. look at this yesterday. from 11 below to 96 that was at the same time. that's not morning low compared to afternoon high. that was right in the middle of the afternoon. so over 100 and what 7 degrees difference and today is warm in mccallum. cold behind the snow. record highs almost every dot you see here would likely break a record high for today. some of the records are extremely hard to break. and others are not. the high today, 81 in charlotte, that old record 79, doesn't have a chance. here is your snow across parts of the upper midwest. the snow moving away from adrian and boston. when the sun sets tonight, the roads are going to be icy, everything refreezes tonight as temperatures go back down to the 20s even though right now it's 33.
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the next storm system coming on shore in the pacific. there will be a blizzard in l.a. county. los angeles county. not where the people live, but the high elevations, mount baldi gets up above 6,000 feet i believe. this is the next one to look forward to, 2 to 3 feet of good snow in many spots where the potential is up to 6 because of the contrast between the warm and the cold. kristin, jim. >> almost 80 degrees here in d.c. jim is upset. he wants a snow day this year. >> i should have worn short this is year. >> thank you. coming up next, ukrainian cities are stepping up security as the one year mark comes. the former ambassador, marie joins us. and three people are dead, including a 9-year-old girl and
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a reporter who went to cover a shooting in orlando. the latest on the investigation. we're watching the courtroom in south carolina this morning as a source tells cnn that alex murdaugh will take the stand in his own defense today. we'll take you live if and when it happens. ast and flexible. behold... all that talenent! ♪ this is how we workrk now ♪ on the next episode of "tv dad"... kids are so expensive, dad. maybe try switching your car insurance to progressive. listen to your tv dad. drivers who switch and save with progressive save neay $700 on average. all across the country,
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ukraine are putting extra security measures in place. they're concerned that russia will mark the one-year anniversary of the invasion tomorrow with more attacks on ukrainian cities. >> melissa bell joins us live in kyiv. what's the mood like there? how are ukrainians planning to mark the day tomorrow? >> reporter: looking ahead carefully to what they fear might be an opportunity for russians to mount some kind of symbolic up tick in their efforts. opinions on whether moscow has the capabilities to do that,
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that is the fear and what ukrainians are preparing for in regions are kherson, kharkiv, civilians are being told to stay home if they're concerned. preparations for concerns of increased attacks in those areas that have been taken by by ukrainian forces. what we're hearing is it is around the city of bakhmut that the city remains the most intense with russia increasing the man power, fire power as they try to take a city that's become not just as symbolic but as symbolic as important as it is militarily, with the objective to take the whole of the donbas region over the coming weeks. ukraine managing to hold bakhmut for the time being and saying
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russia has been leading more attacks across the northern border to keep as many ukrainian troops tied up to prevent them making any progress around that front. that is the situation this afternoon but it's ahead to tomorrow's date that everyone looks fearful about what happen but there is doubt whether moscow can achieve the objective of carrying out any symbolic strike as well. today we had the visit from the spanish prime minister following on the heels of joe biden on monday. it is for more support, a tangible effort to show the unity behind kyiv as we head into the anniversary. and also that watchful vigilance we're seeing on the part of ukrainians and presence in the mind of the western allies as we look to what may happen tomorrow and the coming days. >> melissa bell in the ukrainian capital. thank you. joining me to speak about
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this is the former ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, author of the book "lessons from the edge: a memoir". ambassador, ton thank you for t the time this morning. >> thanks for having me on. >> tomorrow marks one year since russia invaded ukraine. is there any end to the war in sight to your view? >> to underline the point it's one year of russia's total war on ukraine but the ninth year, recall in 2014 they took crimea and parts of the donbas, so this has been going on for a long time. to answer your question, i think there is an end in site. russians could pull out troops tomorrow and that would end it. that is probably not likely to happen. but ukrainians here are very optimistic. whether you talk to people in the government or people on the street. they are resilient and they are
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optimistic. and they are hoping that there will be a victory in the nearer term rather than the longer term but it's important we be ready for the long haul and ukraine be ready for the long haul because russia is. >> i was there in 2014, they've been going at this more than a decade. given the russian losses in personnel, equipment, economic costs, you've studied russia for many years does putin have the strength, power, support to continue the war indefinitely? >> yeah, well i think the russians at some point over the last six months made a decision to go to the war of attrition. so they're just pushing bodies, basically, at this war. trying to, as your correspondent said, trying to draw ukrainian troops from other areas. and so the center of gravity is
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in bakhmut right now. i think they don't view the costs the same way that we in the west do or others do. so i think it is possible for putin to keep on going. and he has successfully made this -- in the beginning it was putin's war. it was putin's initiative. but now it has become a russian war. there is support in russia for this war. and he does not appear to be paying a price for this aggression. >> remarkable. i want to give you an opportunity to speak to americans who a year into the more broad based invasion that putin launched last february, to folks here who say why do we need to be there for so long. it still has bipartisan support in the country, in congress, but you see some saying it's a lot of money. it's taking so long, you now have the threat of china arming russia. the expansion of this conflict
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here. explain to folks watching at home why this fight is their fight. >> yeah. that is such an important question. and i really think that president zelenskyy, as so often happens, said it best when he addressed congress and said this is our assistance to ukraine is not a charity. our assistance is an investment in american security, in global security. and i think that is absolutely right. because putin -- make no mistake, he wants to expand the russian empire, he wants to put his mark on history by incorporating ukraine into an enlarged russian empire. but it is also about going further. that has been what he has done over his 20 plus years in power. that's what he said he wants to do. just on tuesday in his address to the russian people, he talked about historically russian lands, which is code not just for ukraine but for further
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west. we need to believe him when he says things like this. i think from an american perspective, it is far better for us to help ukraine as much as we can, as fast as we can so they are victorious in pushing russia back from ukrainian lands and russia understands this is not the way to go in the international system so that we don't have to confront russia at some later point at a time and place that may not be to our advantage. >> as you know, u.s. officials here are warning that china is considering, at least, providing lethal assistance to russia in the ongoing war against ukraine and they've begun to speak about what the consequences might be. we heard from the treasury secretary today talking about economic consequences for china views this war, even as difficult as it's been for russia. does it look like an opportunity to distract the u.s. and west
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from countering china in asia? >> that's certainly a possibility. i think russia -- i'm sorry, china is also learning certain lessons from what is happening between russia and ukraine. and i think we need to take that very much to heart. because if russia gets away with it in ukraine, i think china will think maybe there are possibilities for us in taiwan or other places. so we need to be -- we really need to stick to our policy and be firm. >> marie yovanovitch, good to see you there in the ukrainian capital a year since the invasion. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. be sure to tune in to cnn tonight, fareed zakaria will host top biden national security officials for a cnn town hall, russia's invasion of ukraine one year later. that's at 9:00 p.m. eastern
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so shock and grief in orlando this morning where police say a man expected of shooting a woman then returned to the scene and shot and killed a tv reporter covering the initial shooting and then killed a 9-year-old girl. >> had already done their canvas of the neighborhood and cleared the scene and were out actually following leads on this suspect,
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moses, because they quickly developed him as a suspect in this case. the suspect is not saying much right now. it is unclear if the he knew they were news media or not. we're still trying to work all that out. that vehicle was almost exactly in the same spot -- >> the suspect, 19-year-old keith melvin moses, held on a murder charge in the first shooting and expected to be charged with the other two killings. leyla santiago is live in orlando. what a terrible, terrible story. a reporter covering the first shooting, a 9-year-old little girl. what more can you tell us about the victims? >> reporter: spectrum news 13, the company who this news team worked for, identified the reporter and the photographer. the report, 24-year-old, so a
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young reporter, 24-year-old dylan lions, he was described as motivated and talented, professional. who was living his dream in orlando. he has died. still listed in critical condition at last check is the photographer, that's jessie walldon and, of course, even here at the hospital you can feel the sort of angst among journalists here that are obviously rooting for jessie and hoping for the best here. let's back up a minute. because the quotes, the information that you just played before you came to me from the sheriff, speaks to what is the big question right now, which what was the motive? what led up to this? and while much of that remains unclear in the less than 24 hours since the shooting in which we are right now, we do have more info in terms of the sequence of events. let's go over that quickly. 11:00 a.m. yesterday, deputies get a call that there was a
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shooting of a woman in a car. they go out there, they investigate, then five hours later, 4:00 p.m., another call comes in. and as you mentioned the journalists that were there covering the initial shooting were also shot. then a mother and a 9-year-old child in a nearby home also shot. the 9-year-old died, the mother we're told survived, also in critical condition. here's what else the sheriff said. >> no way in our commune, not a mother, a 9-year-old, certainly not news professionals should become victims of gun violence in our community. >> so right now in custody, 19-year-old keith melvin moses. he has a first appearance court -- court appearance at 1:00. so in just a few hours. we may learn more details than what has publically been
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released. one of the things the sheriff mentioned is he is someone who has a lengthy criminal history that includes gun charges. but the question is why, what is behind the motive? what led up to a 9-year-old and a journalist and a woman all in a nearby vicinity not being with us today. jim, kristin? >> two more young people lose their lives to gun violence. thanks so much. right now we are waiting to see if alex murdaugh, who is on trial for the murders of his wife and son, will take the stand in his own defense. a source tells cnn that will happen today. the trial expected to resume any minute now. as soon as murdaugh begins his testimony we will take you to that live. first let's talk with attorney ariva martin. this is the moment that people have been waiting for in this trial wondering if alex murdaugh will take the stand. and ultimately this is his
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decision, right? and you know, he can easily change his mind up until the moment his hand is on the bible. just walk us through the pros and cons for alex murdaugh and the defense as he debates whether or not to do this. >> you're right, kristin. it is absolutely the decision of alex murdaugh to decide. and, as you said, he can change his mind at any moment up until the time he is sworn in. this is very risky. it's always risky for a defendant to take the stand because not only is he going to be questioned by his own attorney, he's going to be grilled and in this case i would suspect a tough cross-examination by the prosecpr prose prosecutors. we know that alex has given inconsistent statements, he said he was not at the kennels before his wife and son were murdered, even though it appears there's this videotape that shows at
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least his voice can be heard on. so he has to explain why he has given a statement that is contradicted by this clip that was taken from his son's cell phone. >> areva, i have to ask you, the prosecution is depending the case on the snapchat video and the timing and location where it placed him in the minutes prior to that murder. in your view is the prosecution proving its case? >> it's a difficult case, jim. it's all circumstantial evidence, they don't have the murder weapons, they don't have an eyewitness so the entire case is based on circumstantial evidence and obviously that snapchat video is a piece of substantial circumstantial evidence. but so far, there's still an argument for the defense to be made that they cannot pinpoint these murders on alex murdaugh, which is always a challenge for prosecutors when they don't have
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murder weapons and particular eyewitness testimony. >> and right now i believe the prosecutors are addressing the judge. you're looking at live images from inside the courtroom right now. areva, i'm curious, if you were alex murdaugh's attorney, would you be advicie advising him to stand today? if he said i'm going to do it no matter what your advice is, what would you advise him to do? >> it's a tough question. what you do as a defense attorney, you go through the pros and cons with your client but it's his decision once he makes that decision, you want to make sure it's documented that you have gone over with him in great detail what the potential risks are. we know in this case a big part of the prosecution's case is he killed his wife and son to distract from his financial
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issues, the fact he had stolen money from his law firm, he was facing the huge wrongful death case related to the boat accident with his son. we know the defense attorney tried to get the judge to make a ruling yesterday that the prosecutors couldn't go into that area of questioning in the cross but the judge denied that motion. so possibly, the jurors get distracted by the fact there are these crimes he's been charged with. so do they lose sight whether he committed murder and start to focus on the money issues? that's the risk he takes taking the witness stand. >> randi kaye has been covering this. she's outside the courthouse. do you have an idea what the steps are prior to his testimony if murdaugh does testify? >> reporter: right now they are still discussing, jim, whether
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or not the murdaugh would be questioned about the financial crimes, the alleged financial crimes as we know that is something that the state has introduced at this trial and brought on many witnesses about the alleged financial crimes because they believe that speaks to the motive as to why alex murdaugh allegedly killed his wife and son. so that is being discussed again right now. yesterday the defense asked if they could exclude the financial crimes discussion from cross-examination if alex murdaugh does take the stand. the judge is discussing that once again now saying their advice to the client would have been different about taking the stand if the alleged financial crimes were excluded on cross. we're trying to listen in here to see what the judge decides, jim. >> murdaugh is, of course, an attorney himself or used to be, how does that play into this? obviously there's some advantage in he knows how a trial, a courtroom works, but are there
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disadvantages that come with that insider knowledge, too? >> it's a good question, kristin. obviously he knows what cross-examination is, and you would think perhaps because he is an attorney and has tried many cases himself that he would be a better witness, better prepared, better responses on cross-examination. but that can backfire. lawyers trying to be their own lawyers trying to psych out what other lawyers do, can be problematic. he may come off as arrogant, he may come off as a know it all. so there are down sides even when a lawyer takes the stand in his own defense. the ultimate question is believability, is he convincing jurors what he is saying is truthful and something they can rely on. >> all right. we wait and see what happens inside that courtroom. to see if, you know, alex murdaugh decides to take the stand and put his hand on the bible and do this thing once and for all. although of course he can change
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new numbers released just this morning show that the u.s. economy grew slightly less in the fourth quarter of 2022 than previously thought. >> 2.7% instead of 2.9%. christine romans is hoere to break it down. 2.7, not bad. but we know the pressure is the fed wants to see the slower growth in prices and the economy
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to taper interest rates. what's it mean? you're good at putting it in perspective for us. >> you look at the at the end of the year, 2.7% is still a healthy reading on the economy. it showed you that inventories grew, different companies and industries were buying stuff and building up inventories, that added strength to the economy. the consumer was strong. not as strong as the initial read but still strong headed into the end of the year. the fed has been raising interest rates to cool that down, right, so the strong economy and a strong job market doesn't spin off more inflation. i think you look at this number and you say it's a rear view mirror number, still strong at the end of the year. but the anxiety is where we are going forward. we got a jobs number that is really good. 192,000 people filing for the first time for unemployment benefits in the week, that is really, really, a strong job
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market. you heard of the tech layoffs. what i'm seeing in the numbers here, this is still a very good economy for workers. in terms of having a job. so again, shows you the fed has more work to do. >> nice to hear good news there. christine romans. the national labor relations board put employers on notice they can't silence laid off employees in exchange for severance. >> see a lot of that. >> what prompted that? >> we heard tech workers complaining they're being fired and then getting this severance for a few months, right or several months and in exchange for that severance, they have confidentiality clause they can't talk about the company or the circumstances around their layoffs. and that they're saying is not fair. if you offer somebody recsevera,
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you're not going to put a confidentiality clause in there. that gives tech workers the ability to not have restrictions when they leave their jobs. >> so many tech workers laid off over the last few weeks. christine romans, thank you so much. >> nice to see you guys. up next, the latest move by the special counsel looking into january 6th gets closer to former president trump. now he wants to here from ivanka trump and jared kushner. by relieving pressure points and d supporting your body in a way no other mattress can. for a limited time, save up to $500 on select t tempur-pedic adjuststable mattress sets. doors lead us to new opportunities. your dedicated fidelity advisor... -surprise! -for you, mama. ...can help you open thosdoors. by proactively revieng your entire portfolio. with an eye on taxes and risk. doors wereeant to be opened.
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have you made a decision as to whether or not you are going to testify? >> yes, sir. >> what is your decision? >> i am going to testify. i want to testify. >> very well. thank you. >> that is alex murdaugh moments ago that he is going to testify in his defense in the double murder trial for his wife maggie and son paul. the defense has called one witness who will testify before murdaugh, and we will bring that to you live as soon as the
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testimony begins. the special counsel looking into president trump's attempt to stay in power after losing the 2020 election has subpoenaed his daughter ivanka and her husband jared kushner and it is not sure if he is going to try to block them on the grounds of executive privilege because both worked in the white house, and kushner and ivanka were with him on january 6th, and testified before the house select committee. and joining us isis elie honig. i would like to start with this news of jared and ivanka. will they end up testifying and fight it or will the former president try to fight it for them? >> well, i think they will testify and we won't see it, because it is in the grand jury which is of course behind closed doors, but they will be made to testify, because it is a grand
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jury subpoena, and it is not optional. the only real way they could fight it is either for the tre s -- the recipients jared or ivanka to claim executive privilege, and the problem i thd before the january 6th committee and that means they have already waived their executive privilege, and so that means that if they have had some executive privilege, they have given it away. >> elie, how significant is this? >> well, it shows that the attorney general is aiming at the highest powers of those who witnessed most important conversations, and i would ask and note, why has it taken this long? i would say that merrick garland
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could have subpoenaed them a year and half ago, and they were there for the key moments and yet it took over 2 1/2 years, and so we are seeing a notable shift in aggressiveness and shift with jack smith in charge. >> and also the attorneys for the proud boys want to subpoena the former president as a witness for their defense. what do you think is the likelihood that is going to happen? >> very, very low, kristin. the thoughts from these defendants, and this is not the first time that we have seen it, and while the defense is that my client thought that he was following orders from or given permission by donald trump, but other defendants have asked to call donald trump as a witness and others have said, no, and you can make that defense and we can puts a side whether it has merit or not, and you play the
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clip of him speaking at the ellipse and showing the clip, and but you are not going to need the live in person testimony of donald trump, and what really matters is what he said in december and into january of 2021, so i doubt that the judge is going to drag donald trump into court for them as a witness. >> so you don't think that we will hear donald trump as a witness for the proud boys, but we will be hearing from ivanka and jared in the grand jury. >> correct. and we will hear new details of a report coming up. and we will hear alex murdaugh testifying on the stand in his own defense, and wewe wi bring that to yoyou when he goe on the stand. stay two n nights and get 8,000 bonus points. book now at bestwestern.com all across the country,
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