forget the term -- sunday, that's when -- that's when he put paw paw and mags -- that's when we buried them. we didn't bury them when we had the service on friday. i don't think they were done -- that's when we buried them, along with my dad on sunday. >> and alex, what did you do the following week, monday, tuesday, wednesday? >> um, starting when now? >> the day after your dad's

funeral. on monday, um, i went to grandma and papa t's. >> at some point -- >> in the afternoon -- you mean what did i do when i got up that morning? >> yeah, where did you stay? >> we stayed at greenfield sunday night. we woke up at greenfield on monday. >> sunday night you were with the same family members? >> that's right. >> and lizzie's moment and dad. i can't remember when nony and -- left. >> then you went to summerville with who? >> i believe i went by myself, but i know bus -- in the car by myself. i can't remember if buster and i rode together. we probably did ride together -- i don't remember, but i know i went to summerville and buster

was in summerville with me, with grandma and papa t. >> summerville is where maggie's parents live? >> yeah. maggie's mom and dad. >> did you stay with them for a few days? summerville? >> i stayed -- in summerville? yeah, we stayed in summer ville month night, tuesday night, wednesday night, and then we went to greenville. >> okay. um, and what was in greenville? >> um, my niece.

that was -- she was having a baby, and maggie had just b been -- she's been so excited. so, she's just so proud of those girls. she was so excited about the baby. so the baby being born came such a -- such a big deal to me. >> so was the baby born? >> yeah. >> and you went -- >> yeah, the baby was born. a beautiful little baby girl and beautiful little mom. >> then did you go up to the

lake after that? >> we did. i mean, we stayed -- this lake that you all heard about is really close to greenville. when i say we went to greenville, we really went to the lake, but we went up there because, you know -- and when she had the baby, i want to say the baby might have gotten born shortly after we got there, like thursday, but i think it was saturday before we could go and see them, and see my niece and see the baby. that's where we went, was to the lake. but they lived in greenville . on the morning of june 16th,

wednesday -- i think that's a wednesday -- where did you wake up? >> summerville. >> did you ever go to alameda on that day? >> on wednesday? >> yes, sir. >> i don't believe so. did you go to alameda at 6:30 in the morning? >> i know for a fact i didn't go at 6:30 in the morning. i was in summerville. i didn't go to alameda at any point early in the morning. i was some summerville. i'm not positive about this, but i know they did a -- i know some of those records they have, it was sometime before i left summerville.

during the week after your dad's funeral, did you ever take a blue tarp into the house at alameda? >> the week following my dad's funeral? >> yes, sir. >> no, i did not. there's a blue rain jacket. have you ever seen it before. >> never seen it before, never touched it, don't know anything about it. did you ever remember taking a tarp at any time? >> i don't remember it. i don't remember taking a tarp over there, but, you know, shelly's got something in her mind about that. it may have been at some point, but i certainly don't remember it.

it certainly wasn't any time around my dad's funeral or weeks follow . i think we have talked briefly about your recollection of times. >> okay. >> i just want to play from state's exhibit 517, which is the august 11th interview, starting at 5:52. if you could pull that clip up? >> all right .

>> uh, we have been -- [ inaudible ] >> who was at your house when you left? what time did you go to the office? >> we had been to a ball game that weekend. i don't remember exactly what time. it would have been, uh,

interest -- somewhere between 8:30 and 9:30 probably, 10:00 at the latest. >> now, on this tape, were you being asked when you went to work on the 7th? >> yes. and you said 8:30 to 9:30 in the morning? >> and i said i said 10:00 at the latest. >> was that correct? >> no, it wasn't. >> what does it look like the time you went to work on the 7th? >> a little after noon. >> all right. >> if we go to state's exhibit -- >> you know, mr. griffin on that same date, i also if you play that thing further, i also told him the best way to see exactly when i went in that door is to

go and get my information from my law firm. i told them, you know, we have a -- you know how things are electronic now, where you don't have a key, but a keycard. you have a keycard in your wallet. when you use it, it creates all this other stuff, a digital foot, and i told david owens he could get it from my office. >> was that a common response when you were asked about times? >> yes, sir. >> you did that more than once? >> yes, sir. >> so, in we had gotten the june 10th interview, which is state's exhibit 243, and doug, i would like to go to 6:29, appeared you're being asked when paul

arrived. >> roughly what time in the afternoon? >> i think it would be somewhere in the 5:00 range. it was broad daylight -- it wasn't dusk, dark or late, you know? and we rode -- you know, we just rode around. >> did you tell him on june 10th that paul got there at that 5:00 period? >> i obviously did. >> was that incorrect? >> yes, sir, it was incredible. >> what time did you, looking at the record now, what time did it look like paul actually got there? >> in looking at the records, it's clear he got there sometime around 7:00. >> at some point in time did you have a conversation with shelly smith about how long you were over at alameda on the night of june 7th. >> i don't distinctly remember a conversation with her about how

long i was over there, but i know i told shelly smith that sled was going to come and talk to her, and that i would appreciate it if she would talk to them, and that she just needed to tell them the truth. >> did you take extra care not to talk to people that you knew sled would be talking to? >> absolutely. >> why is that? >> after this boat wreck that you've heard so much talk about in this courtroom, there were social media, newspaper, i mean, it went deeper than that, but there were so so much talk about how i, you know, fixed witnesses and structured the investigation. things that were totally false,

that were absolutely baseless, but it was said repeatedly, repeatedly. it was reported repeatedly how i had done this and this win and influenced this police officer, and all these things. so i wasn't taking any chances. >> i want to ask you about the august 11th interview with david o owen. >> absolutely. >> had you requested that meeting? >> what i really had been requested was information. i had been begging david owen to

come meet with me and specifically -- i wanted grandma and papa t had so many questions that i couldn't answer. i had been begging him to meet with me and meet with grandma and papa t. i had been begging him for weeks and weeks. >>. >> when you went into the meeting on august 11th, did you think that was what it was for, to give you an update? >> yes. >> at the conclusion of the meeting, they let you know that you were their prime suspect? >> objection, your honor.

facts not in evidence. >> mr. griffin? >> i'll rephrase it. by the conclusion of the meeting, did they make it known to you that you were a suspect? >> there's no question about that. absolutely. now, he used a lot of -- you hear talk about how i'm in the circle, and he can't get me on you, this and that, but there's no doubt in my mind, there was no question in my mind what was going on. >> and the -- during that meeting, did they show you the snapchat video of you trying to stand up in a fruit tree? >> yes. >> were you questioned about what clothing you were wearing this?

>> i can't remember if he showed me a whole video or a whole picture, but i was definitely shown that information and shown those clothes in that meeting. >> and what clothes with you wearing? >> the same ones youeen -- >> do you remember what kind of pants? >> it was khaki pants. >> what kind of shirt? >> a short-leaf button down -- i call it a dress shirt, but a short-sleeved button-down shirt. >> like the shirt you have there? >> yes, but shortsleeved, blue with somably stripes. >> were you questioned about when you changed out of those clothes? >> i was. >> did you have a follow-up -- did you have a conversation after that meeting about what you were wearing that day?

>> absolutely. what was the purpose of the conversation with blanca? >> they made ago issue about that in that meeting, and i asked blanca about those clothes that i had had on earlier that day. >> did you ask her specifically about the blue shirt? >> i asked her specifically about all of those clothes. what i asked about was, did she remember getting my clothes after she came back, when she wait a minute back, did she remember getting my clothes? that's specifically what i asked her. >> and why were you asking her those questions? >> because on august 11th, they had made an issue about me wearing -- still wearing those clothes, not having changed clothes when nieves that --

>> did they ever ask you on august 11th whether -- did they ask you for those clothes? can you produce the clothes? >> no, they didn't. >> have they ever asked you for those clothes? >> no. as far as my understanding goes, my clothes were never an issue in this case until y'all figured out, as my lawyers figured out, that there was no blood spatter -- >> objection. >> sir? objection. >> 401, 402 and beyond speculation, your honor. >> mr. griffith? >> it's a matter of public record. >> what is? >> the issues with the shirt and the blood test. >> it's a matter of public record? >> filed in this case, yes, sir.

>> the objection is overyule. o. >> i'm well aware that my clothes never became an issue in this case until my lawyers -- proved that this blood spatter that they said i had on my shirt from my wife and my son was a lie. and that there was no blood on my shirt. once they filed the documents and they proved that that was a lie, all of a sudden the clothes i was wearing back on that day became an issue. and that's in the weeks leading up to this trial. >> now, alex, after maggie and

paul were murdered on june 7th and 8th, where did you stay? and where did you keep clothes? >> say that again, police. >> where were you staying overnight -- let me ask you this. did you ever spend another night at mozel after june 7th? >> i never spent another night there. >> why not? >> i couldn't. i didn't want to. >> okay. where were you staying when we talked about the days and weeks, week afterwards. where were you staying? when you got back in the lake and greenville.

>> um, i stayed -- actually, when i got back from greenville, that would be the first week was my dad's funeral, so that would be the second week -- i now bus and i stayed with grandma and papa t as much as i could. you know, um -- i stayed with, um -- i stayed with my brother randy a lot. i stayed with my brother john a lot. um, bus and i stayed at eddy stone a bit, but at the beginning i stayed with my brother randy appeared his wife christy, or i stayed with my

brother john and his wife lizzie. basically at that time, buster was doing -- excuse me -- buster was -- buster worked for wild wing at that time. they had been so kind to him, gave him -- they let him be off for a ridiculous amount of time, they were so good to him. he stayed with me. when he had to go back to work, he would stay at my brother john and lizzie's, because it was close. so i would stay with randy and christy in hampton when buster was there, i would almost always go as to john and lizzie's when buster was there. i would go sometimes when buster wasn't there, but i -- johnny parker, one of my partners, had

a guesthouse. his mother-in-law had lived in when she was sick that's really right at the foot of randy's drive. it's 100 yards, 70 yards from randy's house. i was going to move into -- i was going to move into that house until we figured out where i could live. so i had clothes there, i had clothes at randy's, i said clothes at john marvin's. i had clothes -- i think buster talked about, where we went to the river, i had clothes there. i had clothes in summerville and i still had clothes at mozell. >> last question?

>> were your clothes spread out, a lot of different places? >> yes. >> all right. thank you. we're going to break for lunch and return at -- in an hour and 15 minutes. hello, i'm abby philip in washington. you've just been listening to arrive etting testimony from alex murdaugh, who has taken the stand. it's been a pivotal day. the disbarred attorney charged with killing his wife and younger son. dianne gallagher is outside of that courthouse. diane, really an incredible morning seeing alex murdaugh on the witness stand. bring us up to date on all that's transpired. >> this is something we had haertz from the beginning that alex murdaugh wanted to testify, but any time a defendant it was,

there is high risk. the defense is hoping there will be high reward and straight out of the gate they asked him the pivotal question in this trial. >> mr. murdaugh, did you take this gun or any gun like it and blow your son's brains out on june 7th, or any day or any time? >> no, i did not. >> did you shoot a 300 blackout into her head, causing her death? >> mr. griffin, i didn't shoot my wife or my son any time, ever. >> reporter: that is the pivotal question at the center, but the real question, the red flag, perhaps the biggest red flag if you will in this, is this video found on paul murdaugh's phone that he recorded at the kennels

he was killed, the moment before he was murdered. we're talking a matter of minutes. it was recorded at 8:44 prime minister. p alex murdaugh's voice has been identified on that video being more than half a dozen family members. alex swore to law enforcement, to anyone who would listen. we've heard through testimony, he was never at the kennel after dinner and never at the scene of the crime until he showed up and found the bodies. today he was asked wise hi voice was on the video. >> is that you on the kennel video at 8:44 p.m. on june 7th, the night that maggie and paul were murdered? >> it is. were you in fact at the kennels that night? >> i was. >> did you lie to sled agent owen and deputy laura rut lapped

on the night of june 7th, and told them you stayed at the house -- >> i did lie to them. >> reporter: perhaps even more astonishing to people was behind him admitting when he lied, as he was asked why. he said he was addicted to drugs, paranoid, an once he told the lie, he tipped tell it because of paranoia. today is the first time in more than a year and a half, nearly two years since maggie and paul murdaugh were killed that alex murdaugh has admitted he was with them just moments before they were murdered. >> that extraordinary explanation why he lied, was there any reaction inside the

courtroom when he made those comments about being paranoid, about being on drugs? >> reporter: not necessarily, because that's been the cornerstone of this case. they didn't fid that video until early 2022. 12 wasn't initially known about when they were presenting evidence to alex murdaugh in the months after the murders. listening to every single person identify it as his voice, i think the bigger question was going to be, what's he going to say? he has to address this. are they going to have some reason for it? what is the reasoning for why his voice was there, so i think it was more just listening for his excuse rather than surprise. my producer, wesley brewer, was inside at the time. he said that the jury has been

listening intently to alex murdaugh. he noted when the attorney, jim griffin, asked murdaugh the questions, that the jury looks at him, but then he turns to the jury, answering all the questions, in an attempt to engage the jury. he said, with the exception of one juror, they do appear to be looking at him and intently engaged. he said one woman seemed to have her back to these discussions. and that risk, though, is there, and alex murdaugh has already been proven there you this testimony of many people to be a liar, to be a thief, and to be a cheat. that's something the state has pointed out. whether or not they trust him is another story. >> i've been reporting about this decision that was made for him to take the stand. one of the things we saw in this testimony was quite a lot of

emotion coming from alex murdaugh himself. >> reporter: yeah. >> perhaps an attempt, as you were saying, an attempt to connect with the jury. >> reporter: yeah, we have seen these heaving cries from him, so i think some of us were prepared to see him emote on the stand, but there were moments, especially when he was talking about his relationship with his son, that he broke down and had to gather himself. take a look at this one. >> most of all, i'm sorry to mags and paw paw. i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them. ever. >> and he's talking there, of course, about the lies that he

told after they were killed, abby. as someone following this essentially since maggie and paul murdaugh were killed, i'm interested to see how the state cross-examines murdaugh. his attorneys were quite concerned about bringing all the other charges he is facing, the financial charges, the charges of fraud. the state will be able to ask him about some of them, and the defense is worried will the other allegations and other potential crimes cloud the jurors' viewpoints when alex murdaugh has to answer those questions or chooses not to so he doesn't incriminate him on this stand for the potential charges he faces after this one. >> so much more to be revealed. dianne gallagher, thank you. joining us is bernarda

villanova. you also have been covering this case from the beginning. the very first comments on the stand were frankly pretty jaw dropping, admitting he lied to police, and when he denied he was around those kennels at the time of the murder, what is the strategy here, putting him on the stand to perhaps clear the air? >> abby, he had no choice to admit he had. he had no idea that video exists, and completely implicates him. he could not run from it, especially when you had various witnesses close to his family that identified his voice on the video. and it's a million dollar questions, why did you lie that

you were not tess kennels? that's why i think the main reason why the defense attorney made a calculated decision on put him on the stand. the question would be, was it worth it? in my honest opinion, the reason why he lied, one, it was due to his opiate addition and he was paranoid, but also of his distrust of the sld, when he made that 911 call, when he or two hours ago, the question will be, will that satisfies this jury in determining he lied would you have his distrust of law enforcement, which makes no sense. he comes from a long lineage of solicitors in that county. we'll just have to wait and see.

i'm tying to hear the examination in this case. >> i am pass natted, and that he was paranoid seems like that alone could very easily back fire, as the prosecution will make an argument that he was pressed financially and desperate to do something to get out of the transmissible he made for himself. >> eye specially after the prosecution laid out days of the financial crimes. what did it prove? alex murdaugh is a massive manipulators, a con artist. who 'to say he's not trying to con these 12 jurors in believes i had nothing to do with killing my wife and son and mying of the phones going dead forever so

it's going to be up to the jury. this is a different type of defendant. they have to dern credibility, believability. remember, he's a former attorney, a former lawyer, a person that, yes, now is disb disbarred, but he specializes in civil litigation. the charges he has open. plus, there's just so much you can ask of this man. >> what do you make, though of his demeanor on the stand. there were times when he was breaking down in tears we just

heard from dianne, he was talking directly to the jury. what impact do you believe that has. >> i'm not surprised. he is a former attorney, a civil litigator, and his was making millions doing it, having to deal with trials. he nose the millions of times he told witnesses when you talk that witness stand, look the jury in their eyes. i saw the shake coming and it was planned. as a former prosecutor, and being a defense attorney, having tried hundreds of cases, how you prep your witnesses. say that coming. on the flip side the prosecutor will argue how he was crying when he was looking at you, he was also crying on a 911 call.

he was also crying when he staged a shooting of himself. what do we know about that? despite the cries, it was all a lie. so which is the truth? what should i believe? so there are arguments on both sides. >> a tough job for this jury ahead. prosecutors will get too question him and make their case, that's going to be fascinating ahead for us later this afternoon. bernarda, thank you very much. straight ahead for us, transportation secretary pete buttigieg tours the site of the mangled train disaster. he is calling for more regulation to keep it from happening again. plus, snowed under. a big swath of the country is enduring blizzard conditions now, but for how much longer? for adults with generalized myasthenia graviss

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