parents in florida to find out who should be making decisions about our kids' curriculum and why teaching black history is so fraught. but we to start with the definition. what does woke even mean? here now, our pulse of the people. >> for me it just means being conscious of the racial prejudice and discrimination that's within our society. and just being aware, you know, that there are a set of people who are oppressed and suffer from injustices. >> to me woke means that you were asleep and then all of a sudden you wake up to racial gender, social or general life issues and essentially virtue signal publicly how much these issues to you. >> i think it's the term that's been hijacked to be quite honest with you. it's a term that was and is meant to bring awareness to marginalized community and that was to really start

conversations. >> to one side it means being aware of the issues of our injustices in the society, being aware of the struggles that other people have and working to correct them. to the other side it's a per yore tiff. it means whatever it has to. last week it meant woke. >> when we're talking about canceling math classes, canceling honor classes in the name of equality -- >> nobody is canceling math. >> there's schools in oregon and california that you can look it up yourself. >> the problem is we hear these phrases. we hear these terms about, oh, well, the s.a.t.s acanceled. realize when you dig down to it, none of it is happening. it sounds terrible. nobody is canceling these things. these things are simply being re-evaluated as they should because our kids deserve the best. >> this month governor desantis canceled the proposed ap course on african american studies.

as we understand it, there were specific topics that governor desantis did not want covered, black queer study, black lives matter, black feminism and reparations. >> what difference is blm from the, you know, 1 million march or from the march that led on selma? it's all history. it's a part of our history, so it needs to be taught. you know, the reason why they don't want to have this taught is because it makes people feel uncomfortable. >> the kids can handle it. i promise you. they're going to be all right. it's uncomfortable but we need to be having these hard conversations. >> look, you have one semester, you have one semester to learn about this huge history, one semester so you have to prioritize what's most important. blm didn't make it because blm is not history yet. absolutely 50 years from now, 40 years from now, blm is going to be in the ap textbook. it will be there. >> history books, it's been 40 years. >> hold on.

i think he's saying it's recent history so you have to make choices. >> exactly. it's recent. >> drop that in your current event class. when you get to college you can take an elective on a class that deals with that subject matter. but in a ten-week course there's only so much you can pack in there so you have to prioritize. >> who is to say that black -- blm isn't history. it's current history and in ap classes especially a class currently being written and constructed. >> what is current history? >> here's the thing. i understand what she's saying. you have got to pick only so much to go into these courses. but why are we not listening to the history whose it is. the black community saying these are the things that matter to them. black lives matter is the most important foundational movement for black liberation in the last 50 years. since the civil rights movement. and you're telling me it shouldn't be in history books.

>> i did not learn anything about my history, american history, black history and african american history until i went to college. do you realize only 40% of black youth actually make it to college so therefore, so 50% of our youth are never going to learn about our history. >> is it parents, local school boards, the governor, is it the national department of education? who should be the arbiter of all of this stuff? so let me see, show of hands who thinks teachers are the ones that should make decisions about curriculum? okay. only -- okay. >> i think that's a hard conversation or question do i ask. do i think teachers should have a heavy hand in guiding the curriculum. absolutely. should they be the sole arbiters of deciding, absolutely not. >> teachers should play a role.

everybody agrees with that. hold on. how about parents? what role should parents play? >> advisers. should be advising the curriculum. we should be providing our input to the school body which in most cases is a county school board, allowing them to hear that and make those decision. >> i've seen school board meetings devolve as we all have into screaming matches so, cris, how does a parent do that, you know, to their local school board and get any kind of real meaningful curriculum? >> it's actually really simple. you email the folks in charge and you ask them, how do i help make meaningful change? because in my county, going and yelling to the school board is a complete waste of time. but at the end of the day those committees need to be made up of a combination of teachers. parents, subject matter experts, community members. it is a different organism when you're dealing with a statewide department of education that is

mandating down all of these different requirement. >> this is a huge attack on public education and we need to -- and it's detracting and deterring from literacy and equity gaps and real issues that we do need to focus on. >> you were a schoolteacher, right? >> yeah. and i quite frankly think there need to be national standards. i do. you go from one state to another and the standards of education are incredibly different and i really think that if there were national standards surrounding history, national standards surrounding english and surrounding math, it's easier. >> show of hands, how many people want a national standard for curriculum? okay. so five of you, not -- >> everyone should know what the constitution, declaration of independence says but here's the problem. a good percentage of people in california who go to public

school can't read at grade level or do math well enough to make change if the computers go down at mcdonald's. that is a travesty. >> i agree. i want to just say that's the problem. this is the problem in/nutshell. we're fighting over how to teach things like queer history, black history, we're being told that math is racist and the reality is, kids can't read. they can't do math. those issues are not being taken care of and a lot of that has to do with the defunding of public education. >> i grew up in this. okay, i know what it feels like to not be heard or seen unless it's -- in bondage or in like -- it's such a muted history that i have learned through the years. we are already behind the bar of everyone else. so we do struggle more and then so like we can address the reading issues, we can address

the math issues but are we also going to address the racial issues with it, because you can still leave us behind if you're not talking about the disparities within the education. it's all intertwined. >> okay. so our panel is here next to respond to everything that think just heard as well as what senator tim scott had to say about some of these issues today. that's next.

all right, you just heard from our voter panel on why teaching black history is so controversial and if the war on woke is a winning strategy in 2024. back with me now to discuss we have dan harris, jessica washington, lauren leader and margaret hoover. dan, i was interested to see in the notes you say you pay a lot of attention to woke. why? >> i pay attention to people fighting. it's interesting to me how the human mall interacts. i'm always interested in that and what i took away from that panel was great to see americans disagreeing agreeably. they were talking to each other without mincing words but without attacks, without attacks. that is what we need more of in

this country. >> one thing i found fascinating about the panel they all were quite clear on how parents should have a hand in curriculum and teachers should have a hand in curriculum and you'll see tomorrow when we have part two, i asked them to raise their hand for how many thought that the governor of the state should dictate curriculum. none of them did. even the people who agree with ron desantis' position doesn't think the governor should unilaterally be making decisions like that. >> they all agree there should be national standards or some common standards everybody agrees to but agree they need to be crowd sourced locally and has to be a combination between parents and teachers and administrators and school boards and this is how the secret sauce and the messy formula for representative democracy and i totally agree with you. civil discourse is a civic responsibility. and what they are doing right there, thanks to your sort of guidance, alisyn, was the messy work of democracy. >> americans are closer together on a whole lot of issues that

have become politically polarized. there's clearly a vocal minority of americans who are fired up and angry that their kids are being pushed to study subjects that are uncomfortable to them and there has been this undercurrent for the last few years of just rejection of anything that is about diversity and inclusion. this -- a lot has been pushed by fox news over the past few years, anything affirmatively trying to right the wrongs of the past or create a more equitiable level playing field is racist against white people. it is fundamentally wrong but the ultimately most americans and all the polls show this, most americans embrace diversity and understand it's part of what -- >> some think woke has gone too far. >> that's a different question, though, than whether or not kids should be learning some core and fundamental facts about our country and i'll just say personally, the most rewards as a white woman, the most rewarding and meaningful educational experiences of my life were the most uncomfortable ones i was forced to have about race in high school because i was lucky enough to go to a

school that pushed us to really think about race and gender issues and it changed the course of my life. i now have plaque children. i feel completely different than i think i would have in another time -- if i hadn't had those opportunities i'll never understand it fully. i'll never understand it fully but they were the most formative conversations of my life to this day that i had at 16. >> jessica? >> i think having those uncomfortable conversations, they have to happen because we can't dig our head in the sand. unfortunately, racism is very real. inequality is very real. all these attacks against lgbtq folks, these are all very real things. if we're not willing to have those conversations we cannot -- anti-semitism as well, we cannot move forward and have to have them and people can't be scared they'll feel bad. i think that's what has to happen and that's part of why it can't just be completely left open to parents because i think parent also have this instinct i

have to protect my kid from feeling bad and sometimes you are going to do the wrong thing and it is okay and we have to teach children that it is okay to do and say the wrong thing and engage in these conversations so that they can become good members of society. >> what happens when we have parents or political leaders who are holocaust deniers? what happens when they get on school boards? >> does it become acceptable for them to say i don't believe in the holocaust? i don't want my kids to learn about it. there's got to be a line which says, you know, the politicization of education is a no win. it's a no win for families and for kids. >> all of this is true and yet you can still say how do we teach an inclusive history of our past, all the things that the ap standard includes is the history of slavery and redlining

and the history of the civil rights movement. at what age is it appropriate to teach black queer theory? that's what we should be able to talk about. casting a group of people who are maybe newer to these topics or genuinely think maybe that shouldn't be the priority in the thrust of these black studies. these can be real questions that can be debated without casting people as being uncomfortable with lgbtq studies. >> but i think it is -- we are talking about people feeling uncomfortable with these things. queer history is a part of black history. you can't say the contributions of black people to america was inconsequential. we're not just talking about history but african american studies. the idea is to connect what has happened in the past to modern current events. that's what it always was intended to be. so i think you can't just say queer history is over here. black history is over here.

they're interconnected in the same way you couldn't say black women's history should be its own separate subject. >> i want to talk about what senator tim scott said, as you all know, eyeing a presidential run and he was saying that all this woke stuff and progressive stuff, i mean i'm paraphrasing and using shorthand, it actually -- well i'll read it. these people who call themselves progressive are attacking every rung of the ladder. i was the teenager whose spirit would have been crushed by a culture with racial strife and said our founders were geniuses and celebrate them, not cancel them. we are a land of opportunity, not oppression. it's interesting to hear him -- obviously everybody has a different take on what -- but everybody has their own trach on what motivated them. what was the engine of their driver and it sounds like he was able to navigate through clearly a challenging upbringing. >> i understand when you have come out of the other end of something like that and you can

say, i did this on my own. that feels great. it feels great but i cover inequality for a living and this is not a problem of people who just didn't believe in the american dream. this is not a problem of people who just didn't believe in themselves. these are factors like redlining and all these other -- systemic inequalities, it's not just i didn't believe in the american dream so therefore i'm living in poverty. >> intergenerational trauma. there are a lot of factors that play into this. i think one of the things interesting to me is we were talking about being comfortable with discomfort. it feels like there is an uncomfortable paradox that i think most americans can live with but seems like people on the fringes can't which is that this is a great country. our founders did incredible things and they did unspeakably horrible things too and have a painful history. both things can be true at the same time and feels like most people can wrap their heads around it but people on the edges of the debate are weapon nicing it. >> i also think jessica is right. when it comes to your children,

you don't want them to feel guilty. so if there's some uncomfortable conversation that's happening, that if they're being made to feel guilty or accidentally feel guilty, a by-product of this, then suddenly parents want to shield them. >> you're delaying the inevitable because life is uncomfortable. >> yeah, i mean and that is exactly right, the weaponization of these topics and back to tim scott, i mean, look, this has become a core part of the republican talking points since trump, this overrotation on -- he really weapon niced white grievance and it's become the core of so much of what, you know, a lot of the sort of core republican philosophy is all these culture war issues as opposed to really looking for the economy which they constantly criticize the biden administration for but then the main talking point again and again and again becomes about this question, these culture war issues. i think it's a mistake. tim scott is entitled for sure to have -- he's an extraordinary person that accomplished amazing

things but for this to be the central conversation tells you something about where we'll be for the rest of this presidential cycle when there's other much more important issues. >> i respectfully disagree. i think tim scott, of course, i mean i think we agree he has this extraordinary personal story and this personal narrative but he also wants to tell a fundamentally what he views as an american story which is that while we have grave sins in the past of this country it does not need to define us and we don't need to be confined by it and he is doing the sort of political judo move by saying, i haven't been. look at my experience and i want to be a beacon and -- an optimistic and hopeful not completely disconnected set of experiences. >> you also think he's seizing on the culture wars? they're easy, they hit people viscerally, people respond. -- >> i see him going for the

cheap shots. i don't see him doing the desantis thing. tim scott is not into, he's speaking from his own personal experience. this is completely consistent with everything he said, since he's been in public life for the last decade, 13 years. >> analysts, thank you. for all those perspectives. we'll be right back. no it isn't. yes it is. and that's just a bit of psychology julian learned from noom weight. signgn up now at noom.com you might wonder, "john legend, how do you keep your voice sounding so legendary?" ♪ honey! and how do i keep my protection against covid-19 up to date? with an updated booster designed to help protect against recent omicron variants.

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rodgers just emerged from a darkness retreat, the green bay packers quarterback spent several days and nights in total darkness. at a facility in ashland, oregon. before going, rogers said sitting in darkness for a few days would help him find inner peace of mind and figure out if he'd continue playing football or retire. we're back with the panel, then, i feel like a darkness retreat is something you've done. >> i have not done it. i happen to have had a phone call the other day, a zoom call, with a teacher who believes these darkest retreats. it was trying to convince me to do it, seven days of complete darkness. this guy had done seven weeks, i believe. and what happens on these retreats, the brain starts to release the empty, which is the active ingredient in iowa saka which is a increasingly popular psychedelic. you have these hallucinations. -- >> you have natural dmt in your brain. >> this is my understanding. >> your friend told you. >> you start hallucinating? >> yes. in the point of the practice is

to see if you can maintain your ecuador muddy in the midst of whatever the mind coughs up in these extreme circumstances. which when you then return to the world, would help you with whatever moments where you're ambushed by anger or desire to eat a sleeve of oreos or whatever it is. the point is, if you can deal with your mind in these extreme circumstances, you can be better in real life. >> is attempting to you? >> very tempting. a probably do it. >> seven days of darkness? >> yes. >> why not just take iowa's good? >> i'll probably do that too. >> didn't aaron rodgers also take iowa? i had a meditation practice for almost 30 years, i'm a deep believer in people doing inner work. this one it makes me very nervous when high-profile public figures start putting out there when they're doing things that are potentially dangerous. and unproven. >> is it dangerous? >> i don't know. i don't like solitary confinement. >> this is an ancient practice.

i don't know anything about the people who've guided him, but if you've got proper supervision, actually, i think this can be a healthy practice. and you can leave it anytime. you're not like solitary confinement, which i've also done for a story, i was in solitary confinement. >> how long? >> for 72 hours i believe. >> not fun. >> if you have the ability to leave, i think that is a big differentiator. just to say again, an ancient practice. it's not like these guys are making it up. it really comes down to the quality of the guidance of teaching while you're doing it. >> all right, i wish we could talk about this all night. i have more questions. we can't. we have to move on. >> i have to try. >> he's a man with a strong conservative pedigree, former governor of montana. former chair of the republican national committee. the gop in his state has booted him out of the party. we'll tell you why, next.

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my next guest has an unimpeachable conservative resume. serving two terms as the republican governor of montana. former chairman of the republican national committee. and serving as chair of president george w. bush's 2004 reelection campaign. so, it was notable when, in 2016, he said that americans can do better than donald trump. when in 2020, he endorsed joe biden. writing, quote, the content of a man's character or a woman's character to serve in that capacity, is more important than any other issue that i have to consider as a matter of conscience. now, his state gop is rebuking him and saying, quote, he is not considered by the montana

gop to be a republican. he cannot claim, with any authority, to speak on behalf of montana republicans. in his recognize that he took action to damage, undercut, and defeat the efforts of the elected officials of the montana giossi and the republican party in general, and disqualifies himself by these actions from being considered a republican. here now with me to respond's former governor mark roscoe governor great to see you. are you surprised that you have been ex communicated from the state republican party? >> well, i don't know if i'm surprised. maybe a little bit sad that things have come to this point. in times in the past, i was often, or not often, but now and again, i tended to try to focus on the issues as they were to, as a matter of principle, the values that i

had when i was in office a try to do the right things as you're supposed to do. and make certain that i was loyal to us first to my country and then to my state. then to my party. and if those things all happily coincided, that was wonderful. but there were occasions where it did not. and i felt like i had to follow what i perceived to be the right thing to do as a matter of principle. so, i didn't expect it, but i'm not surprised. >> doing the right thing, according to your principles, that will never work, governor. what were you thinking? >> i'm sorry i couldn't hear your question, is a little garbled. >> there wasn't a question, i'm just so astonished to talk to you, so it feels i guess not in vogue right now to stand on ones principles. so often we speak to politicians who do anything for political expediency or principles one day and then a

month later, they say something completely different. or we hear them lying. what you're saying is so honorable, yet, you've been punished for it. do you still consider yourself a republican? >> alison, i have to tell you this. i guess we would have this conversation with you but i can't understand the audio is just not serving we will. i only hear about every second or third word. >> okay, can you hear me now? testing? can you hear me now if i speak like this? is it still garbled? >> i think i heard what you said, you have to correct me if i misheard. because i missed several word as if you talk to. the bottom line is this, the country is feeling substantial tension. at least the citizens i talk to, i've been all over the state of montana and around the country, there's a great deal of concern

about whether or not we're falling apart as a democracy. as a nation. and a lot of that has to do with the extremism of the republican party. in the service of donald trump, he was a devastatingly i think impactful in a negative way on the united states of america. our constitution in our way of life. i knew i was disappointing some people because i would not support him. i would not support candidates that were supported by him. i felt he was not much of a danger to the united states. i think that sentiment is spreading across the country, i think you can see it measured in polls and those who are willing to contribute, and those who have an interest. i'm not certain that donald trump has an interest in his own campaign. at least not the kind that i was a witness to in the past. >> governor, thank you very much. i'm sorry for the audio issues, it is great --

>> i will no doubt this conversation. >> we will, will have many more conversations as well. you're a delight to talk to. thank you so much for your time, we'll fix the audio issues. >> you are good sport. thank you. >> you too. here with me in the studio is dan harris, host of the 10% happier podcast, also republican strategist joe pinion, -- founder and ceo of all in together, and cnn legal analyst, joey jackson. what a lovely man, so patient right there. joe, can you believe that? he was following his principles, that's what he was doing. have you heard of such a thing from a politician? >> look, one, he's no longer politician. i think most americans follow their principles when they go into that voting booth. i think we have to find a way to be more accepting and understanding of those who disagree with us politically. i'll just remind people, again, each state has their own party, they have their own democratic party, they have their own republican party. there is a national party, so, decisions of the montana gop

are not necessarily representative of every other state gop of the national gop as well. >> yeah, but the state republican party is not being tolerant of his principles? >> look, if we're going to call ourselves the big tent party, we should be welcoming to all individuals who are going to say that they want to uphold our values. i do think it is the prerogative of the party to simply state, this is a person that is not speaking for us. i don't think you can leader legally cast people out of a party, any party, i think that is a bit too far. i think that's where it strains credulity and undermined the public discourse as required for us to have the more perfect union i think all of us seek. >> what did you hear there, dan? >> this is not a new observation, but it's deeply true. we have the structural dysfunction in american politics, where the extreme wings of both parties are super empowered, largely by social media, and then they feed off of one another. and the rest of us are stuck in the middle. i think this is just an exhibit

z in this ongoing process. >> i disagree though. there's actually a very dramatic difference between what's happening on the extreme side of the democratic party and what happened on the extreme side of the republican party. on the democratic party, the squad, which is arguably the most left leaning wing of the party, has never once hijacked legislation, nancy pelosi winter speaker of the house, every major bill shows how to pass, they were never able to hype hijack the party or the agenda because of those four or five votes. they pass the bill they want to pass. on the right, unfortunately, you have the most extremist numbers of people like marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert, who hijacked the speaker process. and you've got a national trend around fealty to donald trump, which is starting to wane. that has been, for the last number of years, the absolute. you look at what happened to liz cheney, what happened to people like rusty bowers and cassidy hutchinson. people who stood up for their principles. for democracy, stood up for their values. and the extent to which they were not only castigated, but threatened and it's a problem,

because both parties should be big tent parties, we can't function as a democracy. >> i just think that, one, i don't think the right-wing has hijacked the speaker fight, the speaker fight was contentious because of the fact that it is one of the slimmest majorities since will work to. only by the last majority with anti pelosi. i think that's probably more a testament to the strength of nancy pelosi that it is to the of cruel waning of any particular party. -- >> but you saw the point vote for him 18 times. >> and marjorie taylor greene leadership position on committees. >> i get. we can't live in this world where all the sudden if one republican, anywhere, says or does anything that the entire party is responsible for it. but of 20% of democrats are in agreement on something that somehow that is not reflective of the actual trajectory of the party. so, i think ultimately when you get back to this conversation, we should be simply talking about how do we have a functioning government, how do we make sure that the will of the people is actually being

realized in the policy, and for my perspective right now, to your point, the policies that americans want to see traction on, the education of our children, the economy that is effectively more -- none of those things actually get priority, because we're stuck here with the culture wars, the infighting, the backbiting. and a circle of -- >> it's bigger than that. >> hold on. we have governor marc racicot parachuting in via phone. you know what, we've just gone old school. back to phone technology. we should work, governor, can you hear us? >> i can, yes, thank you. >> governor, the question our question now is, do you still consider yourself a republican, though you've been cast out of the state party? >> to be honest with you, the journey has revealed to me, i don't think it matters. i think there's a transcendent question here in front of the both parties. i think mine at the moment. and the fact of the matter is, we have to learn how to live by the virtues that are better than the constitution, what

that means is, very simply, everything from good manners to trusting each other respecting each other, believing in the possibilities of the country. recognizing that moderation is required, that compromise is required, that we we don't get everything we want every single day, i don't know any reelection ship, any human relationship, that works that way. and what we have is a bunch of people yelling and screaming at each other, instead of respecting and trusting each other. this is a massive issue across the country. and frankly, i think it's one that can tear the democracy apart, -- the communications are absolutely fierce and ferocious. directed at one another, tearing each other down. we've got to re-find our connections with each other. and that means, in these deliberative bodies, they respect what's going on in the rest of the country, so, these competitions, the screaming and yelling in forcing legislation on the basis of numbers. constantly looking to accumulate power and control.

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made the voice for east palestine. you said what we all want to say. and i'm glad i did, because that's who i'm here with. for east palestine. or a good little town, we love it here. >> i'm so glad that people felt that you are the voice that they needed to speak out for them, because you did it so powerfully, at one point, you are talking to the ceo of norfolk southern, allen shaw, you are just telling him that you this is your home that you've been there forever, you want to retire there. you feel robbed, and some of your fellow panelists yelled out that, norfolk southern should buy your home. . is that what you want. what do you want out of this from them? >> i want to live on with my home and my house and everything. we love east palestine, i say, i've been there forever. i've known all kinds of people, i've coach sports in kids, i've enjoyed the life there. i'd like to be safe. i'm scared.

like we say, we've got issues still that need to be cleared up. and it takes time. i understand it takes time. something has to be done, and like i say, if we don't get the voice out there and people are believe me i've got people calling from canada and everything. they want interviews and things, it's great. but we want work done on this, we want to get it done fast and get it done right. >> yeah, did you connect with norfolk southern today? to the ceo reach out to you? >> no. i heard nothing from nobody from norfolk. i don't know i hit him too hard, i don't know. he was listening. believe me, he heard every word. he might be a great man, i'm not turning him down. i'm just saying, his company is weak there. they have to get some work done, and get it taken care of now. trains are coming through 50 a day now already, three weeks ago. it's crazy. i know that their business, but we have a problem.

and they damaged our area. that damage needs to be undone, it's not a train derailment like i said, it's a disaster. and they've gotta pay for that. get it right. >> jessica, how about you? what you life been like in the past 24 hours, have you connect with norfolk southern again? >> i have made attempts to connect directly with alan shaw, working with a couple different connections. i was unable to make contact, i did actually receive a phone call to get my well tested today, which my phone call after them to get that scheduled was on the 15th. i was really happy that that did happen today, it felt a little bit suspicious since i did speak with him directly on national television, you know, i think it's a step in the right direction. there is a time and a place to call people out. and to make people accountable,

and i think we're at the point in this where there's been such an outpouring of support for what we did yesterday, from our town, from the community, from surrounding communities. he had people reaching out from all over the world yesterday, which was so humbling. i'm just a mom from east palestine and a town where really nothing ever happens there except were safe and family oriented. i think now is the time to unify. we need allen shot in mr. regan and governor dewine and pete buttigieg was there today, we need all of these people on our side. and i will be the biggest advocate if mr. shaw, if you trust us, will trust you. and we will work with you.

i think that's my message today, it's time to unify, and get the work done. >> you're looking for cooperation, i think that's what you even said last night. that's what you're willing to work together. you just need help. there was a moment last night, jessica, where you had this exchange with alan shaw. i want to play it for everybody, i want to see if there's been any movement on that. >> it's the oil that's seeping into our ground that you chose them not to dig up and just put your track right over top of it. she's asking you specifically, what led you to that decision? >> ma'am, we made a lot of progress on remediation. we dug up 4600 cubic yards of soil. and collected 1.7 million gallons of water. we will continue with the environmental remediation.

in early march, we will start by tearing up the tracks and digging up the soil underneath the tracks. >> six weeks, oil's gonna be sinking into our soil. >> until then, we'll just have it keep going down? >> keep it in our soils? >> jessica, then, last night, norfolk southern sent out this tweet, we will now excavate the soil and replace the tracks in response to feedback from the citizens of east palestine, the first rail line will begin immediately with the second line to be replaced directly after. so, that was right as you as the town hall was beginning. so, had he heard you? what's the timing of that happening there? >> you know, i think mr. shaw had every opportunity to bring that up during the town hall, and he chose not to. i do find the timing quite suspicious, here's the thing, i'm ready to move forward. and if that's the plan, and they're willing to do that immediately, let's get it done.

>> jessica, jim, thank you very much for the update. it sounds like there's still a lot we need to learn and you need answered and a lot of work that needs to be done. we will continually check with you to see what progress is being made. thanks so much for your time, for sharing all of this with us. >> thank you alison. thank you for having us. >> next, a 19-year-old accused of going on a killing spree at orlando killing a young reporter and a nine-year-old girl. former orlando police chief, val demings, joins us next.

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shows the moment that florida deputies took down the alleged gunman, suspected of killing three people in orlando. the video shows the suspect struggling, as officers subdue him. eventually pulling a gun out of his pocket. one of the officers notes, the gun is, quote, still hot. the 19-year-old suspect is now in custody. authorities allege that on wednesday morning, the suspect first fatally shot a 38-year-old woman, then returned to the scene of the crime hours later, continuing the shooting spree, he killed a tv reporter and a nine-year-old girl. joining me now is former orlando police chief and former florida congresswoman, val demings. congresswoman, thanks so much for being here. what an awful story. this shooting spree it killed people, it is people who are still critically wounded. in the hospital. do you have any thoughts on how this all unfolded and why? >> well, alison, look, we are still trying to figure out the

why, but this is such a horrible tragedy. for this community. it's such a sad story on so many levels, five people shot. three of them dead. as you've indicated, a nine year old child, a news reporter. i served as the public information officer at the police department for a while. i had a lot of opportunity to work very closely with the media, a 19-year-old in possession of a gun. who has a very expensive criminal history. this story investigation is still unfolding. we are desperately, i know the detectives and the sheriff's desperately, in this community, trying to find out why this happened. >> congresswoman, can we just zero in on that party you just mentioned. he was 19 years old, he had an extensive rap sheet, as you've just said. for things like aggravated battery. assault with a deadly weapon. gun violations. grand theft. how is he not in prison? >> the question is, why is he

not in prison and how can he be in possession of a gun? the prevalence of guns in the wrong hands leads to shooting sprees like this almost on a daily basis now in this country. and while we were pleased with the safer communities act that was passed in congress, there had been 30 years before we'd passed any legislation, we know there's still much more work to be done. we've got to have federal legislation that can hopefully help to prevent mass shooting after mass shooting after mass shooting. from happening. >> let's talk about the state of being a police officer right now, and what governor ron desantis is doing to seize on it sounds like mo low morale and disenchantment by some police officers. he has traveled to typically

blue states, he went to illinois, he went to new york. then he went to philadelphia. and he made this pitch to police officers there to come to florida. here it is. >> we created a program that, if you come from out of state, and one of these agencies, and you go any agency in florida, city, county state, you get a 5000 dollar signing bonus right off the top. my message is, if you're disenchanted, if you don't think things are gonna turn around, wherever you are, not just in new york wherever, just know that there is a state that's doing it right. there's a state that will value your service. >> what do you think of that pitch, congresswoman? >> alison, it's really pretty said. i know governor desantis wants to run, i think he's running for president, but what he's demonstrated is, he believes that any group can be bought and sold, and let's just think

about this now, he is asking out of state law enforcement officers to leave the communities that they love, yeah it's a tough job, i know it's a tough job. he's asking them to lead the communities that they love, the communities that they protect and serve every day. to uproot their families to leave their extended families, maybe the places where they grew up and come to florida. for $5,000. it just demonstrates to me that he really doesn't know much at all about law enforcement officers. the overwhelming majority are good, decent people, who risked their lives every day to serve their communities. to suggest that they would give up their home states, the states where they're serving, for $5,000 to move to florida because he's promising them something as a presidential candidate is really pretty sad. it's almost insulting. >> is what he saying partially

true, they are disenchanted. i'm just looking at the distance statistics, here in terms of u.s. police departments around the country, retirements are up 40% in the past two years. resignations up 30%. in new york, the new york police department with about 34,000 officers, has seen more resignations this year than any time in the past two decades. isn't he fastening on something that's true in terms of police officers wanting out? >> the only thing he is talking about is low morale. and the disenchanted. there are a lot of reasons why police officers retire, look, i spent 27 years they're served as the chief of police. many of them have served their time, and it is time for them to retire. many of them are injured on the job, and need to retire. to suggest that the overwhelming reason why police officers, the men and women who wear that badge and are dedicated to protecting and

serving their communities, to suggest that the only reason their retiring is because they're all frustrated and disenchanted, and the only thing that matters to them is a 5000 dollar signing bonus, i think is really underestimating the dedication and commitment that the men and women in blue have for the job. >> congresswoman val dent mings, we appreciate your time tonight. thanks so much for talking. >> thank you. >> okay, back with me now we have dan harris, joe pinion, laura -- and joey jackson. joey, you and i were just talking about how, now that orlando case, 19 years old, with a long rap sheet, not in prison. i mean, this is so tragic, this case in particular, because this violence cuts across every element of life, a mama shot, a nine year old shot, a young, budding journalist who just got engaged a shot. it ruining lives across the board, and he's 19 years old with a long.

referee >> with an extensive record. had when you're 19 years old. it's a larger problem than that. we can talk about this community, we can talk about so many other communities throughout the country that are experiencing horrific gun violence. and you ask yourself, what is it going to take. i thought about this, alison, is it legislation? can we legislate morality? can we legislate proper conduct? can we legislate humanity? can we legislate people behaving like human beings and respecting one another? i just don't know. it starts in so many places. it starts at homes. it starts around kitchen tables. it starts around schools, starts with mothers and fathers. it starts with, yes, respecting the right to freedom to bear arms, but with that comes certain responsibilities. when it's not exercise properly, we get these mass shootings very said. >> i didn't grow up with active shooter drills. i didn't grow up with daily mass shootings. as part of my life. i'm not that old. this is directly tied to the

continual rollback of gun legislation, which worked, in the 70s, 80s, 90s into the assault weapons ban which ultimately repealed. there's a direct correlation in the only nation in the world who has such permissive gun laws and also the only nation in the world that experiences these kinds of multiple times a day mass shootings. americans i've had it. americans agree on this 80 plus percent of americans. want to see common sense gun control. >> i want to get to another story that is connected to guns, i think that so many people are frustrated and don't know what to do, including the superintendent in the small town in texas, it's outside of abilene, after uvalde, the superintendent in principle decided to arm themselves, they did want to be that the mercy of some crazed, unhinged young man who comes in. so they carry guns now. they took it upon themselves, they decided to do that. and the superintendent, who is apparently beloved in the community, left his gone in a

school bathroom for 15 minutes, and a third grader stumbled upon it and found it, and thank god nothing tragic happened, the third grader went to the office, reported it. obviously, it could've gone badly. this superintendent was trying to protect the kids. >> look, first and foremost, we're grateful that that child is okay. it just means that we have to have a greater level of vigilance. to joey's point, we're talking about in some ways to different issues. on one hand, we're talking about what is the response that we should be having with this acceleration of mass shootings with his acceleration of violence in our communities. the other part again getting to the core issue of the fact that criminality is run amok. yes, we have a problem with guns, we have a problem with illegal guns. not just guns in general. so, i think we're not having the very focused conversation about what we do about the scourge of illegal guns, what do we do about making sure that we have 21st century best practices to protect our children, because all remind people, they are our best

practices for the children of power. if your child of a president, if your child of a diplomat, they come in the middle of the night, they change the windows. they change the doors. and they put an armed guard there who dresses up like a janitor. i just think, again, -- >> what does that mean for the rest of everybody? >> what it means, we should be asking the question, why are we not having the same standard for everybody else's children? >> we're supposed to live in an armored house now because americans treasure their guns more than the safety of of the children? >> i did say that your home, of talk about schools. again, it's an infrastructure problem as well. i'm from yonkers, new york. we are close to a billion dollars behind on school renovations. the average school building in my home town is seven years old. it is not equipped to deal with the modern-day threats to those children's everyday liberties. i just think, on some basic level, yes, we have to deal with the fact that we have those illegal guns. we have to deal with the fact that we have these communities. >> i wanna get denim. >> i just want to go back to the point you made earlier, about the pain and paid those here of the story.

there is so much pain to go around here. in particular, i'm thinking tonight about our fellow journalists, journalists are not the most popular people in our culture, let's just be open about that. and yet, especially at a local level, or risking their lives all the time to tell stories that matter in their community. this is what happens. journalists have been under siege increasingly, not only here, but around the world. and that's an important story. >> absolutely. more journalists killed in the past year than in recent years, and he was 24 years old. just getting his start being a reporter. thank you very much, now to this. when russia launched its war in ukraine, one year ago today, when ukrainian couple moved up their wedding date. they got married that very day. then join to the fight to save their country. and we're gonna talk to them, next. we're reinventing our network. ♪

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vladimir putin launched his war on ukraine when you're go today, here is the moment that cnn's team in kyiv first heard the sounds of projectiles flying overhead as they rushed to put on protective gear, and that is when they knew that the war had begun. >> i think it is relatively safe at the moment. i've got a flat jacket right here. let me just get it on. i'm being told by our security that we need to get out, that we need to get our flat jackets on, which we are doing. >> when ukrainian couple, the beginning of the war prompted them to get married. so, on the day the war started

they tied the knot. right after the wedding, that same day, they signed up to volunteer ruth local territorial defense force. -- they join me now. guys, thank you so much for being here. happy anniversary. >> thank you. it's not the kind of anniversary we would celebrate, but it is very strange that the years past and it just felt so long and so quick at the same time. >> when you look at the pictures that we just showed of your wedding day, you are in, what do you see, what do you think when you see that picture? >> i feel that kind of fear and not understanding what will be, what we are going to expect. what will be to our land or our country in a few days, i was afraid kind of. but still we were going to protect our country and there

is no question for us to go to the defense after the wedding. so, we have made a decision to marry, like in one hour because we decided we could do it and when the war started it was the only way to do it, because war can separate people. it can make them stick together. so i didn't want to lose my husband because the war, because of all the things that we had to go through this year. but still, yes. the year has passed. >> so what does this year been like for both of you? >> at the beginning, it was really hard because we were in the defense. my husband was going to be a -- and it was really hard for me

psychologically because i did not know what to expect. i couldn't hear from, him i couldn't call him, and every minute i was afraid that maybe he could get injured or die and that is really terrified me a lot. but then it became a little easier psychologically and we were at the defense for one month and maybe one week, i think. just before we left, before the moment the russians left the key region. >> after. >> then we have been volunteering, we have been bringing humanitarian aid to people in the kyiv region, of the occupied territories who are still volunteering and using -- i would say that we're collecting donations, because our car was broken so we could

bring humanitarian help and also help the aid of soldiers, again. it will be very helpful because it is very important for people to remember for ukraine, to remember about this war how important this war is, because this is between democratic worlds and to tally therrien worlds. you know, we have got to win this war because we have no other options. the other option is just russia moving further and further, bringing destruction and all the terrors, death and horror of it. >> you too have certainly sacrificed a lot and sacrificed your, the first year of your marriage, obviously it was not supposed to be spent like this, but you have done this for your country and it is really

honorable and we are glad that you are together and not apart and that you got married, so congratulations on your anniversary, it's great to see you both and we will check in with you again soon. >> thank you. >> thank you. interestingly, when president biden just went to kyiv he went to the church where they got married and there is video of him visiting that church where exactly a year ago these two got married. i hope that we can pull that up. can you imagine being a young person and deciding on the day that you get married they are also going to sign up to volunteer to fight? >> the first year marriage is always hard, but this is unimaginable what they're having to put themselves true through. i get disappointed with myself, honestly for finding that i am not as drawn to these headlines about the war as i was a virgo and it does say something about

human nature, in some ways. the stakes could not be higher, nuclear armageddon is on the line and yet i find myself scrolling back and buy some of these stories. it reminds me of something that a young bronco bomber said, about hurricane carina and our lack of attention towards it. he said that america goes from shock to trans then faster than any nation on earth. >> that's what's so powerful about biden go into kyiv as a way to turn the eyes back an only way the american president can. it was demonstration american resolve and force americans to face what is a critical -- >> yet if you look at screenshots of the front page on the website of local news from around the country, it was not on there. so that tells you something about where our attentions are. you have to really give a lot to the ukrainian people, what they have gone through. the resilience, their ability to fight back and to really protect what is so near and

dear to them. so i think, even with biden going there it means an awful lot. >> every single time we talk to these ukrainians it is inspirational, what they've lived through. we will be right back.

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