beginning of the war, it really became the front line, and even now coming back here, you're just starting to see little hints of life reemerging. >> one resident told me this was her first time back since the bombings. months later, she is still haunted by the violence. [ speaking non-english ] >> don't miss the will to win on sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. thank you all so much for being here.

"ac 360" starts now. fwgood evening, we begin wi the alex murdaugh double trial and his attempt to convince the jury that being a serial liar and being at the scene disease not make him a killer. having admitted yesterday on the witness stand to telling a string of lies, most significantly about being at the scene of the crime near the time it happened, he spent another day today under tough questioning. >> alex, it you murder maggie? >> i would never hurt maggie. >> did you murder paul? >> i would never hurt paul. >> court adjourned late today capping a stunning week by any measure. cnn's randi kaye joins us with the latest. it like in court today? >> reporter: well, anderson, this was first time we got to see the prosecutor question alex murdaugh about the night of the murder. he presed him on the details. he asked him what time he got to the kennels, how long he was

there, what he talked about with his wife and son. he asked him these questions repeatedly, presumably to try and trip him up. he kept coming back to the same theme, don't believe what alex murdaugh is telling you. here's how it played out in court. >> i have lied well over a decade. >> reporter: lies, that's what lead prosecutor creighton waters was trying to expose with alex murdaugh on the stand. >> i told a lay about being down there and i got myself wed to that. >> reporter: for hours waters tried to box murdaugh into a corner using cell phone data and time line evidence from the night of the murders. >> i'm still not absolutely certain exactly how they ended up at the kennel. >> reporter: murdaugh told the jury he drove his golf cart to meet his wife maggie and son paul at the kennels. he says that was just before paul murdaugh recorded this kennel video. murdaugh can be heard talking in the background. >> it certainly could have been

8:47 before i left out of there. >> reporter: murdaugh estimated t it's about a two of had minute drive on the golf course from the kennel and the main house, which would pult put him there at 8:49 p.m., the very time maggie and paul's phone ceased all activity, suggesting they were ted. once back at the house. keep in mind, murdaugh's phone showed no activity from 8:09 to 9:02. he says he left it at the main house when he went down to the kennels. >> you would agree with me from 9:02 to 9:06 your phone finally comes to life and starts showing a lot of steps? that's far more steps in a shorter time period than any time prior as you've seen from the testimony in this case. what were you so busy doing? going to the bathroom? >> no, i don't think i went to the bathroom. >> get on a treadmill. >> no, i didn't get on a tr trea treadmill. >> jog in place? >> no, i wasn't jogging in

place. what i wasn'ting it is doing anything as i believe you've implied that i was cleaning off or washing off or washing off guns, putting guns in a raincoat, i can promise you i wasn't doing any of that. >> reporter: along with all the steps murdaugh took, data presented in court shows he made a flurry of phone calls. >> finally having your phone in your hand moving around and making all these phone calls to manufacture an alibi, is that not true? >> absolutely incorrect. >> reporter: meanwhile, murdaugh's attempt to show he'd been trying to cooperate with investigators back fired. >> other than lying to them about going to the every aspec this investigation. >> maybe the most important fact of all that you were at the murder scene with the victims just minutes before they died. >> reporter: the prosecutor did his best to prove to the jury no one other than alex murdaugh

could have killed his wife and son. >> ha you're telling this jury is it's a random vigilante that just happened to know that paul and maggie were both at moselle, and knew that you would not be there but only between the times of 8:49 and 9:02. >> you've got a lot of factors in there, mr. waters, all of which i do not agree with, but some of which i do. >> i mean, that last bit from the prosecutor seemed quite effective sort of laying out all the things essentially that alex murdaugh is claiming about other people that would have had to have happened if other people had been involved in the killing of his wife and son. >> reporter: absolutely, and something else more effective is when the prosecutor asked him today about the behavior of the dogs at the kennels. there were several of the family's dogs there. were they barking? were they acting strangely, acting if they could sense someone else might be there? and alex murdaugh said, no, they weren't doing any of that.

there was nobody else there. there was no one else there for those dogs to sense. these are hunting dogs. we know how dogs, how their noses work. he was basically telling the prosecutor i was the only one there with my family. >> randi kaye, appreciate it, thank you. here to break down the day and the week university of law professor and former federal pros prosecutor. just such a fascinating end of his testimony so far. what did you make of what he said to -- how did he do, do you think? >> i thought there were some points he made that were helpful to him. i thought he was fairly persuasive talking about how much he loved is his wife and son. that's one of the biggest sticking points for the prosecution in this trial. would he do this? despite all the other crimes he's admitted to, whenever he talked about loving them. i thought that was fairly effective. at the very end, he was facing charges for the fraud crimes that he had just admitted to. what that allows the jury to

talk about in the jury room if they so wish, look, if we don't convict him of murder, he's probably going to be convicted of all these financial crimes, so he'll be held accountable in some way. >> so you think it might make the jury feel like, well, okay maybe there's reasonable doubt, and we don't feel so bad about not convicting him because he's going to serve time for financial crimes. >> it's possible if there's one juror with reasonable tout. >> we heard about the prosecution pushing murdaugh on the time line from that night. how did you think the prosecutor actually did today? >> i think that he was effective at times. you know, it's kind of misleading when people watch the clips that you played, you'd say, wow , he did a great job. between all those great moments was fat, like a fatty steak. i like a lean fillet met mignon i do a cross examination. you hit the high points, you get in and you get out. i think that murdaugh is now

smiling. he's happier than five devguys a ski trip. he knows while the prosecutor approached his jugular, he never squeezed it and he never made it clear for the jurors 100% that this guy is void of credibility. >> it is still circumstantial the case, is it not? >> it's an entirely circumstantial case which is a big problem for the prosecution, but i do think that the prosecutor was very effective on narrowing the time line and showing just how implausible an alternative theory is. >> when he ticks off all the things that would have had to happen it doesn't make sense. >> it's a very narrow time frame now that the defendant has admitted that was him at the kennels. he talked about the dogs not barking, which reminds me of a famous sherlock holmes story, the dog that didn't bark. the notion also that somebody would have shown up in skpaktly the right window when murdaugh would have left. >> and unarmed. >> knowing that there was going

to be guns available. when you put all that together and driven out the way he did and left the wife's phone on that route. it does seem really implausible, on the other hand, right, is there possible reasonable doubt there given that it's a circumstantial case. that's what was going to come down. >> do you think the idea of just because somebody -- i mean, the fact that he has lied so repeatedly and soesk effectivel for decades, he said he wouldn't do anything to hurt his wife and son, he's been a drug addict around his wife and son in the home hiding pills and doing things which hurt them. they knew about this. >> yeah, lying is part of addiction, and hopefully the prosecutors drive that home that this guy becomes really good at it. understand he convinced numerous agents on the scene i wasn't there. i was not there. i've got an alibi. he didn't know that his voice was on that video, and all of a

sudden when it was played in court and then they identified him as the guy there in the house, he's like, okay, okay, all right. you got me. all right, i was at the scene, but i'm a drug addict and i'm super paranoid. if that's not driven home by these prosecutors, then they're missing a huge opportunity. clearly he is showing consciousness of guilt. that's why he said what he said. >> jessica, one of the things he was saying is he believes the killing was linked to this boating accident that his son had in which his son was likely drunk, likely driving the boat and a person was killed, one of his son's friends was killed. do you think that seems plausible to people? >> i don't know how it's sitting with the jury. >> he claimed there were vile social media posts. >> there's been no evidence offered about any threats outside of the social media context toward paul or toward anybody in the family.

and so the leap from somebody posting something hateful on social media to showing up in this narrow window with all of these sort of implausible factors sort of going their way to do a double homicide, not only of paul but of his mother. that seems like a very big leap for the jury to make with no evidence that would provide the connections. >> mark, you say putting the defendant on the stand is an act of desperation. ultimately do you think it was the right call today? >> in this particular case, it was. i've been practicing for 30 years in spite of my extraordinarily youthful peerngs,pee appearance, and i've put on maybe two or three defendants. i can't put them on. i can't control what they're going to say. but he had to do it. he had to explain, my goodness, that's my voice on that video. it puts me at the scene. there's too many things that he had to explain, and ultimately i

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powered by innovation refunds. . we've been talking tonight about alex murdaugh's stunning time on the witness stand in his double murder trial, maintaining his innocence in the slaughter of his wife maggie and son paul. >> i can promise you myself beft one of myself before i would hu one of them, without a doubt. >> joining us to talk about mr. murdaugh's performance on the stand, mary ellen o'tool. mary ellen, did you buy him? did you buy what he was selling on the stand? >> well, i think it's important that if at least one jury or juror member buys his performance, that's what is really going to be critical, and i thought he did really quite a good job of maintaining his

composure throughout the entire day, and in spite of how the prosecutor was coming across in a pretty aggressive way. he was talking about issues that he had in his life and if one juror listens to those issues and says, well, i have a son who has those same issues, i know what it's like to be a drug addict. i know what it's like to be very suspicious of law enforcement and to be a constant liar so all that has to happen is one person on that jury relates to him and what his life experiences have been. of course in combination with a few other things as well, like the csi effect which is huge in a case like this. >> people think that there would be more evidence than there is actually because it is still circumstantial largely. >> i think so, and we see it time after time with csi. people watch tv shows and they want the dna, and they want the fingerprints, and they want everything laid out in a very clear package, but that often is not the case, and this case it's

not case, and to expect the juror to make that one juror to make that leap from a drug addiction to a liar to a double murderer. while it may be a long shot, people to know how devastating social media can be. again, one person hears all of that and puts it together and really relates to how he came across today, that person can cause some problems. >> it's interesting though, and maybe i'm showing a bias here. this is a person who has lied for decades and who has ripped off poor families in this conditions, in the county where he lives and has been treated as royalty his entire life, in that same kind of awe shucks, i would never harm anybody, i would never do anything wrong voice, he has lied to people and stolen

their life savings from them for decades, and lived off it. so i guess, i don't know, you think jurors can separate somebody being a serial liar from being a murderer ? >> i do think there are people that can do that. people can be extremely forgiving of someone who seems to be repentant about their past. and again, that may not be the makeup of all the people on this jury, but all they need is to have one person that really relates to that that has a very forgiving nature, that has a very empathic nature and has those life experiences, for example, similar to what he was talking about today. that could be the combination for someone that decides to really side with him. >> yeah, fascinating, mary ellen o'tool, i really appreciate your perspective, thank you so much. >> just asked christiane

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a year into russia's invasion of his country, ukraine said it could win the war this year as long as his allies remain united like a fist. to that end president biden met by teleconference with him and leaders of the g-7 with the administration announcing another new military aid package for ukraine. more now from cnn chief international anchor, christiane amanpour who was at the conference with president zelenskyy. what did you ask president zelenskyy?

>> well, i asked him about the time line because even though the friends of the ukraine led by the united states have sent a huge number of weapons as we all know, it is a speed game now. it is a question of hurrying up, which is what zelenskyy said. i was trying to figure out whether he thought either the u.s. and its allies would have more staying power or russia, which believes it can wait out the united states. >> mr. president, i'm interested in the time line today on the anniversary, you spoke to your own forces and you called for victory within this year. you have heard the western friends, your partners talk about as long as it takes. you know that the russian leader believes that time is on his side. why do you think that it's possible by the end of the year, and how do you assess the meaning of as long as it takes from your ukrainian perspective?

>> translator: thank you for the question, indeed, i want to very much. if each of us, each partner and we in our country, if we stay as one fist, one strong fist, and work towards victory, this is a victory of values. if they stick to their words, to their terms and it's not just blah blah blah, i believe in it. we have been partners, strong partners, and there is evidence to that. if we all do our important homework, victory will be inevitable. i am certain there will be victory. >> and anderson, there are an increasing number of people not only here in ukraine but even in the united states, military experts who say that what ukraine needs is all the long range, all the aircraft and attack helicopters and obviously ammunition that they need in order to be able to much more rapidly conduct

counteroffensives and if negotiation is the end game, then they must be able to get quickly to a place on the battlefield that they can actually negotiate from a position of strength. >> what is the level of concern among ukrainian officials tonight about russia's increasing alignment with china, in particular the idea that china might supply drones, ammunition for use in the war? >> well, president zelenskyy addressed that in his presser and i asked the deputy foreign minister myself. and they are not happy. they're monot speaking out agait china. they're trying to maintain this notion is neutral. indeed if china does get involved in the way you just mentioned, it would according to the u.s. defense secretary prolong the war. that's for absolute sure, and it just raises the stakes, of course. >> yeah, i appreciate it. thank you. more now on how the biden administration sees the possibility of china supplying lethal aid to russia. shortly before air time i spoke

with john kirby with the national security council. >> admiral kirby cnn reported that china is leading towards providing russia with drones. if a transaction like that has taken place, what kind of action is possible if any? >> i don't want to get ahead of where we are right now, anderson. we have indications that they are considering that kind of assistance, but we haven't taken it off the table. they haven't acted on that. we're watching this as closely as we can. you've heard secretary blinken talk about how he has relayed our concerns directly to his counterpart in beijing and that there would certainly be ramifications should they move in that direction. i want to stress we just haven't seen any indication that they've made that kind of decision. >> there's reporting that it would be kamikaze drones in particular, maybe even given components to russia that they could then build their own, a certain number every month. if this was done through chinese

companies as opposed to directly by the chinese government, would that make any difference to the u.s.? >> well, i think there's very -- sometimes very little distinction between chinese companies and the state. again, i don't want to get ahead of where things are. the chai inese military is obviously very advanced, good capabilities and certainly should that occur, it would make an impact on the war in ukraine, and we don't believe it's in china's interest to want to be on that side of it. >> you said earlier today that iran is seeking to purchase billions of dollars worth of military equipment from russia, fighter jets, helicopters, radar and in exchange iran is sending russia artillery and tank rounds. so what is that level of cooperation between russia, and iran what does it mean not only for ukraine but the middle east? >> that's exactly right. you nailed it. it isn't just about the impact those capabilities, iran cran capabilities will have on russia's war in ukraine. it is about what iran wants in return. they want support from russia, militarily speaking and in some of those systems i talked about

attack helicopters as well and combat trainer aircraft. all of those could make the iranian military more lethal, more capable, and more destabilizing to our friends and partners in the middle east. it goes both way. it's why, quite frankly, when we saw this relationship start to advance, we put it out there publicly, and it's why we did it again today. >> do you have an assessment of how beneficial these drones have been for russia, specifically the attack drones that have been used against the power grid and other targets? >> yeah, several hundred of them, and the russians, they struggled at first to learn the system, and they had some iranian traines on the ground in crimea helping them learn skpks after they learned and and got more proficient they were able to use them with a degree of lethality and accuracy, hitting civilian targets, mostly civilian infrastructure, and doing so because they're slow and low being able to try to evade air defense capabilities of the ukrainians.

they weren't all successful, but some of them did get through. they did have an impact. >> the chinese released this proposal for peace. the russians responded saying they, quote, share beijing's views. is this anything that's meaningful at all? >> it's difficult to know exactly how far this will go. it's also difficult to see china as an effective mediator here between russia and ukraine, particularly when they have not had any communication with ukraine whatsoever about these so-called proposals. we've said, president biden has said nothing about ukraine without ukraine, if a peace proposal, if a negotiation, and believe me, we would welcome a legitimate credible peace proposal. for one to be credible and sustainable, it's got to start from the foundation of ukraine being the victim here and russia being the aggressor and has to also start with a foundational belief in ukraine's sovereignty and their ability to have their country back. it's got to start with there,

and there hasn't been any conversations between china and ukraine. nothing about ukraine without ukraine as far as we're concerned. >> admiral john kirby, appreciate it. thank you. some additional perspective from a lawmaker and retired marine who recently spent time in ukraine, massachusetts democratic congressman seth moulton serves on the select committee on strategic competition between the u.s. and chinese communist party. i spoke to him this evening. >> congressman appreciate you joining us. as you know, sources are telling cnn that china is considering sending drones and ammunition to russia. admiral kirby just said the biden administration is watching this closely. what's your level of concern right now? how would that change the dynamic of the war? >> look, my level of concern is high because we want this war to end, and china is going to prolong this war if they gave more aid to vladimir putin and russia and his illegal invasion. >> how effective do you think the drones that iran has been providing to russia have been? >> you know, they've been

effective. the ukrainians are remarkably not just resilient but innovative, and they've figured out ways to shoot them down. the chinese are world leaders in drone technology. obviously these could be significant weapons on the battlefield. and you know, just a few days ago china was talking about how they're presenting a peace plan. china's not advocating for peace here, they're aiding an invader. >> russia says this is a proxy war between the west and russia. how concerned are you that this could get framed as a proxy war between the west and russia and china if they get involved? >> i honestly think, anderson if china wants to join the russia iran club here, they're going to find an incredibly united western alliance that's going to make their whole project to take over taiwan which xi jinping has talked about a lot much more difficult. they're going to realize that the west stands strong with the united states of america and we stand strong based on our

values. based on freedom, the rule of law. p based on rules that china has supported. the chinese foreign minister has recently said he supports the idea that sovereign nations have territorial integrity. thae means that he supports the idea that ukraine should exist as a nation. so there's obviously some disagreement going on within china right now. if the chinese communist party chooses to join forces with putin, they're putting themselves on the wrong side of the rule of law. i think fund mentally they're putting themselves on the wrong side of history. >> how strong is support for ukraine in congress and in the u.s. among -- specifically your republican colleagues? >> it's a good question, anderson. i know there are some very loud voices on the far right in congress who are expressing doubts about continued support for ukraine, and let me tell you, the support for ukraine in congress is strong.

it's bipartisan. i do think that some americans are asking legitimate questions. they're asking how much money should we spend, how long should this go on? but by investing in ukraine today, we're investing in our national security in the future, not just ukraine. we're showing the world that we're not going to allow another ground war this europe, and let's be clear, if putin goes further than ukraine, it could be to a nato country and that could cost american lives, the young american men and women would be fighting and dying. it's also showing the rest of the world including xi jinping that the western alliance is going to stay strong, stand together, and not allow autocratic leaders to take over foreign democratic nations. >> yeah, congressman moulton, i appreciate your time, thank you. >> good to see you, anderson. coming up, a unique view of the growing tensions with china. cnn went out with the u.s. reconnaissance plane and a cha knees jet came to intercept it. it got so close, you can

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before the break, we were talking about the new u.s. intelligence that china is considering arming russia in ukraine with continued tension between china and the u.s. cnn's ivan watson had the opportunity to spend time in a navy reconnaissance plane which unexpectedly got the attention of a chinese jet.

>> reporter: this is a close encounter with a chinese war plane filmed just off the wing of a u.s. navy reconnaissance plane flying over the south china sea. we're getting a close up look at a cha kinese fighter jet. it's identified as a j-11, a two-seater that they say is armed with air to air missiles and it's been shadowing this u.s. navy plane now for about 15 minutes. it is pretty remarkable to see this chinese war plane operating at such close proximity, just several hundred feet away from our aircraft. >> the chinese fighter escort, part of a regular routine. >> i'd say it's another friday afternoon south china sea. >> reporter: the u.s. navy invited cnn to fly on a p 8 reconnaissance plane taking off from a u.s. air base on the japanese island of okinawa. along the way, picking up fuel

from a flying gas station. >> we're refueling in midair right now, flying just about 40 feet away from a kc 135 tanker plane. >> reporter: the plane is headed past the self-governing island of taiwan, which china claims as its own. to the south china sea, which china also claims almost all for itself ignoring competing claims from countries like vietnam and the philippines. some 30 miles from the chinese occupied pair sell islands, a chinese voice crackles over the radio. >> you are approaching chinese air space. keep a safe distance. >> reporter: that's when the chinese people's liberation army fighter jet appears flying so close you can sigh the pilots in their cockpit. >> this is u.s. navy on vhf 121

decimal 5. my left wing, i intend to continue to proceed to the west. >> reporter: the chinese pilot never responds, but eventually leaves when the u.s. plane turns south. >> it's like oil spots as they build on one reef and then build on another. >> reporter: commodore will torison shows the net work of mn made islands china built on what had been coral reefs claimed by other countries. >> our number one focus here is to ensure that we have continued access alongside all of our allies and partners to international air space and international waters. >> reporter: the u.s. presence here aimed at preventing further encroachment by china. we're flying at a low altitude, a thousand feet, a little more than 300 meters above sea level east of taiwan looking for a chinese warship currently believed to be operating in these stormy waters.

>> reporter: the plane spots a chinese guided missile destroyer. >> approaching me. >> united states military aircraft, remain a safe distance. >> a cat and mouse game from two rival militaries, in one of the most hotly contested regions in the world. >> and ivan watson joins us now from okinawa, japan, it's fascinating to see that jet so close. china has the world's largest navy and continues to build it, don't they? >> reporter: they do. they've eclipsed the u.s. navy in size, the world's largest navy. they have about 340 ships, whereas the u.s. has about 300. the u.s. navy secretary said

china has a significant advantage when it comes to ship building, and that gap is expected to grow even though there are plans to modernize the u.s. navy. now, one thing, however, that china is doing with this kind of aggressive actions in places like the south china sea is it's pushing smaller countries like the fill peep philippines, whic of years ago was ready to end military relations with the u.s. to now try to expand it, the philippines inviting u.s. forces to operate out of more philippines bases. japan recently announcing it will dramatically expand its defense expenditures, and the u.s. is partnering up with countries like australia and the uk to build nuclear submarines. all of this is aimed at basically force projection and trying to convince beijing to think twice before acting too provocatively in some of these contested areas as we've seen russia do in ukraine. >> yeah, ivan watson, appreciate

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special georgia grand jury investigating attempts to overturn the election has clarified the rules about what can and can't be said. he did this because of the highly unusual media tour put on by the jury's foreperson. em emily kohrs spoke to several news agencies. >> did you recommend charges to donald trump? >> i really don't want to share something that the judge made a conscious decision not to share. i will tell you that it was a process where he heard his name a lot. we definitely heard a lot about former president trump and we definitely discussed him a lot in the room and i'll say that when this list comes out, you wouldn't -- there are no major plot twists waiting for you. >> cnn political correspondent spoke with the judge and has the latest for us tonight. >> sir, what did the judge tell you about the foreperson who spoke out earlier this week? >> well, he really elaborated on

what the guiding principles were, what he told the special grand jurors they could share. he made it clear they were a allowed to share what witnesses said to them, what they decided to put in the final report. even if she had come out and said these are the names we referred for criminal indictment, she still would have been within the bounds of what the special grand jurors were allowed to share. what they were not allowed to share are the deliberations. so essentially anything that went on, you know, if she was talking to other special grand jurors without the witnesses in the room, without prosecutors in the room, and we asked him, my producer and i, you know, do you think emily kohrs may have overstepped at any point, may have violated these rules, and he said it's not for me to assess. to so he was playing it a little careful there. i think people are thrown because the secrecy rules are obviously very different from what we are used to seeing from federal grand juries. >> how are the former president's attorneys reacting to this? >> the former president's

attorneys have slammed her media tour this week. they said it undermines the seriousness of the investigation that the conducted by the special grand jury. they said whatever conclusions were drawn were not the ruisk o an analytical, credible or trustworthy investigation. when we spoke about what he felt about the integrity of the process, he felt like the special grand jury complied with all the rules, all the laws surrounding this and essentially upheld the charter of their mandate. perspective from cnn legal analyst and former deputy attorney general elliott williams. what do you make of what the judge told sara murray today? >> two things can be true, she followed judge's directions, that it was perfectly permissible everything that she said in not specifically disclosing deliberations. that can be true, but it can also be true that it was just a really bad idea to go out and speak publicly about the process in this way and the risks both practical and legal to being out

in public speaking about what sort of went on behind the scenes of a special grand jury is just a really, really bad idea. >> when the judge was asked regarding the foreperson's media interviews. he said it's not for him to assess, i guess the appropriateness of it. he was saying it didn't violate any of the rules. what are -- what do you think? i maean, obviously it was very odd to see at times. what's the harm done, do you think? >> okay, so there's a few harms. number one, you're already seeing what the former president's attorneys being out there saying that the process itself isn't fair because it was a bit of a kangaroo court where these people went in wanting to indict the former president from the moment they went in there. so it casts sort of a bit of doubt on the impartiality and the fairness of the process. the other thing is there's a really big risk of just some evidence or some information that they heard was presented to them leaking out, and that

number one, runs the risk of jeptizing the privacy of people who haven't been charged with crimes or spooking potential witnesses or even defendants into flying to switzerland in advance of getting charged with a crime. just keep your mouth shut when you're a grand juror, even recognizing that people have a right to speak and we ought to embrace that, but the risk to the process are just too great. >> it does sort of undermine public confidence, potentially in the process. >> absolutely. and i think -- it almost starts feeling like it's a bit of a game or that reality tv where you're teasing that this exciting big thing is going to happen when the way the process ought to work is that people come in, behave in an impartial manner and recommend charges or not. but this whole idea of you won't be surprise of what's coming out. >> can they use the foreperson's media appearances to their

advantage? >> they can use it to move to dismisany indictments and so on. to be clear, nothing she said really crossed -- nothing really crossed the line into imperilling the integrity of the investigation. this is all about the appearance of fairness and impartiality, and you really don't want to start off what could frankly be the trial of the century if it's to happen with this cloud or taint of impartiality sort of messing up the whole process. >> elliot williams, appreciate it. thank you c. snow where it rathrely fall and harry enten being the weatherman that i think he's always wanted to be. he joins me next.

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latest. i did not know you were a weather enthusiast. >> i am the biggest weather enthusiast. the kids at weather camp, i went to penn state weather camp in the mid-2000s, they would be so jealous of me right now. i fulfilled the dream of becoming a weatherman on national television, i it it, yet. >> how many kids went to weather camp by the way? >> there was at least 20, 25. we watched twister, visited the national weather service. >> you watched twist the movie? >> yes. >> we visited accuweather. i put a video online forecasting. my mother was very proud. >> did you have mobile satellite uplink units on your helmets? >> we had the helmets on. we were measuring the atmosphere for the national weather service. we were guinea pig s as well. >> this winter storm on the west coast. >> tremendous stuff. you mentioned it's the first time that the san diego national weather service office issued blizzard warnings. san francisco saw its coldest ever february 23rd yesterday. the record low this morning for february 24th as well. go up to portland, right?

what we saw was the second highest daily snowfall, so basically, you know, there's all the stuff. oh, there was snow in the hollywood hills, and there was, in fact, some grapple around the hollywood sign, which was cool. >> fwrgrapple? >> fwrap l is snow that melts on the way town but not all the way, it's not sleet and it's not hail. >> look at you with your grapple. >> i'm 55 years old, how come i've never heard of grapple before? >> maybe you're not into weather as much as you should be. >> we should get you some water there. there's also been abnormal temperatures on the east coast. >> correct. you know, so basically one of the wbig reasons we have those big snows in the west coast and the midwest is temperature differences create big differences in pressure, create big snowfalls. look at this record heat in the southeast that we got all the way up to akron. temperatures in the 80s in places like washington, d.c., charlotte, savannah, akron was in the 70s. it was much more like late spring or even early summer than

say the middle of february. >> and what about new york? >> so this is the great failure of this season for me. i love snow. snow is the reason i went to weather camp. i i wanted to forecast snow days. >> that's my next question, why did you go to weather camp. snow. >> i love snow. >> was weather camp in the summer or the winter? >> it was in the summer, but we got ice cream there. >> you could do it any season. >> i did have to go to school. if you look in new york, we've had the least amount of snowfall. no snow. the least amount of snowfall through this point and the second warmest winter on record through this point. this has been horrific for me. i've hated every sing minute of it? i want to hear more about snow camp in the break. the cnn special report "rising hate: anti-semitism inin americ starts now. >> the following is a cnn

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