see it, you can achieve it. these young men and women work super hard day in and day out just because of that because they know there's very little representation out there. >> h.u. then broke 16 men's records and the women's team broke 15 records. when i was at howard, i had the option to either take swimming or badminton. >> yeah. and? >> badminton. >> you see what you could have done. >> it could have been me. could have been me. >> congratulations to them. it's top of the hour on "cnn saturday." hello, everyone, i'm bianna golodryga. >> i'm victor blackwell. the white house has said it has made clear to china there will be consequences if china provides lethal aid to russia against the war in ukraine. and confident sending drones to moscow for its troops. >> that could make a difference on the russian front line as the russians try to capture nor

ukrainian territory in the country's east. the biden administration says if beijing does provide weapons it will pay a real cost. >> we're not just making direct threats, we're just laying out the stakes and consequences how things will infold. and we are doing that clearly and specifically behind closed doors. >> cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond joins us now, so, jeremy, some intense discussions as we go going on behind closed doors. any idea how imminent this potential for china could be? >> well, bianna, it's been clear, china has been weighing this for several months or so. but we're seeing over the last week, u.s. officials publicly and privately conveying to china there would be severe consequences if they do indeed move forward with providing lethal aid to russia. we do know china has provided nonlethal aid, body armor, helmets but u.s. intelligence now believes china is

considering presenting russia with drones and ammunition. and there are questions about the price and scope of that kind of assistance. now u.s. intelligence officials have reason to believe that china is leaning towards that lethal assistance but so far no indication that a decision has been made. here's the cia director bill burns on all of that. >> well, we're catch department that the chinese leadership is considering the provision of lethal equipment. we also don't see that a final decision has been made yet. and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. and that's why, i think, secretary blinken and the president have thought it important to make very clear what the consequences of that would be. >> and that last part there, that you hear from the cia director is so important because u.s. officials believe that part of china's calculus is actually weighing how the united states and the west, remember, there's a coalition of about 30 countries led by the united states that have imposed the severe sanctions on people and

entities who have provided lethal weapons support to russia. so part of china's calculus here is trying to figure out how the u.s. will respond. and u.s. officials believe being so public with these warnings that perhaps it can change the minds of chinese leaders leaning towards providing this assistance. so far, they have said china has not yet made a decision but you heard the national security adviser jake sullivan saying there are real costs and has made it specific to chinese officials what the costs would be. >> thank you. u.s. treasury secretary janet yellen is in ukraine. she made a trip to ukraine one week after the surprise visit to kyiv by president biden. >> and in an op-ed in "the new york times" today, she said she is in ukraine to reaffirm the united states' unwavering support. cnn's melissa bell is in kyiv.

melissa, you spoke with secretary yellen. tell us what she said. >> reporter: yeah, i was able to ask her about the latest sanctions. the tenth round of sanctions imposed by the united states, some of the most significant so far. she said she believed they were taking a serious toll on the russian economy and specifically, bianna and victor, to wage the war and replace some of the equipment that was lost. and make the modern economy function. and having to go through back channels with noriran and north korea. and even to cut off those avenues. i asked her, of course, what the consequences would be if beijing were to supply any of that lethal equipment that jeremy was just talking about. this was her reply. >> well, we have been extremely clear that we will not tolerate violations, systematic violations by any country, of the sanctions that were put in

place, that are intended to deprive russia of access to military equipment, to wage this war. and we've been very clear with the chinese government and has made clear to chinese firms and financial institutions, that the consequences of violating these sanctions would be very severe. >> reporter: i'd like to move on to more domestic measures if i may. >> sure. >> reporter: we've seen the fight against inflation take a hit, you can see hitting 5.4%. do you believe it's behind the curve or that a soft landing is still there, like you said? >> i personally believe that it's possible to bring inflation down, while maintaining a very strong labor market. i think we can maintain it. i would say so far so good. i think there are risks. and on the global situation, we

face, there's uncertainty there can be shots from it. but with inflation still too high, but generally, if you look over the last year, inflation has been coming down. and i the fed is committed to continuing the process of bringing it down to more normal levels. >> reporter: on a positive note there from the treasury secretary on those inflationary pressures that, of course, some of the consequences of the american economy of the bar in ukraine. and i asked her how far the united states was prepared to go in its efforts to support ukraine. and to help it achieve what it's achieved so far, which is one year to be standing up. she said it was unwavering and would carry on for as long as it took, bianna and victor. >> melissa bell, thank you. >> joining us steven anderson and andrea taylor who served on

the national intelligence council. welcome to you both. i want to get to what melissa spoke with secretary yellen and developments on ukraine but smls just came into us, this is from general charles flynn, commanding army in the pacific. in context to china, if they're going to offer this lethal support to russia, and also if they're looking beyond the ukraine war towards the invasion of taiwan. and here's what general flynn says that he's been noticing about chinese forces. let's play that. >> they are on a historical trajectory, the military arm that they have created is extraordinary. they are rehearsing, they are practicing, they are experimenting, and they are preparing those forces for something. but you don't build up that kind of arsenal to just defend and protect. you probably are building that for other purposes.

>> general, what's the reaction to what you hear there? >> well, obviously, we need to take this seriously, victor. but, you know, the chinese have been doing this for a long time. and you know, we -- i believe that they've -- they're not really serious about providing support in a big way to the russians. i think that although they are making public pronouncements to the contrary, perhaps, or at least they try to pardon me by putting out this 12-point peace plan. of course, they forgot about the 13th point which was, of course, removing all troops from the sovereign state of ukraine. but i don't think -- their timing is fragile right now. they're just coming out of covid. and i really don't think they're serious about supporting the russians in a big way. i just don't think we're going to see that happen. i think actually behind closed doors they told him, look, vladimir, we're not going to support you on this much longer.

you've got to wrap this up, because the chinese are not interested in getting -- participating in a losing effort in the war and they're not going to throw good money out. >> well, andrea, we're not getting any indication that vladimir putin is going to wrap this war up anytime soon. in fact it appears he's in it for the long haul. what do you think, obviously, officials will not say things on camera that they're saying behind closed doors. but what is the most effective measure they can take to make sure china doesn't take this step. because we've sort of run out of carrots to offer. is it just more sticks that the u.s. is going to threaten china with? >> yeah, i think at this point, we really are looking at sticks. i think we should note that russia/china relations have been deepening for a very long time. 2014 was a big catalyst in that. and we've seen militarily, politically, economically, ties

with the relationship have deepened but notably, china has never had to incur costs for support of russia. so this is the first time it's a very important crossroads. so certainly, united states is threatening all sorts with sticks. and so what i hope we're saying is that we will implement economic sanctions, most likely export controls. at a very minimum, united states could add new chinese companies to our entities list. which makes it more difficult or actually precludes those companies from receiving u.s. technology and other goods. and all the way up to the more extreme response would be the u.s. considering secondary sanctions. and that would allow the united states to sanction any company, anywhere in the world, that's doing business with a designated chinese company. so, although we do have a tremendous number of economic tools at our disposal, the one last point that i'll make is that europe is really important

in this equation, too. so, china wants to ensure that europe is not in alignment with the united states, in its confrontation with beijing. they really have a stake in keeping europe neutral. and so it's really important not just that the united states is communicating the costs. but that europe is doing the same. i think they actually have more leverage in this situation than washington does. >> general, there appears to be no slowing in the west support, militarily, for ukraine. additional pledges of hardware and artilartillery. there's some production issues, but still, more pledges. can russia win a conventionally fought war, this war, without the lethal aid support from china? >> well, frankly, victor, i don't think they can win the war even with conventional support from china. they're not -- they have a bad army. they're ten years away from

turning around a fully-led, fully equipped -- they don't have noncommissioned officers. there's a litany of officers in losing. probably the most extensive and most significant is the incredible courage and tenacity of the ukrainian people. they're just not going to kow kow to these people, we need to make sure they win the war, just not merely not lose. >> andreia, on that issue of weapons procurement that victor mentioned, there does appear to be an issue of stockpiles with american allies in order tole produce them in time to get to ukraine. i know you came up with a suggestion that it appears that the administration is at least mulling, and that is, sending over weapons that were seized from iran. how significant of a move would that be? >> well, i don't think it's a silver bullet, certainly. and in many ways, it's more

symbolic. yeah, my colleague jonathan ward and cns and i produced a piece in "the washington post" that called on the united states to take weapons that the u.s. military and also the french and the british have seized, wells that were heading from iran to yemen to support the houthis in their civil war. a laupt oot of those weapons ar sitting, gathering dust in munitions depots. what we're calling for is for the biden administration to send those weapons to ukraine. already, the united states is scrambling to increase our own production of ammunition, to keep pace with what ukraine is using in the war. so this is a really low-cost opportunity to support ukraine. the biden administration has already shown tremendous creativity in the tools that they've used. the approaches to support ukraine. so, i think this is another important way, and, by the way, relations between russia and china -- sorry, russia and iran

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so, randi, prosecutors were opposed to the move. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: yeah, they really were against it, victor and bianna, because they feel it's not a true representation of the crime scene back in the day. these murders occurred in june 2021. now, all this time has passed and they feel like the jury isn't going to get the real picture, specifically, about the trees on the property. they say that they're taller and thicker. and that's a concern because the defense had a witness on the stand who spoke about how sound would travel on the property, gunfire, in particular. saying if alex murdaugh was napping or watching tv in the house when the murders occurred which he said he was doing, then he would nut have heard the shotgun or rifle as he testified. and in january of this year, the trees had changed and grown much taller and thicker. so that speaks to why they're against this jury visiting the property now at this time in the trial. more importantly, though, there

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major newspapers including the "los angeles times" and "the washington post" are dropping the satirical comic strip dilbert after its creator scott adams made racist comments online and social media. >> adams went on a youtube rant claiming that black people are a hate group and that white people should get the hell away from them. >> today, i reidentify as white because i don't want to be a member of a hate group. i've accidentally joined a hate group so if nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll,

not according to me, according to this poll, that's a hate group. that's a hate group. and i don't want to have anything to do with them. and i would say, you know, based on the current way things are going, the best advice i would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people. >> cnn's polo sandoval is here. the first thing, when he says i'm going to reidentify as white, he identified as black? >> we've heard that for quite some time. >> okay. >> so this was basically the glass -- the drop that made the glass spill over here. and has led to the firestorm. and i've listened in the last several days to hours of subsequent streams in order to cover this. and he continues to insist that his comments from last week were taken out of context. that he was simply advising people to avoid hate in general. but it's simply not going well for the heads of hundreds of newspapers really around the

world, basically severing ties with this cartoonist. they've published that strip for decades and now andrew mcneil the syndicator of the dilbert cartoon also splitting ways. writing today as a media and communications company 'mu values speech and we're proud to promote many different voices and perspectives, but we will never support any commentator rooted in discrimination or hate. recent comments by scott adams regarding race and race relations do not align with our core values as a company. so, what we're seeing are these major publications including "the washington post" that are describing these recent comments that you just played a short while ago as basically promoting segregation. and we've also heard from other publications calling this basically a racist rant. and what's interesting when you listen to hours of recent streaming, it's very difficult to gauge just how concerned he is right now. for starters, he loves attention, and i know that because i heard him say it

during the latest stream. he also says he was expecting this level of backlash, even as he was saying thee comments that you just played a short while ago. and he's also very familiar with the fact that he expects to lose the majority of his income as well. and this is, however, useful provocation, there are many ways to start a conversation about race in america. and referring to white people as a hate group is certainly not one of them. and that is why we're seifing this level of fallout and this level of backlash from so many paper it's around the world that published this for over 30 years. >> yeah, provocation it may indeed be, but to call it useful provocation, i mean, come on. he does are his supporters, one is a prominent name we've talked about a lot, elon musk. >> we all heard elon musk basically responding, how he's supporting adams, but as you can see here, tweeting for a very long time u.s. media was racist

now white people, now they're racist against whites and asians. i listened to scott adams' stream yesterday as he found out about this tweet and obviously hailing elon musk a hero. interesting for this conversation, what will happen to adams they can. >> joining now is cnn senior media reporter rashard darcy and oliver, let me begin with you. as we just heard, it appears adams is not apologetic at all. and seems to be rolling with whatever consequences stem from these comments. what do you make of all of this? >> that's right, he's -- i mean, he's unapologetic. he was saying he is being hyperbolic in these comments. but i've watched a lot of this scott adams live stream over the past 48 hours or so. and he really was effectively encouraging and is effectively

encouraging some form of segregation. i mean, his comments there are calling black people a hate group, obviously, are bad enough, but he's continued basically to promote the idea of segregation on these different -- on these different shows that he's been appearing on, his live streams and youtube. the other thing i think that's interesting is, as you said, that elon musk is effectively rushing to his defense. it's one thing for scott adams, a cartoonist to make these comments. but you have elon musk now weighing in, accusing the news media of being racist. and the news media has a lot of business partnerships with elon musk. so it will be interesting, for instance, now, "the washington post" which said they were severing ties over scott adams' remarks if they will also move to sever business ties with someone like elon musk, given that musk is now defending effectively those comments from adams. >> so, rashad, his comments, he

says, were in response to a rasmussen poll, a conservative pollster, where, according to rasmussen, 53% of black respondents agreed with the statement it's okay to be white. he then said that since he's trying to come on and clean it up, i want you to listen to one of his recent comments about the backlash. and i guess this is trying to clarify. >> so, if i say that black americans are a hate group, does that mean i don't like my neighbor who is black and a doctor? no, he's great. i love that guy. that has nothing to do with individuals. i've made no comment about individuals. i love black individuals. >> that's the cleanup. i like the black guy next door, but if you put too many together, they're a hate group. what's your reaction to what he's saying?

>> well, my reaction is that, the more he talks, the more he continues to show us exactly what he means. and to have someone like elon musk supporting him, who's also now supporting segregation, a person who leads one of the largest communications platforms the world has ever seen, you start to get a real sense for this hostile climate that we are in around race. and the ways in which people with power will do whatever they can to sort of exert their privilege. you know, dilbert is not just kind of a comic, right? it's this piece of art and this piece of commentary that is used in workplaces. and it's commentary on workplace. so to have the founder of it sort of talk about segregation, when we understand the history of workplace discrimination, the history of exclusion in the workplace, you know, i think it only further sort of illustrates

we also know he's been signaling this in his comics, in his commentary for years now. so, as these newspapers step away, i also think there's an opportunity for these newspapers, for these media outlets to have a deeper look about sort of the lines in which they will sort of -- you know, the line. you know, where is the line, between, you know, acceptable range of debate and inciting sort of white nationalist, white supremacist red hetoric. i think it will be important for the newspapers not to bring dilbert down, but the strip over the years where he's tried to put sorry aspects of his commentary forward that has been abusive and offensive. and i think at the end of the day, you know, no one is arresting him. no one is putting him behind bars. he can go out and say whatever he wants. freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of speech. just because he can't make money

off of what he's saying right now, doesn't mean anyone is holding him accountable to anything that's illegal for in violation of the first amendment. >> oliver, is there any sense that he'll benefit from this? it seems he's doing this knowing he'd like to be more provocative. what are are the repercussions or the benefits, unfortunately, for him, that could come out of this? >> well, he's certainly getting a lot of attention right now. and i think that's obviously something that he's relishing. but the financial -- i mean, this comic has been basically cancelled across the world. and so, no newspaper is going to be carrying it. his syndicator has severed ties with him. and so from a financial standpoint, i can't imagine, you know it will be great. unless he has some sort of other business that he wants to promote. but he's certainly getting a lot of attention. and given who he is, it seems that's something that he's enjoying quite a bit.

>> rashad, with elon musk, i know you were consulted specifically about twitter and some of the racist statements posted there and some of the guidelines that musk would be considering at some point. when he says u.s. media is racist against nonwhite people and now they're racist against whites and asians, how does that inform his confidence in elon musk and what that will do to the platform? >> well, my confidence was shot, i met with elon musk and other civil rights leaders right after he purchased the company. and he made a set of commitments to us in that call. he tweeted out those commitments at 1:30 the next morning. and by the next day, he was basically firing and letting go of some of the people that would have carried out those commitments, keeping the election integrity in place prior to the election.

so, we have watched elon musk kind of say whatever is convenient at any given moment. and this is a person, right, who has a deep history of running his company in racist ways. with even his own wealth, and the wealth of his family from apartheid south africa, so i don't think any of us can rest comfortably with the idea that elon musk is now an arbiter of what is racist and what's not. i think it's a deep recognition the fact of self-regulated companies or unrelated companies as long as big tech or social media can operate without rules we will have folks like oelon musk who will defend, literally defend segregation, to get to how to determine how one of the most powerful communications platform is run. a place where people are supposed to come, engage and talk about it. when i spoke to elon musk, he talked about twitter as a public square. and i pushed back and let him

know that public square it's can't be owned by a single person. but also this country, this country, south africa, has a history of black folks being killed, beat and sold in public squares. so if you are going to operate something like that, you have to have deeper principles we're seeing that he doesn't have that. >> rashad robinson, oliver darcy, thank you. in hong kong, four members of a family have been charged with the gruesome killing of a model. why it sends shock waves through the city as police continue to look for her body parts. this is lily. when you see things differently, you can be the difference. ♪ capella university sees education differently. our flexpath learning format helps you control the pace and cost of your master's degree.

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in hong kong, a celebrity model is dead and not only is her ex-husband accused of killing her, his father and brother also face charges in that gruesome murder. >> suspect's mother has also been arrested. the victim is 28-year-old abby choi. her body was found cut into pieces. and now more from cnn's kristie lu stout with this story, and a warning you may find some of the details disturbing. >> reporter: a fashion model and mother brutally murdered in hong kong, in a case that is sending shock waves through the safe city. 30-year-old abby choi was a model and influencer. who just weeks ago appeared on the digital cover of a luxury magazine. she was reported missing on

wednesday. on friday, police say pieces of her body were found in a refrigerator in the northern district of hong kong. they also found a meat slicer and saw. later, police discovered a rib, and hair in a soup pot. >> it was a skull with hair. as i said, unfortunately, there's a hole on the right side rear, on the skull. so, the pathologist believe that that should be the fatal attack on the victim. >> reporter: police arrested abby choi's ex-husband on suspicion of murder on saturday. police say they caught him at a pier leaving the island. and the ex-husband appeared here at the magistrate court on monday. they're all accused and appeared

in court. and his mother was accused of obstructing the case, all four were denied bail. over the weekend authorities launched a massive search operation to track down the rest of the model's remains. they deployed more than 100 police officers including a team and divers to search a cemetery and nearby catch water in the area. they're still looking for several body parts. a gruesome murder of this young woman in the spotlight who leaves behind four children, including two from the ex-husband who is now in custody. kristie lu stout, cnn, hong kong. >> just a horrific story. our thanks to kristie lu. well, she is a star of "everything everywhere at once." and now michelle yee is a star.

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another historymaking moment at the 29th annual screen actors guild awards for the film "everything everywhere all at once" was a huge winner. >> all three stars of the movie took home the top acting honors including best actress with michelle yeoh. and we're here with the action and a look at other winners. h.u. -- >> all right. h.u. -- >> she knows that. >> you know, i swam for howard swimming. >> oh, did you. >> at howard university, i'm very excited, kudos here. thank you. but that's not about me, let's talk about the movies because it was all about "everything

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just released a new study that shows a major benefit from cell therapy for people suffering from heart failure. >> researchers say this therapy which involved a patient receiving adult stem cells can reduce the risk of heart attack and stroke. cnn health reporter jacqueline howard is here with details.

jacqueline, tell us how the therapy can actually help heart patients. >> victor and bianna, this cell therapy specifically targets inflammation which plays a major role in heart failure. researchers said they looked at more than 500 heart patients, some of them are given therapy, other half given a sham procedure, a placebo. researchers found among the patients that had the stem cells injected in their heart through catheter, they saw a decrease in heart attack or stroke by 58%. this lasted through 30 months. this is talking about 2 1/2 years of research. and the lead author, dr. anderson perin tells me this is among the therapy that heart patients take. have a listen. >> you can imagine, if we keep everybody going and doing better with the medicine, and now we have a treatment that actually addresses the cause and quiets everything down.

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