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hello. i'm abby phillip in washington. and happening right now, supreme court hearings underway that could effect millions of people who owe money on their student loans. justices are hearing arguments in two cases, challenging president biden's plan to wipe away more than $400 billion in student debt. six republican-led states and two individuals are challenging its legality. let's bring in cnn's jessica schneider and renee marsh. both are at the supreme court right now. jessica, i want to start with you first. it's no surprise, this is a conservative court. and so far, it sounds like they've been pretty skeptical of the biden administration's argument so far. tell us about what's been happening. >> that's exactly right, abby. the conservative members of this court are really giving considerable pushback on the idea that president biden and his administration can even put into place this sweeping debt relief. they're really zeroing in on the price tag of this program, more than $400 plus billion, and they're also wondering about the

real powers of the presidency and by way of that, his education secretary. because the main issue in this case is whether or not the biden administration, the education secretary can wipe away what is a sweeping amount of debt for millions of students. 40 million students or borrowers are eligible, 26 million so far have applied. 16 million were approved before this program was stopped by the lower courts and it remains blocked as the supreme court hears these arguments. this would really do away with up to $20,000 in debt for a number of, millions of borrowers here. the solicitor general arguing for the biden administration is saying that, yes, this administration has the power to wipe away some of this debt because of the heroes act. and that act, that statute, says that the education secretary can waive or modify loan provisions in the event of an emergency. the administration is pointing to the ongoing covid pandemic as

that emergency. but again, the conservative justices here, acting very skeptical. they're saying that this big of a program, $400 plus billion, should really be in the hands of congress. they asked about separation of powers, and then justice neil gorsuch and other conservative justices also touched on this idea of fairness. take a listen. >> what i think they argue that is missing is cost to other persons in terms of fairness, for example. people who have paid their loans. people who don't -- plan their lives around not seeking loans. and people who are not eligible for loans in the first place. and that half a trillion dollars is being diverted to one group of favored persons over others. >> we are hearing a lot of pushback from the conservatives in these ongoing arguments that are still ongoing now, just about three hours in. because, of course, these are two separate cases, brought by six republican led-states and also two individual people who

say that they are not eligible for any of this debt relief. so, abby, a lot on the line here for millions and millions of student loan borrowers, who are really waiting for the supreme court to act here, to determine if that debt will, in fact, be relieved. abby? >> yes, exactly. so much on the line. and to that exact point, renee, you've been covering the rallies outside of the court today. what has been the reaction among the protesters gathered there to all of this? >> reporter: yeah, you know, as jessica put it, abby, a lot of people in limbo at this point. outside of the supreme court today, we saw students, we saw, you know, student loan borrowers. we also saw advocates, all with the same shared story of basically drowning in debt. we heard lots of different stories out here from the 25-year-old living in new york city with her parents, afraid that she may never realize the american dream of financial freedom or home ownershipship, because of her college debt, to

democratic congresswoman iyanna presley who talked about her struggle to pay off her student loan debt over the course of more than 20 years. to grandparents on fixed incomes who are seeing their benefits garnished to pay off loans that they are in default for. so we're hearing the full gamut of how this issue impacts people in their everyday lives, but it's not just people who have graduated also, students here today who are just entering their college career, i spoke with one freshman who is already concerned about how she will pay back her loans. take a listen. >> i'm here because i'm a first generation college student and my parents did not go to college. the main reason was because of student loans, and they weren't able to afford it. and right now, i have taken out a lot of loans. i live in a single parent

household of five. yeah. i'm out here trying to -- trying to just go through college without having to stress about payments. >> reporter: and while these students and these borrowers will not get their answer as far as how the court rules today, they are waiting anxiously for when that decision does come down, because it is very clear in talking to many of them here today, they understand, it's not just about the loans. this really is about their financial future and they get that. and that is why they're so, so very concerned. abby? >> all right. well, much more to come on this very important story, as we'll follow these two cases really closely. thank you, jessica schneider and rene marsh. and right now, we are tracking weather mayhem on both coasts. nearly 30 million americans are under winter weather alerts in both the west and the northeast. you can see the snow blanketing

hartford, connecticut, and boston could see up to 6 inches of snow by the end of the day. but also in parts of california, they are still cleaning up from the last snowfall and now even more is on the way. cnn's jennifer gray is over in the cnn weather center and stephanie elam is over in snowy san bernardino, just east of los angeles. steph, let's start with you. what are the conditions there right now in this part of california? >> it's cold, it is very snowy. we actually just rode up here closer to crestline, abby, to get a better look. it is foggy, it is still very treacherous at some points, where we see some rock slides and snow slides on to the road. all of this has made it very difficult for them to get emergency services to people up there. and a lot of people were trapped over the weekend. in fact, we just talked to a group of friends who were coming up here to an airbnb to celebrate one of their buddy's birthdays and a two-hour drive took them ten hours and it got so treacherous on sunday evening that they ended up abandoning

one of their cars and they are just now digging it out. that gives you an idea of what they've been dealing with. over the weekend, we know that there were 600 kids that had a science camp and were supposed to come on friday, but were not able to make it home. but they got a nice escort by officials to make it back over the weekend. they actually got home yesterday, because that's how bad it was. what they have seen in this area, abby, is three times the amount of annual snowfall in less than four days. and guess what, we're not done. this is the first time that we've even see a blizzard warning for san bernardino county. we are expecting 2 to 3 more feet of snow to come in later on this evening and tomorrow. and as you can see, there's still very much working on it, because up there, you can see some of that fog. we were just up there, it's not easy to see. the visibility is low and there are still a lot of cars under snow, abandoned on the side of the highway. >> yeah, and a lot of californians not used to this kind of weather, rightfully so, who really need to be careful on those roads. and jennifer, to stephanie's

point, is there more winter weather in store for california? >> there is. we have another huge system that's coming onshore, as we speak. so more blizzard warnings in effect for the sierra. you can see that in orange. we have winter weather advisories all across, anywhere from the southwest to the rockies to the northern plains. this is going to be a another very impactful storm system. and you can see, pushing in rain across the lower elevations. we will see all snow for the mountains. several more feet of snow expected, all the way through tonight into tomorrow. still coming down. this is wednesday morning. still seeing snow for some of the higher elevations, rain for southern california, and snow for portions of the southwest. look at this. we could see wintry precipitation all the way down into mexico. so this is going to travel very far south. and look at all of this snow. here's your snowfall accumulation. we could see anywhere from say 3 to 4 feet of snow across the

sierra. and that's on top of what has already fallen. and then across the rockies and the southwest, we could see anywhere from 6 to 8 inches, depending on where you are. so the big picture, we are going to see snow for the plains, snow for the west. we have above-average temperatures for the southeast. and looking at the northeast, where we finally got a little bit of snow for some of the big cities, this is exiting. new york city, you're finished with the snow. boston's in it for just a little while longer. the winter storm warnings are basically for interior sections of new england, for the snow that's yet to fall. so, we could see an additional 4 to 6 inches, maybe 8 inches for the higher elevations. but it's remarkable to think that the lack of snowfall that new york city has seen, we've only see a little more than 2 inches for the season. the snow yesterday and today was less than 2 inches. our seasonal average is almost 30 inches, abby. so we are well under where we should be for new york city. we still have march to go. so hopefully we'll get a little bit more snow in there. but just a snowless winter across the northeast. >> yeah, snowless winter in the

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that's the accusation in another damning court filing in the billion-dollar defamation lawsuit against fox news. and it has the company's chair, rupert murdoch, under oath, admitting that numerous hosts endorsed the 2020 election lies, even though they knew that they were baseless. and they did it because they needed it to deliver much-needed ratings. and the conservative media mogul also took explicit steps to make sure that he and the network were helping the trump campaign and the republican party. our cnn's senior media reporter oliver darcy has been tracking all of this and this extraordinary lawsuit. oliver, look, we saw the evidence that fox hosts spread the election lies. they knew that they weren't true. now we have murdoch providing a lot more details about the extent of it. in this latest filing, it really shows that this is tlhere is knowledge at the top of the fox structure about what was going

on there and they knew that it wasn't true. >> that's exactly right, abby. it exposes fox, it continues to expose fox for the dishonest organization that it is and it starts at the very top with rupert murdoch, who is of course the fox corporation chair and the boss behind the whole network. in this legal filing, we have now our first look at rupert murdoch's deposition that was taken by dominion last month. and in it, he acknowledges that his top hosts, people like sean hannity, jeanine pirro, maria bartiromo, that they endorsed -- that's the language that he used -- that they endorsed some of trump's election lies, despite them knowing and him knowing that they were not true. this is a big deal, because fox has really been arguing that the hosts maybe didn't endorse it, but they gave -- they allowed commentators to come on the air and make some of these remarks, as part of a news coverage of trump's election lies.

but murdoch himself is saying, no, they endorsed these lies. and elsewhere, you know, in private e-mails that dominion has obtained, for instance, murdoch is calling those lies, he says they're damaging to the country. he at one point referred to them as bs. so it's very clear that behind the scenes, fox executives, fox stars knew that these lies were not true, but they continued to peddle it to their viewers, and it seems, because of a financial incentive. >> yeah, they were concerned about their competitors who were in that moment being endorsed by trump, siphoning viewers away. you know, oliver, the other part of this is the way that these filings seem to show that this organization, fox, was really gearing themselves towards helping the trump campaign, the republican party, they talked about, you know, their efforts to help republicans win the senate, focusing on the runoff campaigns. tell us about all of that.

>> yeah, there's so many revelations, abby, in this filing, it's impossible to detail it in one segment. but there are a few i want to highlight. first is rupert murdoch himself, admitting that this was about the money. he was asked in a deposition, i'll read to you from it, about why he allowed mike lindell, the my pillow conspiracy theorist to go on tucker carlson's program. and murdoch answered very candidly, surprisingly, in this deposition, saying, it is not red or blue, it is green. green as in money. as to why he allowed mike lindell to go on tucker carlson's program. in another part, dominion's filing, he uncovers -- or they uncover that murdoch asked fox news ceo suzanne scott if she could ask host sean hannity if he could say something

supportive of lindsey graham. quote, we cannot lose the senate if at all possible, and that also jives with the fact that murdoch, in the previous filing, was uncovered to have said that she needed -- suzanne scott gi s also senate ection. and another revelation from this filing here is that murdoch gave jared ckushner, apparently, confidential information about biden's ads before the republican and shared debate strategy with jared kushner, who was then a senior adviser to president trump. so really, just striking revelations from this dominion filing. things you normally would not see in an actual news network. these things would normally result in investigations, internally, disciplinary action, but at fox, it was coming from the highest-ranking executives. >> and it seems that the

discipline was meted out to the people who pushed the truth. there were staffers and, you know, talent who were punished for pushing back on the election lies. what have we learned about that? >> that's the shocking thing here, right? so people have asked me, you know, has there been any disciplinary measures against the people who were allowing this lying to happen on fox's air? and it seems that the hoopposit was happening. the liars haven't been punished. they're still on prime-time at fox. they're holding high-ranking positions like being ceo of fox news. the people who were seemingly punished were the people trying to tell the truth. in this filing, it's revealed that bill salomon, the knox news d.c. bureau dhchief, murdoch suggested that he should be fired because he oversaw that call, when fox news called arizona for joe biden, before anyone else, that effectively gave joe biden the election. so murdoch said, we should maybe

fire this guy, and suggested that it would be a good show of faith to the trump supporters. and so, that's really what's shocking here, is that the people who are lying are still in their positions, people like bill salal salmon, who seemingl wanted to deliver the news and tell the truth, they have been let go or reprimanded. >> yeah, it is really shocking. that's probably the best way to describe it, but also, really reveals, i think, what a lot of people see when they watch fox, as well. oliver darcy, thanks for all of that. and let's get some more on this from former u.s. attorney, harry lipman. so harry, all of that we just went through with oliver is pretty damning in a lot of ways. you have top fox executives and anchors, they're admitting that they knowingly lied on the air. you have evidence of staffers who pushed back on those lies were punished. proof that the directive was coming from the top of the network, and it was to help trump. and you have testimony that it wasn't about the truth, it was about ratings and it was about

money. so, putting all of these together, this is a defamation case. they have to -- dominion has to prove that fox news that they disregarded the truth. are they going to be able to do that in this case? >> yeah, i think so. and as you suggest, it's a really rare and hard burden. since the supreme court put that requirement in place, it's almost never happens that somebody can beat a big media defendant like this. but, as oliver, he made a very good tour of big details here. rupert murdoch essentially throwing several reporters under the train. the entire organization knows that it's a lie and they continue to push it. as he also detailed, you know, they're basically acting not as a news organization, but as an arm of the republican party. so it's all revealing and stunning, as you say, it's also totally down the middle for the

legal claim they're making, because we know it's false and it really will come down to, did they know it's false? and this most recent filing has vivid details, especially including murdoch, who oddly is ready to give up on a lot of reporters, but wants to say that fox itself didn't do that. that's not sort of a legal distinction. and dominion, i think, will get to trial in a couple of months and will be able to prove, it seems, an overwhelming case, that fox news and at a minimum was reckless about that. and also counts under the law that it was spreading falsehoods that translates into defamation. >> all right, harry lipman, you gave us a lot to chew on there. thank you for breaking all of that down for us. and today, florida governor ron desantis is kicking off his book tour ahead of an expected 2024 white house run. and now we are learning that he is set to visit three early

stops next month on the republican primary calendar. iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. and this comes as he uses the full force of his office to pick major political fights involving everything from disney to diversity initiatives. so, to discuss all of this, we have with us, cnn chief washington correspondent, the one and only, jake tapper. jake, thanks for being here. look, desantis moves are super fascinating. he's clearly laying a groundwork for running for president without actually running for president. and it's the culture wars that are at the heart of it. all of this stuff, the disney part of it, taking on the college board, taking on the idea of diversity initiatives writ large, it may play well in florida. i wonder, what do you think. does it play well outside of his home state? >> i think it plays very well with republican voters, base voters, and that is his primary focus right now. not only to sell books, but

also, if he does, in fact, launch a nationwide campaign. i mean, polls indicate that he is the second-most popular republican presidential candidate, were he to run. second only to donald trump. he's competitive with donald trump in that sense. he's in double digits. and these issues are ones that those voters really care about and like him for. i mean, florida is, i think it's fair to say, a red state now as opposed to what it was 10, 20 years ago. but one of the reasons is because of republicans like ron desantis. i mean, you remember, he barely won election in 2018. and then he won with almost 60% of the vote last november. so he's doing a decent job, normally, of selling himself to more traditionally democratic voters, but also maybe even bringing some people into the republican party. >> i mean, the other part of this that is also fascinating to

me is that this is being put under the umbrella of freedom, right? but you have some conservatives like former vice president mike pence saying, look, this is not my version of freedom. i mean, we don't want the government telling you what you can and cannot learn. do you think that that argument is really going to go far in today's republican party? >> it's tough to say. i mean, i think that there is a lot of fodder for conservatives on that subject. for example, if the democrats are going to have their convention in georgia in 2024, why couldn't the major league baseball all-star game be held there a few years ago after that new voting legislation passed. so i think that there is an opportunity there for conservatives to say that corporations are getting too political. by the same token, the disney situation is also different, because disney started off with

this special territory that they got to self-govern. so it wasn't like they were being penalized from something that every other corporation and company in florida had. it's some sort of special dispensation that was taken away. but, you know, as you note, abby, vice president mike pence disagrees and i think there is going to be a robust debate within the republican party and the primary about what exactly conservatism. is it letting companies run themselves without the push back from the government? or is it good to have a fighter in there, representing the conservative cause, which is, i think, how desantis is positioning himself. >> yeah. so much to watch there. but the real reason that you are are gracing our screens right now, you got a really interesting sit-down interview tonight with bill maher, the comedian, who is known to be a pretty controversial figure. and he talks to you a little bit about how he approaches that,

actually given all of this culture war context. the interview airs tonight at 9:00. tell us a little bit about it. >> he's interesting because he is somebody who has -- he's a liberal, he describes himself as a liberal, generally speaking, but he's obviously annoyed a lot of people on the left, those that he would describe as part of the woke team. that's how he would put it. and as a viewer, i've noticed that sometimes during his show in the past, he would be heckled -- not heckled, but people would boo or hiss, not a lot of people, but some people in his audience, and we talked a little bit about that among many other topics. take a look. >> and there are people who actually say to me now, i miss the days when you used to fight with the audience. well, maybe you do, but i don't. you know? but i was never one of those comics who could just pretend, oh, i'm sorry, i must have made a mistake there. i was like, no, i didn't make a mistake, stop groaning, get the stick out of your [ bleep ]. i must have said that 20 times

on my show. and when the pandemic came around, first, we debidn't have any audience and then we shot here and when we came back, we were allowed to have half the audiences because of social distancing, and they just weeded out the people who were groaning. and i would say in the last three, four years, i have never had that problem again and it is such a pleasure. my audience who comes to my show now understands me, they think like me, they have open minds, they're not woke. they're generally liberal, but they can be conservative, too. and we have a great time. and there's no groaning. and i love it. but look, any comic in this era, anybody in this era can absolutely fall off the ledge at any point. it makes me laugh when people say to me, you know, you're uncancellable. are you kidding? in two seconds, i could get canceled. anybody could. >> we talked a lot about that, we talked about the state of the democratic party, state of the republican party, state of comedy today. it was a very interesting

conversation. obviously, he's somebody that has something to say that will piss off everybody. but also, he, you know, is one of the preeminent political comics of our time, if not the -- you know, the most eminent, just in terms of just specifically political comedy. and of course, he works at hbo max, which is our sister channel. so it was a really interesting conversation. >> i'm looking forward to it. i do wonder how much bleeping we're in for tonight. >> no bleeps! i said no bleeps! we're not governed by the fcc. we're cable, abby! we can say what the -- whatever the "f" we want to. >> it's 1:00 in the afternoon. jake tapper, thank you very much. >> fair enough. >> you can watch jake's interview with bill maher tonight on c cnn at 9:00 p.m. eastern, pririme-time. wee will be right back. forever.

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any moment now, president biden will head to virginia beach to talk up his health care agenda. and he's also expected to criticize congressional republicans for seeking to cut programs like medicaid and the affordable care act. cnn white house reporter priscilla alvarez is in virginia beach, where president biden will be very shortly. priscilla, what are wei iexpectg to hear today?

>> we expect president biden to continue to hammer republicans over their previous proposals to make cuts to essential programs like the affordable care act and medicaid. and of course, these remarks come against the backdrop of what is an anticipated showdown over the debt ceiling in the coming months. now, the white house has been leaning into those previous or at least the gop calls to make spending cuts in their negotiations over the debt ceiling. but they haven't given concrete proposals. and in the absence of that, we're expecting president biden to talk about the impacts of some of the cuts that have come up before. again, two of those essential programs, like the affordable care act, where president biden is expected to talk about the millions of americans who could lose health care, should that go away, as well as medicaid. now, of course, we should note, the republicans haven't been actively pushing for a repeal of the affordable care act for some time. but with the president's budget expected to drop very soon and in the absence of any proposals from the gop, that's where we'll

see president biden leaning in today in his remarks, as he tries to further the theme of the state of the union, that he's going to finish the job. but also, as he emphasizes the importance of affordable health care. abby? >> all right. priscilla alvarez, thanks for all of that reporting. with me now is keisha lance bottoms, she's the senior adviser to president biden for public engagement. thank you very much for joining us. tell us a little bit, what are we expecting to hear from the president in virginia today? >> well, what the president will remind people, abby, is what's at stake if the affordable care act is put back on the chopping block. what we're potentially facing, more than 100 million people with preexisting health conditions, having their coverage cut. tens of millions of people could see their precipitation drug coverage cut back. 40 million people with health insurance in this country today potentially could see that go away. over 7 million seniors and

people with disabilities could see their home care, nursing care cut back. there's so much at stake. and unfortunately, what's old is often new. we have seen maga republicans put the affordable care act on the table, on the chopping block, time and time again. and the president is going to remind people the catastrophic results that this country could face if there are cuts to this program. >> and i do want to ask you about that, because i think priscilla really laid it out well. you know, i understand that these proposals -- some proposals like this have been on the table in the past, but there really is no indication that they're on the table right now. is it really constructive to focus on things that were brought up years ago if they're not currently part of the talks? >> well, when you say that this has been put up for a vote more than 50 times when maga republicans have voted more than 50 times to cut this program, then it's certainly important to

remind people, especially of when we know that we don't have anything else from leader mck mccarthy and other republicans to consider. we have to assume that potentially the affordable care act will be back on the table. and again, people have to remember how important this program is. this impacts millions upon millions of people who rely on medicare, social security, who we lie on medicare. these are important programs to everyday working american people, and so the president is taking his case right to the american people and hopefully by sharing this message with people across virginia and across the country, then hopefully this will not be on the table, but it's certainly worth a discussion at this point. >> well, look, the treasury secretary, janet yellen said just monday that these extraordinary measures that they're taking to extend the debt limit will expire in early june. that means, really, the talks

should be happening right now. when can we expect the president to sit down, once again, with congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle and hammer out an actual way forward on the debt limit and also to address some of the bipartisan concerns about spending and the long-term financial future of the country. >> well, abby, you know the president invited speaker mccarthy over to the white house to have a discussion. those lines of communication are still open. the president has made an entire career based on being able to get things done in a bipartisan manner. it's important to remind people that the debt ceiling has been raised repeatedly. many more times under republican presidents than not. and the president is very interested in having meaningful discussions with leaders of the republican party. but there are some things that he just will not compromise on. he will not compromise on social security. he will not compromise on cutting medicare coverage. he will not compromise on

cutting medicaid coverage. he will not compromise on these things that will impact millions of people across this country. but he's willing to have these discussions, but the republican congressional leaders have to come with a plan. it's not enough when you are in leadership to say, i am against everything that you are for. we are still waiting on a plan from these leaders. >> okay, i have to ask you, today, the supreme court is taking up two challenges to president biden's student loan forgiveness program. 26 million people have applied, 16 million were approved. that's a lot of people who are in limbo right now. what do they do if the court strikes this down? and i wonder if, you know, if you think that it's fair to say that perhaps they were given false hope putting this program into place. it was struck down after the president himself was the one who said, he didn't have the

power to do so. >> well, i don't think at all it was giving people false hope. what we saw the president do with the power of the pen through executive authority was to grant relief to millions of people across this country. millions of people automatically qualified. millions of people applied for this debt relief. and the president will encourage people to rely, to speak out, stay in touch with your congressional leaders, because we have to remember this relief will impact people mostly who are already working, who make less than $75,000 a year. this relief will impact independents, republicans, democrats across the board. so it would be great if congress would join in making sure that this relief stays in play. so we just encourage people to please reach out to your congressional leaders and remind them how important this is to everyday working people across

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vladimir putin delivered a major speech a short time ago to the fsb. that is russia's federal security service. putin admitted that members of the fsb have actually been killed in ukraine and he urged the intelligence agency to step up its work to counter western spy agencies. that speech comes as intense fighting continues around the town of bakhmut in eastern ukr ukraine. >> ukrainian forces say that the situation is getting dire and they are running out of ammunition. let's bring in steve hall. he's a national security analyst and a former cia chief of russia operations. so, steve, i wonder, what was your takeaway from putin's speech this morning? was the point here to kind of rally the troops at a really tough moment in this war? >> yeah, certainly, that's part of it. there's a lot going on in this speech, a lot that putin wanted

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