a little while to have better investment throughout the city. >> she's a member of two, count them two minority groups in the political sense. and that's why i've been so disappointed in her because she hasn't really come through nearly as well as i had hoped she would. >> reporter: and that last voter is someone who is crucial in this, he told me he was -- he voted enthusiastically for mayor lori lightfoot in 2019. this time around, he's changing his vote to another one of -- who is seen as the major contenders, jesus chuy garcia. paul valles, a former school ceo in philadelphia is one of the front-runners endorsed by the police union here with a cook county commissioner endorsed by the teachers union. today is the day we figure out who the top two will be. >> omar jimenez, you'll be

following all of this for us. thank you. top of a brand-new hour on "cnn newsroom." good to have you. i'm victor blackwell. >> i'll bianna golodryga. the supreme court just finished hearing oral arguments in two cases challenging president biden's student loan forgiveness plan. the decision could affect 40 million borrowers. the program, which would provide up to $20,000 of debt forgiveness has been on hold after a lower court blocked it back in november. >> conservatives challenging the program argue it will have widespread economic repercussions. the congressional budget office estimated it will cost $400 billion over time, but justice ketanji brown jackson argued one of the largest servicers of student loans, mohela in missouri, is not a government entity. >> in fact, isn't that really as you say the most important thing if economic injury is the point?

>> yes. >> i understood that the injury that was being asserted here was an economic injury, but if we look at mohela and we see that its financial interests are totally disentangled from the state, it stands alone, it is incorporated separately, the state is not liable for anything that happens to mohela, i don't know how that could possibly be a reason to say that an injury to mohela should count as an injury to the state. >> let's bring in cnn's ariane de vogue and rene marsh. we're throwing around an acronym here, mohela, we'll start with you, key takeaways of today's arguments. >> right, coming out of oral arguments that ended after more than three hours, it was clear to me that this is an uphill battle for biden. i counted five conservative justices who really seemed skeptical of whether or not this plan is legal.

most of their arguments were around whether or not something like this needed congressional authorization. as chief justice john roberts said, has to do with a half trillion dollars, millions of americans, he really suggested that. they also had concerns with, look, maybe in a time of emergency this was executive overreach, but also they had another point, and they just really talked about basic fairness, what about people who paid their loans? what about people who didn't get loans because they knew they couldn't pay for them? listen to conservative justice neil gorsuch on that particular point. >> when i think they argue that is missing is cost to other persons in terms of fairness, for example. people who paid their loans, people who don't have -- plan their lives around not seeking loans and people who are not eligible for loans in the first place and that half a trillion dollars is being diverted to one group of favored persons over others. >> but there was one other big

question before the court, and that goes to what you were saying about mohela. the question is whether or not the states in the first place can bring this challenge. whether or not they can show they have the injury. the reason that's important is because if they can't show such an injury, then the case would get dismissed and the plan with go into effect. that's why you saw jackson pushing on some of their theories of standing, but one thing she also really talked about is, look, we can't allow states, every time they object to the policy of a president from a different party to be able to come in and bring a policy to a stand still. that was her concern. she thought here that the states didn't have the right to be in court. but there did not seem like there were five justices behind her, and the liberals on this, we'll see, you never know after oral arguments, but that's where things stand. meanwhile, you've got millions of student borrowers who are just waiting here, wondering if they're going to be able to get

this kind of relief. >> and, meantime, renee, some of those people and students were outside the supreme court. you were covering some of the demonstrations there in response to this. what has been the reaction among some of those protesters? >> they certainly do feel like they're in limbo as the arguments were going on inside. outside were the people who are going to be impacted in very real ways once the supreme court hands down its decision. i mean, i spoke to a number of people in the crowd, people who were currently students, people who have graduated, people who have grandparents, on fixed incomes, and they have had their benefits garnished in order to pay loans that they have defaulted on. so it runs the gamut. it is a multigenerational issue here. and not only people who have left college and have started to receive those bills before this pause went into play, but i even spoke with students who are first year college students, already worrying about what they will do once they graduate.

take a listen. >> kind of broke, i don't really got it. and honestly the movement for this supports people in the same financial situation as me. and that's really something that i want to support because i know i'm definitely not the only one that has that creeping type of feeling about who is going to pay my debts or where i got to get a loan or type of payment plan. >> so we won't get a decision today. we're expecting that later down in the year, sometime this summer. but everyone out there really had a handle and grasp on the fact that this case isn't just about student loans, it is about their financial future, their future financial freedom, and ultimately the trajectory of their lives for years to come. >> rene marsh, aryiane de vogue thank you for your reporting.

jessica, good to have you. you say this is just flat out unconstitutional. tell us why. >> thank you for having me my colleagues at pacific legal and i believe this is unconstitutional because under our system of government, congress is supposed to pass the laws and that didn't happen here. the presidential administration decided to unilaterally, behind closed doors, create this policy, after congress had already considered passing the policy, and unsatisfied with the democratic process, the president issued this policy be a press release and it will cost nearly half a trillion dollars and a policy of this political and economic magnitude should come from congress. >> so the administration, no surprise, is arguing that you lack standing and they point to a 2003 law, the heroes act, that gives the education department the authority to wipe out debt. so, how do you counter that as

unconstitutional? >> sure, and so that was some of the arguments that the supreme court wrestled with today. so, with one thing, there has been a recent trend at the supreme court, particularly in the covid-19 litigation, to employ what is called the major questions doctrine, which whenever an administrative agency creates a radical new policy, especially out of an older law, they require that congress speaks specifically to the power that the executive branch is exercising and defines that power. and here it is not a great fit. the heroes act was passed in 2003 to help service members who deployed to fight wars after 9/11. and here due to the covid-19 emergency, the department of education is granting debt relief to 95% of all borrowers. >> so, you say the major

questions philosophy that the court has engaged on older laws, this was passed in 2003, let me read a bit of it here, it gives the secretary of education the power to wave or modify federal student program, loan program, to ensure that individuals, quote, are not placed in a worse position financially because of a war or other military operation or national emergency. i want you to listen to the secretary of education on this -- the covid pandemic being that national emergency. here he is. >> once in 100 year pandemic that shut down our country for some time, and to me, that's a national emergency. i can't recall any other time as an educator where we had the impact in our schools, our businesses. let's face it. we have -- the government has helped co ed corporations in th. we provided funding for small businesses to help them get back on their feet after this pandemic. why is it that people are fighting it when we're helping

blue collar americans, veterans like the one you saw, get back on their feet? >> justice kagan says that they sometimes have to decipher maybe obscure laws that congress spoke here, it is very clear, what is your reaction to what you're hearing from secretary cardona? >> so, there are three interesting arguments that the parties opposed to the loan forgiveness program made in regards to the heroes act. first, that congress knows how to forgive or dismiss loans, and they have done so through other programs such as the public service loan forgiveness or the income-based repayment programs, which will discharge debt after a certain number of payments or even zeroed out payments. another thing is that not to be -- put into a worse situation, there are many borrowers who will be put into a better situation than they were before the covid pandemic. and finally, you know, the emergency of covid-19 by the

time that this policy was implemented had very much been alleviated and even the president had declared that covid was over. and so, this emergency authorization based on covid can only stretch so far and many justices seemed inclined to think that that had been stretched too far here. >> it appears the majority of the justices view it that way as we heard from our reporting there. we shall see what they ultimately decide. jessica thompson, very important issue, one in five americans holds student debt. thank you so much. well, today, top biden official told a house panel that, quote, in many ways china has been supporting russia's war in ukraine from the beginning. even if it hasn't provided lethal aid. >> that candid assessment from the undersecretary alan estevez highlights one of the many issues likely to take center stage at a primetime hearing tonight. a house select committee is holding a hearing on china amid

growing tensions with the u.s. cnn's natasha bertrand is with us now. tell us more about what to expect this evening. >> yeah. so this is really the first primetime hearing that a gop-led committee has had since the republican party took over the house in january. and they really want this to be a bipartisan look at the threats they say that china poses to the united states. and it is really going to touch upon a broad range of topics because, of course, we have seen a number of irritants in the u.s./china relationship over the last several weeks, including, of course, the chinese spy balloon that is definitely going to be a subject of discussion during this hearing, as well as china's ties to russia. we had senior u.s. officials warn repeatedly in recent weeks that china is considering providing lethal aid to russia for the war in ukraine. just this week, president biden issued a memorandum to federal agencies ordering them ban the chinese app tiktok from federal devices within 30 days. and, of course, now just this

week as well we learned that there are new questions about the origins of covid-19 and where it actually began and how. so, of course, these are all things that are going to come up tonight in this hearing, but really the big picture is that this committee, this house select committee on china wants to take a bipartisan look at managing competition with china, at focusing on its military rise, and at trying to figure out how to decouple the united states economy from the chinese economy. the top two members on that panel say that it has been a mistake, essentially, to bring china into the global economy the way that the united states and the west have done. so, this is going to be one of a series of hearings that this committee is going to hold over the next two years, taking a serious look at what they say is the serious national security risk that china's rise poses to the united states. >> natasha bertrand, thank you so much. congressman nick walada is a republican from new york, serves

on the house armed services and security committees. thank you for joining us. so over the weekend we heard the cia director say in an interview that the chinese president xi has instructed his military to be prepared by 2027 to invade taiwan. an ultimate decision has not been made. but having said that, i want you to listen to what the commanding general of the u.s. army pacific and the army secretary said about the state of the u.s. military yesterday. >> the military arm that they have created is extraordinary. they are rehearsing, they are practicing, they are experimenting. and they are preparing those forces for something. >> i personally am not of the view that, you know, an amphibious invasion of taiwan is imminent. but we have to obviously prepare. we have got to be prepared to fight and win that war and i think the best way we avoid fighting that war is by showing the prc and countries in the region that we can actually win

that war. >> there you heard a bit of a description of where chinese -- the military stands right now and where the u.s. military is. you served in the pacific, you sit on the house armed services committee. i'm curious, from your perspective, is the u.s. military where it needs to be in order to be a strong enough deterrent to prevent china from invading taiwan? >> yeah, so, in 2006, as a young naval officer, i deployed to taiwan where i started to understand the strategic importance of our alliance between the united states and taiwan, specifically countering this sort of chinese aggression, which has only gotten worse in the 15 or 16 years since i visited there last. i think the house armed services committee, the congress and the nation need to continue to invest in our nation's military fighting men and women so we can either deter the next conflict or win it if god forbid we have to go to it. >> are we ready to be that deterrent as of today? >> we need to continue to work

on it. each day our nation's adversaries are innovating and preparing every day to defeat us. they're closing the gap on technology, especially. we need to provide a strong investment into our military. every day, right now the committee is work on our ndaa, our nation's investment in our nation's military. that intends to be a robust investment to deter adversaries like china, like iran, to ensure that we protect americans abroad and at home. >> speaking of technologies, the u.s. black listed today 12 chinese entities for providing dual use technology for russia. that obviously lays into this big question of whether or not china will indeed provide russia with lethal aid despite the aid they have already been providing russia. what should the u.s. response be if that does in fact happen? >> we wanted to defer conflict, first and foremost. there is a number of ways to do that. economically is one way.

diplomatically is another. the state department has a lot of work to do to ensure that our nation's adversaries, china, iran, russia, are taking america very seriously when america speaks, they should take us seriously. when they see our ships stationed off of their coast, they should especially take us seriously as well. the administration needs to do everything possible to ensure that meamerica's adversaries ta us quite seriously. >> adam smith said today that giving ukraine f-16 fighter jets is currently, quote, not a wise use of resources. do you agree with him? >> so what i think needs to happen in ukraine is a balanced investment of america's taxpayers investment as well as the europeans. right now it is disproportionate. public resources suggest that the united states has spent $30 billion there while our european partners have only spent $20 billion. that's a disproportionate investment of the administration needs to tackle right away. this is a worldwide problem, but

first and foremost a european problem. the investment needs to be more balanced. >> on the f-16s specifically, do you agree with him that now is not the time to provide ukraine with them? >> yeah, i need to talk with more of the generals and admirals about the tactical situation on the ground there. i'm not ready to commit to a position on that. >> let me turn back to the issue of china. the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee introduced legislation that would ban tiktok. i know you supported that move in the past. you said tiktok pauses grave concerns to our national security. given the committees that you sit on, and the information that you have access to, can you explain specifically how tiktok could pose a threat to the united states national security? >> yeah, so we saw that chinese spy balloon fly across the united states. and we know that chinese are spying on us overtly and doing it covertly through technology. they're also gobbling up tracks of lands across our nation. we need to be vigilant, we need to be able to deter and just

prevent the chinese from being able to invade us in numerous different ways, invade our technology, to harm our sovereignty. tiktok is just a tip of the iceberg on what china is trying to do to prevent and disrupt our national security. >> have you been made privy to what exactly it is they're trying to do? >> yes. yes, i have. and it causes me great concern. it is one of the things that keeps me up at night. >> anything you can share with our viewers? as you know, tiktok is very popular amongst millions of americans. >> i don't mean to make a joke of this, but my 13-year-old is upset with my position on tiktok. like you suggested, folks have learned to rely on it. americans should take it very seriously. there are hundreds of other apps that americans should explore rather than the one promoted and maintained by the chinese communist party. we should get off tiktok right away. >> no information that you're willing to share with us today, though? >> no. not now. >> okay, let me finally ask you about more close to home politics. and that relates to george santos.

you've been quite vocal about him and your view he needs to resign. he's facing multiple investigations as you know. you called him a sociopath. you're pushing now for his expulsion. this week you described him as democrats' best friend and ally. you went on to say, what he's done is given the democrats wind in their sails, has taken away our ability as republicans to speak about our commitment to america and we're looking forward to him leaving the house. why isn't kevin mccarthy echoing the same call that you are? >> i think there is a number of victims in george santos' scam. first and foremost, the voters in his district, my fellow l congress. i think it is the people who he financially scammed to get contributions. but it is the entire republican conference here in congress who has been scammed as well. we don't get to come on programs and talk about our commitment to america. instead we're asked about this scam that he's pulled as well. leadership has made strides in this. first and foremost, we were the first to come out against george santos, those numbers grew to

all five republican freshmen from long island. now they're about ten house republicans who have publicly called for his resignation. a couple of weeks ago when i approached leadership and a few of us, all five house republican freshmen from long island asked them to pay more attention to this, couple of days later he was removed from committees. he said he did it voluntarily, i credit leadership for being proactive and listening to us. i expect more of that going forward. >> are you satisfied with leadership right now in that they're not calling for his removal? >> if you look at what democrats are doing right now, democrats sponsored a bill to remove him. and the five of us said we would support that bill. but that bill only has 27 house democrats supporting it. that's only 13% of the house democrat conference. i think the better question is why aren't the democrats unified to remove george santos? the answer is they know he is a distraction. and i expect the ranks of republicans to only grow the more time that goes by. >> congressman nick lalota,

thank you for your time. >> thank you. now to virginia beach. president biden is giving a speech, he's talking about the debt ceiling now. >> without preconditions, without a crisis. if they paid the american debt then, why in god's name are they threatening not to pay it now? [ applause ] for folks, it is not all the other team. i'm not saying everybody on the other team says that. but it is just politics. we got no business playing politics with the lives for the american people and our nation's economy. folks, by the way, you know, you hear ads of the big spending joe biden. in two years, i reduced the debt $1.7 billion. $1.7 billion. the largest deficit reduction in american history.

i met with the new house speaker, but not a bad guy, about how we should proceed to settle our differences without jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the united states of america which would be a disaster in terms of our economy. here's what he said. what i said to him, actually. instead of making threats about default, which could be catastrophic, even if it doesn't happen because the markets around the world began to hedge against it, let's take that off the table. and let's have a conversation about how we're going to grow the economy, lower the cost and reduce deficit, each of us. i said, let's lay out our respective budgets. i'm going to lay down in detail every single thing, every tax out there, that i'm proposing, and no one over -- lay it out by march 9th, everything. and what we're going to cut, what we're going to spend, what we're going to do, lay it on the table. and i've invited them,

republicans, they should do the same thing. lay their proposal on the table. and we can sit down and we can agree, disagree, we can fight it out. when i introduced my budget, you'll see that it is going to invest in america lower health costs and protect the strength of social security while cutting the deficit more than $2 trillion over the next ten years. [ applause ] by the way -- i want to make it clear, i'm going to raise some taxes. many of you are billionaires out there, you're going to stop paying 3%. not a joke. the idea that a billionaire, we used to have 600 or so in the united states of america. now there is 1,000. the idea that they pay at a rate that is lower than the rate of a police officer, a schoolteacher, a nurse, is bizarre. you're going to see the people making less thanhe very

beginning will not pay an attentional single penny in any tax. [ applause ] if i can hold a second -- one reason i was able to keep the debt down this time around, the fortune 500 companies. they're good companies. by the way, i come from the corporate capital of the world. delaware. more corporations are incorporating in the state of delaware than every other state in america combined. i got elected 36 years worth. i'm not anticorporation, i think everybody should pay or take your fair shot, pay your fair share. now, look, here's the deal. the reason i was able to lower the deficit and still expand programs, like healthcare, was there were 55 corporations in 2020 when i came to office who made $40 billion and didn't pay a single penny in tax, not one penny. well, guess what, i did a

terrible thing. i got passed overwhelmingly by just my team's vote. i got passed a 15% tax. my god, 15%. raise your hand if you accept a 15% tax. no, i'm not joking. raise enough money to allow me to do the things i've been able to do. 15% minimum tax. like i said, $40 billion in profit, that's just 55 corporations, paying zero. as for my maga republican friends, they say they want to reduce the deficit. we did the math. based en what we know so far, they could change their minds, their plans would explode the deficit, increasing it more than $3 trillion over the next ten years. they wanted to cut taxes for the very wealthy. again. and they want to cut taxes for large corporations.

want to take back the power we just gave medicare and medicaid to negotiate, which raised prices. and would have a huge giveaway to big pharma and cost taxpayers billions of dollars. and if they say they want to cut the deficit, but their plans actually would explode the deficit, how are they going to make the numbers add up. what are they going to cut? that's the big question. for millions of americans, healthcare hangs in the balance. well, they continue to fight, cut at affordable care act. and make health insurance more expensive for millions of americans. republicans have been trying to undo the affordable care act since it passed, 13 years ago. they voted to change and repeal the act, a fact, more than 50 times in four years that it existed. 50 times. and they made repealing it part of a virtually every republican budget since the law was passed. from the trump administration

budgets to congressional budgets, to the budget plans for just this past year. let's be clear about the consequences. get rid of the affordable care act, would mean that more than 100 million americans with pre-existing conditions would lose the critical protects they have now. the only reason people with pre-existing conditions are able to pay is because they have the affordable care act. >> just been listening to the president speaking in virginia beach there, virginia, warning people about the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling, which he says it has been done repeatedly in the past. he also said that he will be coming out with his budget march 9th. that is next week. and already warned there would be some tax increases there and now sort of putting the ball in republicans' court saying show us some of the details in your budget as well. >> the republicans obviously said in order to raise the debt ceiling, they want some cuts. the question is what will those cuts be and can speaker mccarthy

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someone, they haven't said who, some sort of cybercriminal group was able to break into one of their computer systems and lock up some of the data, and then also steal it. so it is what is known as a double extortion method, they have not only data to try to demand a ransom, but also encrypted the system. we don't know if there was a ransom that was demanded. the marshals service and the fbi counsel people not to pay the ransom. it would be ironic if they were considering paying the ransom. we don't have any evidence of that. and i've been on the dark web forums today, looking for claims of responsibility, and haven't seen anything to that effect. normally a group dumps the data and names the victim, if that victim hasn't paid. that may be yet to happen. but, like you said, this is a second sizable cyber incident to be disclosed in the last few weeks, involving federal law

enforcement. we broke the news a few weeks ago on the fbi dealing with a malicious cyberincident that we reported affected some of the bureau's computers that deal with child pornography. so, this is something that they're working to contain and it has been -- just an example of how this is something that the federal agencies prosecute and they're going after these people, but they also have to deal with them going after their own networks, victor and bianna. >> no indication yet whether it is a nation state or private end entity, but very troubling. thank you. after months of requests, the doj is set to brief top congressional leaders on the classified documents found at trump and biden and pence's homes. details next. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed.

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