>> the faa now investigating the fifth runway near miss this year. this one was at boston's international airport. a private jet started to take off, without clearance. this is last night, while a jetblue flight was preparing to land on intersecting runway. according to flight radar 24, the two planes came within 565 feet of each other. here's the air traffic control recording. >> lined -- . this is 65 -- or maintaining a rate of 6000. >> we're heading up to -- so, sitting at the altitude. >> 3000. >> 3000, f 206. >> i like the calm there. this scare in boston was just a day after a close call between two commercial planes in burbank california. and a few weeks ago, you will remember in honolulu, a united

airlines 777 jet crossed a runway as a smaller cargo plane was landing. and then days before that, an american airlines flight at jfk crossed in front of a delta plane trying to take off. and then there is the near miss in austin, where a fedex plane almost landed on top of a southwest flight. i want to bring in our aviation expert david soucie, who has tried to make me feel better about these things. but david, i'm starting to think these are not all anomalies. it's going to feel like there's one of these a week that we report on. >> it seems like they are a lot more often. and that's only because they are more often right now. if you look at the traffic that's going on in boston right now, boston is at 12,000 flights in january 2021. and now it's come up to 29,000 into january 2023. so, it's nearly three times as much traffic. and they're spacing the airplanes a lot closer together to try to get them out faster.

this particular one, alisyn, to make you feel more comfortable this one, because this was a mistake that was made by the pilot. and it was caught by air traffic control, which is their job. so, they were able to catch it. >> okay, i guess that makes me feel better. the mistake by the pilot doesn't make me feel that great. but why is there so much more traffic? are they having three times as many planes as they used to? >> well, it's just the demand. there's more demand. there's more flight. more people traveling. i think it's after covid, post covid everyone is back in the idea that they can just go fly now. so, every flight i've been on has been completely packed in just last few months for sure. and they're just getting more and more packed. so, the only way the airspace system can handle more flights, full flights, is by getting them off the runway faster. so, they just keep getting them off the runway faster. so, they need to slow these things down and get back to what is a sensible rate when we talk about departures. and it may delay it.

it may be where you can't get the flights you want to have at this point. but they have to do something about trying to slow the system down. >> but david, one last question before a bring in the panel. is this -- our way back at the same amount of flights we were pre-covid? or is it even more than that? >> it's actually exceeding what we were plea covid. i know that was an issue for the airlines for a long time. but boston is specifically, if we look at peak of it, they were up around 24,000. but now they're up around 29, 000, just for boston specifically. so we have succeeded what we had before as far as the number seats in the number of passengers moving. >> okay, stick around with us if you will, david. because we will have more questions. join the conversation, we have business was an access reporter -- , former senate candidate joe pinion, and two of our favorite talkers lz granderson and john avlon. yes, it's so true. erica, welcome. so, this one is a little different, as they are just saying. this was a private plane. and it was pilot error.

i don't know why i'm supposed to feel better about that. but don't private planes have to follow the same rules, or i guess not? >> i mean, i would guess so, right. i think the big thing here is as flyers, as consumers, you and i just don't know what's going on. all we see is a story like this every week. and we're seeing more and more them might as people try to break back and travel after covid. i did not even know there's more flights now than there was before covid. all i know is the faa is definitely, you know, understaffed, underfunded, as been reported. the budget in 2022 was 18.5 billion dollars for the faa, which is actually less than it was in 2004 adjusted for inflation. so, we have more flights. you know, we probably need better technology. we're in the 20 twenties. but why is the budget less than it wasn't 2024? >> john, there was a big infrastructure bill that passed. is that supposed to be helping with some of the stuff? >> 25 billion dollars worth of health on the way, allegedly. and look, i think that can obviously address some of the

fundamental issues. technology, that's a problem. to, we have a capacity issue. and as david was saying earlier, this is partly about demand. but that also means we're going have to increase the supply of runways, of airports regionally and other places. but that money has been allocated and part the problem is that none of that is going to take away human error, burrito pilots folks being distracted. and that seems to be the causes of these near misses. >> great point, joe, we do know that. there have been strikes at airlines. picketing, pilots, flight attendants, and they are feeling overworked. >> look, i think to your point, obviously we know that more money would help. but you also have to build a bridge to the future that you seek. so, whether you talk about people who want to reimagine policing, whether talk about individuals who want to deal with the diminished infrastructure that we have four airplanes or the overwork pilots, what is the plan to make sure that people don't end up in a fiery casket on the runway?

>> jesus, fiery casket, wow? hey. now >> i just think again, in this country, no one ever seems to care or take things seriously until people die. so, this airline industry that has been subsidized by the american taxpayer, there it is innovation is making sure you can pay more money to carry your own bag. at some point, we have to ask the hard question, what are you want to prioritize the safety and security of the people that are literally in trusting their family -- >> signing like a democrat joe, i don't know. >> this common sense, at the end of the day, republicans the democrats want to make sure they cannot blow up on their way to grandma's house. >> i agree, you know what, we can all get together and that. >> always grandma's house. >> [laughter] what about grandpa's house? >> what about grandpa's house? >> the house also belongs to grandma's, whether grapple is there or not. >> that's very good advice. i think the other point that joe makes is, yes, we do a good job of being reactive instead of proactive in the sense. >> yes, but that is our culture

about almost everything, our medical system. look at our bridges and roads. look, we know from the american side of civil engineers that much of our infrastructure is in much disarray and needs attention. and we've known that not fair -- >> but we're doing that now, right. isn't this going to change? now >> it's going to change. but the warning signs have been happening for decades, literally decades. they've been saying these bridges need to be repaired, let's do some work on the faa. i just read a story that the irs is still losing technology from the 1950s. and they are understaffed. >> that strategic on the part of some people. but look, the flow through of all of what we're seeing here is too often in america, we wait for crisis to solve a problem. even when the evidence is staring us in the face and we cannot and should not do that when it comes to airline safety. it's been over a decade since a major disaster, thank god. we should not have to wait for. one >> so, david understaffed and underfunded, that does not sound good. and so, is that taking its toll?

or is it the crumbling system that needs updating? >> no, i think it's a little bit about. but we have these plateaus of technology that we've had -- it would've been the faa. and we talk about this new big budget that's come to the faa. that doesn't mean that that money is actually appropriated. this is an important point to make. just because the said, hey, you're gonna get 25 billion dollars this year for this in this, it doesn't mean that money is actually given to the faa. i used to go to congress and plead for money every year when i was with the faa, about 15 years ago, and when i would do, that they would say this is great, i don't want to have to be the congressman that turns us down, because i don't want to be the one standing there saying we had a crash because of me. so, they will say, yeah, let's get this money out there. and they do, and they sign those bills. but when it comes timeo actually appropriate that money and put it into the right pockets, that's where it all falls apart. and that's where we need to have some focus. and this goes back to having an fa a administrative that's in the seat more than just two years or three years or four years. they need to be there for the entire infrastructure and

development. they need to get an administrator that they can keep in there and is not just some kind of political appointment. they need someone who really has the backing behind them to make sure these programs go through, all the way through, and don't just drop. >> yeah, you make an excellent point. stick around, everybody. thank you all for that perspective. next, we've got more on our breaking news, a wrecking political news tonight. cnn projects that chicago mayor laurie lightfoot will not return for a second term. the challengers, paul vallas, a longtime public school chief and cook county commissioner brandon johnson will advance to enable runoff. he army reserve. my retirement funds allow me to enjoy what i love to do. i volunteer with the medical reserve corp. as long as you can make an impact, why stop?

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for mayor but none won more than 50% of the vote, so ballast and johnson will now face off. lightfoot found herself with few hours allies in her bid for a second term. -- the police and teachers union backed other candidates. mayor lightfoot conceding tonight -- >> as we all know, in life, in the end, you don't always win every battle. but you never regret taking on the powerful and bringing in the light. >> [applause] >> to my friends across the country, and my fellow mayors, never fear being brave and bolt. >> okay. so, how did the issues of crime, education and covid play out in this election? let's talk about it and bring back the panel. john, i was just reading that laurie lightfoot is the first incumbent mayor in chicago to lose after one term in 40 years. so, why?

what happened? >> it's a stunning rebuke to her leadership. she seems to have come in third in this sort of nonpartisan open primary they have. but look, i think crime has not gotten better on her watch. that was a big part of her selling point. she was coming in as a prosecutor. there is covid, obviously. there's a lot of controversies, inevitably, for big city mayors. but also, a persistent perception of weakness that alienated a lot of key constituencies, from progressives -- was endorsed by the police union, the other interest by the teachers union, which is particularly powerful in chicago. so, this is being set up as a pretty massive test between the strength of two unions in a city that is still not really gotten its mojo back where it needs to be. >> let's start with crime. i think we have the 2022 year and report. and murder -- i don't know if we have it. but violent crime -- we'll, murder and shootings, actually, believe it or not, ended down.

that's 18% from murder shootings, down 18%. but all the other ones are up -- sexual salt, robbery, aggravated that tree, burglary, theft, vehicle theft and, of course, crime -- all your opponents have to do is that they say that people feel scared. and that resonates with voters. >> yeah, you are seeing it in other cities as well. in new york, crime is a top issue for voters. republicans were running on crime and public safety, able to flick flip how seeds. in san francisco voters outed ousted chase a bouden -- really stuns me though is how much of a flip this. was in 2019, she won all 50 wards of chicago. she got 75% of the, i think it was, and tonight, i think the numbers are 16.4%. i mean, this is crazy. >> and also in 2019, joe, there was this 11 day strike from the teachers. and so, teachers unions did not -- they soured on mayor lightfoot.

>> i think they were hopefully getting away from a kind of politicking by virtue signaling to actually using politics for substantive results for the people. i think in chicago it is a state of emergency. it should be declared as much by the president, by the governor of that state. we have got more children shot by criminals and then we have people who have died nationwide, children, from covid. you look at the reading rates -- they are abysmal. 14% of black children are reading at proficient levels in 11th grade. 14% -- translation, over 80% of the children that are black that live in the city of chicago cannot read at grade level. it is child abuse. so, anyway you want to slice it, from the people who are unsafe, walking the streets, who are basically living in a cocoon of fear in their own living room, chicago needs new leadership. and i think that, hopefully, at this particular point in time, people can come together across political persuasion to say, i don't care who you want to lead, but the brand of leadership that is being provided in chicago and other major cities

in this injunction point in america is just insufficient and unacceptable. >> i just think she did not find a group to supporter. everything you just mentioned, i agree with. having lived with chicago for years, having grown up in detroit with family members in chicago having grown up back and forth -- everything you just said has always been part of chicago. the differences, the mayor has always been able to provide a group of constituents to show up for them. the difference is, this mayor has not been able to -- >> i would add that, because she made it such an integral part of her campaign -- >> they all do -- >> yes and no -- >> robin manual gave beautiful speeches about what he was going to do for this, what he was going to do that. he got in you know what he did? he closed a bunch of schools in the black districts. -- a smart enough to know i need to make sure i take care of the rich people, because they are the ones who are going to fund my campaign and make sure i have enough in my coffers to run for reelection. and that's exactly what happened. >> but ron manual was also

tough in a way that -- this is a city that was famously built by the daly machine. it was famously known as the city that worked. -- it's notable that a person that worked for mayor daly, the sun, ran the school system against somebody who has really gotten the strong backing of the teachers union. that's a pretty epic fight, particularly, to joe's point in a city where union politics and around about education are so pivotable pivotal but also -- >> do you know what else he was? he was really corrupt. >> daley? >> oh, yeah. >> angel came down and say chicago -- >> no, no, no -- there was nothing angelic about richard m. daley -- by the way, one of the greatest columns obit of all-time -- column on richard m. daley -- >> thank you all, very much for that. next, we will talk about how to

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>> the house homeland security committee called a hearing today on immigration and border security. when michigan mother gave emotional testimony about losing two sons to fatal fentanyl overdoses in 2020, as she begged lawmakers to do something to stop deadly drugs from flowing over the u.s. mexico border. >> i had heard of the opioid epidemic. i thought, people are getting prescription drugs and getting

addicted and then getting it on the streets, and that it affects their ability to work. i did not know that people were dying. i did not know that my boys were taking anything that could kill them. they did not think that they were either. they thought that they were safe with pills. now, if we had chinese troops lining up along our southern border with weapons aimed at our people, with weapons of mass destruction aimed at our cities, you darn well know you would do something about it! we have a weather balloon from china going across our country. nobody died! and everybody is freaking out about it. but 100,000 die every year and nothing is being done. not enough is being done. numbers are going up! knocked down. and you talk about children being taken away from their parents?

my children were taken away from me. >> -- back with me is erica pandey, joe pinion, lz granderson, and john avlon. erica pandey, this is awful. she lost two sons to fentanyl. and what is happening, as we all know, is that kids don't know they are taking fentanyl. they are thinking they are taking something else, because these are not labeled as fentanyl. so, her son's, i believe, thought they were taking percocet. and that is, obviously, not as deadly as fentanyl. and there were something like 15,000 pounds of fentanyl last year that customs and border protection seized. what is the answer here? >> so, let's focus on that stat for a second. 15,000 pounds seized last year -- that is enough to kill every single person in this country. so, at the scale of this problem is enormous. there have already been 42 thousands pounds seized this year. and this is not migrants who are traveling -- migrants or asylum seekers who are traveling into this country on foot between ports of entry.

this is not coming from those people. this is coming in tractor-trailers across legal ports of entry. that is where all these drugs are being ceased. and i think these problems are getting conflated. and it is very important to think of these as two distinct issues. and the solutions to the drug smuggling problem is not about asylum seekers or migrants. it is about these high tech scanners that look inside these trucks and can find -- >> we don't have enough of those. you are saying? >> yeah, exactly. >> like, we are just undermanned at the border? >> right. so, experts say we need more tech. we do need not need more handling and hong about migrants and asylum seekers. >> joe? >> i think experts say both. obviously, we know we need more high tech scanners. i think even going back to 9/11 there has been a misallocation of between where the regions are at our border and where the resources are needed. but i think, again, yes, you need to have more scanners. but let's be very clear. we have had 1.2 million people move across our borders and have gotten away since joseph

robinette biden placed his hand -- >> he has not gotten away -- >> those of the gotaways, right? that's different from the actual encounters. but if we are talking about the people who have gotten away -- >> are you talking about people who have never shown up again for court or people who have an upcoming court date? >> i'm talking about gotaways. i'm talking about, every single month, we know there are people who are evading capture. we don't know who they are or where they are coming from. we don't know what they have on their. person so, all these issues are connected. i think, again, the frustration that we have for the american people, the frustrations you hear from that mother, is that this crisis in its totality is not being taken seriously from the actual points of entry to the various points that people are crossing the border. >> yeah. i hear you, but i guess my point is, as erica said, we don't know that they are connected. if they -- >> because, because -- >> isn't that a much easier problem to solve them comprehensive immigration policy, which congress has not been able to use offered a cates? >> certainly, we can get the scanners tomorrow. >> then let's do that. >> but i think the point is, the notion that we are going to

-- >> but we don't ignore it. we just don't say they are the same issue. they are two different issues with two different solutions. >> i think the reality is that to pretend that they are somehow disconnected actually prevents us from getting -- >> well, i'm just trying to find a solution. so, if one solution is having more scanners and having more people scanned a tractor trailers, that seems easier than -- >> okay, but i don't hear president biden standing behind the podium and saying we are would have more scanners tomorrow. >> -- like this is a four year old issue -- this has been going on for much longer than the administration. >> no, but -- >> it has been getting -- worse >> it's getting worse. but let's go back to the beginning and begin to talk about, okay, how did this problem begin? what was happening? then how did it progress? did it was it politicized? -- i don't want to focus in on one administration. because i think what that does is hijack the overall conversation and make it too partisan. this should not be a partisan conversation. >> i think most people agree it should not be partisan. i think, to my point, perspective is, if you are talking about solutions, what can we do today? sure, we can buy more scanners.

we can also secure the border. we can also make sure that we give the u.s. customs and border the support that they have asked for, which is, more people on the ground to help them -- >> but, yeah, i think all of those things happen in tandem. i am not saying that that did not happen when joe biden put his hand on the bible. fentanyl was happening back in 2016 and -- >> -- getting worse today -- >> go ahead, joe. >> the fentanyl spike -- it started spiking in 2020 under trump. it spiked continuously. in fact, in january, they see $4 million of fentanyl through the border, seized at the border through legal points of entry, to your point. and that's where i think, look -- congress should be able to do comprehensive immigration reform. we all know what needs to be done. so today. they do not have the political will to do it because many politicians of extremes on both sides in particular would rather deal demagogue issue then deal with it. when it comes to border crossing, biden spoke exclusively extensively about fentanyl in the state of the union. this is something that should be way beyond partisan politics. and we know that people try to use it as a partisan weapon which, frankly, is this respect

to the dead. and it breaks your heart when you see that mother crying for her children. but it is coming through legal ports of entry. and that should be dealt with a drug interdiction. it's not the same thing as, migrants crossing the border. both are problems with the porous border. but they are fundamentally different in nature. >> i think, look -- let's be very clear. we have the border. we have people who are coming here illegally. that has caused a migrant crisis in major cities from california to florida to new york city. now we have got the mayor of new york city putting people on buses, sending them up to canada. yes, that is a fundamentally different issue. but the point is that if we are going to sit here and pick and choose how we are going to deal with issues on the border, i think that in and of itself is politicized. >> so -- but as a republican, do you encourage your colleagues to pass comprehensive immigration reform? >> of course. but their specificity of language -- what is comprehensive immigration reform look like? >> portis aacuria, pathway to citizenship -- >> sure -- we have -- it's not my opinion, send chuck schumer back on that debate stage, back in 1998, said you

cannot have a serious conversation about securing the border until you actually have secured it, by which now people can take you seriously. so, it has to start their. and i think that any other conversation is actually disingenuous and prevent people from putting down their partisan blinders and engage and engaging in the type of robust -- >> will, that is not going to solve the fentanyl crisis. in other words, if what we need to be looking at tractor-trailers that are coming illegally, let's try to solve that one first -- >> to be clear, even if you had more scanners tomorrow, we would stop more fentanyl. and if you save one life, it is worth it. but that does not actually address the overriding issue, which is that we have pharmaceutical warfare coming from the chinese communist party that no one actually wants to take seriously. so, yes, we can sit here and mid pack nitpick on which party wants to be harder on one particular issue. but at the end of the day, if we are not actually going to engage with what china is doing in a robust manner, then we -- >> the cartels are at the behest of the chinese communist party. there are chemists down there

working with the cartels, right, just following the instructions, sometimes, which are written in mandarin. >> erica pandey, go ahead. >> i just think, like you said, if there is so much of this coming in illegally on vehicles that are the biggest vehicles on the road, there is a way to stop 84% of the drugs fentanyl came in through legally through legal ports of entry. and then 16% came in through -- ports of entry. these are manned ports of entry. so, there has got to be a quick solution here that does not get into all these debates -- >> yes, and if we have to wait for comprehensive immigration reform to fix this fentanyl problem, we are in trouble -- >> for two to pounce -- >> there's also this flipside to. we are very focused in on the border. but what about the actual people of this country and having a conversation about drug abuse? and making sure that we have the proper education in schools so that kids are not tempted to do that? remember, it's not just about fentanyl. we have to stand up bulletins that say, hey, don't swallow tide pods. there are all sorts of things in which we have to safeguard our kids against that we did not have to do when we were young. >> i think that's also because we have one school counselor

for every 400 children, when the recommendation is around 200. so, again, it's the lack of funding for our students, a lack of infrastructure for our students, the lack of resources being spent on the border -- and with the chinese communist party, all of it has led to where we are today, which is a mess. >> folks, thank you very much. we will be right back.

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>> that chinese balloon that voted across the continental u.s. got a lot of attention. and somehow, it eclipsed other weirder identified flying objects. >> -- >> a, got it!

[laughter] >> roger. still -- bleep you -- >> oh, okay. >> wow! >> -- it's flying! >> former navy fighter pilot ryan graves has a new article in politico titled, we have a real ufo problem. and it's not balloons. he joins me now. ryan, i'm with you. you have seen weirder things than a chinese balloon while you have been in the sky, yes? >> certainly. we have seen things that we have not been able to explain is simply a balloon. and as we have been talking about the various objects that have been shot down over the u.s., it's been a pretty clear bifurcation between what we have been calling a chinese balloon and what the other

three objects are. and while we don't know what they are, the fact of the matter is that they are -- above our head, and any given time, whether it's a national security issue or scientific question, we need to figure out what is above our heads. >> that video that we just showed, was that from your squad? >> yes. that was in 2015 while we were above the uss theodore roosevelt near jacksonville, florida. -- recorded that -- other objects as well as others that were -- in our facility on a regular basis. we simply did not know what they. we're but we did not know that they were at safety hazard for our aircrew and for our training missions. and we have been looking for the right way to report and with those issues ever since. with the americans for safe airspace, we are going to be pushing legislative action to ensure that sharper policies are in place and that pilots and aviators in the military and commercial markets feel comfortable reporting these things, whether, again, it's a

national security issue we need to pay attention to make sure there are no security gaps or whether there is something unknown -- we need to inquire on that. >> but ryan, what was that thing? >> that's what we are still trying to figure out. what we know is that it was not one of our -- operating within the vicinity of. we are fairly certain that it is not a foreign adversary at this point. but it still remains in the unknown bucket. the primary issue here is that there are enough things that are in that bucket of unknown that the -- anomaly resolution of within the d.o.d. and very senators and congressmen and congresswomen are looking into this matter from the angle of the national security and the way we have to four with the recent you downs we can see just how serious of an issue it is, even if they are just balloons. just balloons can still be a national security issue in the overhead national security facilities and airspace. >> but these things that you have seen -- and in fact, i should let everybody know --

you saw them a lot. this was not just a one-off once in 2015. you saw ufos often. and these things -- correct me if i am wrong -- they do things. they have sort of technology that you all could not identify. >> it's not that we were just seeing them up there and then somewhat identifying something in the distance. we are using a multitude of sensors on our aircraft, and also distributed across multiple aircraft and different platforms that are detecting these objects within a censored network. and so, when we then correlate these radar tracks with our infrared camera systems we are eventually moving in closer to detect them with our eyeballs. we have high confidence in those track files and what we are experiencing. and what we are experiencing our things that we are really not sure what they are at the end of the day. they are performing another a number of behaviors that we don't recognize, such as the ability to stay stationary in very high winds with no lifting platform, with no surfaces.

but also to maintain speeds at 0.6 to 0.8 miles -- which is upwards of 350 knots. and they can do that for for many hours on end. we don't have the ability to do that in our aircraft. and we simply do not know who is operating these or what their intent are. >> i think we have another clip of one from york squadron, of them seeing it, as he, said in high wind, and operating differently. >> -- >> it's a -- >> my gosh! -- going like this. the wind is 100 not 120 knots west. -- >> and so you want to get to a point where people feel comfortable reporting that -- the people not feel comfortable reporting these sightings? >> they still don't. and i will only speak within the aviation community. but it's a big risk to go out publicly on this topic. at the end of the day, if you are going to highlight yourself,

at least in the military aviation community, for something like this, there's very little upside for you. we are very busy, aviators, in the u.s. navy and air force and the military in general. we very busy doing our regular job. we are not equipped to go out and do research on these mysterious objects. on the commercial sector, people are welcome, they worked on for a very long time, at a single career, at a single company, and their signature way at a medical evaluation to say they are unfit for flying to lose that career. so, there's very little motivation to speak publicly about this, especially when it has been communicated by their employers and, historically, that this is a somewhat off topic -- or, excuse me -- off limits, topic. >> and last, ryan, do you have a theory on what these are? >> again, i have a theory of what they are not. and i do have a method, i think, of trying to figure out what these are. we know that we can detect these objects. we are starting to recognize as a government and a society that

we can have an obligation to figure out what these are to ensure safe flying. so, i think we can figure that out. i think that is a -- question, although, not quite yet. >> ryan graves, thanks for sharing all this with us. it's fascinating, and obviously we do need to get some answers about all this, that the balloon has exposed. thanks so much for being here. >> it was my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> all right -- meanwhile, climate scientists are sounding the alarm. antarctic sea ice is now at record low levels. so, cnn's chief climate correspondent, bill weir, is on his way to the south pole right now. and he is going to give us a -- for us. i can bebe free to do the thins that i love to do. i hope when i retirere someday, they say, that guy made this place a special place to come to school and gave as much as he could to help the community.

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2 million square kilometers for the first time since satellite began monitoring this in 1978 -- what does that mean? cnn's chief climate correspondent bill weir is on his way to antarctica right now. bill, what are you finding? >> alisyn camerota, greetings from the tip of patagonia, a beautiful place, sometimes called the end of the world. but we are not talking about sort of the book of regulations revelations existential end of the world here. we are talking about antarctica, which is right in the other side of that mound range. that mountain range is a national park here in the chile argentina border. we are going to get on the boat, around those, and across -- with some oil scientist here in a couple of days. but the news today is about how much that play says is changing and how much it affects all of us long term. we are talking about sea ice. and just for perspective, in

2014, in the summer, there would be about 7 million square miles of sea ice all around this continent down here at the south pole. now the national snow and ice center out of colorado confirms it's just over 700,000 square miles. so, that's a 90% loss in less than a decade. and what is really worrisome is that the big glaciers, like -- this is a glacier, of frozen river, the size of florida, which is holding back masses of england ice, is hanging on by a fingernail -- they sent down robotics that look like sort of a torpedo underneath that ice, the eisman, to take pictures. it is melting in bizarre ways that were never predicted. and if that thing pops it could create a sea level rise pulse. right now, the trend is, though, that all of the signs are pointing towards a world with a very different coastlines than we have grown accustomed to. it's a warning to leaders on the coast to prepare infrastructures, to prepare citizens for what this means.

but mostly, the top line is that, for a long time people thought the north pole was melting, the south pole would be okay. now both ends of the planet are heating up in ways that even signs would not have predicted a couple of -- even five years ago. amazing, a flock of birds overhead. i'm in heaven down here with all the south american wildlife -- and of course, that's at risk as these ecosystems changed down here as well. and it seems, so far away. we are at the bottom of the world. but all of this adds up. our systems are still connected. the drought stories i was doing in utah last week about towns -- the fastest-growing metro center in the country is growing so fast that they are not sure how long they can grow, given the lack of water. the water cycles that are affected by these currents, by these systems are changing in ways that are going to just freakish blizzard events in southern california. at the same time as heat waves in the summer's up in british columbia -- so, this, unfortunately, is the

new normal. and the warning is, knowledge is power preparation is key. the sea level as we know it is changing before our eyes. but science is getting in front of this, alisyn camerota. and hopefully, the leaders, the decision makers are paying attention to what is happening both at the top and at the bottom of our blue marble. alisyn, i'll send it back to. you >> bill weir, thank you very much. bill weir always finishes with some sort of bright spot so that i don't feel existential dread. >> [laughter] >> because he knows that i don't know how he does his job with all that -- check out this map, okay? this shows the top 100 places around the world that are most vulnerable to the climate crisis. and there is a lot of them and a lot of places that we all want to go. so, let's bring in our panel. is there a bucket list place that you all have that you are aware of climate change that you want to go too soon before disappears? erica? >> yeah, i think the country that my parents are from -- my parents are from nepal.

it's right there on those red spots. it has some of the most spectacular tracking in the world. you've got himalayas himalayas -- to go to these places is becoming more and more dangerous, with ice just falling on people, and the length of the season that you can even try to summit at everest is getting shorter and shorter. so, you are seeing literally traffic jams on everest of people trying to get to the top. and then, more locally, the international park in montana, cnn reported, some of those glaciers have shrunk by 80% in recent years. so, there is just so many places and time is running out. >> my, gosh that's incredible. joe pinion, what's your bucket list place? >> look, i just haven't been to fiji. so, i would love to go to their. but i think we have to have a bit of optimism. i think a lot of people, as my old friend bob english, former congressman for south carolina, i believe in rulers, i believe in thermometers, and i think most republicans do too. that's with a pew research center says. so, again, i think we have to have real, global communities -- bill was talking about the

interconnectedness of the world. 87% of the emissions we are trying to curb come from our good friends over there in china. and also places like india -- so, they are from beyond our borders. we need global plans to deal with the fact that this is an interconnected issue. >> we lz granderson? >> alisyn camerota, i'm going to be basic as heck. fire island -- it's disappearing. it's just right over here, and it's sinking, it's disappearing because of climate change. in fact, there's a couple of traditional lgbtq hotspots around the country -- no pun intended -- that are disappearing because of climate change. fire island happens to be one of them. >> okay -- i want to get to you. >> you've never been to fire island? >> no, i go to provincetown a lot. and i hope that p-town is -- don't hear that. >> go ahead, john. >> the whole doom tourism industry is --

>> -- i think about where my grandparents were from, and greece, a village in turkey, argentina -- goes in places that you can't just anticipate how they will change, and what villages or coastlines existed when they were there won't be available for my kids. and i think that is the stakes that we have got to really focus on and ramp up. i'm glad you mentioned bob english. he's the kind of guy we need to be changing more to. that's just -- >> mine was alaska. >> alaska! >> alaska. that's changing too -- but a happy to go to any of yours as well. >> if we get to d.c. -- >> should we all just you like a junk it junkett? -- you can financial medias. well thanks for watching. our coverage continues.

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