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two trains crashing into one another, killing 36 people. we have the latest developments. >> for the first time in more than 30 years, chicago sitting mayor has lost re-election in a race that was dominate bid rising crime. is it a warning sign for other big city democrats? you're talking about a potential leak. >> the fbi providing his first public confirmation on their assessment about covid originally leaking from a chinese lab. we'll have more on the comments ahead. >> all that ahead, first, to our breaking news. a devastating train crash in greece killed more than 36 people. dozens are injured. a passenger train carrying hundreds of people collided head on with a freight train. multiple cars derailed. several catching fire. this happened north of athens. state broadcasters reporting

that both trains were traveling on the same track for several miles before this collision. first responders still working, trying to find survivors in the twisted melted wreckage. hospital officials say most of the passengers were young people. for reporting on this and update, let's go to our report we are the latest on the tragedy. terrible news. what do you know at this hour? >> yeah. it's absolutely horrific. the passengers that survived say that the impact was so intense that it felt like an earthquake. people were being thrown around in the carriages. the first two carriages caught a light. there is nothing left of the carriages. you have cranes and metal cutting machinery trying to work through the wreckage to see if there are more victims. we're hearing family members and parents of university students waiting outside the hospital trying to identify or at least

figure out where their loved ones are. 346 people on that passenger train traveling up from athens to greece. and a train on the same track being head on collision. so many questions around why weren't there any safety protocols activated? they were traveling on the same track for several miles, as you say. the national broadcaster also saying that there is so many questions around the safety of the railway. 66 people injured, seven of whom currently in critical condition. the prime minister was just at the crash site saying there will be no efforts spaured to figure out why this happened and to ensure this doesn't happen again. this is absolutely tragic. you're hearing sad and horrific stories about the victims at this point. >> tragedy. it sounds like it could have been preventable. thank you for the reporting. don? >> we take you to chicago now. the mayor lost re-election in a

resounding defeat that could have implications for big city democrats. there is no question that crime was the big issue that dominated this race. lori lightfoot came in third place failing to advance to a runoff. >> i'm grateful we got guns off our streets, reduced homicides and started making real progress on public safety. >> under mayor litefoot's watch, crime spiked. it became a talking point for republicans and former president trump. shootings and murders dropped last year. other crimes including carjackings and robberies are up. that's according to police. the candidate that won the most votes is a democrat. won the endorsement of the police union. he received double the number of votes that lori lightfoot did.

omar jiminez is live in the windy city. good morning to you. you know, omar, crime is a top campaign issue in chicago and other big cities. >> it really has. midway through her administration, the mayor told me if people don't feel safe literally nothing else matters. i think this, in part, was the embodyment of that. she was the city's first black woman to be mayor. she is the city's first openly gay mayor. and now she is set to be the first full term incumbent mayor in chicago history to lose re-election in the last 40 years. now when you look at what she dealt with, she said we're on the other side of a once in a lifetime sense of challenges from the peak of the pandemic to jum jumps in gun violence, lifl un -- civil unrest and more. >> so let me ask you a little bit more about this. is there an early favorite to

take for lightfoot not heading to this runoff? the runoff is in april. is it paul valace or who is it? >> at this point it's essentially a battle between the police union and teachers union. the former head of school is in chicago and philadelphia. he is backed by the police union. really ran on top public safety campaign. and brandon johnson, a cook county commissioner, he's back by the teachers union. take a listen. >> we will make chicago the safest city in america. >> months ago, they said they didn't know who i was. well, if you didn't know, now you know. >> johnson obviously excited. but, you know, he really talked about how he wants to end the tale of two cities where one side of the city has resources and the other doesn't.

vallas also talked about wanting to be a mayor for all of chicago. and those are both messages i think we're going to see play out and the lead-up to this april 4th runoff election. that happened because no candidate this time as expected got 50% of the vote. and so now april 4th is when we decide on a new mature of chicago. >> what's interesting, it looks like the conservative side of the democratic party and progressive side squeezed out lori lightfoot right there in the middle. >> yeah. i mean, it makes you wonder if the matchup for lightfoot would have been more favorable fit was her against vallas in the r runoff. we'll see what happens. >> omar jiminez, thank you. appreciate it. also new this morning, the fbi director is now providing first public confirmation that bureau does believe the pandemic was most likely caused by a lab leak. >> the fbi has folks, agents,

professionals, analysts, virologists, micro biologists, et cetera, who focus on the dangers of biological threats which includes things like novel viruses like covid. and the concerns in the wrong hands some bad guys, hostile natio nations, the threats those could pose. >> we are joined now by nausea bertrand. it is something to hear him say this publicly. we knew the fbi made this conclusion. now they're in the same camp as the department of energy with their updated assessment of this. it is interesting to hear them talk about not just what this means but also to point the finger at china saying that they're the ones who were still blocking the united states and other nations from finding out truly what happened. >> and that's the big problem here, kaitlan. the intelligence community while different elements of the ic have different opinions about what happened here, ultimately

what they do agree on and this is according to a 2021 report released by the office of director of national intelligence is china's cooperation in this investigation is going to be pretty essential to coming to a definitive conclusion about how the pandemic began. multiple high ranking u.s. officials have said that it appears that china has been thwarting efforts by the international community to do that. to actually do they're own investigation into the origins of the pandemic. it is interesting that chris ray came out and said. this we haven't heard from him directly on this subject since the fbi, of course, did could be clued according to our sources with moderate confidence that the pandemic emerges from a lab leak. hearing him say that and saying that the fbi has thought for quite some time indicating that they have not actually changed their position over the last nearly two years, is quite notable, especially as you said after the department of energy

concluded with low confidence that this emerged from a lab leak. as many officials have said, it is probably more -- we're not going to get to the bottom of this without some smoking gun here, kaitlan. >> which is kind of mind blowing. sore we have the department of energy and fbi over here that say they do believe it was a lab leak despite, you know, it's not a high confidence assessment. we have other agency that's either have not made a determination or believe that it could have been passed on from an animal. what does that divide say about the government as a whole and their approach to this if there is no smoking gun that they have? had. >> we should note that fbi's view is still a minority opinion within the intelligence community. the eight intel agency that's produced that assess nment in 2021, they believe this emerged naturally from a animal in the wild. then you have the department of energy saying they think it is a lab leak.

they believe that both are plausible but there is not enough evidence to figure it out definitively. i think the ic pretty much concluded here that without more on the ground information, it is probably just going to be impossible to say how this began. there is only so much you can do from afar, right? analyzing the data without that kind of on the ground investigation, kaitlan. >> we know we'll hear from other officials when they testify in the next week or so. natasha, thank you. in our next half hour, john avalon is going to take a closer look at the origins of the lab leak theory, how approached previously, the way people talk about it now and what that looks like. >> look forward to that. meantime, the faa is investigating a really close call, a near collision two of aircraft in boston on monday. this is in the middle of a number of alarming close calls at u.s. airports. the agency says jetblue, a flight by jetblue coming in to land when a private jet took out without clearance from an

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the former president took to his fake social media site to ask why is rue pert murdoch throwing his anchors under the table? okay, that's not an expression. the squeaky wheel gets the hose again. and nobody puts baby in a blender. >> listen, obviously fodder for late night. but this is deadly serious. when you think about what happened with the insurrection, people dying. you think about what it means for our democracy and the first amendment. you think about what it means for jobs that are protected under the first amendment, the freedom of the press. not red or blue. it's green. that's from rupert murdoch's bombshell deposition. the billionaire owner of fox

newsmaking it very clear money was a factor in letting false claims of election fraud populate his airwaves. dominion is suing the network for defamation and seeking $1.6 billion in damages. lawyers for fox have called the lawsuit, and i quote here, dubious. let's discuss now. former "baltimore sun" media critic and profese professor isd co-founder and editor in chief of "the dispatch." you used to work at fox. you have been subpoenaed and deposed by dominion on this case. you can't speak on your own deposition. unless you want to. that's your choice. i don't think that will be a smart move at this point. we appreciate both of you joining us. as i sit here, this is fodder and maybe for late night. but this is deadly serious, jonah, when you think about what

the election lies narrative led to january 6th, insurrection. people going to jail. deaths. this is one of the most consequential cases in recent times. >> that's right. we only heard the blistering case from dominion which is very powerful and persuasive and jifz with my experience in many ways, but we don't know all the facts of what fox's response is going to be to this. who knows? we should note that all media companies that aren't nonprofit are in the profit making business. the difference here is that if you read these documents, what comes across blisteringly clear is that fox management thought that the competing issues here have nothing really to do with serious journalism and telling

the truth. they had to do withholding on to an audience even -- even if that cost them integrity and reputation as telling the truth to their own audience because they created a monster with their own audience that they were then terrified of. >> david, i'm really struck by the fact that what rupert murdoch said in the deposition when deposed it's not blue, its not red, it's green. he was talking about why they kept allowing mike lindel to come on and spew the lies remains true. they still make a lot of money. and they still have good ratings. so does any of this change form? >> -- change fox? >> you hope it would. if you look across the history of fox -- this is interesting. people talk about losing -- will it ever be known as a news channel again as they lost their right to be called a news channel? fox never was the news channel. it was founded in 1996 by a

media political operative roger ails as a political operation, not a journalistic operation. and journalism mainstream journalism we think of our role as providing citizens with information so that they can make good choices about their life so they can be free and self governing. that's the public service. fox was founded as a propaganda network for conservative viewpoints. at the time, the -- you know, he may have been right. you certainly could have that voice on mainstream media. but fox became so powerful, it became the dominant voice. as the republican -- two things. as a republican party and conservatism moved way to the right, especially in the last decade or so, fox went with it.

jonah is right. they're a prisoner of those kinds of profits. and they have to keep feeding that beast of their core audience. i don't think -- i really -- i really -- it's impossible to predict at this point what's going to happen. this is serious, serious stuff. all the things don said in the setup are absolutely right about the first amendment, about freedom of speech, about how you're going to operate as a mainstream news channel. listen this is one of the voices of mainstream discourse in the conversation of american life. this is a big, big case. but i'll tell you what. short of getting blown out of the water by any kind of verdict and fox has the money certainly to pay any kind of monetary fee, i don't think fox is going to change. i don't think its core viewers are going to run away. fox has become a lifestyle.

fox has become a 24/7 sort of -- >> let us jump in here though, david. you have a lot to say. >> but, jonah, you worked there for 12 years. i wonder if you agree with how he's characterizing. that parts of the deposition that also stood out that was covered, murdoch asking the ceo susan scott to say something supportive about lindsey gram. we cannot lose the senate if at all possible. the word we. i wonder if you agree with the characterization this is how fox has always been. you were there for 12 years. do you think it changed? >> yeah. i mean, i agree with the professor. but i think that's overstated. roger ails was a nflawed human being. what he understood is the credibility of fox news as a network depended on the

credibility of the fox news division. i know too many people who work in the fox news division to this point who are serious, honest, and sincere journalists trying to do the job right. there are too many people, including working at cnn, who got their starts or worked at fox for a while and have warm things to say about it and say it was always a political operation. the problem at fox is the opinion side was allowed to run free. everyone likes to think that this was some grand policy that they set from above. it is really the lack of leadership under susan scott, the ceo, to reign in, curtail, discipline the prime time people in any way to the point where the opinion side basically became the dog wagging the tail instead of the other way around. and the news side just became sort of this cleanup crew even if the dominion filings. they come out okay in this. bret baier and special report fact checked this stuff. the problem is that the brand level, the brand was more

important than everything else. and for rue pepert murdoch and e guys, the definition of the brand is a safe harbor for trump supporters to hear only what they wanted to hear. >> but, jonah, that is hard to breakthrough when you have -- when the noise is so loud coming from the morning show which they consider to be entertainment and then opinion. very small portion of their programming -- actually, the day side programming is considered news. and it's very hard when you see how many people actually watch the opinion side which is way more people than watch the news side. it's hard to distinguish between what is it and what is news and they really don't make a difrpdif distinction about it. >> there is a problem across the media landscape. it's just wildly out of scale at fox. and the problem is that the opinion side started to set the news agenda. the issues that got ratings for

the opinion people became the issues that the news side largely reported on. and just became this sort of self defeating process. and then they just got addicted to the ratings and the returns and, you know, the chinese expression about riding the tiger. you can't get off because you're afraid it will eat you. >> what happens then? can they get off of this? is there -- can they change? can they change after this? can there be a reconfiguration of fox news to bring it sort of back to what roger ails may have wanted it to be? >> both of you said i don't think so. it will be really hard. that's a consensus. to be continued. appreciate having you on. thank you. we'll have much more on the coverage of this story in our next hour here on "cnn this morning." we're going to talk about student loan relief and whether or not it is on the table for millions of americans or whether or not it's in jeopardy. where does the supreme court

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welcome back to "cnn this morning." the first hearing of the house select committee on china kicked off last night. one of the top concerns is social media giant tiktok. lawmakers want president biden to ban the app from the u.s. citing security risks because of the ownership by chinese company bitedance. take a listen to what the former national security officer talked about the dangers he sees in the app. >> if tiktok is permitted to continue operating in the united states and if wechat and other chinese platforms are continued to operate, it gives the chinese communist party the ability to manipulate our social discourse. the news, to censor and suppress

or to amplify what tens of millions of americans see and read and experience and hear through their social media app. >> tiktok's position is that is not the case. it does not censor. but another real concern is the amount of time kids and teens spend on tiktok just announced moments ago. this is a big development this morning. tiktok says that every user under 18 years old will soon have their accounts defaulted to a one hour a day screen time limit. teenagers can turn that setting off. but it still one of the most aggressive safety moves by any social media company. let's bring in kara swisher. good to have you. when i read this i was very happy. and then the qualifier that, yes, kids and teens can turn it off. but i have to say, i don't see meta doing. this i don't see instagram or facebook doing this. it's a big important step, is it

not? >> lot of other companies have done that but not a default. it's a nice -- look, kids can turn it back on is the thing. and china, they turn it off and that's off. they have rules like that. and they can't turn it back on. and obviously, we can't do that in this country. but it does -- it slows people down. but they'll continue to turn it on. and so that's a good thing. sort of reminding people. but i don't know how many teens are going to turn it off or keep it off once the default is in place. i just don't think they will. it's an addictive app just the way all of them are. it's the whole social media problem is tiktok is so good you can't stop watching it. how do you solve that problem? how do you solve what matthew is talking about which i talked about for years which is propaganda, i think more than censorship, propaganda that is being broadcast into this

country? you just don't know because it's -- the influence of the chinese communist party is significant on companies like bitedance which owns tiktok. even if the executives say otherwise. you just don't know. that's one of the big issues we have to cover. >> people using tiktok thinks it is entertainment. he thinks it's just entertainment. it is becoming a news story and people are leaning on that instead of looking at the cnn app, for example. the you think it's a dangerous -- don't you have a burner phone for tiktok? >> yeah. i do. many years ago i wrote this. i said i have a burner phone. i love it. it's a great app. i watch it. it's like potato chips. it does is entertainment. i had a burner phone. everyone made fun of me. i was like, look, i don't want, you know, so obvious that chinese communist party controls companies in china. there is no u.s. companies allowed in china. there is not a reciprocal thing

going ovenn. we'll see how it goes. there are two separate things, one is the influence of the chinese communist party, the second thing is the addictive nature of this thing. it happens to be the best at it. there's a problem across social media, self-esteem especially for girls. addictiveness, time suck, et cetera, et cetera. i challenge people to go on there and not put it down. it's really good the way it tweaks the algorithms to you in terms of entertainment. it's like watching tv and leaving it on and staring at it. you're a tiktok potato, i don't know. >> i have done your challenge. i don't find it as addictive as maybe it's because i'm not, you know, that young. i'm not as young as you guys. >> yeah, right. >> poppy is ticking through, you know, who is not going to do it and what hasn't been done. you said kids aren't going to do this. right? so then to what end will people use this, you know, time limit? to what end?

what should be done? what is the solution, kara? >> parents. that's what should be done. parents are going to have to put in the controls. you can do that. that's for sure. you can turn them off for good for your kids. but parents don't do that. and that's the problem. it doesn't slow them down. like a stop sign like anybody else with teen drivers around. it does slow them down. i just don't think it's necessarily the solution. it's the addictive nature of these things and all social media. you're addicted to your phone, don. >> i am. i totally am. >> whatever it is. and that's really the heart of this. these are addictive devices. and so what do we do? it doesn't mean we don't use them. what are the various things the companies can do? you know what they want you to do? keep pushing that button in the casino. and that's their business, unfortunately. it's aligned with advertising and attention span. >> more content so they can get more ads, put more ads in between our content. >> 100%.

kara, thank you. thank you very much. >> good to see you. hi to the kids and wife. good to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you. bye. >> so inflation is up. benefits are going down. why millions of families across the country are going to lose much needed assistance this morning. we'll tell you about that. ♪ celebrate every kiss. with up to 3 off engagement, wedding and anniversary rings. only at ka

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welcome back to "cnn this morning." low income familiar his are bracing for the end of emergency food stamp benefits because of pandemic. more than 30 million people across 35 states were given extra money to buy food. now the benefits are being cut. they're being cut big time. gabe cohen joins us now live from washington, d.c. good morning, gabe. how are families and communities planning to deal with this?

>> don, good morning. what it means right now is tighter budget for a lot of people. every household was getting at least $95 a month added to their snap benefit. to date extra funds are gone. it is happening as you mention as inflation is squeezing americans especially those living paycheck to paycheck. >> reporter: michelle stocked up the pittsburgh pantry in february knowing this month buying food will be much tougher. >> i should be good until april. >> reporter: the 63-year-old is on food stamps. but her monthly snap benefit is about to go from $277 a month to $23. what will this mean for your budget? is it. >> i'm going to be struggling. >> reporter: wednesday marked the end of a pandemic hunger relief program. a benefit passed and expired for 16 million u.s. households in 32 states and d.c. where they were

still in place. on average, snap recipients will lose $98 per month and some households could lose more than $250 as the program returns to its prepandemic totals. >> it is going to be a big impact. we don't believe they have a financial cushion on everything we know about the households. >> reporter: these benefits lowered child poverty by 14% according to the urban institute. inflation on much more than food continues to strain americans. >> we're going from 131 to 228. i don't know how that happens. >> reporter: michelle is behind on her surging power bills. she postponed her dog's vet appointment to save money. >> i'm feeling anxiety about what cuts i'm making and where. i'm sure i'll be going to the food bank. >> reporter: in a survey, roughly three quarters of u.s. food banks reported that ending the benefits is already driving up demand as donations drop and food costs surge. are you worried about keeping up

with demand? >> we are worried about keeping up with demand. >> reporter: lisa scales heads the greater pittsburgh community food bank which was $2 over budget in the second half of last year before the snap cuts. >> we're expecting to see a dramatic increase in the number of people we serve each month. >> reporter: like jodie sprinkle, a single mom waiting to find out how much her snap benefits will drop. zblp . >> it's going to hurt. >> reporter: in some states, the nonprofits say they may have to ration food or limit selection so there is more to go around. >> if our network can't meet the demand, it means that more and more kids will go to bed hungry. seniors will struggle. >> reporter: so, gabe, let's discuss this. let's talk about solutions. what can people do who receive these extra benefits? what can they do now? >> look, don, a lot of this is going to fall on nonprofits. you saw the food bank that's are gearing up. people can look into the nonprofits in their area. there are a lot of services.

l also, that government funding package created a summer meals program for some 30 million children. so families will get some support there. and the usda also operates a hunger hotline. the goal there is to connect families with emergency food providers, government assistance and with other social services. and bear in mind that millions of people likely qualify for snap benefits or similar benefits they don't even realize, especially seniors. if you know seniors who are struggling with food, you'll want to get them connected with some of the services. >> yeah. and you see that number on the screen there. very important. usda hunger hotline. 1-866-3-hungry. gabe, thank you. the covid lab leak theory went from being shot down, outright dismissed to now back in the spotlight. john avalon is going to look back at the politicalization of

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it needs to be a lot more investigation into the origin. it's very difficult to do if you don't have access to the location in which it occurred. we may never know. that's unfortunate. but that's the possibility that we might never know. >> we may not ever know. more than a million americans have died from covid. a number that is still growing to this day. but despite how it started three years ago, we still have no definitive answer about how, how it began. the debate has been revived in recent days after the energy department updated assessment to say with low confidence it does still believe -- it does now believe it was likely the result of a lab leak. the fbi director christopher ray confirm overnight that they believe it was a lab leak as well. that doesn't mean that is a

consensus. there are five other agency that's believe it was natural transmission. dr. anthony fauci says we may never know how it began. the debate is politicized since the early days of the pandemic. so how do we get here? john avalon, upon further review, i love this segment, what you have found? >> we found a significant shift in the conversation around the possibility of a lab leak because of shifting evidence. it's fascinating stuff. all right. the department of energy's assessment that a chinese lab leak was likely caused of the covid pandemic is big news. not because the matter is now settled. not by a long shot. this assessment is graded low confidence. but it is more evidence that the biden administration is actively investigating an idea that was once being actively shut down. that's the subject to have day's "upon further review." the first steps during the pandemic to slow the spread then find a vaccine. finger pointing doesn't solve the problems.

knowing the origin helps us figure out what went wrong. it's less likely to happen again. so let's dig into the debate around the origins of covid. here's what we know. the buyers first reported in humans in wuhan china traced to a seafood wet market that is close to a virology lab. here's another piece of relevant information. accidental lab leaks happen. a lot. don't take my word for it. here is the former fda commissioner. >> these kinds of lab leaks happen all the time, actually, even here in the united states. we've had mishaps. and in china, the last six known outbreaks of sarsi are out of labs. >> so given that, you might think that the outset all theories would have been considered equally open to investigation. but that's not quite what happened. february 19th, 2020, weeks before lockdowns in the usa, a letter signed by 27 scientists appeared in the british medical journal that read in part, we

stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories, suggesting that covid 19 does not have a natural origin. conspiracy theories. and that sort of set the tone, right? scientific inquiry in the direction of a lab leak was seen as suspect. so when former cdc director robert redfield told cnn this -- >> i still think the most likely origin of this path general was from a laboratory, you know, escaped. >> redfield was stunned by the kick back he received from the scientific community. and when jon stewart raised questions about a lab leak, he was also surprised by the backlash. here's how he described it yesterday. >> two things that came out of it were i'm racist against asian people and how dare i align myself with the right. >> this may be the only recorded instance where jon stewart had an experience share with the trump official. but china, of course, is quick

to angrily deny the lab leak theory and condemn it as a sign of phobic slur. which would have a lot more weight if china didn't have a record of suppressing information and silencing covid whistle blowers. over time, more and more evidence has suggested that a lab leak theory can't be dismissed including intelligence report that wuhan lab workers got sick from an unspecified illness in november of 2019. shortly before public reports of a local infection. and may '21, "the washington post" offered a helpful time line on, quote, how the wuhan lab leak theory became credible. that biden administration intelligence assessment came back with a mixed bag with most agencies saying there wasn't enough evidence to determine a lab leak. director chris ray doubled down on just yesterday. on the flip side, summer of '22, two review articles published in the journal science found the most likely origin is natural transmission through the wet

market. science is not ever settled. it's a process of the accumulation of knowledge and data constantly building upon itself towards human progress. the missing pieces of this investigation are on china. as dr. deborah burke said on "cnn this morning" just yesterday -- >> we're never going to get the data from china. china is not been transparent. we're not transparent with covid in 2019. they're not transparent today in 2023. >> so given that, all we can say is that the origins of covid are not settled question. that's exactly why we need m independent, open minded data driven investigations. pursuing facts without fear of favor is what we should always do. trying to shut down debate because of political discomfort is what we should never do. that should be clear "upon further review." >> two things stick out to me. one which is being a lab leak accidental does not mean some man made bioweapon that a lot of

people said. but also the idea that china could help with this investigation and as officials say, they're actively blocking it. they're never going to provide that. >> every step of the way. and that other point is so important. you can have a lab leak is accidental. it doesn't need to be nefarious. that's one few points of consensus among all american intelligence communities. >> john avalon, a really good look back. thank you for doing that. >> thank you, jon. up next, we'll take you live to capitol hill where kevin mccarthy is defending his decision to share thousands of hours, all of the january 6 insurrection footage with fox and those who down play the attack. >> it's a very serious attack at the capitol. why would someone down play it? >> i think sunshine matters. exexperience the capability of the complete line of suvs at the invitatation to lexus sales event.

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