black powder and flash powder-- i'm quoting-- are susceptible to ignite and posed a significant risk to the aircraft and passengers. an incredible thing. investigators say the man fled the airport after being paged by airport officials. he was later arrested last night at his home. he is due to appear in court on thursday. pretty incredible to think about this happening now. wow. thank you so much for joining us. don't forget, watch out front any time. go to cnn go. in the meantime, let's hand it off to my friend anderson cooper and ac360. >> good evening. on that story you just heard erin burnett talking about, there is new information that our sources are telling our correspondents on this. what we are learning about the man arrested on monday now charged with trying to bring explosives aboard a flight from an airport in southeastern pennsylvania to florida.

who is this guy? >> well, he is 40 years old. his name is matt muffley. he was flying, anderson, from the airport in northeastern pennsylvania on a flight to orlando, according to the f.b.i. he checked the bag, and in the routine screening that was happening by the tsa, they found explosives in this checked bag. according to the f.b.i., this is what they found. they found powder that was in a plastic wrap. they found fuses. the powder appears to be from commercial-grade fireworks, and so the question is, you know, what was he doing with this? the airport tried to page him while he was still at the airport. he left. and he was later arrested later that evening on monday. by the f.b.i. now, the court documents that

were released today by the u.s. attorney in philadelphia don't mention any indication of extremism or his ties to terrorist groups or anything like that. this is something obviously the f.b.i. was focused on over the last couple of days. nothing like that appears to have emerged. in that investigation. anderson, you know, this is a very serious thing, obviously. if you read the court documents, the f.b.i. says that this powder that was included in this compound was susceptible to ignite from heat and friction and pose a significant risk to the aircraft and passengers. >> so what charges is he facing? >> well, right now-- mark muffley is facing two charges. one of them is possession of an explosive at the airport. a second charge of possessing or trying to bring an incendiary device or explosive on to an aircraft. obviously, these are very serious charges. he is due in court again in

northeastern pennsylvania tomorrow. >> evan perez, i appreciate it. thank you. joining us now a former f.b.i. director, and our cnn aviation analyst and former inspector-general of the department of transportation and the cnn chief of law enforcement intelligence analyst, john miller. john, what are you hearing about this? >> well, as evan pointed to, the first thing the f.b.i. did after arresting this guy on monday was to do a complete scrub. sso no indication of any leanins or connections to foreign terrorists. no indications of any leanings or connections to domestic terrorist groups, white supremacists, neo-nazis, any of that stuff. every indication, anderson, from the local police who know mr. muffley very well from multiple contacts over the years, that he is just a local guy who was going to florida and taking stuff he shouldn't have. so this stuff is packed in wax

paper, wrapped in plastic. it is flash powder mixed with black powd hear the you would put in a mortar shell. it looks like a mortar shell for fireworks. commercial-grade fireworks. it was deconstructed. he took the insides and the fuse which is a quick match and a safety fuse. does it mean he was going to bring it to florida and set it off somewhere with his pals? there is also a pipe in there with residue in the bottom indicating possible narcotics that they are furthering examining and testing. it does not appear that it was set to go off on the airplane. let's put all that aside. let's say that this was the ultimate terrorist and that it was rigged to explode on the plane, the system worked. machinery sniffed it out. >> was this a checked bag? >> this was a checked bag. you know, when you check the bags, it goes through a big machine that scans for explosive

residue, explosive trace. >> right. i wonder how efficient that actually is. >> it worked this time. it works in the testing. you know, it was hidden. you know, the fuse was secreted in the lining of the suitcase. it is an indicator that mr. muffley allegedly knew that he wasn't supposed to be bringing that on an airplane, that the machinery found it. they had to evacuate part of the airport. they called ready garcia from the joint terrorism task force and the bomb technician. they went over the whole thing. then they had to take a look at who this guy is. >> andrew, what stands out to you from the items that were in this person's bag? >> well, you know, anderson, the first-- the use of the commercial fire interior essentially elements, the powder from a checial-grade firework reminds me immediately of the boston marathon bombing. you know, it is not a high explosive, like tatp, but it can be a very effective and lethal

weapon if used in the right way. this is the way the tsarnaev brothers armed their pressure-cookers. at the boston marathon. that is serious matter. it is also a great test of the system. if there can be a good side to somebody trying to smuggle an explosive device on a plane, i guess the good news story here is not only the technology worked as john mentioned. the machinery that we have in place alerted the personnel, but the people worked. they are diligent... their diligent observation of those machines and their signals and, you know, the warnings that they get are actually followed up on. in this case, you have an individual who tried to get a bag on a plane and may have tried to put the bag in the plane without actually traveling. and there is a system in place to look for those sorts of discrepancies as well. every place where this gentleman

could have gotten caught at the airport in the airport process seems to have stood up and worked as intended, which is definitely a good sign. >> and what damage could these items have done to a plane had they ignited? what does it say about intent, if anything? >> well, if the items had ignited, it could do great damage to a plane. any fire could bring down the plane. it could put a hole in the wall of the plane. terrorists, not saying this gentleman was one, explosives correctly placed in an airplane can bring the plane down. however, the placement and the items in the bag does not suggest that any of them were connected with any detonation device. there was no timing device. there was no trigger device. sometimes they are linked to cell phones or other things. there wasn't a device that could set them off. however, that is not to diminish the fact that anything explosive or flammable in the luggage could be extremely dangerous in the cargo-hold and could bring down the plane.

the other things in the charging papers today, there was butane. that is not allowed. ththat plaintiffs the a lighter. that is not allowed. there are other things that were not allowed. altogether, it is a dangerous cargo in a bag checked. >> he is in custody. he is going to be arraigned, i think,-- his first court appearance is tomorrow. what kind of punishment would he be facing? >> oh, he is facing significant time. i mean, what he is charged with, anderson, and in the purer sense, the charges fit the crime, is attempting to smuggle an explosive device on an aircraft. so... >> did he leave the airport? >> he gets there at # 1:40. checks this bag. they detect the explosive residue. they want to talk to the owner of the bag to say well, what do you got in there? by 11:45, they are calling his name. he is getting out of dodge. we have video of him leaving the airport and he is arrested at home, you know, later that evening. so once they started calling his name, i think he knew that there

was a problem. >> it wasn't for an upgrade. >> that is right. not for an upgrade. >> mary, the suspect went to this regional airport in pennsylvania, purchased a ticket on a regional airline. i mean, i don't know if he happens to live near there or that was intentional. >> well, there are so many things about this that suggest maybe-- and i have no firsthand knowledge of this. but it was almost like testing the system or just seeing what you could get away with. first of all, in the past, with terrorists, they want to make an international statement. i mean, all the terrorism cases that i have worked on in the past, and you know, the collection of terrorist cases from, you know, the past hundred years, they want to make a statement. you make a statement with big international airlines. if you really were intending to bomb a plane, a small regional air carrier such as allegiant and a small airport probably would not make the kind of statement that a terrorist would want to make. you know, i have to remind you that every year the tsa, for example, last year, they took

6,540 guns off of passengers. they take fireworks and explosives from people accidentally checked every day. the-- if you didn't intend to do it or if it is a small amount, kit end up being a misdemeanor. however, he did two things that a suspect schulz never do. he con sealed the device. concealment is evidence. then he fled the airport. flight is evidence. i think those factors will mitigate against him. >> yeah. thank you. coming up next, what the prosecution told jurors in closing arguments in the alex murdaugh trial. what jurors saw today when they visited the crime scene. an update on a ukrainian teenager who ended up in russia, part of a process that experts say amounts to a war crime, potentially genocide. of electrificatition at the invitation to lexus sales event.

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the first time. video of the scene, not the jurors, was allowed to be recorded by the media. the jury saw the small room where paul murdaugh was killed. >> he takes that buck shot to the chest. it didn't kill him. alex is putting down that shotgun. that is why the angle is that. and catches paul like that. and goes up into the ceiling. as you have heard the testimony from kinsey. and blows his brains out. >> paul fell to the concrete after the second fatal shot. his brain hitting the pavement. as the jury could see at the scene, all of that was within sight of where maggie murdaugh's body was found on the grass near the shed. the reporter measured the two shootings were 12 steps apart. listen as the prosecutor recreates the alleged events,

including the use of the second gun, the blackout rifle. >> because maggie sees what happens, and she comes running over there, running to her baby. probably the last thing on her mind, thinking that it was him who had done this. he has picked up the blackout. and opens fire. she takes those two shots. it crumples her over. . >> in his closing, the prosecutor zeroed in on how murdaugh lied to investigators about being at the kennels with his family around the time of the murders. the video later found on paul's cell phone was recorded at 8:44 p.m., minutes before prosecutors say they were killed. alex murdaugh can be heard talking in the background. though for 20 months, he denied being there. >> why in the world would an innocent reasonable father and husband lie about that? and lie about it so early? he didn't know that was there.

>> prosecutor creighton waters reminded the jury today that the state's ballistic expert determined it was a family weapon, a 300 blackout rifle that killed maggie. he based that on the fact that shell casings found near maggie's body matched casings scattered all over murdaugh's hunting property. in other words, the gun had been used there many times before. >> a family blackout killed maggie. it was present just a couple of months prior to murders. it is gone now. a family weapon the defendant cannot account for killed maggie. >> prosecutor left the jury with this. >> we couldn't bring you any eyewitnesses because they were murdered. but common sense and human nature can speak on behalf of maggie and paul. when you look at this and its totality.

common sense and human nature can speak for them. they deserve a voice. >> and tomorrow, anderson, when the defense delivers its closing argument, i think we can expect them to certainly highlight reasonable doubt and to try and convince the jury that the man the state has painted as a perennial liar can now tell the truth and is telling the truth, and the defense, i think, will try to convince the jury that even though alex murdaugh has admitted he is a liar and a thief, that doesn't make him a murderer. anderson? >> i appreciate that. thanks. joining us now joey jackson, jessica roth, former federal prosecutor who now teaches at the law school here in new york. jessica, we talked about this the other day. the prosecution's closing arguments. would be heavy on the timeline. we saw. that do you think that is their most effec effective argument? >> i do. i think the prosecutor appropriately leaned into the timeline today. both to show that the defendant had the opportunity to commit

the murder, clean up quickly, using the hose that was available to him there. and then go to his mother's house to set up an alibi. and also to show how implausible it would be for anybody else to have the opportunity to get in in that very narrow window to commit this double murder using guns they would have had to know were available to them there. >> yeah. joey, what did you think of the closing argument? alex murdaugh had the time to do it. hardly anybody else did have the time. that timeline does not argue for another killer. >> yeah. they boxed them in. right? the defense certainly has a lot of work to do tomorrow. in saying that, remember that closing arguments, right? that is what they are. they are arguments, not evidence. the defense will attack three things. it was a compelling closing argument for the prosecution. no question. the timeline is very significant. what you are going to hear tomorrow is when you talk about means, motive, and opportunity, the defense will say not so fast. with respect to the motive, why would a person who loves their family, who loves their wife and

child do this? by all indications, he was a loving father. and he was a loving husband. so the prosecution talks about a motivation of money? right? i think they will say that is misguided and why did the prosecution spend so much time speaking about money and not about the facts and the evidence of the case? on to the timeline, yes. the timeline seems to mitigate against the defendant, right? and go to the issue of guilt. you will see the defense expand that. we have heard their expert witness. do you really want to tell the jury that you knew he was dead at 9:00 because you took your hand or your finger and put it on to his armpit? is that the way we conduct science in this country? should it be more appropriate and thorough which would expand the timeline and that would give more credence to mr. murdaugh's story. and the last thing is this. there are other people who certainly would have meant harm to the family. if it wasn't to mr. murdaugh for his pill addiction and spending $50,000 in the unsavory

characters, certainly it could have been as to his son paul. they will be fighting that tooth and nail tomorrow. this is going to be highly contested. it is not over. we think it is. because we have heard the prosecution. >> right. i keep wondering, you know, does the jury buy that he loved his wife and kids so much? i mean, he was addicted to pills for how many decades. he spent how much of their money which he had stolen from poor families in his community on pills and not on his family. you know, the housekeeper mysteriously died. does anyone really believe he had his family's best interest at heart for his entire life? >> i don't know what the jury believes at this point about sort of who he is and how he felt about his family. i do think one of the weaknesses for the prosecution is the motive in the sense that even if he didn't-- even if he, at this point, was not being-- showing care toward his family, right? because of his addiction, because of the pressures he was under, would he really kill them? right? to forestall these inevitable

reckonings. it seems so extreme and irrational. >> he did pay somebody to shoot himself in the head. >> that is what the prosecution will come back to. he was acting irrationally. >> he lied to police repeatedly. he only told the truth because he happened to be caught on a video that his son took that he didn't know about. >> they will have to say to jury, you may not fully understand his actions. he was acting not like you or i would. the evidence proves that he did it. and we have given you enough of a background and context of what was happening in his life for you to believe that he did it. >> do you think the visit to the crime scene changes anything in one way? >> you know, i don't. certainly, what it changes is their perspective. it adds context to. answer your question, it is predicated upon does it move someone who is going to vote for the prosecution or defense or vice versa? that is not what i'm thinking. i do think that it certainly adds context. right? you know, jessica will tell you... >> it makes it more real. >> right. it is about bringing someone to the event. we do that by photographs. we do it by surveillance.

we do it by really showing and painting the picture. here you don't have to paint that. you took them there. it will add context and perspective. does it move the needle one way or the other? that, i don't believe. >> joey jackson, jessica roth, thank you. appreciate it. a quick reminder. stay tuned tonight for a special presentation "inside the murdaugh trials." at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. coming up next, russia's policy of in many cases, stealing ukrainian children and indoctrinating them. and in some cases, having them adopted into the russian families. this has not gotten the attention it should have over the last year. details about one child who details about one child who ended up at a propaganda pep rally. where she is now♪ and the faf thousands of other kids, when we come back. ♪ ♪ get directv with a twowo year price guarantee. ♪ i gotta good feeling about this, yeah ♪

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>> we have an update tonight on a story we have been focusing on. russia's policy, taking chi children, in effect, stealing them. that is war crime. russia is taking ukrainian kids, in many cases, trying to turn them into russian kids. which they call a humanitarian gesture. we are getting details about some video we saw from a rally celebrating what russia calls defense of the father day. there was a 15-year-old girl from mariupol. on this day, she was made to read scripted words of thanks to a russian soldier. >> thank you for safe saving me, my sister, and thousands of children in mariupol.

i forget a little. >> don't be shy. everyone give a hug. look. it is the man who saved you all. >> not for nothing, his call sign is angel. >> well, tonight we know more about anna and her story. what have you learned? >> well, that this child, anderson, is several times over a victim of this war. not only because, of course, she lived through the siege of mariupol that went on, remember, for three long months. sheltering in basements with her mother, brother, and sister as the city was pounded by heavy artillery. she then lost her mother, a single mother of three who had done her best to raise her in difficult conditions, as we understand. as she left the basement one day to go out, she was killed.

anna has been mourning her ever since on-line. we are able to see that on social media. she was taken to moscow for this very public display. not just many the hundreds of thousands who were there, anderson, but, of course, everyone who saw it aired across russia, but also in ukraine. what we understand since is that this child has become abused on-line by people angry at what they says... what they saw. threatening to hang her. it is an extraordinary story of a child completely unprotected and open to very public abuse ever since that extraordinary spectacle, anderson. >> were you able to speak with people who knew her in ukraine? >> we were. we were able to track down and remember they were talking about occupied territories. we simply don't have much access. we did manage to track down a couple of people. one, a close family member who told us more about her sad history even before she made it to that stage. but also a woman who sheltered with her for those many weeks in the basement, saying, look, she was a really nice girl who spent

time looking after her brother and sister and who said she was really shocked when she saw that video. she burst into tears, in fact, talking about it, saying, look, she may look older than 13. this is a child. and what's being done to her is tim my completely inhumane, anderson. >> i want to bring in nathaniel raymond. the team that produced the report. first of all, what is your reaction to this specific case? >> it is absolutely stomach-turning. anderson, this is a girl who is being used as a prop for propaganda, for domestic russian political audience. and that is a war crime. underneath the fourth geneva convention. if use of children as props is a violation of their special protected status. that, for me, anderson, that is a hostage video. >> even if russia was legitimately trying to protect

children in war zones, there a are-- there are protocols for how children are to be treated. >> the geneva convention, basically, a user's manual for russia about how to move kids during armed conflict. they not only didn't do what's in the manual. they did opposite day and did everything exactly the way they shouldn't. what does that mean? well, that is a war crime and potentially a crime against humanity. as the vice president and the secretary of state said in the past week. >> why are they doing this? what are they doing in. >> there is three reasons why they are doing. this one is a broader project that they call ruseification. they are trying to return children from eastern ukraine home as pro-russian. >> they say there is no ukraine. ukraine has been part of russia:

>> exactly. and this is straight out of the playbook from cold war soviet union days under stalin. they are using many of the same facilities from soviet union. political education called the pioneer camps. the second thing that is going on here is really an attempt to rebrand an invasion that is failing. and to present to a russian audience, basically, propaganda that we are saving these kids from purported nazis. the third thing what is happening here which for me is what keeps me up at night, is they are gaining leverage potentially. you know, people ask me all the time, what is the worst thing that could happen to ukraine? a nuclear strike? nato intervention? >> no. the worst thing has already happened. they took the kids. >> melissa, what have you learned about these camps where these children are being held? >> really harrowing tales that we are hearing from parents who are desperately trying to find their children. there is a website that has been created here in ukraine. children of war. it is updated daily as parents

reach out, put pictures of their missing children up in the hope that somehow they can be found. this is extraordinarily difficult. getting to the other side of that border, finding the children to begin with in these camps. bear in mind, anderson, a lot of these parents, they are the children that got lost in the war. they found themselves on the wrong side of the border. they were sent to camps or put up for adoption. there were also children who were sent by ukrainian parents in good faith. they were encouraged to do so because this was a two-week, free holiday by the sea sometimes. they were encouraged to go by their teachers, their classmates were going. parents thought they were doing their children a favor. send them off to these camps and haven't heard from them since or if they have been lucky enough to hear from them, haven't been able to get them back. once they are there and we know a bit about what goes on with them, but also because russia makes no secret of this, anderson. they publicize these videos showing what goes on in these

camps. the kind of activities you would expect in a normal summer camp but also russian language lessons. the teaching of the russian national anthem. the singing daily of the russian national anthem. >> right. it is indoctrination. >> the revised history they are forced into. >> have you seen anything like this? >> this has been the most overwhelming immediate response to human rights reporting that i have either seen or been involved in. since the report has come out, we have had statements from the president, from other senior officials. but we have had sanctions on four of the officials in our report. by the united states and three from the european union. for me, the response which has been most telling is what's come out of the kremlin. they have doubled down on this program. they say they are expanding it. >> nathaniel raymond, it is extraordinary, the work you have done with your team. thank you so much. really appreciate. >> thank you. >> we will talk to a top georgia election official who got an

earful from marjorie taylor green who he was sitting right next to, supposedly about election integrity. we'll be right back.

>> cnn originally spoke to two dozen house republican members of the so-called maga wing of the party. they said they are not ready to endorse the former president's candidacy. that is despite intense lobbying by his allies.

a top concern, they say, is his electability. one house republican still firmly in his camp is congresswoman marjorie taylor green. on tuesday, during a meeting the republican election integry caucus, she was claiming the election was stolen. an official in her state of georgia who has bravely resisted immense pressure to overturn the election there. here is how that went down. >> i do not consider you an expert on this issue. i consider you a major problem. for you to say there were no dead voters in georgia, there were thousands of dead voters in georgia. and then the other thing is you have constantly-- i'm going to tell you, there was blatant fraud in the 2020 election. complete and total fraud. you know it. you absolutely do know it. trump won georgia. i know you don't like me to say. that i'm convinced that he did.

>> for the record, the former president lost georgia by 11,779 votes in a state-run by republicans there. have been multiple recounts. officials have found four dead voters to date. despite a lot of talk a few months ago about marjorie taylor green modifying her loony positions, here she was saying this stuff to your face. she has no evidence whatsoever. and a body of counter-evidence that is factual. as a loyal republican, does it concern you that a member of the house election integrity caucus, no less, is perpetuating these lies still? >> well, it is interesting. because we had started the meeting. she came in late. she purposely sat next to me because she wanted to get her social media hits. >> of course. >> as soon as she was done, she left. you know what we did? we went about the hard work of talking about how we would fix elections. we outlined five things they could do at the federal level.

there is an issue amongst millions of voters who have their leadership telling them things they want believe because it fits with what they want to believe despite the evidence. they are not bad people, but we have to make them believe that in georgia in 2022, we did. that what's wild to me, it is 2023. she is still talking about 2020. she won both her elections in 2020 and 2022. i don't think she is questioning those outcomes. we had huge wins for republicans in 2022. except for the one thing we lost was the senate race with herschel walker. we lost the 2020 races for senate with senators loeffler and the areas of the state most affected by republican drop-off. they were told the election was stolen. and their votes didn't count. with marjorie taylor green's district in northwest georgia and southwest georgia. >> i mean, there were a lot of republicans in georgia who voted for other republican candidates but just decided not to vote for the former president. >> there was about 28,000 people that skipped the election

altogether. there was about 19,000 people who voted for senators in the metro counties. and clark county. over and above what president trump got. i mean, that is a margin by itself. i mean, you would be amazed-- maybe people wouldn't. the problem is for people who are hard-core in their beliefs on trump, they can't believe anyone would go against him. a large part of that comes from years of the left and in some cases, the media, beating them down. they saw the russian collusion things and that kind of stuff was unfair to trump. they feel like if we are unfair now, it is even. republicans should be the responsible party. we should be the adults in the room. we should tell the truth. we should be responsible republicans. and do our jobs and be-- my entire life, republicans were the responsible party and didn't do the ends justify the means. people like miss green-- is other side does crazy stuff to raise money. i'm going to do crazier stuff

and raise even more money. the problem is the incentives are bad. she has two million twitter followers. >> well, there is no doubt about that. tell me, though, i'm so glad you pointed out that she came in late and then after she did her performative thing, consciously sitting next to you, she left afterwards and you and the others continued to do work. it says so much about the way she views her role as a public official. i mean, she is not there to pass legislation. she is not there to sit in boring meetings and go into the my minutia of election integrity like you do day in and day out, bravely so. she is there to get the, you know, the media attention and then walk out. >> well, it is not bravely so. it is kind of like-- elections are supposed to be boring. when you are in that meeting for an hour and a half, the vast majority of it was boring. it was about voterless maintenance. certification deadlines.

how do you have a top-down registration or bottom-up... >> none of which are details she wants to pay attention to or think about because it doesn't fit what she is trying to do which is just raise money. >> and part, yes. you know, i have gotten a lot of flak from some people for not pushing back on her and praise from others for my restraint. pushing back on her in that kind of form-- i did a cup. >> of things. she is going to do her thing. she is an elected representative. she has the right to do. that just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you necessarily ought to do it that way. >> yeah. it is a cheap stunt. and unfair. gabriel sterling, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. have a great night. >> the latest on the billion-dollar defamation suit against fox news for spreading election conspiracies. our next guest, a professor at the yale school of management says the top executives including the head of fox news including the head of fox news should be fired for "proven misconduct."tera ahead.n, s

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those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. >> in a newly released interview, the former house speaker paul ryan faced intense questioning for his role on the corporate board of fox news and the revelations about the behind

the scenes politics an and financial concerns that played into the election lies of 2020. coming to light because of this billion-dollar defamation suit against fox. the interview was recorded last week. here is some of it. >> if you are on the board of directors of a company that is pumping toxic sludge, racism, disinformation, and attacks on democracy, if you don't stand up now, then when? >> so what do you really think? yeah. >> well, i'm sorry it got lost in the mail. do you have any responsibility? >> i do. i have a responsibility to offer my opinion and perspective. i don't go on tv and do it. >> but do you? >> i do. i do. i offer my opinion and perspective often. i'll leave it at that. >> my next guest believes the ryan's actions were not enough and that the head of fox news should be removed. i'm joined by the senior associate dean for leadership studies at yale school of management. you know all about leadership.

this is your specialty. what do you make about paul ryan's position and what the board of fox news? >> well that, clip was very telling. they were asking where the line you would draw to paul ryan? somebody who should have courage and backbone. he wouldn't abc that question. that he would go along with anything. he said "well, i quietly voice my opinion." that is not what a director is supposed to do. that is failure of management oversight. he is complicit through his complacency. >> what should somebody on the board >> what should somebody on the board do? he's essential lirr saying i'm in the talking about this publicly on fox news. >> at the extreme, there's a noisy withdrawal where he could lead, quit the board, that would say a lot of he and another board member who similarly complained, they should have walked off the board. that would have been very -- >> we should point out, they are paid to be on this board, i assume quite handsomely in stock

and what ever other ways. >> conservatively a half a million dollars a year to be o'onon this board. they're doing well to meet four times a year, it's crazy. they're making a lot of money, and they have a duty, an obligation, it's called a duty of care to do the job thoroughly, and the duty of loyalty to the shareholders. you have 61% of this company is not owned by the murdochs. those 61% ought to be talking to lawyers right now and suing the board for putting them in this state. the destruction of the corporate value, the lawsuits, there will be endless lawsuits of shareholders that are made of that 61% going down the train. you take a look at this, they actually have a prominent attorney on the board, a guy named william burke. he should know better. four members of management as you mentioned in the introduction, suzanne scott, their ceo who is a very troubled successor to roger ailes. she was the executioner to all this stuff.

loc lochlam murdoch with a lot of management responsibilities. there are some attorneys, some journalists who did the right thing. neil kavuto showed courage. shep smith. these celebrity anchors absolutely knew this information was fraudulent, they were peddling the fraud, their general counsel, viet dinh admitted in his testimony he didn't exercise proper diligence. this is where they failed, lack of oversight, lack of care, lack of loyalty. >> do you think they're settle? >> it's hard to know how they'll settle. what you have is a board that created a fox monster. this is out of control. it looks like several times murdoch tried to rein it in, rupert did and lochlan overresumed him. i don't know what they would do. they'd have to go on ads ten times a day saying dominion is a

really honest, great company and change their logo maybe to fox not the news or something like that for truth in advertising. it's are very hard to see how they settled all the facts are are on their side rkts s. i just think dominion should stay on this. >> thank you so much. really appreciate it. still to come, our data cruncher, harry enten and what a new study says about exercise, turns out you don't have to do anything quite as tough as swimming with olympic gold medalist michael phelps. inner voice (graphic designer): as a new small business ownerer... ...i've learned that trying to be e the “cool” boss... ...is a lot hardrder when you'e actually the “stressed” boss. ininner voice (furniture maker): i know everything about my new furniture business. well, everything except... ...the whole “business” part. not anymore. with quickbooks, you can confidently manage your business. new business? no problem. yeah. success starts with intuit quickbooks.

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have -- i went to football camp. there is some exercise many my background. >> that was after space camp. >> after space camp and after weather camp. here's the deal, you don't have to be my girlfriend who runs six miles a day to attain this great sort of benefits of lower cancer risk, lower heart attack risk. what we're talking about is moderate exercise, that is exercise that you can do and then you can't really sing, or vigorous exercise, exercise that's so hard that you can't actually continue to talk. >> is this high interval training exercise, or just 11 minute ts of running up stairs. >> 11 minute os of running up stairs, 11 minutes of going out on the street, ask walking back. we're talking about something that every american can do. even someone such as myself who you might not think of as athletic. >> this is something other people can do like what do the numbers show? there must be numbers because you're here. >> there are always number. there's why i'm here. even if you can't necessarily understand the numbers, right?

so what's so great about this is it turns out that the majority of americans actually are already doing this. we know this from a study -- >> that's not working. >> okay. it's not working for some of them, but i mean, look, here's the deal. if you look, we find that i believe it's 57% of americans are actually doing the average 11 minutes of exercise per day at this point. now, that suggests 43% aren't, but there are a lot of americans who are doing this, so i just -- when we started this segment, we were talking about the things you would actually want to hear about. we come with so much negative news. sometimes -- >> you're essentially saying here's a new study but you're already doing it so it doesn't matter. >> no, no, no 57% of americans are didn't it, that means 43% of americans aren't doing it? how quick is 11 minutes? i understand you have some numbers to show that j things to give you an idea of this. let's say you like to bake. >> sure. >> how about it takes 11 minutes to bake up your pillsbury cookies in the oven. >> by the way, if you're trying

to improve, you probably shouldn't be doing that. i love cookies. >> but maybe you should reward yourself. >> it takes 11 minutes for insomnia to deliver cookies to my house sometimes. >> perhaps you're a fan of the 1970s show welcome back cotter. john sebastian wrote the theme song for that. i'm a big fan of that. it was ha number one hit in america. you can listen to that about four times in a row and that gets you to about 11 minutes. or maybe you're a little bit more hip, right, and you want to watch a youtube video. the top trending video, which is about watching video gamers is about 11 minutes at this point. >> harry enten, i prappreciate . >> let's go for an exercise walk together. inside the murdaugh muds trial hosted by laura coates starts