>> good evening, and on the story you just heard erin burnett talking about, we have breaking new details. there's new information our sources are telling correspondents on this. what we are learning about the man arrested on monday, now charged with trying to bring

explosives aboard and a legion flight from lehigh valley from pennsylvania to florida. evan perez joins us now from stanford, florida. evan, who is this guy? >> -- he's 40 years old. his name is matt mott free. and he was flying, anderson, from lehigh valley airport, which is in northeastern pennsylvania on a flight to orlando. according to the fbi, he checked a bag and in the routine screening that was happening by the tsa, they found explosives in this checked bag. according to the fbi, this is what they found they found powder. that was in a plastic wrap. they found fuses. the powder appears to be from commercial grade fireworks. and so, the question is, what was he doing with this? the airport tried to page him. while he was still at the airport he left.

and he was later arrested later that evening on monday by the fbi. the court documents that were released today by the u.s. attorney in philadelphia, don't mention any indication of extremism or his ties to terrorist groups or anything like that. this is something that, obviously, the fbi was focused on over the last couple of days. nothing like that appears to have emerged in that investigation. but, anderson, this is a very serious thing, obviously. if you read the court documents, the fbi says that this powder that was included in this compound was susceptible to ignite from heat and friction and pose a significant risk to the aircraft and passengers. >> so what charges is he facing? >> right now, mark mossley is facing two charges. one of them is -- explosion explosive at an airport and a second charge of trying to bring an incendiary device or explosive onto an

aircraft. obviously these are very serious charges. he's due in court, again, in northeastern pennsylvania tomorrow. >> and evan perez. -- joining us now senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe, also mary xi of o, former inspector general of the education department an avocation aviation analyst. and john miller. john, what more are you hearing about this? >> well, as evan pointed to the first thing the fbi did after arresting this guy on monday. was to do a complete scrub. so, no indication of any leanings connections to foreign terrorists, no indications of any leanings or connections to domestic terrorist groups, white supremacists, neo-nazis, any of that stuff. every indication, anderson, from the local police, who know the suspect very well for multiple contacts over the years that he is just a local

guy who is going to florida and taking stuff he should not have. so this stuff is packed in wax paper, wrapped in plastic. it is flash powder mixed with black powder that you would put in a mortar shell. so it looks like a mortar shell for fireworks. commercial grade fireworks -- it was deconstructed. he took the insides and the fuse, which is a quick match and the safety fuse. does it mean he was going to bring it to florida and set it off somewhere with his powell's? there is also a pipe in there with residue in the bottom, indicating possible narcotics that they are further examining and testing. it does not appear that it was going to set to go off on the airplane. let's put all that aside. let's say that this was the ultimate terrorist and that it was rigged to explode on the plane. this is team worked. the machinery sniffed it out. >> was this in a checked bag? >> it was a checked bag.

but, when you check the bags, it goes through the big machine that scans for explosive residue and explosive traces. >> i always wonder how efficient that actually is. >> well, it worked this time. and it works in the testing. it was hidden. the fuse was secreted in the lining of the suitcase. it's an indicator that mr. marc muffley allegedly knew he was not supposed to be bringing that on an airplane, that the machinery found, they had to evacuate part of the airport. they called eddie garcia from the joint terrorism tax course, and with my, or the bomb technician. and they went over the whole thing. but then they had to take a look at who this guy is. >> andrew, what stands out to you from the items that were in this person's bag? >> anderson, the first use of the commercial fire interior, essentially, elements -- the powder from a commercial grade firework -- reminds me immediately of the boston marathon bombing. it's not a high explosive like tatp or something we see

foreign terrorist use. but it can be a very effective and very lethal weapon if used in the right way. that's the way the zone i have brothers on their pressure cookers that they set off at the finish line of the boston marathon. so, this is a very serious matter. as john is absolutely right, it's a great test of the system. if there can be a good side to somebody trying to smuggle an explosive device on a plane, i guess the good news story here is that not only the technology work, as john mentioned. the machinery that we have in place to find these sorts of residue's alerted the personnel. but the people were -- they were diligent, observation of those machines and their signals and the warnings that they get are actually followed up on. in this case, also, you had an individual who tried to get a bag on a plane and mary may have tried to just put the bag in the plane without actually traveling. and there is a system in place

to look for those sorts of discrepancies as well. so, every place where this gentleman could have gotten caught at the airport in the airport process seems to have stood up and worked as intended, which is definitely a good sign. >> and mary, what damage could these items have done to a plane had it ignited? what does that say to you about intent, if anything? >> if the items had ignited, it could do great damage to a plane. and the fire in a cargo hold could bring down the plane. it could put a wall in the plane. terrorists -- not saying this gentleman ones was one, the accused -- but explosives correctly placed in an airplane can do enough to bring the plane down. however, the placement and the items in the bag does not suggest that any of them were connected with any detonation device. there was no altimeter device. there was no timing device. and there was no trigger device, sometimes linked to cell phones or anything. so, there wasn't any device that could set them off. however, that's not to diminish the fact that anything

explosive or family-able flammable in the luggage could be extremely dangerous in the cargo hold and could bring down the plane. the other things that are not allowed in the charging papers were butane. that's not allowed. this was a lighter. that's not allowed. there were other things that simply are not allowed. so, all together, it's a dangerous cargo in a bag to check. >> so he's in custody. he's going to be arraigned, i think -- his first court appearance is tomorrow. what kind of punishment would he be facing? >> he's facing significant time. when he is charged with, anderson, and in a purist sense, the charges fit the crime, is attempting to smuggle an explosive device on an aircraft. so -- >> did he leave the airport? >> he gets there at 11:40, checks this bag. they detect the explosive residue and they want to talk to the owner of this bag to say, well, what do you got in there? by 11:45, as they are calling his name, he is getting out of dodge. we've got video of him leaving the airport and. he is arrested at home later

that evening. so, once they started calling his name, i think he knew that there was -- >> it wasn't for an upgrade. >> that's right. not for an upgrade. mary schiavo, what does it tell you that the suspect went to this regional airport in pennsylvania versus just a regional airline? i don't know if he just lives near there or if that was intentional. >> there's so many things about this that suggest may be -- and i have no firsthand knowledge of this -- but it was almost like testing the system or just seeing what you could get away with. first of all, in the past, the terrorists, they want to make an international statement. all the terrorism cases that i've worked on in the past -- and the collection of terrorist cases from the past 100 years -- they want to make a statement. you make a statement with big international airlines. and so, if you really were intending to bomb a plane, a small regional air carrier, such as allegiant, and a small airport, probably would not make the kind of statement that a terrorist would want to make. and i also have to remind

people that every year the tsa, sometime last year, they took 6540 something guns author passengers. they take fireworks and explosives from people that accidentally checked every day. and the statutes he is charged with actually have an escape hatch. if he did not intend to do it or it's a small amount, it can actually end up being a misdemeanor. however, he did two things that the suspect should never do. he concealed the device -- concealment is evidence -- and then he fled the airport. and flight is evidence. and so, i think those two factors will mitigate against him. >> mary schiavo, thank you, andrew mccabe, john miller as well. -- alex murdaugh trial, and what jurors saw today when they visited the crime scene. and later, an update on the ukrainian teenager, one of thousands who ended up in russia, part of a process that x per se amounts to a war crime, potentially even genocide. with it ♪ ♪ i gotta good feeling about this ♪ ♪ yeah, ♪ ♪ so let's get it ♪

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>> closing arguments from the defense are set for tomorrow in the alex murdaugh's murder trial. -- namely visit the crime scene, walk in the footsteps of the killer or killers and the two victims. the latest now from randi kaye. >> on june 7th, 2021, at moselle property in colleton county, maggie murdaugh and paul murdoch were brutally and maliciously murdered at the kennels by alex murdaugh.

just before closing arguments, the jury visited those kennels, the crime scene, up close for the first time. video of the scene, not the jurors, was allowed to be recorded by the media. the jury small saw this small feed room where -- >> this model -- which just -- >> as out put down a shotgun to pick up the blackout, and startled by paul, and that's why the angle is like that. he catches paul like that. he goes up into the ceiling, as you've heard the testimony from kimze. and he blows his brains out. >> paul fell to the concrete after the second fatal shot. his brain, hitting the pavement. as the jury could see at the scene, all of that was within sight of where maggie murdoch's body was found on the grass, near the shed. the pool reporter measured the two shootings, just about 12 steps apart.

besides the prosecutor recreates the alleged events. including the use of the second gun, the blackout rifle. >> because maggie sees what happens. and she comes running over, running to her baby. probably the last thing on her mind, thinking it was him who had done this, while he's gone and picked up the blackout and opens fire. she takes those two shots, and crumples over. >> it is closing in -- around the time of the murders. the video, later found on all cell phone, was recorded at a 40 5 pm, minutes before prosecutors say they were killed. alex murdaugh can be heard talking in the background, although for 20 months, denied being there. >> why in the world would an innocent, reasonable father and husband lie about that? and lie about it so early?

he didn't know that was there. >> prosecutor creighton waters reminded the jury today that the state stylistic ballistic expert determined it was a family weapon, a 300 blackout waffle rifle that killed maggie. he based on the fact that shell casings found near maggie's body mass casings scattered all over murdochs hunting property. in other words, the gun had been he's there many times before. >> a family blackout, killed maggie. it was present just a couple of months prior to the murders. it's gone now. >> a family weapon the defendant cannot account for killed maggie. >> the prosecutor left the jury with this. >> we can bring you any eyewitnesses, because they were murdered. but common sense and human nature can speak on behalf of

maggie and paul. when you look at this in it's totality, common sense and human nature can speak for them. and they deserve a voice. and tomorrow, anderson, when the defense delivers its closing argument, i think we can expect to certainly highlight reasonable doubt and to try to convince the jury that the man the state has painted as a perennial liar can now tell the truth and is telling the truth, and the defense, i think, will also try and convince the jury that even though alex murdaugh has -- is a liar and thief, but that does make him a murder. anderson? >> randi kaye, appreciate, it joining us now cnn legal analyst joey jackson, also jessica roth, former federal prosecutor, now teaches at cardoza law school here in new york. we talked today about the prosecutions closing arguments, we have you on the timeline, we saw that. do you think that's the most effective argument? >> i do think that's the most

effective argument. i do think the prosecutor appropriately leaned into the timeline today. both to show that the defendant had the opportunity to commit the murder, clean up quickly, using the hose that was available to him there, and then go to his mother's house to try to set up an alibi, and also to show how implausible it would be for anybody else to have the opportunity to get in and out very narrow window window to commit the murder, easing guns that they would have had to know as available to them. there >> joey, what did you think of the closing argument? because to, jessica's, point alex murdaugh had the time to do it. hardly anyone else had the timeline. the timeline does not argue for another killer. >> yeah, they boxed him in, right? the defense certainly has a lot of work to do tomorrow. in saying that, remember that closing arguments, that's what they are. they are arguments. they are not evidence. but i think the defense will attack three things. it's a compelling argument for the prosecution, no question. the timeline is very significant. i think what you are going here tomorrow is, when you talk about means, motive an opportunity, the defense will say, not so fast.

with respect to the motive, why would a person who loves their family, who loves your wife and child, do this? by all indications, he was a loving father. and he was a loving husband. and so the prosecution talks about the motivation of money? right? so, i think they will say that's misguided. and why did the prosecution spend so much time talking about money and not about the facts and the evidence of the case? on to the timeline -- yes, the timeline seems to mitigate against. the defendant and go to the issue of guilt. but i think you will see the defense expand that. we have for their expert witness that talked about the -- sides. do you really want to tell the jury you knew he was that a 9:00 because you took your hand or your finger imported under his armpit? is that the way we conduct science in this country? or should it be more scientific, more appropriate, more thorough, which would expand the timeline? and therefore lend more credence to mr. murdaugh's story? last point, anderson, and that's. this i think you'll see the defense do what they did during the case, which is to say, there are other people who certainly would've meant tom to the family, if it wasn't to mr.

murdaugh, and his pillow diction, spending $50,000 on the unsavory characters, certainly could -- asked his son paul. they are going to be fighting that tooth and nail tomorrow. this is going to be highly contested. it's not over. we think it is because we have for the prosecution. >> i keep wondering, does the jury by that he loved his wife and kids so much? he was addicted to pills for how many decades? he spent how much of their money, which he had stolen from poor families in his community on pills and not on his family? the housekeeper mysteriously died. does anyone really believe that he had his family's best interest that hard for his entire life? >> i don't know what the jury believes at this point about sort of who he is and how he felt about his family. i do think one of the weaknesses for the prosecution is the motive, in the sense that even if he did -- even if you at this point was sort of not showing care towards his family, because of his addiction, because of the pressure she was under, what he would he really kill them to

forestall these inevitable recognizing's? i think that -- it seemed so extreme and irrational. >> although, he did allegedly pay somebody to shoot himself in the head. >> i think that's what the prosecution needs to come back to, which is to say, he was acting irrationally. >> he lied to police, repeatedly, irrationally. you don't -- tell the truth caught on video -- video by his son who did not even know. >> i think they're going to say to the jury, you may not fully understand his actions. he was acting not like you or i would. but the evidence proves that he did it. and we've given you enough of a background in the context of what was happening in his life for you to believe that he did it. >> do you think ththe visit to the crime scene changes anything, in one way? >> you know, i don't. i think certainly what it changes is their perspective. it adds context. so, to answer your question, it's predicated upon, there is a move someone who was going to vote for the defense or prosecution or vice versa? that's not what i'm thinking. but what i do think is that it certainly adds context. jessica will tell you -- >> it makes it more real. >> that's right.

when you do trials, it's about bringing someone to the. event what do we do? we do it by photographs. we do by surveillance. we do it by, really, showing in painting a picture. here, you don't have to paint that. you took them there. so, i think we'll have a great deal of context and perspective. doesn't move the needle one way or the other? that, i don't. now >> joey jackson and jessica roth. thank you. appreciate it. a quick reminder, stay tuned for a special long hour presentation, inside the murdoch murdaugh trials. it's hosted by cnn's laura coates. -- coming up, russia's policy, in many cases, of stealing ukrainian children and -- actually having them adopted into russian families. this has not gotten the attention it should have in the night last, year tonight details of one child in mariupol, when it up who ended up as part of biden putin's propaganda pep rally. where she is now in the fate of other kids when we come back. experience the capability of the complete line of suvs at the invitation to lexus sales event.

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>> we have an update tonight on the story we have been focusing on, repeatedly. russia's policy of taking children from occupied parts of ukraine and deep into russia itself. and sealing them -- according to new motions rationalize sports, this is a war crime. russia's taking ukrainian parents from their parents, in many cases, and trying to -- humanitarian gesture. tonight, we are getting new details about videos we saw from a rally celebrating with a call defense of the fatherland de. at the event it was a

13-year-old girl, anna, nicknamed anna, that's her from mariupol. this day she was apparently led to read apparently scripted words of thanks to a russian soldier. >> translator: thank you, uncle, for saving me, my sister, and hundreds of thousands of children in mariupol. i forget a little. >> tanya, don't be shy, go hug uncle yuriy. everyone give a hug. look, it's the man who saved you all. . >> not for nothing his call sign is angel. >> tonight, we more know more about anya and some of -- the licit metal joins us now from kyiv. what have you learned? >> that this child, anderson, is several times over a victim of this war, not only because, of course, she lived through the siege of mariupol that went

on, remember, for three long months, sheltering in basements with her mother, brother and sister. the city was pounded by heavy artillery. she then lost her mother -- a single mother of three who had done her best so far to raise her in fairly difficult conditions, as we understand -- as she left the basement one day to go out. she was killed. and she's been mourning her ever since online with her social media. we are able to see that. but also, because, of course he was then taken from mariupol to moscow, it is very public display. not just the many hundreds of thousands of there who were there, anderson, but of course, everyone who sought across russia but also when ukraine. and what we understand since is that this child has become abused online by people angry at what they saw, threatening to hang her she they managed to retake mariupol from the russians. so, it's an extraordinary story of a child completely unprotected and open two very public abuse ever since that extraordinary spectacle. anderson? >> we able to speak with people who knew her in ukraine?

>> we were. we were able to track down -- and remember that we are talking about occupied territories of the state -- so, we simply don't have much access. but we did manage to track down a couple of people, when a close family member who told us more about her said history even before she made to that state. but also a woman who sheltered with her for those many weeks, in the basement, saying, look, anna was a really nice girl, he spent a lot of time looking after her brother and sister, and she said she was really shocked when she said she saw that video -- she burst and here's, in fact, talking about it, saying, look, she may look older than 13. but this is a child. and what's been done to her is simply completely inhumane, anderson. >> i want to bring in nathaniel raman, executive director at yale university's humanitarian research lab, the team that produced a report that made headlines detail in the scale and scope of this man seizure of ukraine's children. first of all, just, what is your reaction to this specific case? you've seen a lot of this? >> it's absolutely stomach turning, anderson. this is a girl who is being used as a prop for propaganda,

for our russian domestic political audience. and that is a war crime underneath the fourth geneva convention. the use of children as props as a violation of their special protected status. that, for me, anderson, that's a hostage video. >> even if russia was legitimately trying to protect children in war zones, there are who are orphaned or whatever there are protocols for how children are to be treated. >> the geneva convention, the law of armed conflict, is basically a users manual for russia about how to move kids during on conflict. they not only did not do what is in the manual. they did opposite day and did everything exactly the way they should. what does that mean? that's a war crime and potentially a crime against humanity as the president and the vice president and secretary of state said in the past -- week. >> so, what are they doing? why are they doing this? >> there's three reasons why they are doing this.

one is a broader project that they call versification, that you mentioned before. they are trying to return children primarily from eastern ukraine, in the donbas, and donetsk and all hands home as pro russian him. >> they say there is no ukrainian. rain is part of russia -- so, the some russification of the children there -- >> exactly. and this is straight out the playbook from soviet union cold war days from stalin -- they're using the same -- in -- political education called the -- second thing that is going on here is really an attempt to re-brand an invasion that is failing. and to present to a russian audience, basically propaganda that we are saving these kids from four ported not sees. the third thing that's happening here, which, for me is what keeps me up at night, is that they are gaining leverage, potentially. people ask me all the time, what is the worst thing that can happen in ukraine? a nuclear strike? nato?

intervention some? nato intervention? no, the worst thing has already happened. they took the kids. >> melissa what are you learning about these camps for the children are being held? >> pretty harrowing tales that we are hearing from parents that are desperately trying to find their children -- this website that's been created here in ukraine, children of war, that is updated daily, as parents reach out, put pictures of their missing children up in the hope that somehow they can be found. this is extraordinarily difficult. getting to the other side of that border -- finding the children to begin with in these camps. and they are in mind, anderson, that a lot of these parents, they are the children who got lost in the fog of war, found the shelves on the wrong side of the border got into the camps or put up for adoption. there are also the children who were sent by ukrainian parents from the occupied territories as the russians came in in good faith. they were encouraged to do so because this was a two-week free holiday by the sea sometimes, when the camps were in crimea, they were encouraged to go by their teachers, their classmates were going. parents thought they were doing their children a favor.

send them off to these camps and haven't heard from them since. or, if they have been lucky enough to hear from them, have not been able to get them back. once they are there -- and we know a little bit about what goes -- on not just from what the parents who get to speak to their children sometimes, but also because russia makes no secret of this, anderson. they publicize these videos showing what goes on in these camps. so, the kind of activities that you would expect in the normal summer camp -- but also russian language lessons -- there's the teaching of the russian national anthem. there's singing daily of the russian national anthem. >> yes, documented. >> and there's history that they are forced to imbibe. >> melissa bell, appreciate it. you've done this work for a long time. have you seen anything like this? >> this has been the most overwhelming immediate response to human rights reporting that i've ever seen or have been involved in. since the report has come out, we have had statements from the president, from other senior officials. but we have also had sanctions on four of the officials are now report by the united states and three from the european union. but for me, the response, which

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>> cnn original spoke to about 2000 -- so-called maga wing of the party and said they are not ready yet to endorse the former presidents candidacy. that is despite intense lobbying by his allies. atop concern, they say, is his electability. one house republican who is still firmly in his camp is congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. on tuesday, during a meeting, the republican election integrity caucus -- she's back pushing false, baseless claims that the election was stolen. this time, in the face, literally of one of the top election officials in the state, georgia, gabriel sterling, who has bravely resisted immense pressure to overturn the election here. here's how that went down. >> i do not consider you an expert on this issue. as a matter of fact, i considered a major problem. he said there were no dead voters in georgia -- that is -- there were thousands of dead voters in georgia. >> -- >> and yet the other thing is, you have constantly shield for

this election. and i'm going to tell you that there is blatant, outright fraud in the 2020 election. complete and total fraud -- you know it. you absolutely do know it. i'm going to follow up with one more thing. -- georgia, and then you don't like for me to say that but i'm not -- >> -- for the -- she's commence. for the record the president lost georgia by 779,000 votes in a state run by republicans. there have been multiple weekends. as mr. sterling indicated there, there were not thousands of voters in georgia. officials of only sound for such cases today. gabriel sterling joins us now. despite a lot of talk a few months ago about marjorie taylor greene modifying her more loony positions, here she was saying this stuff to your face for which he has no evidence whatsoever, and a body of counter evidence that is factual. as a loyal republican, doesn't concern you that a member of the house election integrity caucus no less is perpetuating these lies still? >> well, it's interesting,

because at the start of the meeting, she came in late, she purposely sat next to me because she wanted to get her social media hits. >> of course. >> then as soon as she was done, she left. the hard work talking about -- how we really fix elections and following up secretary raffensperger said -- outlined five things that we can do at the federal level. there is an issue amongst millions of voters who had their leadership -- they want to believe -- what they want to believe, despite the evidence. and they are not bad people. but we have to make them believe. and in georgia in 2022, we did that. it was wild to me, it's 2023. and she still talking about 2020. she won both her elections in 2020 and 2022. i don't think she's questioning those outcomes. we had huge winds republican -- 2022 and except for the one thing we lost was a senate race with herschel walker. and we also lost the 2020 races for senate with senators perdue and lafleur, and the areas of the state that were most affected by republican drop off, because they were told that the

election was stolen, and the -- didn't count was marjorie taylor greene's district in northwest georgia and southwest georgia. >> there were a lot of republicans in georgia who voted for the republican candidates, and just decided to not vote for the former president. >> there is about 28,000 people who skipped the election altogether. there was about 19,000 people who voted for senator purdue in the -- metro counties and clark county, cumberland county, over and about -- front -- that's a margin by itself. you would be amazed at -- maybe people wouldn't. by the problem is for people who are very hard-core in their beliefs on trump, they can't understand how anybody who could be a republican would never be against it. and a large part of that comes from years of the left and, in some cases, the media, beating them down. and they saw the russian collusion things and that kind of stuff was unfair to trump. so they feel like if we are in for, now it's-for-tat, it's even. republicans should be the responsible party. we should be the adults in the room, we should tell the truth,

we should be raffensperger responsible republicans. and just do our jobs and be -- my entire life, republicans wear the responsible party and did not do the ends justify the means. people like miss marjorie taylor greene is in and justify the means. the other side is crazy stuff, i'm going to -- raise money -- raise even more money and then the incentives are bad. she has 2 million twitter followers. i'm sure if i'm part -- >> there is no doubt about that. what is so telling, though, and i'm so glad you pointed out, that she came in late and then after she did her performative thing, consciously sitting next to you, that she left afterward and you and the others continue to actually do work. it is so much about the way she views her role as a public official. she's not there to pass legislation. she's not there to sit in boring meetings and go into the minutiae of election integrity like you do a day in and day out and bravely so. she is there to get the media

attention and then walk out. >> it's not bravely so. it's kind of like -- elections are supposed to be boring. and when you are in that meeting for an hour and, half the vast majority of it that's boring is about the voter-less maintenance, when are your certification deadlines, how do you have a top down or bottom up registration deadlines -- >> how much -- it doesn't fit what she's trying to do, which is just raise money. . >> in part, yes. and she -- i've gotten -- i've gotten flak from some people from for not pushing back on her and praise for others for my restraint. pushing back on her, in that kind of form was -- i did a couple of things -- i mentioned her to -- for you know what, she's going to do her thing, i'm going to sit here respectfully and listen. she's an elected representative. she has the right to do that. just because you have the right to do something does not mean you ought to do it that way. >> right. it's a cheap stunt and it's unfair. gabriel sterling, i really appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. have a great night.

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>> in a newly-released interview former house speaker paul ryan face intense questioning about his role in the corporate board of fox news and revelations about the behind the scenes politics in financial concerns that played into foxes right of election lies in 2020 coming to light because of a billion dollar defamation suit against fox. the interview was recorded last week, here is some of it.

>> if you are on the board of directors of a company that is pumping toxic sludge, racism, disinformation, and attacks on democracy, if you do not stand up now, then when? so what do you really think? >> sorry it got lost in the mail -- >> you have any responsibility? >> i do. i have a responsibility to offer my opinion and perspective and i do that, but i don't go on tv and do that. >> do you? >> i do. i offer my perspective and opinion often. i will just leave it at that. >> my next guest believes that -- actions were not enough and the head of fox news should be removed. we are joined now by the senior associate dean at yale school of management. you know all about leadership, this is your specialty, what do you make about paul ryan's position and what the board of fox news? >> that clip was very telling that we just saw. with bulwark and charlie sykes asking where

is the line that you would draw, to paul ryan, somebody who should have some courage and backbone. and he would not answer that question, that he would go along with anyone, saying i quietly voiced my opinion. that's not what a director is supposed to do. that's a failure of management oversight. he is complicit through his complacency. >> what should somebody on the board? do because he's essentially saying, look, i'm not talking about this publicly on cable news. but i'm probably on the board to the people who matter and i'm voicing my opinion. >> at the extreme there's a noisy withdrawal where he could lead and quit the board. that would say a lot if he, an envious, another board member who similarly complained -- they should've walked off the board -- that would have been very loud -- i mean, you file -- >> we should point out, they are paid to be on this board, quite handsomely, in stock and whatever other -- >> oh, yeah, conservatively, it's half 1 million dollars a year to be on this board. they are doing well to meet four times, here five times a year. it's crazy and they are making a lot of money. and they have a duty, an obligation -- it's called a duty of care --

to really do the job thoroughly and the duty -- it's not to management, it's to shareholders. you have 61% of this company that's not owned by the murdochs. those 61% of to be talking to louise right now and suing the board for putting them in this state. the destruction of the corporate value, the lawsuits they are going to go through, there will be endless derivative lawsuits of shareholders that are mad that 61% that are going down the drain. you take a look at this. they actually have a very prominent attorney on the board. it's a guy named william burke. he should know better. you have four members of management. as you mentioned, in the introduction, suzanne's got, their ceo, who is a very troubled successor to roger ailes. and then she was the executioner to all the stuff. loughlin murdoch, who is both on the board and, of course, rupert's son, has a lot of management responsibilities. and he is also punishing -- there's some attorneys -- some journalists who did the right thing. neil cavuto showed courage. shep smith, before he left,

showed some courage. these people who did the right thing were being published, punished, whereas the celebrity anchors who absolutely knew that this information was fraudulent. they were peddling the fraud. they were general counsel, a guy named v had din, admitted in his testimony that he didn't exercise proper diligence. this is where they failed, a lack lack of oversight, lack of care, lack of loyalty. >> do you think they will settle? >> it's hard to know how they will settle. what you have is a board that created -- a fox unseen monster. this is out of control and it looks like several times murdaugh tried to rein it in, reported, and loughlin overrules him as it his management team. but if they had said i don't know what they would do in addition to being a lot of money to dominion they would also have to pay on and go on ads ten times today, saying dominion is early on this great company and change their logo, maybe, to fox, not the news or something like that, for truth and advertising -- it's very hard to see how they settle all the facts on their side. and i just think that dominion should stay on this to the

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journal -- medicine -- senior data reporter harry enten is here with details, because when we think exercise, we think harry enten. so, what is moderate to vegas intensity mean? i >> just want to be clear, i did pitch university baseball. so i did in fact -- >> oh, okay. >> i went to football camp. so there is some exercise in my -- >> after space camp -- >> it was after space camp an after weather camp. look, here's the deal, anderson. you don't have to be my girlfriend, who run six miles a day, to actually obtain the great benefits of lower cancerous, lower heart attack risk. but we are talking about is moderate exercise. that's moderate exercise exercise you can -- exercise that so hard that you can't actually continue to -- >> exist high interval training exercise? just 11 months of running upstairs or -- >> 11 minutes of running upstairs, 11 months of going out on the street, walking somewhere and then walking back. that would be about five and a half blocks here in new york city. we are talking about something that every american can do.

it's even someone such as myself or you might not necessarily think of as athletic. >> so this is something that other people can do -- like, what are the numbers? >> there are always numbers. that's why i'm here. i'm here to bring you the numbers, even if you can't necessarily understand the numbers, right? so, what's so great about this is, it turns out that the majority of americans actually are already doing this. we know this from a -- >> well, that's not working. >> it's not working for some of them. but, i mean, look, here's the deal. if you find -- i believe it's 57% of americans are actually doing the average 11 minutes of exercise per day at this point. now, if that suggestion of 43% aren't. but there are a lot of americans who are doing this. and so i just -- when we started the segment we are talk about, oh, the things you would actually want to hear about. and we've come to so much negative news. sometimes, i want to actually -- >> you are essentially saying, here's a new study. but you are already doing his who don't even -- >> know, no. 57% of americans are doing. if that means 43% of americans

are on. so, how quick is 11 minutes? i understand you have some numbers to show. that >> i do have some numbers, some things to give you an idea of this. okay, let's say, you like to bake. >> sure. >> how about the takes 11th to make up your pillsbury cookies in the oven. >> by the way, if you are trying to improve, you probably shouldn't be -- >> maybe should reward yourself. >> it takes a bit for insomnia to deliver cookies to my house. >> that also works as well. perhaps you are a fan of the 1970 shows welcome back kotter. >> of course. -- >> john sebastian wrote the theme song for that. i'm a fan of that. it was a number one hit in america. and you can listen to that about four times in a row and that gets you to about 11 minutes. or maybe you are a bit more hip, and you want to watch a youtube video while the top trending video, which is about watching video gamers is about 11 minutes at this. when >> all right, harry enten, appreciated. >> let's go for an exercise. >> absolutely. >> inside the murdaugh murder trial, hosted by laura coates.

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