>> good evening, we begin with breaking news, just three hours of deliberations just reached a -- double murder trial. >> guilty verdict, verdict guilty. verdict guilty.

verdict guilty. convictions on all four charges including two counts of first-degree murder in the killings of his wife margaret and son paul until life 2021. you seeing him being led away, they're put in a van, taken away from the courthouse. just moments ago, we are waiting for a conference with -- will be taking place any moment, now our randi kaye was in the courthouse when the verdicts were read. andy, it is extraordinary how quickly the jury came to this verdict, what was it like in the courtroom when the verdicts were read? >> yeah, anderson, and took them just about three and a half hours or so to find alex murdaugh guilty on all for the accounts, no way tried to read the jury as they fall back into the courtroom, none of them looked to the right of the courtroom when murdaugh sixth and the family set. they all basically had their heads down as they got into the courtroom, also, anderson, you can see the alex murdaugh, we have this precip that is just

about the start here, but that will be the south carolina attorney general, anderson, alan wilson at the podium. he actually questioned one of the last witnesses, anderson, because that was a very important witness, a key witness speaking to how the crime scene, how it all happen, he was a crime scene expert on recreation of the crime scene, and was really able to help the jury understand how the defenses theory just could not have worked, so we should probably listen in. >> let's listen in. >> i want to thank every one of you for being here, tonight there's a lot of emotion here today at this courthouse. a year and a, half nearly two years of blood, sweat, and fears it feels, like a lot of hard work from so many people, so if you will just bear with, me there is a couple -- on a, couple a those of you don't, know i'm ellen wilson, i'm south carolina tierney general, and i got the best staff of any attorney general in the united states of

america. i want to start by thanking our prosecution team, i want to tell you i've been here for nearly six weeks with this team living in a hotel, and it felt almost like being in a dorm environment in college, late nights, cramming, studying, little sleep, away from our families, getting up early, getting here to the courthouse, working long hours getting on each other's nerves that times but it was all worth it. it was all worth it because we got to bring justice for maggie and paul murdaugh, and bring justice for the people of south carolina. i would like to start real briefly by thanking our team, first, excuse me, i will put my glasses on. our chief prosecutor, i will tell you, i threaded good waters to be the chief prosecutor of this case nearly a year and a half ago, and i want to say i'm pretty brilliant, because i picked the right guy. i want to say thank you to creighton water, creighton he did a fantastic job. another attorney in south carolina let this herculean effort.

creighton will be the first to tell, you he did not do it alone, because he had a team of people. the first thing -- i want to thank -- was actually creighton's boss, he is the deputy attorney general, and the attorney general office for over 40 is sitting here to my immediate last don salika, thank you so much. john matters, many of you got to see him in the closing arguments today, john, thank, you you have done a phenomenal add to our team. i will go quickly through the names, but as i read the names, please raise your, hand you know creighton, you saw don, and you see john, david fernandez, john conrad, johnny james. savannah gal, lazio alida, shane ysidro, carly jewell, carson bernie, daniel cologne, and our victims advocate trisha allen, i also want to say thank you to the south carolina law enforcement division, mark kiel,

listen, some amazing men and women, when i say it was an agency wide effort on behalf, i can't underscore that far enough. every time i call chief gayle, every time i reach out to the lead agents, every time creighton was asking me hey general, we need something from blood, we reached out to sled, and they were there. they busted their butts. i cannot begin to list every agent, and some can't be listed for obvious reasons. some are standing up here tonight, i told them i was not going to mention their names, that we would not be here if it wasn't for sled. i want to think mark and his team, and all the men and women across the entire state law enforcement division for what they did to make tonight a possibility. i also want to thank the fbi and the secret service, our federal partners. we had to utilize many of their assets and resources, we could not do all the things we did without our federal partners. we had a lot of local partners, we had the colten county

sheriff's department, but he, hilshire village his team, providing the security. they did a phenomenal job. they were there, they were the first responders on shoes seventh 2021 when maggie and paul were butchered brutally. they were the first responders. they were the first ones to be there. the charleston county sheriff's office, the orange bird county sheriff's office were instrumental in supporting our investigative efforts. you all know can you can see our chief crime scene expert was with orangeburg sheriff's office. i also want to thank the city of walterboro. i think the mayor is here somewhere. the police department, they provided security, thank, you this whole community has embraced our entire team and i cannot thank you enough. we have all been away from our families, two hours away from our families in the past two months. it is this community that made us walk into restaurants, people come up and thank us. you don't have any idea how good that makes people feel when they are under an incredible amount of stress,

and incredible scrutiny. this community really embraced us. i want to thank the quoting county clerk her entire team and their staff, i don't know -- i call her becky, that is her nickname, but wherever you are tonight, -- i'm sorry. that is my pet name for her. but i want to thank you madam clerk for you, the entire, team the bailiffs, the court, security the staff here, there was no role that was too small that they were willing to do for us. the security team, here it was a herculean effort by everybody. i can't think enough people. i don't know if i mentioned the bailiffs, but i want to thank them. there's another group of people who you do not know who they are, but that is the jurors and

not just the jurors, but the ones who didn't even get to serve to the very and, but people who were taken away from their families, i want to thank the families of our jurors who sat here every single day, for what seemed like long amounts of tedious monotonous information and evidence, sometimes people did not know, it did not understand, it and they had to sit there and process it and hear it over and over and over again. i want to think these nameless jurors who sent him to the seven protected. it may make their identities available to you at some, point but they sat there and deliver justice tonight, and i want to thank them for their role in this process. you know, winston churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for every other kind, i want to adopt a and say we may have the worst criminal justice system in the world, but it is better than any other kind there is. our criminal justice system more tonight, it gave a voice

to maggie, to paul murdaugh, who were brutally mowed down and murdered on the night of june 7th 2021 by someone that they loved, and someone that they trusted. they couldn't be here to testify for themselves tonight, their testimony came through the evidence and the information that was gathered by the men and women of the agencies that just mentioned, it came from the testimony of the agents and the investigators, and the attorneys and the -- staff that were able to get into the record, and so i want to say tonight, their voice was heard tonight and justice was brought for, then we cannot bring them back, but we can bring them justice. i started off remarks by saying, it is a good day in south carolina. today's verdict proves that no one, no one no matter who you are in society is above the law.

a lot of people doubted this process would work, and hopefully for those who did doubt the process, hopefully we have instilled and put a little bit of faith back into you and your lives as you reviewed this process that is unfolds. i am proud of this team, i'm proud of the when and women standing behind me tonight, and it has been a lot of emotion. i just want to say from the bottom of my heart, i saw firsthand for the last five or six weeks, the countless nice we were up beyond midnight, we were getting up before dawn, not eating, watching nancy grace the other night and i heard her call creighton pale and gaunt, because creighton wasn't eating and sleeping. he really wasn't, folks, i'm serious, we would have to bring him bars and thanks to featuring breaks. a herculean effort my, friend and i'm truly honored to have you on our team. thank you for being right

leader, and a great chief prosecutor, and i would like to invite you to come up here and make some remarks for the folks here tonight. >> thanks everybody, and -- i want to start by thanking this guy who has given me and all these folks behind us the opportunities to do justice which is what we want to do with our careers. it is very tough and demanding, but it is rewarding for moments like these, the general still a lot of our minds, but i also want to thank the jurors for the long and arduous service, and we have no doubts, we had a chance to present our case, the court of law that they would see through the one last time the alex murdaugh was trying to pull, and they did, and we are so grateful for that. i get to lead the grand jury section and the attorney generals office this particular

case is not a state scratcher case there are other indictments and state grand juries but the one thing about that is that i have an amazing team and i want to be clear this was a team effort you all saw all these folks behind me doing amazing work and i can't be proud of the team and my life we called this our super bowl not because the media tension but just because of the effort that we knew we would have to put into this. we did not really get to watch much of the super bowl, but when we arrived, i think it is what feels like spring now. but every single member of this team, every single member of the state crown sure east of what we do we'll's work together as a team and complex investigations and who we work with as my partners and i cannot thank them enough as well because we are used to working on these complex protection cases together. i'm not leaving out chef healthy colleton can only sheriff's office and our federal partners in orangeburg

and charleston sheriff's office and all the other agencies that work on this case. i also want to thank miss becky if she's up there because she is amazing and the clerk staff has been amazing the court staff has been amazing the bailiffs have been amazing and again i also want to think this community who really has embraced us and has been so great to us and made us able to survive this process which has been long and arduous and i have been eating more of the kind of what is every now and then. i'm sure that is a nice find but anyway it really has been a great process we will have sentencing tomorrow obviously we're not going to comment on what's interesting because that is still pending but justice was done today it doesn't matter who your family is it doesn't matter how much money you have or people think you have it doesn't matter what you think when you are if you do

wrong if you break the law if you murder and justice will be done in south carolina and i think south carolina has shown the nation and the world how a process can work and work well thank you all also i want to think created i said creighton i would come down and be just a staff attorney i know i am your boss i'm your bosses boss but i said i'm going to come down i will help and i said i am going to follow instruction and i hope i was too to my word this past weekend i will say what can i do to help as that i'm willing to take a witness if it will be said actually it would so he led an old prosecutor dust off his cleats and get back in the game and to help the team out and do not get used to it but in all seriousness i am proud of the

decisions i have made in putting the people behind me to the left and right of me in charge of this case and i was honored to be a part of this team just another member just another worker in the trenches trying to bring justice to the people of this state and to bring justice to the people who couldn't be here tonight because they were brutally murdered by someone they trusted now with that being said i know a lot of people will talk to us a lot of people want to talk to some of the attorneys and support staff and the agents investigators here tonight some of you want to talk to me and others we are going to make ourselves available to you but like mr. waters just said tomorrow there is a sentencing hearing and we don't want to get out in front of our skis and plus them starting to feel the rain come down but i promise you we are going to make ourselves available to talk to members of the media to talk to all of you out there who have questions and will answer any questions that we think we can we hope you will continue to be patient with us as we finish this process tomorrow again go back

and get a good night sleep tonight again thank you. one last group we did not think, the media. you all i know a lot of people in this polarizing world we live in a lot of people take shots at the media but the media was incredibly respectful you were so good not just to us but listen to the families of the victims. i know this is an awkward situation but he predicted the identities of people and new protected the process and i want to thank you for your part in this in telling these stories and educating the public on what is going on out there. so now i will stop speaking as an attorney general and i will start speaking as a father or husband to say when you go home tonight hug your loved ones and how your spouse, hug your children, because this case reminds us if anything that you cannot take for granted that people in your family will always be there. and right now, when i get home tomorrow, i will hug mine and i

hope you hug, yours but thank you again, thank you for your prayers, thank you for your praising came and paid for me, i see a lot of people that were paying for you we appreciate your prayers thank you all so much and this will conclude this press conference to look forward to talking to all of you tomorrow thank you. >> south carolina tierney general wilson prosecutor creighton wonders alongside members of the prosecution speaking tonight in walterboro south carolina. the two thinking policing criminal justice system that has delivered tonight verdict overeducate is at the scene on the courthouse covering the trial all along also joining us with a theme of legal experts criminal defense attorney -- cnn chief enforcement analyst john miller, federal consecutive just -- who currently teaches at new york's school of law, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson also jury consultant jill huntley taylor. jessica, let me just start off with everybody, here did you have any idea it would be this

quick for deliberations in this result? >> i'm not surprised by the result, i am surprised by the, speed in fact i am shocked by the speed. i never anticipated that we would have a guilty verdict within three hours. >> this was a complex trial with a lot of witnesses, a lot of evidence. >> and what this piece suggests to me is the jury did not see it has that complicated at all, actually. at the end of the day, it was pretty shreveport. it amounted to the video of the defendant at the kennels that was on paul's phone he didn't know existed until fairly recently. the lie he told through the police officers about not being at the kennels, even though he was caught on videotape being at the kennels. the timeline, he had the opportunity to commit the murder and really nobody else plausibly did. that's what it came down to. that's pretty straightforward. >> i want to show this video. as soon as we have the sound on it, we will show it to you. here, you can hear it. let's talk about the importance

of this video. this was a video that alex murdaugh did not know existed until into the trial, at some point in the investigation. this was his sons testimony, essentially. this proved alex murdaugh was at the scene very close to the killing. >> damning evidence. when you spin a narrative and you do not know what lies around the corner, that might contradict the narrative, which i wasn't there, it becomes a problem. why would you say you weren't there? what motivation would you have to live? when you have the video which connects him to the scene, the prosecution talked a lot about something we all lawyers talk about, common sense. what is the human element and human factor? what do we experience every day as people? ultimately they said, he lied before, he continues to lie.

he looked his clients in the eye and lied to them. he is lying to us. he is guilty. that's what they said. >> we have some video of in the courtroom, people identifying the voice on that video. in the background, you hear alex murdaugh speeding, the evidence he was at the scene. the defense contradicted that saying it was not alex murdoch 's voice. let's listen to some of the testimony. >> did you hear -- recognize the voices on their? >> i did. >> did you recognize the voices of your second family? >> i did. >> what voices did you hear? >> paul's, miss maggie, miss taylor. >> how sure are you now? >> positive. 100 percent. that's correct. >> mark amarah, alec murdaugh essentially had to take the witness stand in order to clear this up and change his story and say he had been lying. >> and that one piece of evidence may have been the tipping point for why he had to get on the stand. as joey knows, we all know, it is very difficult to put a

criminal defendant on the stand because they can be in the states best witness. turned out to be in this case exactly. that without that video, there may have been a balancing of not putting him on the stand, submitting him to cross-examination. he had to explain this video. this was paused testimony, like you said. it was a testimony the jury listened to very loudly, very clearly, and with a three hour verdict, very quickly. >> john, what did you -- are you surprised by this? >> well, no. because i watched much of the trial. the second thing is, you know, when you have a criminal trial and you have the fast verdict, often that's a verdict in favor

of the prosecution, from my experience. you look at the case. it's a circumstantial case. the alternative theory to the circumstantial case was pretty weak. you have a defendant on the stand who is established in that storyline as being a liar, a cheater, and someone who steals. when he takes the stand, a lot of that is writing on his credibility. there were a number of factors here that made a case that had its weak spots. really hard to get around. >> in terms of sentencing, why does the judge take into account? >> well, the judge will take into account of the evidence that was introduced at the case

about the murders. the facts and circumstance, the manner of the. killing the judge tipped his hand a bit today by saying after the verdict came, and when he was denying the motion to set aside the -- he thought the evidence was overwhelming. i thought the judge who had been so even tempered and calm throughout the trial, he remain calm, but i thought he showed his view of the evidence and laughed, he characterized it as overwhelming. >> we heard from buster murdaugh, the only surviving son of alex murdaugh. i want to play a little bit of him on the stand. >> do you remember that? >> yes, sir. >> do you recognize your dad's voice? >> i do. >> if you listen to it, would you be able to tell the jury? >> yes, sir. >> i would like to pull up exhibit 153.

[inaudible] >> what did your dad say? >> -- >> is that the first time you heard him say that? >> no, sir. >> one was the first time you heard him say, they did him so bad? >> the first time i heard that was the night i went out to moselle -- >> did he say that more than one time? >> he did. one second, your honor. >> just very briefly, buster, you heard testimony during this trial that you are dad was stealing money from clients. did you know anything about that? >> no, sir. >> lastly, roughly how long would it take to clean up a dog run down at the kennels, to dog runs, for example? >> roughly i would say ten minutes or so. >> what do you have to do? >> you have to get the hose, turn it, on spray out of the dog kennels. but the bed on top of the wooden box so the bed is not wet. >> what are you spraying? >> yeah. spring dog poop. >> it spreads out. >> you've got a spray it, make sure it is all out of there, spray it to the back. >> all right. thank you. that's all i have, your honor.

>> joy, what's interesting about hearing from buster murdaugh, and a video playing such a crucial role, whether or not alex murdaugh, it will be interesting to see what the jury believes, alex murdaugh saying i did them so bad, this turned out to be an important piece. >> the theory was that this was a confession. that's why the prosecution was adopting as the notion to introduce this. that he was saying on the video i did them so bad. you have to bring his son into say, no, he said they did him so bad. did you hear him say that before? yes, i heard my dad say that before trying to go to the notion that they, whoever they is, even though we know the theory of the defense was that there were multiple shooters, other people who met him harm. him being paul, in addition to the mom. therefore, i think that's what

they have to clarify. obviously, that was not enough. i think last thing, you know, anderson, i think it came down to the credibility and lack of trust. i think this was a defendant who admitted what he had to admit and denied what he had to deny. as we had to discuss before, when you go down an avenue when you are creating a story and then all of a sudden videos pop-up that suggest you are there, that is something that you just cannot overcome, particularly when you say and admit you lied to everyone in your life. why would you not be lying to that jury? >> let's play the video again. just the sound of alex murdaugh in the police vehicles and what he actually said. >> when paul's phone came out, you just pick it up and put it on -- like that on him, or? >> you, know yeah, i did not try to open it or anything. i don't know how i had it in my mind. i needed to not mess anything up. i had that, you know, somehow i had that president's of mine that i need to not mess anything up. so i tried not to.

>> and you definitely saw a traumatic picture. i know it's not easy. i know it's hard. sitting here talking today is tough. >> is just so bad. i did him so bad. >> that was the key moment. how important -- i don't know if we will get an answer from the jury about what they thought at that moment. how important was that piece of video, do you think? >> i will tell you the truth, i thought that was a weak moment for the state to try and present that as a confession. now, a freudian slip confession, possibly. i don't think they should've really focused on that as being some massive confession of him. quite honestly, there is a couple of interpretations of aids. with a circumstantial evidence case, you have to be a little bit careful with the jury going beyond the permission they give you. they put together a very good case. i didn't think that was

particularly compelling. i thought i heard the word i rather than they. i don't think they matter to. much he put together the case that they did, this wasn't a compelling evidence. >> i want to bring in the consultant jill taylor. it is so fascinating to see these videos now of alex murdaugh breaking down, whether in a police vehicle, breaking down the nine of the killing, breaking down on the stand with the realization that the jury believes he was lying all along and did in fact murder these people, his wife and his son. talk about, as somebody who is a jury consultant, about the deliberations they took. were you surprised by the speed of this? >> in hindsight, no. now that we know what the verdict is, and the three hours,

they must of all agree, they must not have had any doubt. i think all the testimony that they saw with the science, the technology, the emotion, was a lot for them to have to deal with. i think we all, going into the deliberations, expected that 100 witnesses and this testimony, there would be a lot for them to pour over. at the end of the day, they must have had all really been on the same page going from the start. that's why their deliberations were pretty quick. >> it is extraordinary. the career this man has had. this is the oldest of old boy networks in this part of south carolina. as great grandfather was the prosecutor, his grandfather was the prosecutor, his father was the prosecutor. i, mean it is an extraordinary, you know --

god knows what they were doing over the last hundred years when they were the power in this community. we see what he has done with the limited power he had. he was defrauding people right and left. >> it seems the line ends with. him one of the thing i thought was so extraordinary about this trial throughout was the personal references from the lawyers, for example, to the defendant's father and grandfather. when the defendants son, buster, was on the stand, the prosecutor, who was questioning him in cross-examination, expressed sorrow for busters losses and mentioned busters grandfather, i will leave, and how the prosecutor had worked under him in the office.

he was very good to. me there were a number of references to family members throughout the trial. i thought that was a fascinating layer. it showed the local aspect of this and how important this family had been ingrained in law enforcement for so many generations. >> as somebody who's been involved in investigations, when you see the series of events that took place before these killings from his son paul crashing a boat in which somebody was killed, then there was questions about wh o was

driving the boat, was it paul, was it somebody else? that law enforcement kind of protect paul in a way? did they not do a good job ascertaining who was driving, the dead body of a young gay man in the road, some perhaps connection to the murdaugh family? >> the housekeeper falling down the stairs. the money being stolen from the insurance company. >> when allegedly pink somebody to shoot him in the head who turned out to be a distant cousin and it wasn't as presented. >> right. exactly. first he tried to fake his own murder. but you see that. there is a pattern of getting away with murder. it didn't include getting away with this murder. one of the differences is you have all that influence, you have all those friends, you may have all the family connections and the money, but there is a great supreme court justice that said the best antiseptic is a bright and shining light. there was a lot of it -- on this case. no getting away with murder. we will take a short break. our coverage continues in just a moment.

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>> the standing breaking news tonight, alex murdaugh, whose defense was that he's a liar but not a murder, has been convicted of murdering his wife and son. jurors not buying it, reaching a remarkably speedy verdict in just three hours after a trial that saw the prosecution recreate the crime step by terrible step. take a look. >> now, is this the same witness that -- >> a couple inches wider than the -- >> the feed room door does not have this in set, correct? >> that is correct. >> this is not exactly a replication of the cabinet feeding door? >> correct. the door swings the same direction. >> you have given me permission -- muzzle awareness, you've given me permission to play this at you, correct?

>> i have. >> you actually asked me to, correct? >> yes, sir. >> go in there and stand a couple feet back. doesn't have to be five feet. you have since testified that ball was five feet inside the feeding room, correct? >> can you demonstrate the first shot at. here >> i am. stand back a little bit. you have got to stumble towards me. i will point like i'm pointing at you. call the shot. where is the shooter, approximately, outside the door? >> --

just past the door frame. >> paul has just been shot. the defense's theory -- you tell me what to do. you acted this out. i wonder what you tell me to do based on the defenses theory of the case. >> the defense agreed with the assessment that posture there for a moment, leaning down his injured left arm, and he slowly walked toward the door. >> okay. what does the shooter do? >> the shooter is coming in the door. >> and then what does the

shooter do? >> he shoots paul in the back of the head after he passes him. >> okay. and then he shoots paul in the back of the head like this and murders -- where does the blood spatter go? >> the blood spatter, the when i did know about, the expert collected this in a door frame at the top of the door. >> i understand it's a little different than the feed room door. it's the best we can do. what did you find odd about the theory, first of all? >> i think the theory is preposterous, in my opinion. >> mark o'mara, that was

probably a moment most effective parts of the prosecutions presentation, wasn't it? >> it really is for a number of reasons. don't forget, we as people, certainly jurors, we learned by seeing. by hearing is okay. but you listen to him, you might get most of it. but when you see it and you really understand it, that's what you remember constantly. that's what the jury remembered when they were seeing it and when they went back to the jury room to talk about it. i love and i like using tools in a courtroom, because we learn by seeing. i thought that was a very, very effective. in the testimony after it, it supports the visualization. >> how effective do you guys think it was? >> it's important because, remember what was happening here. what was happening, that was an expert, by the way, from the prosecution, who was doing that. it is demonstrative, right? >> it came after a defense crime scene expert. >> exactly. remember what they were talking, about which is that it was five foot, tooted would have to be someone who was a lot shorter. remember, the prosecutor was mocking that. >> the defense expert said there is no way six foot four person, which is alex murdaugh, would have been able to fire from that angle, the gun that was used. >> correct. they would've had to -- overly low. just unsustainable. it could not happen. at issue was whether or not the defense was trying to exclude the notion a person of the height of alex murdaugh would've committed this crime.

of course, this was the come back. the comeback of the prosecution was nonsense. essentially, t p sug d five toou effective in demonstra no h think t where the delo of credithere are forensic theory why it would've been a shooter of a different height, or two shooters, really went down the drain at that point. you heard the witness say it was preposterous. they showed how it was preposterous by reenacting it. it involved the shooter pushing past paul as the victim into this narrow doorway to go be behind him and then shoot him from inside this narrow space, which made no sense. he just explained after the demonstration, in words, why it was preposterous. i thought that was a really import moment. >> you are saying during the break about the expectations that we've all -- we watched csi, we see a crime in a big city and how many cameras there are. talk about that a little bit. >> i think jurors, you've been in a place like north carolina, where they are watching these stories, are used to these seamless cases where you have the video canvas done after the fact and you see the defendant leaving his house and getting into the car, then they present the license plate meter evidence that tracks the car everywhere along the way, then you see the video of them getting out, then you see the cell phone tracking. these cases really can be seamless. in an environment of a 1700

acre farm that doesn't have security cameras everywhere, where the cell phone evidence was presented but confusing and spotty. you've got a really circumstantial case. i think the defense struggled. i mean, that last seen, we just looked at it, where they are taking a part of the defenses tortured theory by demonstrating it looks almost impossible if you try to reenact it that way. it's on top of the idea that both guns came from the property. why would the killers and not bring their own guns? why would the killers have the ability to know that the mom and the son would be at that spot at that time. how would they know that if the ideas we that they colors shut up because they knew they could

access weapons from inside the property because those weapons would not be traced to them. why were the weapons missing after the fact? if you did not want them traced to, why don't you take them with you? there was just so much, the pile of things that one fact that might have been an explanation to fill a gap, but together they could not harmonize them to make sense. >> including shell casings from those weapons found on the property. >> not from the shooting. from prior shots. >> as a jury consultant, what is so fascinating is that there were two weapons. the defense was saying, well, that is evidence of two shooters. and what it may be evidence of, if the jury is correct and, i mean, alex murdaugh has been convicted of killing his wife and son, it is that this was thought out and perhaps intentional that he was using -- it was staged. he was intentionally using it.

>> it does seem -- jill, i want to ask you, though, as a jury consultant, how do demonstrations like that, in your experience, are they particularly effective for juries? >> absolutely. i completely agree with jurors needing visuals to act something out, especially with a witness like this he wasn't very credible, definitely connected and made common sense, a common sense presentation to the jury. then the jury goes to moselle. even though the defense asked for that, the jury now can specifically visualize where this took place. i thought that was an interesting strategy. >> the premeditation, john, is so fascinating. now that we have this conviction, you look back at all the steps that alex murdaugh to, calling his friends to say, oh, i have invited, i am going down to see my family. to call up his friends and he tried to call one friend to

tell him he would go visit his mom. he called other people to try to basically lay out alibis all along the way. >> very much like we discussed with the two guns. why make it appear as to people? look at those two elements. his own son, the murder victim, and may have inadvertently solved the case with that piece of video. and his wife who, they were in the throes of having a very difficult time, the son had found the pills and the computer bag. his 60,000 dollar a week moxie have it. the wife was saying this is a betrayal. there were financial people closing in on these other frauds where, if she went south from him, that was going to be a problem. and i mean, she text messages somebody as she is going to the farm. we will all drive separately. no, let's drive together. you come here. he is setting this up. she messages somebody and says, i'm going to the farm to meet him there. it seems fishy. >> her sister actually testifies. and her sister feels incredibly guilty on the stand saying she

actually encouraged her sister to go that night to see her husband. >> you can see the elements and building a storyline ahead of time, setting up the movements. >> even going to visit his mother, establishing an alibi. a mother who has alzheimer's and will not be testifying against him. there was a nurse president who did testify. >> i think the defendant, in some ways, made himself more vulnerable to this prosecution theory that he was staging an alibi. but from the beginning, when he is interviewed by the investigators the night of the murders, he says check my phone, check my phone, that will tell you the times of things. and so he was urging them to go look for the digital trail. it made it clear he was thinking about the digital footprint from the beginning. >> randy, i want to bring you an. you've been following it from the beginning. we were showing video from the night of the killings when law enforcement arrives on the scene. you see what they were showing again, alex murdaugh wondering around. this moment is incredibly important in terms of what he

says, you think? >> absolutely. not only what he says, anderson, first of all he says, he talks about when he saw his family last, which now we know is a lie. it's what he is wearing that is really critical. he is in a white t-shirt and shorts, khaki shorts in that video. that's a 10:06 pm after he called 9-1-1. it took them a little while together. but earlier in the night, at 7:56 pm, his son, paul, again providing video evidence. there was a snapchat video he sent to france. it shows alex murdaugh in a tree. they were having tree problems. the tree was falling over. you hear paul murdaugh on the other end of the snapchat video laughing. you see alex murdaugh. he is wearing long pants and a blue short sleeve shirt. very different than what he was wearing in just a couple hours later. he was asked many, many times anderson when he changed. >> that clothing has not been found, is that correct? >> exactly. they never found it. that was part of the but the defense went after the prosecution for. they never tested that clothing, they never found that clothing. how do they know if there was

blood on it or gunshot residue? they never found the tenth, they never found the khaki pants, they never found a blue shirt, and they never found the murder weapons. those two shotguns -- the shotgun in the 300 blackout rifle have also been missing. it's the key, that clothing change was the big thing for the jury. you can watch them reacting when they were talking about it. he was trying to make excuses to when he decided to change our shower. >> i can't recall, did alex murdaugh have an explanation? did the defense have a explanation for the disappearance of those close? >> no. the defense tried to say, how do you know they are missing? he left the moselle that night, the property where this happened. he left and went to his mother 's house. did you see what he took to his mother's house? they were asking some of the housekeepers, she was the one who said i never saw this close again. and they were trying to say he never spent -- >> we will take another short break. we'll be right back with more breaking news coverage with the guilty verdict in the alex murdaugh murder trial.

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>> the breaking news this hour, alex murdaugh convicted on all four charges including two counts of murdering his wife and son right point blank. another key moment from the trial, his brother john marvin

murdaugh testifying about cleaning up the crime scene. >> it had not been cleaned, up i saw, glad i saw, brains i saw pieces of skull, and when i say brings it could just be tissue. i don't know, it was just terrible. and for some reason, i thought it was something that i needed to do for paul to clean it up. i felt like i owed him, and i started cleaning. i promise you, no mother or father or aunt or on clothes should ever have to see and do what i did that day. >> and here with our legal team, let me ask you, that is obviously -- they wanted it to be an emotional moment, and yet, it is fascinating now to crying

their, and mimicking -- we haven't talked to the jury, but it didn't seem to show what the defense wanted it to, besides the emotion of, it which was that the investigators had a sloppy crime scene. >> right, right, there was a lot of emotion in this trial, right, the family members we showed earlier, and alex cried a lot. you can cry for a lot of reasons, and i think the juries could see that as well. you can cry because you are guilty. even cry because this is awful what you are going through. you know, it is not just -- they did not see it as a crime because he lost his wife and son. they just obviously did not see it that way. >> john, you have been on a lot of crime, scenes on a couple, it is not --

i mean, i don't know why i have been, this but the police did not clean up crime scenes. families mop up the blood of their loved ones all the time. >> i mean, the building, there are companies, literally companies you can hire that to curb scene cleanup. but you know, families do, it it is the police, they collect the, evidence and what they need behind a leave behind. >> it is a bigger, picture what the defense was attempting to establish is that that is one more thing that has -- inappropriately, what are they talking about, they talked about the lack of getting any type of prints at all. the lack of looking and investigating any tire tracks, the lack of doing anything that would suggest it was anyone other than alex murdaugh who had collected this crime. so i think where they try to establish, was it wasn't, that we have an obligation to clean up the crime scene, they had an obligation to do their job at the crime scene which was to determine whether there was any other evidence, which would be

suggestive of anyone else having committed this offense, and that is the boy to defense was attempting to make, apparently the jury did not buy it. >> and, they did put out a statement very soon after the saying, the community shouldn't be concerned. >> i thought that was actually one of the pieces of evidence and lines of arguments that they thought might get more traction, that the defense had advance, they said the police put out this press release, the morning after the murders -- >> alleging the police were narrowly focused on alex murdaugh unfairly. >> they thought the press release demonstrated that they had narrowed their focus to alex murdaugh with the murder, and that showed they were not going to follow up on any other leads. again, reinforcing what jerry, said this was, they argued, a sloppy, leasing vessel geisha. >> everyone stay with, us much more ahead on the alex murdaugh guilty verdict. -- jury convicting him of killing his wife injuring assist son, an extraordinary day in court. for some three hours they deliberated. randi kaye shows us how we got to this point next.

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>> it has been a stunning day of criminal justice in america at