>> it has been a stunning day of criminal justice in america at a myrtle trail that you

national tension for the local stature of the defendant gets grazed south carolina tierney murdaugh and the depravity of his from slaughtering his wife and son. the trial ended, as you see, they're with murdaugh in cuffs taken back to jail with sentencing tomorrow after a remarkably speedy verdict, just three hours of deliberation. then this. >> guilty verdict. a verdict, guilty, verdict, guilty, verdict guilty. >> guilty on all four counts, including two counts of murder, in just a short time ago prosecutors including south carolina's attorney general spoke to reporters. >> justice was done today, it doesn't matter who your family is, it does not matter how much money you have, or people think you have. it does not matter what you think, how prominent you are, if you do wrong, if you break the law, if you murder, justice

will be done and south carolina. >> kristen waters, the prosecutor about three hours was coming. now before we talk about details of the testimony, and what comes, next our randi kaye has a quick look at how we got here. >> i think the -- my wife and son -- >> june 7th 2021, alex murdaugh says he called 9-1-1 after finding his wife and youngest son dead at their hunting property known as moselle. >> did you touch my at all? >> i did, i touch them, both i tried to take -- i mean i try to do as limited us possible, but i tried to take their pulse on both of them. >> 52-year-old maggie murdaugh had been shot four or five times with a 300 blackout rifle, paul murdaugh just 22 had been shot twice with a shotgun. >> she fell to the ground, and that is when the first fatal wounds was discovered. his brain exploded out of his

head, hit the ceiling in the shed, and dropped to his feet. horrendous. horrible. butchering. >> both were murdered near the dog camels on the family's property, not far from the main house where alex murdaugh said he had been napping at the time. that was a lie. >> was that you on the canal video at 8:44 pm on june seven the nine men in paul were murdered? >> it is. >> murdaugh was backed into a corner, investigators found this video on paul murdaugh's cell phone after his death. it was recorded at 8:44 pm, just a few minutes before prosecutors, say the murders occurred. alex murdaugh and we heard talking in the background. >> i was nowhere near paul and maggie when they got shot. >> despite his denials, prosecutors say murdaugh killed them to distract from his alleged financial schemes that were coming to light. he had been confronted about missing funds at his law firm, and his personal finances were about to be exposed at an

upcoming court hearing. >> there were plenty of times where i took money that i shouldn't have taken. >> murdaugh's defense team has pushed back on the alleged motive, and this defense witness told the jury, after analyzing the bullets trajectory, he determined someone much shorter than alex murdaugh who's about 65 likely was responsible for killing his wife. >> it puts the shooter or whoever fired the weapon, if they wear that tall, it puts them in a unrealistic shooting position. >> and -- the prosecution came back with a very strong counter argument which we showed. in demonstration in the courtroom. what stood out in all the testimony you witnessed and what's happening? >> certainly, that candle video was the prosecution, anderson. when alex murdaugh has been denying for so long that he

wasn't on it, and then ten witnesses testified that was his voice. finally, he sat there listening to all that testimony and figure, he better get on that stand and say, okay. that's me i think also that 9-1-1 call was really important, we did hear a little clip of it in that story. that's important because -- a long time law partner alec murdaugh, you hear him on the 9-1-1 call. you hear him on there saying i check them both. i check their pulse, he says that later to investigators. mark ball, a friend, a fellow law partner testified that, alex murdaugh kept changing his story to him, one day, he told me check maggie first, then he told him another day he told him he checked paul first. that was really critical. there were inconsistencies, and also the gps data that came in very late, on star data being given to the prosecution very late in their case, in the last couple days, showed that alec murdaugh arrived at the kennels, anderson, just 20 seconds before calling 9-1-1. the question is, did he check any ran to maggie and he tried to call, he tried to turn paul over a couple of times.

as he told the 9-1-1 operator. later, investigators could have done all of that in 20 seconds? that was a lot for the jury, i think, because that was a real inconsistency there, hard for them to comprehend how we could've done all that. in just those 20 seconds once they saw that gps data. >> yeah, that's incredibly damning. i want to play that 9-1-1 call which he talked about. >> i need the police. my wife and child -- >> are they breathing? >> no, ma'am. >> okay, you said your wife and your son? >> my wife and my son. >> what is your name? >> my name is alex murdaugh. >> it's so interesting, hearing this now, realizing he actually did in a jury has said, he killed his wife and son. to hear him getting himself into the head space where he could make a call like this. and try to sound as authentic as possible. >> yeah, and you actually hear,

if you listen closely on the whole call, as i listen to many times, it answers when you call 9-1-1, it answers for a second, and there's this pause. and then all of a sudden, you hear him start to cry. it's silent and then he almost turns it on, if you really listen. it's really fascinating. he also made all these calls before, speaking of phone calls when he's making them, he made all these calls before he left the house when he was on his way to his mother's house. and over and over, as the state said, trying to set up this alibi. this very busy at home, he called him a busy bee. while he was on the stand. there was a lot of preparation, apparently. before this. >> randi, welcome back to you shortly, a few months ago our sister network hbo max aired -- the murdaugh dynasty. i watched it before i started covering this. it is incredibly fascinating. it focuses on the murders as well as the storied history in the deep influence of the murdaugh family in south carolina.

the same report, his great grandfather, his grandfather, his father, all were the prosecutors in this area of south carolina. i'm joined now by -- the series executive producer. i've been obsessed with this documentary, i've talked to people endlessly in my office about it. nobody wants to hear from me about it anymore. you've done an extraordinary job of this, we just saw video from the docuseries what i'm about to show about the boat crash involving paul murdaugh. do we have that video? let's show that and then let's talk about. >> paul was being really mean, slapping her, spitting interface. >> paul starts -- he's just doing stupid stuff, starts driving the boat around in circles. >> this had ceased to be a joyride, now, it became a very

frightening concern for their safety. >> -- it was like, take me to the nearest dock. you can't drive like this. i'm concerned. paul was like, this is my boat, you've got to let me drive. paul was like, no, i'm not gonna let you drive. at this point, he takes off his shirt, he's just walking around. then connor starts driving for a little bit, then paul stops connor and says, no, this is my vote. let me drive. >> some of them were huddled down in the bottom because of a, the way paul was acting, but the speed that they were going. he's angry, he's better, and i think it became a battle somewhere in there that connor wanted to take him off the wheel. he would not have any of it. >> -- doing donuts, connor was saying

how she's done with him. he just started calling her -- you're such a -- i saw the bridge coming. at the last second i screamed. >> what you revealed the documentary, at the hospital where these kids were taken, alex murdaugh goes to the hospital with his father, the former prosecutor for the entire area, to try to manipulate the other people who were involved in the crash about who is actually driving the boat? >> yeah, nothing ever surprised me as we got into this. first of all, anderson, huge fan of yours and thanks for having me on tonight. i would just like to say, nothing that we uncovered ever surprised us. every moment, everything that we shot or uncovered, it just made us think more and more that there was something wrong here. i was not surprised at all when

the verdict either. >> the sheer number of dead bodies around this family in a relatively short period of time, the housekeeper, allegedly tripping down the stairs over the dog. him, alex murdaugh, then cheating the housekeepers family out of an insurance payment of millions of dollars. cheating untold numbers of families, poor families, who got $10,000 here, 20,000 dollar settlements, insurance cases. he stole their their money to. a good young man, found in the middle of the road, i seemingly based on what i saw on the documentary, certainly raises questions about whether it was just made to look like he was a traffic accident, when in fact, it was not a traffic accident. he may have been dumped there. it's stunning. >> truly. every time we don't cover anything, it kind of blew our mind. this man, there's nothing that

was out of bounds for him. calling the family members of his housekeeper's, his dad housekeeper. getting them to sue the insurance company and then to take that money from them. everything that we'd uncovered, every single time, anything came up, just absolutely showed how awful this man was. >> i called this earlier, you look at this family's history, it is the oldest of old boy network's, the great grandfather, the grandfather, the father. all with a power for 100 years in this county. it certainly seemed like he had a sense of impunity, he grew up with the sense of impunity, they were the power, and they could manipulate stuff. >> truly. everyone in that family thought the rules did not apply. from paul and buster, to the father, to the grandfather, to the ankles. they just thought they could get away with murder, and that's why it was so relieved that in this case, they

actually did not get away. >> were you surprised by the guilty verdict? and the speed of it? >> no. i wasn't. i was surprised because from my work as a producer of true crime in other documentaries, a lot of times, the juries get it wrong. as soon as my colleague tested texted me saying, they're back after two and a half hours, i was pretty confident it would be guilty. typically, to come to a guilty verdict, it's quick. the ones that are complicated are the ones where it takes a lot of time. i wasn't surprised, i am relieved. i would have been very, very disappointed had he been found not guilty. it would've been shocking, because of the evidence in the circumstances. but i've seen a lot of innocent people be convicted, and a lot of convicted people -- a lot of guilty people found not guilty. in my line of work. >> were you surprised by the existence of the tape that paul murdaugh made at the kennels?

and then by alex murdaugh's reversal on the witness stand? >> yes, i was extremely surprised. we had heard things about that video. we were never able to get our hands on it or find it or know that it was an actual thing. that was one of the first surprising things that came through as my colleagues here at the company we're watching the trial. >> right. again, this documentary three parts, low country, the murdaugh dynasty, it's on hbo max, it's really, really good. i appreciate you being with us. we're going to come back with our legal panel after a short break. we'll be right back. what if we live to like 100? that's 35 years of being retired. i don't want to outlive our money. and i have been eating all these stupid chia seeds! i could totally live to be 100! why do i keep taking such good care of my- since we started working with empower, we're able to get all our financial questions answered, so we don't have to worry. so you never- no. never. join 17 million people and take control

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before the break, we spoke to the executive producer of the ex -- hbo docuseries, blow country, the murdaugh -- and the dynasty is exactly what alex murdaugh family was, generations of murdaugh's, including his father, county prosecutor also's grandfather a great grandfather. now, including he's now the convicted double murderer in the family, murdaugh's connection tonight after three hours of jury deliberation, a key piece of testimony as we mentioned a moment ago, the defendant on the stand admitting lies, including the lie he had continued to tell until that day he got out of the stand about being at the scene of the crime. >> the second that you're confronted with facts that you can't deny, you mediately come up with a new lie. isn't that correct? >> have we established, i have

lied many times. maggie asked me to go to the candles with her. and i wasn't going to go. i said, i'm not going to go. >> how long after she left did you go down there? >> it was very quickly. >> out of the golf cart to do that? >> i did. >> and you go walk to where it was? >> well, yeah. a few feet. but i did that, yes. >> how long did that take? >> seconds. >> where a 46 now, how long that? take >> seconds. >> just seconds? >> all right. >> what did you do after that? >> got back on the golf course. did i get on the golf court and leave that second, probably not. did i get on the golf cart and leave very quickly? >> you would agree with me that from nine or 2 to 9 or six, your phone finally comes to life and start showing a lot of steps. >> i do agree with that. >> what were you doing? >> i was getting ready to go to

my mom's house. >> -- far more steps in a short time period than any time prior as you've seen from the testimony in this case. what we are so busy doing? >> going to the bathroom? >> no, get on the treadmill -- no i didn't get on the treadmill. >> drug in place? >> no, i didn't jog in place. >> no sir i did not do jumping jacks. >> what were you doing, mr. murdaugh? >> preparing to leave for my mom's house. i know what i wasn't doing, and what i wasn't doing is doing anything as i believe you've implied, that i was cleaning off or washing off guns or putting guns in a raincoat. and i can promise you that i wasn't doing any of the. >> what you're telling this jury, is that it's a random vigilante the 12-year-old -- that just happened to know that paul and maggie were both at mozilla june 7th, that knew

that they would be at the kennels, alone, on june 7th, and knew that that would not be there, but only between the times of 8:49 and 902. >> you've got a lot of factors in their, mr. ward. all of which i do not agree with. the sum of which i do. >> mr. murdaugh, are you a family annihilator? >> a family annihilator? you mean like did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> no. i would never hurt maggie murdaugh, i would never hurt paul murdaugh. >> back now with our legal panel, -- criminal defense -- randi kaye who's at the courthouse, randy, in the closing statement, prosecutor really hammered the lies. >> absolutely. creighton waters, that was the theme throughout the whole case. he's a liar. but during that closing argument, he used the word lie, lying, or lie or at least 100

times. and that was a message to the jury. that this guy lied to investigators, he lied to us, he lied to prosecutors, he lied to clients, he lied to his family. he lied to his law partners. and he is lying to you, you cannot trust what he's telling you from the stand. that was his message. >> it's always fascinating, and i'll just give you, we talked about this a lot of times, one of the things that obsessed me, paul murdaugh saying, you know, to the jury, i promise you, and i would never hurt his wife and son. he hurt his wife and son for -- he was spending $60,000 a week in some cases, allegedly, on oxycodone and all sorts of drugs, he hurt them in numerous ways maybe he hadn't shot them earlier, but he had been lying to them for their entire lives. >> yeah. he was counting on the jury drawing a distinction. they could admit to those lies, he collected them about using drugs, admit to lying to his

clients into his partners. but if the jury would see a distinction between all of -- that >> interesting, what i want you to know habitual liar turns to a jury -- jill let me ask you, you're the jury consultant, an habitual liar turn to the jury and said, i promise you this, why would anybody buy that? >> it's interesting, because usually, with witnesses, when they admit things that are really bad about themselves, or really bad that they did, it lends credibility to the rest of the testimony. that, apparently, is not true when that thing is admitting is that you're a liar. so, if you're a liar, you've just told the jury that is really important for them to know. not only is he telling little lies, he's telling big lies. and the big lie is really i think what got him the guilty verdict. >> so, one of the interesting things that i think the prosecution did very well on that cross-examination, when they went over the financial stuff with him. look, your clients in the eyes, and when you look them in the eye, you knew you weren't being

truthful. and you took money. you took money from a quadriplegic, you did that, didn't you? you took money from a teenager, you look them in the eye to. and they were making the parallel between him looking at his clients and lying, seamlessly, just as he looked at the jury in an effort to connect and communicate with them, and look them in the eye to. i think it was a very powerful and impactful part of the prosecution's case to make the parallel between the lies he told, all his life, while looking in the eye, and the lies he was telling to the jury. >> he also did this inventory, you know, which is all right, did you lie to bob jones about the money? yes i did. did you lie to him about -- this but not about that? okay. did you lie to john smith about -- yes i did. while this has nothing to do with the murders, they put him through the -- through how many? through how many names? just to show to the jury how many people he lied to. about how many things.

over what period of time to implant in the minds of the jury, lying is not a second nature to this individual, if you go to. >> mark, how damaging do you think the evidence about the financial crimes was? we should talk about that more when we take a break a you talk mark, welcome back to that. how damaged do you think his financial crimes were to the jury? >> well, i think it was impactful, because it does give that -- who this person really is. it was a weak connection between i have financial problems, therefore, i would kill. but after all, that's exactly what the state had to get to. and they had to bridget, this guy will do anything, he would lie, he will do drugs, he will still money. everything that he can do so it makes it a little bit more easy to accept for a jury, by the way, also kill. i think in that way, they bridged it pretty well. obviously, they did because

they got the conviction, but i do think it was compelling, i did have a concern that you and i talked about, that they may be focusing on the dollars too much. they had to -- the circumstantial evidence on the murdaugh side. >> the question now, of course, are there issues for appeal? we'll talk about that when we come back. also, when we come back, i want to play you one of the most powerful things that the prosecutor said in court -- when randy's piece at the top of the hour. the timeline that he constructed, when you hear the prosecutor's timeline, and what the defense is saying they're claiming was actually happening, you see how impossible it is that there is anybody else involved in this. or at least that it was impossible that alex murdaugh was not there when the killings took place, we'll be right back.

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we'll talk about remarkably speedy justice in the alex murdaugh double murder trial. three hours until deliberation, killing his wife maggie and son paul. the jury presented with a comprehensive anti timeline of events by the prosecution. take a look. >> then, what did you do?

>> i put the chicken up. >> how long did that take? did you get of the golf court to do that? >> i did. you had to go walk to where it was? >> well, yeah. a few feet, but i did that, yes. >> how long did that take? we're at 8:46 now, how long that? take >> seconds. >> just seconds? all right. what did you do after that? >> got back on the golf court. >> what did you do after that? >> i left. >> you left? >> yeah, just jumped off the golf cart in left? >> getting ready to say. i get on the golf court and leave that second, probably not? to get on the golf court leave very quickly, after that, i did. >> i think you testified yesterday, i got out of their. what you get out of there so quick, mr. murdaugh? >> because it was chaotic. it was hot. >> you testified you went inside, and the tvs, on right? >> i did go inside. the tv was on. >> okay. >> and you laid down, is that

right? >> i did. >> before you said you had been napping for an hour or so, after that period of time, now you lay down on the couch? >> that's correct. >> and maybe dozed for a second? >> maybe. >> according to your new story? >> how long did you doze. >> if i dozed, extremely short time. >> you would agree with me from 9022906, your phone finally comes to light from the -- a lot of steps. >> i do agree to that. i was getting ready to go to my mom's house. >> far more steps in a shorter time period that anytime prior, as you've seen from the testimony of this case. what we are so busy doing? >> going to the bathroom? >> no, i don't think -- >> you get on the treadmill? >> no, i did get on a treadmill. >> drug in place? >> no, i didn't jog in place. >> i did not to jumping jacks.

i know what i wasn't doing, and what i wasn't doing is doing anything as i believe you've implied, that i was cleaning off or washing off guns and putting guns in a raincoat, and i could promise you, i wasn't doing any of that. >> back now with our panel. this other moment that he ticked through all the things that would've hand that somebody would've had to have been there exactly right after he left in the few seconds or minutes that they would've had to have come with no guns and realizing that there would be guns there. and that they would've left and taken the exact same path that he took when he left. >> yeah, the prosecution establish really tight timeline. i think they had to about to about 17 minutes. between when there's the cell phone video of the defendant at the kennels, with paul and maggie, and then on where i think the time when the

defendant left moselle to see his mother. that was the tight timeline they were working with. i continue to think that was the most important evidence for the prosecution. just pinned out that timeline, which seemed utterly implausible that someone else would've been able to get to this remote property, which maybe the jury cited as a help establish how remote it was, and get there precisely a time and be alone at the kennels, knowing that there would be weapons available. >> randy, you are there. how did you think that played when the prosecutor did that? >> i think it played really, really well. they had heard so much information, anderson, they weren't allowed to take any notes during this trial. they put on an investigator from the sled, in the final day of the trial. the states case, at least. that's the south carolina law enforcement division. he ticked through his timeline and actually -- ticked through the pieces together. so a couple of instances as you heard there. if he was at the kennels at 8:44, than at 8:47 he said he left the candles, 8:49 he's

back at the house. that is the time the prosecutors believe maggie and paul were dead. by 8:49. he said he went to take a nap, okay, but that was at 8:49. he took a very quick nap. maybe 12 or 13 minutes. because you heard him say, at 902, his phone started showing steps 283 steps in just four minutes. that is a lot of steps in just four minutes. and then he said he left to go to his mother's house at 907. so, did he take a nap? he seemed to be backtracking on that. at 908, the gps data showed that his car slowed down very at the very spot where maggie murdaugh's phone was found on the side of the road in the woods. that was a very critical timeline for them to spell out to the jury. >> let's talk about possible issues for appeal, the financial crimes, there's a lot of evidence admitted. is that a problem or is that something the defense can use? >> it could be. we always go through this and trials where one side is trying to admit evidence, the other side saying, it's prejudicial, it's unfair to be used. let's talk about it as relates

to this case. as relates to this case, you have all this financial information. defenses saying, listen, this is not a financial fraud case. this is a murder case. what's the relevance of this? not only that, it's prejudicial. the jury's gonna get the view that he can't be trusted. well, of course, what happens is that the prosecution says, this is all motive. their whole argument was that he, evading the prosecution, that alec murdaugh did this because the world was closing in. because he was running amok in finances. because he was about to be outed, that his world was crumbling and so, he had to kill his wife and his son so if it goes to the issue of motive, it then becomes admissible. the issue is, whether it's so overwhelmingly damning in prejudicial it has to be problematic. that will be a significant issue on appeal. >> do the trials for the financial crimes that they continue now? >> they can, and i expect that they would. unless the defendant plead guilty to them. he's already admitted under oath in this trial to having committed i believe all the

crimes he's been charged with. so, that would be very damning evidence, if it were to talk to trial on those charges. now, it may be, depending on what the sentences, that the prosecution after consulting with the victims of those financial frauds, decides not to go forward. but, especially in light of the -- that i was just referencing, one additional reason to go for the financial fraud charges would be on the chance that his conviction for the murders were overturned on appeal. >> your defense attorney, do you think there's grounds for appeal? >> that's gonna be a lot of ground to try and get an appeal. however, the appellate court looks at this, was it so prejudicial that it caused an unfair trial? they always do what's called -- which is there's so much compelling evidence, that even if there was a mistake at trial, even if there was a prejudice as joey said, to the defense, is it harmless? because there's so much other compelling evidence, and with a three hour verdict, with five

weeks worth of testimony, with everything that we've now seen and looking through the prism of the guilty verdict, i think the appellate courts are gonna say, there were some mistakes here, but it was harmless, and they're going to allow the conviction to stand. >> taylor, what are you most interested in hearing from the members of the jury? >> oh, great question. yeah, i think i would be very curious to hear what was most important to them. how they reached their decision. i think there's a lot of talk about motive, i know they don't need a motive, jurors usually do need a motive. and what did they think, was the motive? what did it matter to them? i'd be most curious to know what it was that crossed the line for them. was it the big lie, or was it something more -- a combination? at what point did they make the decision? >> that was one of the questions all alone of the prosecutions, the motive that they put forward, well, he's

trying to cover-up this financial crime. that was always a question, with the jury believe that was such a compelling motive that he would do what seems to be unthinkable? which is point blank, point a shotgun and a rifle at your son and wife and pull the trigger repeatedly. >> i thought that was really interesting part of the prosecution's rebuttal. the prosecutor said, toward the end of it, we don't have to prove motive. i think i prove motive, i think i know why he did it. which is, he loved alex. he loved alex more than he loved paul and maggie. so, this may have not forever solved his problems. it put it off for a while. he did what he needed to do in that moment for alex. i thought that was really interesting, it was an acknowledgment that maybe the states theory of motive wasn't perfect, but it was the best they can come up with. and at the end of the day, they didn't have to prove motive. >> in this hbo max documentary, they have the prison phone calls between alex murdaugh and buster. after he's incarcerated.

they are pathetically said. just the long silences, they're very little to say to each other. the whole thing is just tragic, obviously. >> look, there's no right to privacy in prison. these calls are constantly recorded. it's interesting, that's part of it. because we get to see the dynamic. what's interesting to me, anderson, and what government to be looking forward when the jurors are actually interviewed, they may very well say, look, we don't know if that was the motive, nor do we even give it that much weight. what we do know is, he's the guy that did it. and at the end of the day, that's what matters. because every lawyer will tell you, motive just doesn't have to be proven, it's not an element of the crime, yes, inquiring minds jurors want to know, but you don't have to establish that. i just want to hear what they have to say about that motivation. >> maggie murdaugh sister took the stand, marion proctor was her name, i want to play some of her testimony. >> she loved her family, she

loved her boys. >> what was your understanding of maggie's attempt of weather gonna do that night? >> i was under the impression they were going over to alameda to visit his parents. >> you encouraged her to go to moselle? >> i did. >> was that the last time you talked to her? >> yes. i just couldn't believe it. i didn't think it was true. i asked him, i said, alec, do you have any idea who's done this? i said, we have got to find out who's done this. who could do this. and he said, he did not know who it was, but he felt like whoever did it had thought about it for a really long time. >> did that strike you as odd? >> i just didn't know what that meant. we will talk about the boat case, and he was very intent on clearing paul's name.

>> what did he say? >> he said that his number one goal was clearing paul's name. [crying] i thought that was so strange. my number one goal was to find out who killed my sister and paul. >> and alex was he grieving? >> terribly. >> -- would you describe described as being destroyed? would you agree with that assessment? >> yes. >> maggie murdaugh's sister, marianne proctor. it's interesting, she was saying that alec was saying his number one goal is to clear paul's name. again, there is video from the hospital the night of the boat accident, where a teenager has been killed. then the evidence suggests that paul was at the wheel of alex murdaugh with his father, going

to the hospital, going room to room trying to get people to not necessarily talk to police. here's a lawyer that we can get you, trying to massage the whole incident to take paul out of the equation. >> i think that was part of the prosecution's theory of the gathering storm here. overall, the sense that he cared not only about his finances, but about his name and his legacy, his famous family's legacy. in the community. so, that story is consistent with the story you're talking about, with respect to the boating accident. let's get our family out of this incident. >> i also wonder how much the drug use, i guess there's evidence that he was spending this amount of money on drugs, how long did the drug use predate his financial crimes? he was using the drug use saying, that's with the financial crimes were related to, i had a huge addicted to opioids.

which came first? it's not clear to me, i'm not sure if that was presented. randi, was there any testimony about that a court. >> there was a lot of talk of his alleged opioid use in this habit of his. even the defense tried to use it as an excuse for him lying to investigators. he was paranoid, he had been taking so many opioids that he just wasn't thinking right. he was acting like an addict. he even used the opioids as an excuse for when he was trying to explain when he showered that day in the whole clothing change on june 7th. he said he had been in the field with paul during the day in the afternoon, riding around the property. he was a lot bigger than, he was sweaty, the opioids made him sweat a lot. so, he definitely sprinkled that throughout his testimony. and the defense sprinkle that as well. it's really unclear, we know the financial crimes are going on, for decades, he apparently

has been using both. >> when you look at, you know, what's happening in the days immediately before this, we're still kind of searching around the motive that was introduced. but not laid out in the smoking gun way. you've got alex murdaugh's wife staying at the beach house, which i think is your families. not living with her at home. you've got the sun that finds the computer bag with a bag full of hundreds of pills. and his mind, you know, you may have if my wife goes south on me, and we end up in a divorce proceeding, and she's gonna testify as to what she knows, which is heard, what she's seen. it's something he referenced a minute ago, his world is crashing in around him. he's thinking, and i'm projecting here, he's thinking, how do i change these factors? what do i have to eliminate? out of this equation and how will it affect my future?

>> what's so stunning about that, it's only i think a couple of days, off to look at the exact amount of days, after he has killed his wife and son for that very reason. that somebody in his law firm stumbled across a check that was made out to him, that should not have been made out to him. that start an investigation internally within the law firm. that they then start to uncover this unbelievable cavalcade of fraud. we're gonna take a short break, we're gonna pick up on that questions of the drug use, and what it could mean for sentencing after another short break.

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said that exist tomorrow for alec murdaugh, -- the guilty verdict the potential factor which we talked about before the break, murdaugh's drug addiction which he talked about on the stand. how many pills were you using that the? >> depends on a number of items,

most importantly, how strong the pill was. >> how many are you taking at one time? how frequent? in this time period looks a january two -- >> there is a point in time, i'm not sure what it was, i think it was well before that. you had to understand this. this is something that i didn't i can still remember the first time i ever took an oxy -- >> alex can i ask you to answer my question, my question was, how many we taking a day during this time from january to june. answer that first please everyone explain, i'm happy to let you do so. >> i'm not positive, and here's why. it's because over the years as i've saying the first oxycontin one oxycontin maybe literally sick. and that was when i was transitioning from heidrick oden to oxycodone. it may be sick because it's a

really strong. one oxycontin pill was like ten -- pills. anyway, as i took more and more, over the years, you build up a tolerance to pain pills. what might give me this energy the reason the reason became so addicted, some people talk about pain pills and how they make them lethargic and where they can't do anything. opiates gave me energy. whatever i was doing made it more interesting, it made me want to do it longer. to go on a drive, it made driving -- that the beginning, it made everything better. >> i wanna talk about with the panel, i want to correct

something before the break, i said it was just days after the killings that the czech was found by someone in the law firm, that was actually three months after the killings. but as jessica pointed out, the day of the murders, the chief financial officer of the law firm confronted -- and had a talk with -- with murdaugh about what they had discovered already the day of the killing. >> how do you think the drug use played in the verdict? >> you know, what just get i were talking about, that was used as a mitigating factor in sentencing. in english, what happens when there's a sentencing, there's aggravating factors and mitigating factors. i think the sentencing is going to be all about the nature and gravity of the offense. i think that he spends the rest of his life in jail, period. if the drug use factored into the killing, now that might be, in my view, something you could mitigate and say, hey, my client was on drugs and opioids, and this in that. but he had known the killing -- he just owned the opioids for different reason. so, i don't think it assists

him at all if that's the question. i think there's no way that he does not, there's no way he leaves that jail for the rest of his life. that's my view on the sentencing. >> prosecutors pointed out, he said that he lied the night because he was high. and paranoid. they also pointed out aldrin investigation, even after he stopped using, allegedly. he was still lying. >> i don't see the judge considering the opioid addiction as being a mitigating factor with respect to the sentencing. one of the challenges of having the sentencing at 9:30 am tomorrow morning, i don't think it's gonna be an opportunity for either side to present much evidence or do an investigation of the circumstances of the defendants opioid use and when it started and why it started to present any of that. from what the judge has seen during the trial, it's hard for me to imagine that the judge is going to view that as a particularly mitigating circumstance here. >> mark, what are you expecting tomorrow? >> first of all, i thought it was gonna be done tomorrow morning, as was just said, there's not a lot of time to do

any type of mitigation. presumably, they've done this beforehand. we have to admit what this judge looks at this case. he stays impartial to the verdict. now, he has a verdict. there's no reasonable doubt left, there's no residual left. this man intentionally and with all malice of forethought and all these other words that he used about the intention that he used, the planning that he used, a premeditation. this judge gave us a hint, this judge is gonna come on that bench tomorrow and say the jury of your peers found you guilty without any question. they considered it. they found you guilty. i find you guilty now, in the power of the verdict, the jury, you're getting convicted because of the heinous nature of everything you did, and when you kill your son and when you kill your wife, you're going to prison for the rest of your life. without question. and no mitigation, even if there was, the suggested mitigation of the opiates is going to change that sentence. >> randi, what do you think of

how drugs played in the courtroom? >> well, i think they understood. i think the jury understood that this was part of his lifestyle. i don't think they took it as an excuse for possibly committing murder, which now we know, he tweeted committed double murder. just very quickly, we say he lied and he was on these opioids and that's why he was lying. he did one final interview with law enforcement in august. just a couple months after the murders. he had already gone, he was from that interview was while he was in rehab. he was clean. and he was specifically asked, where were you, were you at the kennels earlier in the night? he was still lying about it. even after being clean, he was lying about it. he hit no longer blame the opioids. >> he said on the stand to be clean for several hundred days, he was very proud of that, understandably. he was also lying and continue to lie all during that. randi kaye, thank you jill huntley, -- thank you all. cnn's coverage of alec murdaugh's guilty verdict continues. ring

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