recovery. >> "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> we may have the worst criminal justice system in the world. it's better than any other kind there is. the our criminal justice system worked tonight. it gave a voice. to maggie and paul murdaugh. their voice was heard tonight. >> case that the whole country is paying attention to. that was the south carolina attorney general. we're going to talk to him later on this hour. good morning, everyone. >> you have tow talk about the deliberations tomorrow morning. i looked at my phone, nope. i'm talking about the verdict. there is one. three hours. three hours. verdict from the alex murdaugh trial, found guilty of murdering his own wife and son.

bee he's about to learn his fate hours from now. we'll speak to the attorney representing the family of murdaugh's former house keeper. >> tornadoes ripping through the south. heavy snow to the midwest and to the northeast. people in california still trapped in their homes. running out of food after the same storm system dumped seven feet of snow there. >> also this morning on the international front, the situation is critical for ukrainian forces in the besieged city of bakhmuit. the only main bridge into the city has been blown up. russian mers on aries say ukrainian defenders are surrounded. we'll take you live on the ground to eastern ukraine. >> here's where we begin. with a verdict in the double murder trial that gripped the nation. >> guilty verdict. >> verdict, guilty. verdict, guilty. verdict, guilty. >> guilty. all the way around.

alex murdaugh found guilty of murdering his own wife and son. took the jury less than three hours. the sentencing is going to begin at 9:30. it appeared that he mouthed the words, i love you, to his only surviving son buster. prosecutors say murdaugh murdered his own wife and son as a distraction from his financial crimes and problems as a spiralled out of control. the prosecution is seeking life in prison without parole. the minimum is 30 years. murdaugh's defense attorneys say they will appeal. eric bland is joining us, the host of a justice podcast and attorney for the family of gloria satterfield. she was the long time house keeper of alex murdaugh who died in 2018 on that property. he stole more than $4 million in insurance money that was supposeded to go to her family. thank you for joining us this

morning, sir. we appreciate it. >> good morning, don. >> give me your reaction to this jury verdict. what is your reaction? >> well this case had all the earmarkings of privilege and power. the jury returned a guilty verdict. they returned an incredibly guilty verdict. alex put himself square one in front of the jury when he decided to testify which is a very rare thing for somebody who do in his position. especially in a circumstantial evidence case. once he did, it became a referendum on him. he basically said, look, i'm a drug addict, thief and liar. and everybody else in this trial is lying. his sister-in-law, mark, sled, the house keeper for his mother, shelley smith. and what he said is you got to believe me today. when the devil is at the door,

i'm going to tell you the truth. and fortunately the jury didn't believe him. they came back with a verdict. it is extraordinarily fast. and, you know, to be a lawyer in south carolina, you have to understand the soil that you practice on. they understand guns and the realities of guns and how to keep him safe in this family kept him loaded. tons of guns in the house. tons of guns in cars and in golf carts. >> you represented gloria's family. she died on this property and the allegations from the state is that he stole millions of dollars. it was supposed to go to her familiarly. we heard the south carolina attorney general say last night at a press conference, this is at least justice.

can't bring him back. it's justice. does it feel like justice to the satterfield family as well? >> sure. i mean, look what they accomplished. we recovered over $7.5 million for them. we have a judgement against alex for $4,300,000. we got him criminally charged in the satterfield case. and last week he admitted to that on the stand. so his not guilty verdict now is very problem at whik they schedule this trial on the satterfields. and at the end of the day, we have the glorious gift foundation to provide gifts for under privileged families at christmas. so gloria did not die in vain. once we came forward, hers was the first case to unravel all of the financial crimes and empowered other victims to come forward as well. >> it was amazing to see him admit on the stabbed he did

steal from clients. he did steal from people and her family and the law firm. you're talking about moving quickly with the verdict. we are also going to see the sentencing hearing this morning. what you are expecting to happen there? >> i think what you're going to see is the state is going to say he shouldn't get 30 years or anything other than life. and life without parole. this is an extremely violent crime with aggravating circumstances. multiple guns. and it's familiar side. it's killing your wife and your son. and then lying about it to your only living son. look, the biggest victim in all of this is buster. buster the young son who is 26 years old. he doesn't have a mother, brother, and now losing his father. this family name is tarnished forever, kaitlan. >> that's a really good point to keep him nind. he was in the courtroom during this trial. >> eric bland, thank you so much. we really appreciate a paerg

here on cnn. be well. >> have a good day. >> thank you very much. >> so in our next hour, we're going to talk to a south carolina attorney general about this verdict. >> this morning, tornadoes tearing through north texas. forcing the cancellation of hundreds of flights in dallas. wind gusts reaching up to 70 miles an hour, strong enough to topple tractor trailers and destroy some homes and businesses. we're live in little elm, texas. what happened there, ed? >> this was the facade of a meat market that was blown over. a half daz cars crashed under there. they blew into southern oklahoma. this storm system stretched about 500 miles long from san antonio all the way in to

southeast oklahoma with winds close to 70 miles per hour at times. causing flight delays and cancellations at a number of airports and we're waking up to 100,000 customers without power. many customers include school campuses. so we're seeing reports of a number of school districts here in the north texas area that are cancelling classes today. the good news is that there isn't widespread damage. this is probably the worst we have seen. there were no reports of major injuries or deaths through this. but it is also the second line of severe storm that's we've seen happen this week. so this is a vivid reminder that we're off to an early start in the spring storm season. it is going to be a long few months, i suspect.

poppy? >> thank you for your team. >> also this morning, california has activated the national guard to help san bernardino county dig out from all that snow. hook at this. this caused the weight of the grocery store to claps in on itself. and lake arrow head, they're trying to put out this blaze. it is made difficult because of how much snow there is still on the ground. we're live from san bernardino, california. you know, you can see how frustrated the residents are. they're kind of reaching this point where the snow stopped. but they can't get out of it. they can't get basics. is there any sign of when they're going to be able to get out of their homes? >> it could take ten doiz daiz

-- ten days. they're responding to emergency calls. they're doing everything to evacuate people that need to be evacuated. the bottom line is it is going to take time. a lot of the people that i talk to told me that they're scared. they're frustrated and they want to see more being done here. >> first of all, really frustrating. now it's to the point that we're somewhat scared. >> derrick hayes was stuck. >> there is no way to walk around. it's up to my neck in a lot of places. you take a step, you sink down. you have to crawl yourself back out of the snow to try to get on top of it to even move around. >> derrick one manufacture stranded. >> it's pretty unfathomable. >> the only thing they can do is wait for help. >> it's just crazy. there is no way to get out anywhere. >> their concerns, food, heat,

medical emergencies or merchandise and food for their pets just to name a few. the mountains do get plenty of snow in the winter. but the past few weeks have been unprecedented. with the national weather service issuing its first ever blizzard warning. >> we're trying to get the infrastructure up the mountain to clear the roadways so we can essentially get, you know, the people that live up there back to their houses and the people that are stuck up there. >> emergency crews so far carrying out roughly 100 rescues. >> the governor also declaring a state of emergency for san bernardino county and 12 others. activating the national guard. residents say lives are in danger. >> we're actually going to be getting a neighbor out of his house. he's a cancer patient.

he has a doctors appointment. >> some have been struggling nonstop. >> dig out the truck for the fourth time? >> but not all are able to do so. >> it's one of the roughest experience and you go into survival mode. you keep pushing through. i feel incredibly bad for anyone that hasn't got that it's presence. >> i want to point out that the storms have improved drought conditions in california. the snow pack is the largest it's been in decades. kaitlan? >> yeah. thank you. thinking of all the people stuck right now. thank you. >> the fighting has been nonstop in bakhmuit as they inch closer

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fighting in eastern ukraine is intensifying. soldiers say the assault on bakhmuit is critical. the supply rout in and out of the city was blown up by russian forces. a mandatory evacuation order put in place. 5,000 people including children are still there. we're in eastern ukraine. this was the question all week , alex. you mention thousands of civilians. we were going on an evacuation mission with a team earlier

today. that operation was called off because this bridge was blown up. this bridge was on main supply route. really the only paved road that ukrainian forces were able to use in in and out of bakhmuit. we showed you that road on the edge of town yesterday. you saw all the military vehicles going to and from the front. now we understand from a soldier in bakhmuit that bridge was taken out by a large missile which means, poppy, ukrainian forces in bakhmuit are surrounded on three sides. if they want to resupply, if they want to pull out and evacuate people this he have to do so on dirt roads. it is very difficult. it leaves them very vulnerable. for now, there is no order to evacuate. ukrainian forces, we're told, are still standing their ground. but it is getting very, very difficult for those ukrainian forces. >> what is the significance, alex, of the founder of the

wagner group calling on president zelenskyy to order a withdraw from bakhmuit? >> yeah. and the forces are the ones leading the fight against the ukrainian forces. in a new video this morning, telling president zelenskyy to pull the forces out because the forces are surrounded. he says that will be completed in a day or two. the so that he should pull the troops out now to save their lives. we were speaking with ukrainian forces yesterday in that neighboring town just about three miles or five kilometer as way. they're saying they need to keep fighting for the city because if it is taken by the russians, it will be a major victory. they will be able to press forward, deep near eastern ukraine. and that that town and many others like it will be the next target for russian forces. >> we just saw you there this week. alex, thank you very, very much. >> what is happening there on the ground with alex and in ukraine overall, sure to be on

the agenda today as president biden is preparing to welcome a key nato ally to the white house. he is going to have a face-to-face with the german chancellor. that is coming to a new concern among struggle to fight off the russian offensive and willingness of allies to send weapons. today the white house is said to announce another round of military aid to ukraine. we should note, we're covering this live at the state department this morning. this is kind of remarkable how much their relationship changed and his relationship now in this one-year period. i don't think anyone would have imagined that they were sending stinger cards or to ukraine.

they have taken a an approach because of the involvement in world war ii. germany has really come along. it is worth mentioning that. i do think now that they're going to be focused on looking forward, of course, we heard from the white house yesterday from john kirby talking about the fact that they'll be looking at what ukraine needs next, coordination in terms of what allies can give ukraine. and then for two things that i'll be watching for. i think the first is china. this idea of them potentially providing lethal assistance to ukraine. senior administration officials said that will be a central focus of the conversation. we did hear earlier this week from shultz warning china against going forward with this lethal aid so we could see some conversations about coordination if there is a response to that. and then also how this war comes to an end. shultz talked about providing security guarantees and discussing that with allies. they try to bring about a negotiated end, look to fighting

before that. we don't expect there to be anything new. mostly what this will be according to the white house is additional information for what they v we know as this battle heats up on the eastern front, the ukrainians do need that ammunition. it is significant. john kirby said that we shouldn't expect there to be any new developmentes in terms of accelerating a system to ukraine. of course that, is a major question that reporters have been asking about. but there will be more assistance. >> thank you. >> well, it's official. congress is investigating george santos. a house ethics committee announcing they will be looking into the first term congressman who has extensively lied about his past. will it amount to anything? live on capitol hill? >> also president biden bound the gop and avoiding a veto

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this morning george santos under investigation by the house ethics committee. santos is facing intense scrutiny and calls to resign after admitting to lying about his resume and biography. lauren fox live on capitol hill with more this morning. good morning, lauren. there have been so many lies. so the what exactly is the ethics committee going to look at? >> yeah. don, this is the committee that republican leaders have been pointing to as the reason they didn't want to take action against george santos. they repeatedly said. house ethics is going to look into it now they are, don. specifically, they're looking at a few areas. whether or not he may have broken federal election laws in the course of his campaign. they're also looking at whether or not he properly filed documents to the house of representatives. that could include things like financial disclosure forms and

they are looking at allegations into whether or not he engaged in sexual misconduct related to an individual that was seeking employment in his office. the house ethics committee investigation could go on for weeks or months. there are a few powerful things they could do or recommend the house of representatives does. one of them is potentially expelling jogeorge santos from congress. they could offer a censure which could force him to stand in the well of the house and be admonished by colleagues. or they could issue a reprimand when ch is really no more than a slap on the wrist, don. but that gives you a sense of what the house ethics committee could actually do to george santos if he were expelled from congress which only happened five times in the house. they would need two-thirds of republicans and democrats in that body to vote for it, don. >> he has denied the harassment allegations, by the way. we should mention the committee is also investigating

congresswoman. what is new in that investigation? >> yeah. this was an official letter that the house ethics committee issued yesterday saying they're justining an investigation into whether or not the congresswoman may have improperly accepted gifts. this is related to her attending the 2021 met gala. there are responses from her office's council saying they don't believe the congresswoman did anything wrong. but again, this is just house ethics issuing that letter saying they are continuing to look into this matter, don. >> lauren fox, capitol hill this morning. thank you, lauren. also this morning in washington, president biden says he'll not stand in the way of a republican led effort to overturn a new criminal code in washington, d.c. vowing to republicans and steering clear of a potential veto fight. republicans have been hammering the district's council's changes as soft on crime. they repealed the measure and sent it to the senate where momentum started to build as some democrats are putting support behind it.

>> we don't support what the district did. it is surely not a question of supporting where republicans are. i just don't support what the district did. if anything, we should be increasing penalties for certain offenses. >> what we're talking about here is a new law that reduces maximum sentences for certain violent crimes like carjacking. increasing others. the white house is arguing that biden's concern about softening some of the sentences has outweighed his broad support for the district to govern itself. >> the president doesn't support changes like lowering penalties for carjacking. this piece is different. but, again, it doesn't change the administration's strongly supporting hr 516 which would have made d.c. the 51st state. that is something he still very much supports. statements like that, though, have not reassured city officials including the attorney general who said, quote, any effort to overturn the district of colombia's democratically

enacted laws degrades the right of the nearly 700,000 residence and elected officials to self-govern. joining us now for more on this is democratic senator tom carper of delaware who reintroduced a bill recently that would grant washington, d.c. statehood. good morning, senator. thank you for being here. do you agree with the president on this? >> what needs to happen here is the washington, d.c., council and the mayor need to work together. the krcriminal code hasn't been updated for 100 years. they didn't get it entirely right when they went through the exercises over the last year. they need to fix it. and including the carjacking that has been mentioned in the course of this pt. they can do that. once we get that, the new criminal code will be in place. the provisions in it that are 100 years old need to be updated. but they didn't have carjacking 100 years ago. this is a new wrinkle compared to what we started with.

but this can be fuchlixed and i shouldn't be that hard. >> the question for me is one that believes that washington, d.c., here's a place they ought to -- they pay more federal taxes than any other state. they have tens of thousands people that serve in active duty. necessity t they don't have a vote in the house and senate. they should have a voice. the people in washington, d.c., ought to be treated well. just like the people in east palestine should be treated the way we want to treat our neighbors. >> absolutely going to talk about that. but given what you're saying that d.c. should be able to make their own decisions y, why shou congress get involved here? that's what is happening. >> the people of washington, d.c., deserve an updated krunl c -- criminal code. carjacking should be a serious manner and punished. the mayor and city council have the opportunity to fix it now.

they ought to fix it. when they do, it will be enacted. that will be a yesterday story. that's what needs to be happening. >> you've argued that d.c. has the right to govern itself. does this move by the president not undermine that? >> no. i don't think -- i don't think so at all. if anything, probably the other direction. you know, i mention golden rule. treat people the way we want to be treated. people in washington, d.c., deserve a vote in congress. they have more people in several states. they pay more taxes. and yet they don't have any representation. i remember a vietnam veteran. we had people in my squad who were from the district of colombia. they didn't get to vote. we were right in the middle of a war. that's wrong. we can fix this too -- at the same time. >> and you said that is really important you to. that's why you reintroduced that bill. but this is a little confusing

coming from the white house. they did put out a statement of the policy february 6. it said congress should respect the district of colombia's autonomy to govern its own local affairs. now the president is saying he'll sign this republican-led measure to overturn the crime bill that thaey've revised. >> i think we have to be practical. the criminal code hasn't been updated for 100 years. they need to update it. they made a mistake with respect to carjacking. they shouldn't be relaxing the penalties of carjacking. maybe if anything, carjacking is a serious problem across our country. this can be fixed. let's get it done. the mayor -- the mayor knows this, i think the council knows this. let's get it done. after we resolve this let's turn the page to the next step and say now how do we go about making sure the people of washington, d.c., all 800,000 of them have a voice and a vote in the house and in the senate? i believe they deserve.

>> so safe to say you will be voting for this? >> i'm lined up with the president on this. >> okay. >> get this done. the mayor knows what to do. i think the council knows what to do. let's do it. >> all right. thank you, senator. i know you are also going to be chair -- you're the chair of the committee where we're going to see the ceo of norfolk southern coming and testifying next week. fl he is someone that a lot of people want to have heard from. he did not go to a town hall in east palestine last night. what questions do you have for the ceo? >> i think for us, this is -- the senator of west virginia, she and i believe that the members of the environmental public works committee with, very jurisdiction over epa. i think the question we'll have next thursday, we invited him and a bipartisan group of senators that have this legislation led by sharon brown and others. but i want to know and i think we want to know how this happened. what has been done to address

it? how do we make sure this doesn't happen again? how would we want to be treat philadelphia we lived in east palestine? during the vietnam war, i had a lot of friends and in ohio and this area. i want to make sure that they get treated the way that we would want to be treat philadelphia wtreated if we were in their shoes. we'll have a hearing on thursday and have a chance to hear what that legislation would do. i think at the end of the day, norfolk southern has to be held accountable. the key is we want to make sure that not only do we take care of the people whose neighbors, this community that has been turned on its head, we want to make sure that there's longer term health concerns that those are addressed. epa, i will say this, they don't always get credit. within hours, they had a response team on the site at the crash site. head of epa has been there. i think two, three, four times

already. and epa, part of the responsibility as a whole and we're going to do that. >> senator, you mentioned that legislation that has been introduced by a bipartisan group. do you think the railroad companies are going to fight that legislation? >> zit doesn't matter so much what i think. it is a regular order. we have a huge problem here that needs to be addressed. there has to be latia legislati fix. this is what we think should be done. we'll have a chance to discuss that in our hearing. as we go forward in the days to come, we'll decide whether or not that is the right approach or if it needs to be tweakeded. and regular order. have hearings, decide, discuss, debate it and in community and on the floor. treat people the way we want to be treated. most of all, make sure this doesn't happen again. do the best we can to make sure this doesn't happen again. i'm in delaware right now. del ze delaware is where the constitution was first ratified.

it starts off with saying we the peoplest united states in order to form a more perfect union, doesn't say a perfect union, a more perfect union. the idea was we knew we were not perfect then and we're not perfect now. we can do better. we can do better than this and we will. >> senator, i know trains are one of your favorite modes of transportation. really important issue to so many people and those in east palestine. thank you for joining us this morning. >> you bet. i ride the train four, five times a week. this is foremost on mind. thank you. the astronauts aboard a spacex crew dragon have officially docked with the international at space station. we'll show you the first moments inside the station next. eight years ago, the first responders saved the live of a newborn baby boy who stopped breathing. now they are again going beyond the call of duty to raise money for heart surgery that boy desperately needs.

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to space now. this morning four astronauts successfully docked at the international space station after taking off in a spacex crew capsule. the first time flyer and the veteran along with colleagues from the uae and russia will spend six months in space conducting science experiments, carrying out routine maintenance on the two decade old space station. they take over from four astronauts current think who will be returning home. i bet they're excited. >> are you kidding? >> would you go to space. >> no way. i can barely get on a plane. >> kaitlan? >> kaitlan probably would. >> i don't know if i would. i'm not so sure. >> no one is inviting me. >> it's not really about flying. it's like you're away from the earth and then, you know, soming happens you just go out into nowhere. i don't know. >> probably a smoother flight

than a domestic flight. >> exactly. >> so you're going to love this next story, right, because of what they're doing. fire fighters in green bay who once helped save the life of a wisconsin newborn have now come to a rescue once again. 8 years later, they helped little doug with health issues that nobody saw coming. we have more on the first responders who went beyond the call of duty. >> no, that's fine. >> reporter: the beal family kitchen. is a battleground for little doug. but his parents, doug senior and cammy say playful moments like this almost didn't happen because their son was born at home premature. >> he was about 5 1/2 weeks early. >> his eyes were open. he wasn't breathing. chad had him in his hand. he was carrying him down stairs. >> reporter: that is this chad. now a betalon chief with the

green bay fire department. they were among the firefighters and paramedics responding to the unresponsive newborn call eight years ago. >> you are doing a two finger for a while. and then you're doing a thumb for a while. >> i'll never forget when he let out a little bit of a scream. we were high fiving in the back of the truck. i was like this is hope. >> they came to visit him in the hospital. they brought him a stuffed animal which he still has. >> reporter: they kept in touch, attending birthday parties, trips to the fire station, and then this summer when a mechanical pum thap does what doug's heart can't began to fail. they showed up. >> just again being right there for us. >> so we were in the hospital in milwaukee. they put him on end of life care. that's where the firemen were such a blessing. because they had such a strong belief in him. they just knew this is a little fighter. and he's going to make it. and he's going to be okay. >> reporter: they started a dollars for doug fund-raiser so he could open his own bank account. one of doug's wishes.

>> it's tough. yeah. i cried. it was a punch in the gut. just because of the connection we had. >> him coming back from day one was a miracle. i was like, this miracle can't end. >> reporter: then a surprise the firefighters weren't expecting. the doctor with children's hospital in houston, texas, took a chance by performing a life saving surgery. >> little doug is making history in our medical community. it's very rare. >> this is what happens. keep taking chances. >> reporter: now doug is changing the batteries on the machine that pumps his heart and making big life deposits. >> he has paid us in ways that you can't put any dollar amount on. >> reporter: cnn, green bay, wisconsin. >> they should call him miracle doug. >> the whole time poppy is --

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pushing along strong. seven weeks straight of jobless claims under 200,000. who better to chat about this and more, "shark tank's" kevin o'leary has invested in 50 companies and employs 1,500 people, coverage size about 30 employees. >> does it annoy you when people call you mr. wonderful? >> no, it's an honor. which they it was barbara 15 years ago was facetious on "shark tank." she said, aren't you mr. wonderful? i said, yes. my wife does not call me mr. wonderful. i can guarantee you that. >> let's just start with why on earth it's so hard to hire and keep good employees these days. >> over the last three years there is a new generation of worker, particularly financial services and in technology, engineering that has no intention of working in an office. never have. never will.

so when you are out there hiring now, part of the negotiation is where they are going to work. and so if you are competing, which we still are because under employment is under 4%? an extraordinary economy, we are supposedly going to a recession, full employment, makes no sense. plumping $3 trillion into the economy has provided a lot of liquidity. so we are hiring every day and competing every day and we cannot get them in the office. 44% of our employees now across our venture portfolio work remotely and they ain't coming into the office, period. >> wow. >> that's it. that's just the way it's going to be. >> how is that for productivity? >> it hasn't changed anything because they don't know anything else. some just got out of college. they never worked in an office. basically, what it changes is it's project management. you say to somebody, look, i got to get this done by next friday at noon. you don't care when they do it. and they are not working nine to five. as long as it gets done.

it changes the way you manage these companies. you are project management on everything. it's not nine to five. however, there is probably less private time on weekends. i call my employees 24/7. that's the deal. if you don't work in the office i can call you at two in the morning. they are going to answer. that's the way they are used to it. we have people working in india, vietnam, cambodia, france, switzerland, everywhere that have different skill sets and here is the one thing that nobody saw coming and this is the competition of states. i don't put companies here in new york any more or in massachusetts or new jersey or california. those states are uninvestable. the policy is insane. the taxes are too high. we put them in fargo, north dakota, because 40% of the people work elsewhere, including boston. so i was, you know, a bit of a debate with elizabeth about this, i said, look, senator, we have to move the companies out

of your state because you are not investable anymore. you are punishing people if they are successful, hit them with a super tax. new jersey, new york. >> why is new york uninvestable. >> try to do a project in new york. >> don's point, is it beyond the taxes? >> the regulatory environment is punitive. i had a project in upstate new york behind niagara falls for energy, eventually it was so bad with the politicians in the local region and state policy we moved it to norway and all the jobs. norway has it now. thousands of jobs coming out of that. that's new york. uninvestable. sorry, don't shoot the messenger. just telling you the way it is. >> we hear push back from elected officials in new york on thashlgts kathy hochul. >> i will debate them any time of the day you want, particularly aoc. she is great at killing jobs. she kills jobs by the thousands.

another problem, where did amazon take their jobs? away from her. she threatened to sue them if they created jobs. this is a reality that -- >> there is a little more to it, but -- >> sorry just telling you the truth. >> especially with amazon in new york. quickly, what was elizabeth warren's response when you said that to her? >> i have a lot of respect for her because it's okay to have a debate about politics, but not policy. when you have punitive policy, you are making a mistake. i want to put up my hand and say i don't agree, senator, with your policy. i respect you as a politician. a very successful one. she is very successful. and that's the state where i grew my kids. our family grew up in boston, massachusetts. we left there to move to florida like everybody else is because it's a tough place to -- this is a tough message. people are critical about this but somebody has to call it out because this is a competition of

states now and we don't put none there anymore, we put it in other places and jobs are created elsewhere. over time this will diminish new jersey, diminish new york, diminish massachusetts and california out of business. out of business. el morte. you can't do business there. i don't know what it will turn into. maybe a tourist zone. no business. imagine san francisco. you can't even walk at night on the street. sorry. >> what's happening in other areas. i am from alabama. with hiring workers we were talking about a moment ago is a real issue. i have a family member who moved to paper checks they distributed on friday because they were having difficulty getting peep to come to work five days a week. with we bach about laughs in the tech sector, that's not reflected in the economy as a whole. you are not seeing the level of layoffs. >> no. 65% of our economy is companies between 5 and 500 employees.

and those are the ma and pa businesses that make up the core and the success of the american economy. they are doing quite well because the consumer is still really well financed. and so you ask why do we still have inflation encore items like food and energy, because there is a lot of money sloshing around the system. it's a remarkable time. full employment, rates goings up at the fastest they have ever done since the '60s, and still, you know, people are pointing to a lot of success in small business. most of our companies are having very good quarters right now and people talk about tech. tech is a little different. i mean, you know, they overhired a bit. it got very frothy. now they are cutting back. but tech is only 22% of the s&p. there are 11 sectors. what about the rest? they are doing quite well. so it's an interesting time in america. there is a lot of politics. but i think we should all be focusing on policy now. it doesn't matter who is in the white house. doesn't matter. if you remember, jfk was very

pro-business. democrat. there is lots of great democrats that do terrific work in the white house. >> on policy, since you care so much about policy -- >> i do. >> you made your name in business. you have a lot of thoughts for a lot of lawmakers. why don't you run? >> i did once. i am a canadian. i am also irish. i ran for leadership in the conservative party in canada in 2016 and i want to make a comment that i think you will appreciate. i have such respect for every politician i have met since then. it's the hardest job in the world to get up at four in the morning, campaign in a small town, move to the next town, to the next town, to the next town all day long, working 20 hours a day and then the difference between celebrity and politics is celebrity people don't like you. in politics, 50% of the

constituency hates you. that is a whole different drjts dinds what politician you are. >> i don't care what side of the bench you are on. there is a lot of crazy stuff that happens to your family. every politician will tell you this. i respect them. i don't have to agree with them. i respect every one of them, even elizabeth warren -- >> there is a way to disagree on policy -- >> she is a fantastic politician. she can really raise money. >> you were talking about places that are uninvestable right now and not -- >> we are sitting in one right here. sorry. >> that's a bigger conversation. >> we will ask governor hochul for her response to that. >> yes. see it here on "cnn this morning." >> no money for this place. sorry. that's it. >> good to see you, kevin. have a good weekend. "cnn this morning" continues right now.