but you have the opportunity to do so. >> i will tell you again, that i respect this court. i am innocent. i would never under any circumstances hurt my wife maggie and i would never under any circumstances hurt my son paw-paw. >> and it might not have been you. it might have been the monster that you have become when you take 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 opioid pills, and maybe you become another person. i have seen that before. the person standing before me is not the person who committed the crime, though it is the same individual.

we'll leave that at that. before announcing sentence on these cases with regard to all of the other pending cases, are any of them here in kco collite? >> i believe some of them are, and have been in buford and other places. >> we may have worn out our welcome here. and i will thank all of the

sheriff's office, and i know that mr. harpootlian has sacrificed many, many things, and to have the attorney general here, mr. alan wilson, to be here along with everyone else, it has been quite a sacrifice, but there are other victims whose cases deserve to be heard. and this case has jumped some of those other cases, perhaps

jumped it because of the case assaulting the integrity of the judicial integrity of our state, and even in this trial, the law enforcement have been maligned for the past five or six weeks by one who had access to the wheel of justice to be able to deflect the investigation and as the evidence has pointed out in this case, looming storm that mr. waters talked about.

i can just imagine on that day june 7th when a lawyer is confronted an confesses to having stolen over half a million dollars from a client and he has a tagger like mark tinsley on his tail pursuing the death of mallory beach and having a father for the most part on his death bed, i can imagine, or i can't really imagine, but i know that it had to be quite a bit going through your mind on that day. but amazingly to have you come

to testify that it was just another ordinary day that my wife and son and i were just out enjoying life. it is not credible. it is not believable. you can convince yourself about it, but obviously, you have the inability to convince anyone else about that. so, if you made any such arguments as a lawyer, you would lose every case about that, and cases that you will not have the opportunity to argue anymore except perhaps your own as you sit in the department of corrections. anything further? >> no, sir. >> all right. mr. murdaugh, i sentence you to the state department of

corrections on each of the murder indictments in the murder of your wife maggie murdaugh, i sentence you for the term of your natural life. for the murder of paul murdaugh, whom you probably loved so much, i sentence you to prison for murdering him for the rest of your natural life. those sentences will run consec consecutive. under the statute involving a crime where there is no other involving indictment of other crimes, you are mandated to the

department of corrections. and officers may carry forth on the imposition. yes, sir ? we have just witnessed quite a moment in an american courtroom, the judge in the alec

murdaugh case delivering two consecutive life sentences for alec murdaugh, one each for the murder of his wife and for the murder of his son, and he said in these words that murdaugh would spend the rest of his natural life in prison for those crimes, and quite a preamble to that sentence, twice, alec murdaugh said he was innocent, and i would never under any circumstances hurt my wife, and i would never under any circumstances hurt my son paw-paw. and the judge said that he would not believe him, and he said that throughout the testimony, and many or most, 99% of the people would not believe him, and would continue to not believe him. let's go back in to listen. the order was concerning the

order of the jurors' identity rema remaining anonymous, and except for the jury leaving the courtroom yesterday, and the jury leaving courtroom while the jury was still seated. erica, it struck me and he did raise the point, and judge clifton newman before he got to the consecutive life sentences, the crimes qualify under south carolina death penalty statue that two people were killed, and it struck me for a moment that the judge might be going another way, but it was notable. >> when he was talking about it, he said clearly, that i don't question the state's decision,

but he referenced and we have talked about this a lot in the course of the trial and the last year and half or so since maggie and paul murdaugh were killed, the impact that this family has had on this county in this area of south carolina. and from the perspective of the judge over the past century that this family has been prosecuting people in this courtroom, that people have received death for lesser conduct. >> and how about the detail that he had to have the accused's grandfather's portrait taken down in advance of the trial to help it to be a fair trial. >> absolutely. joey jackson and sarah ford back with us. joey, to continue to pick up with this point so if you are joining us, consecutive life sentences for his wife maggie and son paul murdaugh.

we heard throughout from the judge talking about who alec murdaugh was in his view prior to these moments in court, and who he was today, and he said, maybe you weren't the person who killed them, and maybe you were not the person because you had popped so many pills, and maybe you weren't in that moment, and i have had people who stood before me who committed the crime, but they were the same individual, and i found that interesting, joey that he would lay it out that way. >> remarkable erica, and even the personal connection that the judge would say, hey, i have seen you at events, and known you as a member of the bar, and i have known you and your family to be a beautiful family, and i have known you have to be a nice person, and what happened? and then going back to the point that you made which is compelling that the judge talked about, that, yeah, perhaps it was not you, but maybe it was

the individual who was so strung up on these pills that it happened. big picture, erica, looking at the sentencing issues, they are about punishment, rehabilitation and deterrence, and the judges look for them, and this is clearly a person who could not be rehabilitated, and the judge has to look at what is the appropriate punishment under these circumstances, and is there anything that anyone would believe other than life sentence, and the deterrent fact, that anyone should be able to get away with this, whether you have a portrait hanging on the courthouse door or anyone else. so the judge was thoughtful, and spoke to the sacrifices of the attorney general and the sheriff's department, and he did what the justice demanded and required which is the two consecutive life sentences. >> it is clear that the judge did not believe the denials or

the stories, and he said, that you seem to be lying still here. i want to get to dianne gallagher outside of the courtroom, and you have been following this case for some time, and what is the reaction there? >> well, silence and some gasps. i wanted to add some context here, and you heard him say, i am sure that you loved your son very much. i am sure that you have to see paul and maggie in your sleep. and then he said, all day and every night. and he said, i am sure that you have to see them in your eyes. and he is known for being even

keeled, but as a grieving father, his son died right before this trial began unexpectedly, and he has gone through this listening to alec murdaugh talking about paw-paw and his friend discuss that they had heard him there and identified him there. so he pulled no punches, and we talk about the prominence of the murdaugh family, and the century of them controlling the law as solicitors here, and talking about the portrait being taken down, and creighton waters the gave condolences for his father noting that he had worked with him, and the judge pointing out that they had argued cases before them, and pointing out

how involved everybody in this community is, was with this family, and that alec murdaugh had fooled everyone, and most tragically, he had fooled maggie and paul. i have never seen something like that and i don't know if alec murdaugh has ever had someone look him directly in eyes and dress him down and hold him accountable for the things that he had done. and judge newman acknowledging that he is presiding over the 90-some charges that he is still to answer. and he said, we are still going to pursue those, and this is maybe two life sentences for maggie and paul, but there are still some other victims out there who want to get their justice as well. so there are additional pleas

going forward that are dealing with alec murdaugh. so some of the people coming out, they are coming in from the area, and their fascination with the fall from power. i spoke with an attorney who represents ten of the alleged financial victims, and he said it is not a fall from grace or power, but it is a jump. just to see how quickly this has unraveled with alec murdaugh admitting on the stand with a decade of lying and stealing on the stand. it is important to note that he has been convicted and that he has never hurt maggie or paw-paw, and obviously, the jury is not convinced by the testimony. >> yeah. such important context, dianne. and we appreciate the excellent reporting over the days and

months as we bring you back in with the panel. sarah ford, we were waiting to see whether there would be any victim impact statements, and not a single one. was that surprising to you? >> i don't think that it is surprising. the victims have an opportunity to speak if they want, and they have the opportunity to choose not to. because there is a fine line, and there is no distinguishing between the victim's family, and the defendant's family. buster is the son of maggie, and the brother to paul and also the son of alec, and hearing him speak or certainly creighton water's office did an excellent job advocating for maggie and paul asking for the life sentence which the judge newman did sentence alec to.

but listening to judge newman, the words were chilling and poetic, and so thoughtful, and really poetic to hear. >> and briefly, sarah ford, could he have ordered a sentence greater than life in prison? could he have gone beyond? >> the state would have had to file a petition for that, and the second nature of that which the judge did impose. >> and dianne brought up the comments of the judge, and i almost stopped taking notes at one point when he said, i am sure that maggie and paul visit you at night, and he said all day, everyday and you must reflect on the way they look you

in the eye. and from what we heard from that juror and the prosecutor at all, and alec murdaugh, and when people would look him in the eye, and what they are seeing in the moments of the courtroom as they look him in the eye, and all of those words, joey, they paint such a powerful picture of this man in this moment. >> you know, they do. and it is an interesting point, because the prosecutor would say that when he would eye him down, he would see the cold-blooded killer that he is. and even the testimony would say that his partner would come in and say he was theatrical in the courtroom and knew how to put on a performance, and that was his way to say, don't believe what he is saying to you, because it serves his purpose, but now that

it does not, this is the cold-blooded killer. and the last point, erica, and pivoting to what the judge said about the lies. the defense filed what is called albino tis. what is that mean? the client is going to have a alibi defense, and then, oh, nevermind, there is evidence that says i was there. so that harkens back to, maybe you didn't kill him, but the person you have become killed him, and the judge did what he had to do which is to issue the two concurrent life sentences. >> and the time he denied being there and then admitted to being there, and sarah ford, that shows how ingrained the family

was in the community, and the fact that the grandfather had a picture there in the courthouse, and the judge knew him, and they saw them at events, and this is a family for a century deeply involved meeting outside of the law in the counties here. and in your experience, have you seen a case like this, where a lawyer who argued case likes this is now in the docket and now convicted and going to prison. >> i have never seen a case like this of someone who is so prominent, and alec was the president of the south carolina trial lawyers association. and so prominent and successful trial lawyer. and to see him trying cases in

the kolcolliten county courthou is a not a fall from grace, but a jump from grace. >> and he did reference when talking to the beginning of the sentencing, he said that you have no obligation to say anything other than not guilty and i would not expect a confession, but in terms of the appeal, how do you see that playing out? >> there is an appealable issue, and that is a large one whether the judge should allow the financial issues, and whether it

is so prejudicial, and that is a term that we lawyers use that even if the jury doesn't believe that you didn't murder anyone, that it affects your character so much that even though he was not on trial for the financial crimes, it was fertile for the judge to admit it. so there is grounds for the judge to admit it. because it went to motive, and the crimes were being exposed and the family was learning and it, and the progs cushion said we should be able to introduce this, because it was toward the motive. >> we have learned some court history here this morning. quite a decision. >> joey jackson with us this

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the justice department is rebutting former president trump's claims of presidential immunity as he is fighting civil lawsuits surrounding the january 6th suits. >> and so, the claim is that he is not able to claim immunity, because it is not a presidential visit and so he cannot claim immunity. >> that is pretty much what the doj is getting at. they have weighed in on the civil immunity and this is filed by house democratic lawmakers

and capital police. the last time they weighed in on this issue was 40 years ago, and at this time, they ruled that the represents enjoy absolute immunity from civil damages arising from their acts as president, but when it comes to their speech as president, it is murky. and the dustin -- and they are looking at this not as a sweeping change, but a narrow ruling on the issues presented here. this litigation is in the early stages. justice department is not coming out the say that former president trump should be liable. they are not getting into it, but they are saying that he has some sweeping immunity and that all of the lawsuits should be thrown out. >> paula reid, appreciate it. thank you. and also in to discuss this is the special counsel in

trump's first impeachment trial, and you did tweet last night that this is signaling a weakness for the likely defenses that we are looking for in the coming criminal case in georgia. is there something that is between the two that we can be looking at? what did you mean by that? >> i am not ready to reach the bottom line, but it seems to me that trump allegedly participating in an insurrection and attempted coup cannot be within his presidential duties. so if that is right, and i think that is where we are headed, and i appreciate the doj wanting to be as narrow possible, but it means that he won't have a legal

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today, two republican candidates are taking the stage at the cpac convention. nikki haley and conservative and activist vivek shahrami and both

are going to speak. >> nikki haley, one of the republican candidates is calling for mental competency tests for politicians over age 75. what did you think of that? >> ridiculous. >> would your husband take one of those? >> we would never discuss something like that. >> joining us now are cnn commit cal commentators and s.e. cupp, and good to have you both on this morn, and jill biden is not the only one to prejekt that, and also bernie sanders and mike pence. and now, if this happens, or it is rerespective and donald trump

at this point. >> this is silly. you can tell that someone in nikki haley's camp poll tested this and said that you will get an action and response to this. and in the first case, you have the first lady punching down to her. but this is a silly, selly messaging point, and you are running for the president of to united states, and this is the lone point that the people can associate with you. i think that the aim of the candidate should be discussed substantively, and the age of congress could be discussed substantively, and it is just a silly, silly point. >> z -- no, no.

>> well, i will shut-up, and i will let you talk, my friend. >> well, no. when you are looking at two geriatric guys about to run for president, this is what normal people talk about. are they too old? are they mentally competent? they look at donald trump sem seemingly rant and rave on the social media and wonder if he is all there, and i think that sometimes people wonder if he is at the peak or the prime as it were. it is completely normal, and to make a difference or the signature part of your campaign in the beginning that you are younger, i don't think it is dumb, but it needs to come with generational ideas. is it just your age that you are bringing or a new generational -- >> new idea. >> some approach or some policies or principles or

perspectives that are generationally new, and she has yet to delineate those. >> and we have had those going back to 1984 when it was an issue with ronald reagan's second term run against mondale. but we have seen, bakari sell lars, saying they are the new candidates with new ideas, and this is gary hart before it imploded, and not to mention jfk, and but i am assuming, that you need some meat on the bones. >> yes, i agree with the fitness to do the job, whether or not sit the dog catcher, but when you are making it a substantive

test, and not that, but we had another guy who had a name like mine, and big ears, and looked like me, and if there is a idea that you are 75, and you have to take a test. no, talk about how to get food on the tables, and get us out of the never-ending wars, and talk about that general change. the generational change and not competency tests. >> and s.e., cpac is set to happen right now, and so, it has changed a lot, and the conversation is, is this still

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the man accused of killing jewish officials in michigan is due in court. authorities say that jack car pen -- carpenter iii posted on facebook what is classified as extremism rhetoric. >> josh, from the look at at law

enforcement and what they are looking at those who are consistent in their telegraph, but it does not always happen. it is not just the tweet of law enforcement where they first walked in to the am mon, and he enlisted a number of jewish officials to target, and he said that the fbi does not keep a database of the fit cal affiliations of the politicians, so they went to the jewish leader to identify them, and that is so-called duty to warn. when i worked the counter terrorism pieces, and we came across information that was a potential threat to the list, the soccer coach just spoke out on gun safety, and have a listen of what it is like to be a

target. >> it is not lost on me this today, that a mentally tis b-- deranged man had pistols to kill me, because if he had known through his plan, he would have killed me, because i do not remember having this information out there. >> now, when they see this tweet, they locate and identify the suspect's mother, and then she gives them a phone number for the suspect, and we need you to pin the phone as sure is

indicating that he is in north kx, and he is expected back in court today. this is a spring of anti-semitic targets to kill jewish lawmakers in michigan. and now, a massive storm storm falling today. this is coming on the heels of that s storm in california. we w will have a look at that jt ahead.

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right now the california national guard is headed to san

bernardino mountains to help dig out from epic amounts of snowfall where you would not expect it. >> deaf fitly not. we are talking about some zen feet, more than seven feet below and we have this report. >> it is an epic snowfall. >> it is epic in so many places, because you step down, and then you sink down. you have to get on top of it to move around. >> derek is one of the many stranded. >> it is unfathomable. the only thing they can do is to wait for help. the concerns are food, heat, and

medicine, and food for the help to name a few. the san bernardino mountains get plenty of snow in the winter have been unprecedenteded with the national weather service issuing first blizzard warning. >> the first idea is to clear the roadways to essentially get the people who live up there back to their houses, and the people stuck up there back down. >> reporter: emergency crews carrying out roughly 100 rescue. >> governor gavin newsom is declaring a state of emergency for 12 counties, activating the national guard. residents say that lives are in dangerous. >> we are going to be getting and he has a doctor's point men,

and i'm going to try to get there. >> but not all are this rough. >> you sort of go into the survival mode and keep mesh physical presence. >> that is something. thank you for that report. thank you all for joining us today and this week. i'mer are i ka hill. >> i'm jim sciutto, and amara walker stars right now. this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. welcome, i'm amara walker in for kate bolduan, and we begin this hour with then