good evening good evening, everyone. welcome to cnn tonight. alec murdaugh will spend the rest of his life behind bars for the murders of his own wife and son. the judge who sentenced him today knew murdaugh professionally and personally before all of this and called him a monster. tonight some legal observers say that those three hours of jury deliberations were too fast for a six-week trial. we'll debate that. plus you what will the future be

like for the people of palestine ohio who are dealing with toxic chemicals. tonight a woman who grew up in the middle of a different environmental disaster has a message for the people of palestine. what she says she need to do -- they need to do starting now. and how would you like that travel the world for a year, all set in confidence, and see all of the historic sites like the taj mahal, machu pitch ooh, the great wall of china, for the bargt price of $30,000. but there is a catch, we'll tell you all about it and see if our panelists are game to try it. all right. we've got a lot to talk about tonight. our expert criminal attorney john tay mills and patrick whether or not is an expert on a different side, of course. natasha albert, and jersey shore lover john. okay, i want to start with you about the trial, it was very

interesting today to hear the judge talk about how long he has perly known alec murdaugh. i just want to play that for everybody because he talks about, you know, what his impression was then and then what it is now. >> you've practiced law before me. and we've seen each other at various occasions throughout the years, and it was especially heart-breaking for me to see you go in the media from being a grieving father, who lost a wife and his son, to being the person indicted and convicted of killing them. >> i thought if the judge knew someone that well, that he would have had to reaccused himself or

something. is this just the occupational hazard of being in a small town that judges and defendants often know each other? >> it's a combination of a small town, but also a big name. you have to remember that murdaugh family was a huge name in that community, helped a lot of people. this fact, they had to take his grandfather's picture off the wall at the chowts. that's how big they are. so for this judge to see him in this light at believing and beauty of their family and as he said, let there be a monster to kill your wife and child, and when it's somebody that you know that you believe is a good person and it turns out that they're not, that's heart-wrenching. >> absolutely. but there's no problem with the judge knowing a defendant that well? >> no. and you have to -- especially in those small towns you have to trust in the judges, in the attorneys that they'll be professional and will remove themselves -- their personal opinion from the situation and say i may know him, but i have to follow the law whether it benefits him or not.

>> we also hear often that trials are being moved to other places because they can't be judged fairly. why did this not happen here? like i didn't watch one minute this trial, to be honest. >> i like your full disclosure. >> the last trial i watched was a certain running back we all remember. >> that's truly the last trial you watched? that one got you off of trials forever? >> we focus on these specific things and sometimes forget about the larger things. but i'm curious why only so often here i can't be judged fairly here that in this case that have. >> well, i'll tell you why, because the defendants in this case knew or believed that he would get a benefit by being tried there, that those were his people. his family helped so many people in that community, they thought it would help him. >> from what i've heard today, daunte and allison, from the judge, number 1, and then from the lead prosecutor, his interview with anderson earlier tonight, just reaffirmed to me what i heard throughout the trial and what i was sensing just as a layman watching, not

as an expert, that this guy thought that he was gonna be able to get away with it because of what you talked about, box office the fact that he had so much influence and had so much history and of course, as we learned throughout this case, could manipulate people better than anyone. well, he adopt it when it came right down to it. and to -- he couldn't do it when it came right down to it. this time they didn't need to deliberate for days and days, and i don't think we needed to complain about that. >> 45 minutes, right? >> well, three hours. >> internally they said it was 45 minutes. >> maybe an hour. >> exactly. craig moyer came out and said within about 45 minutes they have consensus but of course they went through the process and distributing -- distributing and talking about all of the evidence and as you said it was murdaugh's own testimony that turned him off. there was a sense he was being disingenuous, they didn't see the emotion that they expected and also he was too smart for his own good.

having an instant defense when the police were on the scene and that being the body camera footage. that all back-fired. juries are about democracy, they is the front lines of democracy in america and those jurors saw what they saw and they reach the a consensus. >> what about the notion -- there's an op ed in the new york times today who says that three hours -- or 45 minutes is not long enough for all of the data that they had to go through. in other words -- well, let me ask you this. he says our devices now capture everything about what everyone is doing. but making sense of that data is not trivial. in the murdaugh case both sides pointed to the digital record but by the entered of the trial i felt like i had no idea what actually happened. the jury was hardly so cautious. his point was, we've all had the experience where our he cell phone tells us that we are driving when in fact we're a passenger or we're walking. and they hung a lot of their case on the cell phones -- the cell phone data that's suggesting may not be as

trustworthy as you think. >> well, i try and handle cases all over the country, and i know this for a fact. jurors are small people. they're the people in our community. that's why we have jurors in this country. we want people to come together to use common sense and tell us what's right or wrong. so although it was a six-week trial and they went through a lot of painstaking evidence, the jury could have latched on to one thing that made the difference for them and said, i don't care what anybody else says, i don't care what six weeks worth of testimony -- we're not going to go through all of that because we already used this fact to decide that he did it. and whether it was the kennel video where they heard his voice at the scene of the murder minutes before and said no matter what the other cell phone data says or means, this has convinced me. so the jury is smart enough to piece all of that out and say, we don't have to sit here for days and talk about things that don't make a difference. we've already made our mind up. >> the cell phone video was obviously crucial when he's talking about the testimony that was heard in the courtroom. and then as you heard from one of the jurors today in his

interview, the interviewer said, you saw him crying, he goes, no, no, he wasn't crying. those were not tears, how did you know this? he says i was this close to him. i could he see it, it was made up. so they they saw right through him. they knew that he was a conman. >> so the leaded prosecutor was on the anderson show tonight and talked about what he thought the jury was responding to. here's that moment. a lot of times as a juror you get the to look in people's eyes. they can obviously speak for themselves if they decide to speak. but i think that they saw him lying in action and saw how easily he could do it. and it's hard to get by the fact of lying about being at murder scene with the victims just minutes before they died. >> that one is hard to explain. he never really was able to explain that. >> yeah. and interesting you bring up the point about phones.

we -- i've said this before, we exchange, we give up so much when we accept technology into our lives. but it's just like any other piece of evidence, i think, right, it's all about how the prosecutors tell a story. at the ended of the dairkt it's about storytelling and persuasion. so you could interpret that phone data evidence any type of way. it might not be accurate. maybe something else really happened but if you tell the story and it's compelling, that's what jurors are gonna go with. >> and i think that ultimately daunte's point. there's one thing -- there may be a million things to talk about but there's one thing they glom on to. if you go back to the movie 12 angry men which is the greatest stories of all time it comes down to henry fonda saying did you notice she had notches on her eyes and that's what one by one turned all of the joorts. this is what happens in court cases all the time. >> but it's funny that alec thought coconvince them. he testified over his counsels'

objections because he thought he could convince them. he knew all of the tricks, he leaned in, he looked towards them, did he the fake cry and it didn't work. >> we would have done a lot better off saying yes and no to the answers. i thought prosecutor -- i the thought the prosecutor did an amazing job of going through what his other plausible scenario was about who it could have been and the fact that it was so implausible. so you're telling us this, well, it was obvious that the the jury believed what the prosecutor was saying, that this is just completely implausible, what could have happened. >> the prosecutor also said he let alec murdaugh talk and alec murdaugh talked too much. >> yeah, i was watching and and cringing on cross-examination you could tell your story and have the witness agree or disagree. but wee ask a question and say explain. and he would just let alec talk. and i'm saying that's not how

you do it. but it actually worked, and apparently that was his plan. he wanted him to talk himself off the cliff and in fact did he. >> allison, sometimes the toughest question you can ask somebody you're interviewing is, go on. and let them do it. >> journalists know that trick. let people talk and they'll tell you more than they actually intended to sometimes. >> yes. great point. i'm still surprised though that you don't watch the trials and vice-president for decades. i find it fascinating. >> that's great. >> there's always something to learn. >> they're so if id with suspense and you know the human struggle. like i can't believe you don't respond to any of that. they're like ready-made for tv. that's why i love having cameras in the courtroom because we get to watch democracy in action. >> i prefer having cameras in the courtroom than seeing the weird sketches that we all see where it doesn't look like tom brady when he's talking about the inflated football. so -- no.

>> you have to admit there's something about real life, these are real people, real deaths, real relationships, and when you look at someone and say this was his wife and his son, you don't want to believe that he did it. so that's part of why you're invested, like i want to be convinced because i don't want to think there's people out there who can just do this for no reason. >> but also the reality is this sadly happens in america every day and there are trials every day every week that we could pay attention to and we don't. why do we pay attention to this one? because it was a really wealthy guy in south carolina who was a big shot lawyer. that's why everybody paid attention to it. >> that's one reason. i do think that there's a fascination to that. but also killing your son, killing your family, that's unusual. >> it sadly happens in america a whole lot. >> i totally agree with you that in domestic violence cases, tragically women are being killed for sure, but a son and his wife? that's not every day. >> and there was no history of violence.

no friends that said he screamed all the time, nothing. >> that's a great point because there's no hint, then one day you're gonna kill your wife and son? that does make it really weird. but there was a back-story that was building for a while, and that's where i didn't really watch the trial in depth, but i watched the netflix documentary. it really was powerful because it paints the bigger picture, right. this build-up, this sense of injustice in a small town where you feel like you can't hold this powerful person accountable. you can't win. so this was kind of a day offed and goliath moment if you think about it where the people finally they would powerful person account nbl a state where, again, that wasn't always the case, justice. >> as a sports guy, i like to say sports is the ultimate reality tv, this was ultimate reality. you talk about real life, this is real life. >> friends, thank you very much, okay, we're gonna move on to this because crime of course is a a big problem. it's also a a hot-button issue t the ballot box. president biden is getting blow-back from his own party

because of a new crime bill and which side he's siding with. we'll explain next.

president biden doing an about-face this week signaling he will not detail a republican-led measure to undo a new d.c. crime lock.

>> democrats are ticked off because they want president biden to side with them. and he's going to not veto this republican bill so can you complain how this all happened? >> sure, where a democratic party will often never miss an opportunity to lose and. >> republicans feel the same way. thank god joe biden's team is being politically disciplined right now. poll after poll shows that the american people believe that the democrats and their republicans are equal extremists. this despite the fact that the vast majority of the republican party in congress literally supports burning our constitution and our democracy to the ground.

this issue of public safety is as politically potent as any other issue. and if we are not on the side of the majority on this issue, then it doesn't matter what else you believe. it doesn't matter what other plans you may have from protecting a woman's right its, make her own healthcare decisions to addressing skyrocketing economic inequality and all the like because democrats will not be in office. so this is the right decision. >> so let's explain how we got here. this is what was in the d.c. crime law. this was passed by the d.c. city council and vetoed by the d.c. mayor who's a democrat. and it was in the house and a couple of democrats -- >> 31 democrats in the house. it would be a elimination of mandatory sentences for many crimes, reduction of sentences for crimes such as robbery and carjacking and expand the requirement for jury trials in most misdemeanor cases. so natasha, here's where i think people get caught up.

reduction of sentences for crimes such as car and carjacking. >> this penal code has not been revised since 1901. if you ask people on a local level who are really in the details they're just saying this is about proportionatey and catching up with what the national standard is. if nothing, that carjacking isn't a problem, it's actually new d.c. right now. but they're trying to make it match. if you were to ask the average person crime is a problem. it is a big problem. people feel unsafe going to work, they feel unsafe going home, viral videos of this terrible crime. so it's a moment of a local issue colliding with national

politics and as you were saying that, president biden is thinking big picture about it even though this might be reasonable on a local level and unfortunately it just -- people are gonna be upset. >> it's an unbelievable circumstance. we talk about the 31 house democrats, i promise you if the democratic caucus had known that president biden was going going to support this, that would have been well over -- and they are pissed right now that they weren't aware of that, and now they're softer on crime than their democratic counterparts. >> shouldn't he have told them what his intentions were? >> i'm not even sure they knew. >> meaning the white house. you have the bernie and warren wing and then the folks that are more centered and shockingly enough as the election comes closer and closer, the centrists are gaining more ground so i have no doubt there are weeks and weeks of deliberations and debates here and unfortunately for those democrats who the vote against the president biden,

they got on the wrong side. >> the minute usualia of the bill -- look, you know i do my homework when i come on here but there are certain things that are outside my reach, what i do know is that president biden reads the politic can win as good as any politician we've ever seen. that's why even though he's 80 years old, he's still very powerful and has a lot of influence. even if these democrats are ticked off about this decision, you think they're gonna leave him when it gets down to crunch time? no, they're not. so he's playing the card, which natasha talked about. crime is a huge issue. it's a very serious issue. no one is going to say i'm against, you know, having tougher crime laws. he's reading the political wins and doing exactly what -- he's got the power now after what's happened in the last month or so at the state of the union and says you know what, i'm going to flex my muscles. >> a lot of things can be true at the same time. let me take you back to september 2021. 8:45 p.m. i'm walking to whole foods to go to the grocery store. >> in washington d.c. >> and two guys jump me and they

run into a running car waiting for them. cops come, cops were great. they told me we think the same people did this 10 minutes earlier and then they order is of shrug their shoulders, we'll never filed them. >> that's what the police said to you? >> never gonna find them, never gonna solve this, it happened 10 minutes earlier a half a mile away. this happens every day in washington d.c. this is where multiple things can be true at the same time. what we also know is so many people are leaving washington d.c. because they didn't get carjacked, but their neighbor or the person across the street. i know four people in the last two years who have left d.c. because of carjackings. and so what the district of columbia does is they advertise, which is what this legislation does, we don't take crime seriously, and they tell you that they do, but they don't. >> let me interrupt you, i'm curious with what natasha said. lowering the sentence forget carjack from 40 years for 24 tells people we don't take it seriously. do you think criminals are

listening with that close -- >> sure they are. go into the the washington metro and you see a sign that talks about people jumping over the turnstiles, which is not enforced, by the way, and shows you what the penalties are in d.c., in virginia and in maryland. in maryland, it's $100. in virginia it's $100. in d.c., it's $50. they're advertising we don't take it seriously. and so this is what joe biden, he reacted late, he screwed his party over to be really blunt about it, he openly -- ultimately made the right decision. yes, there are questions of state -- you know, home rule and all of that, but -- weren't addressed properly but he's reacting to how people are reacting to crime and it's a personal issue. it's a personal issue. >> you know, sexual assaults for example the maximum time that you could be indicted for sexual increased, went from 5 years to 15 years. so ghent devil is in the details but at a timgeon the same page r

what is reasonable. 40 years for carjacking, it seems people are saying we want common sense bipartisan support. and there was a time when donald trump was right there -- >> we have gotten away from that. >> we need to support the equal act. we can be tough on crime and do criminal justice reform, things like the equal act and first step act at the same time. trump was great on this. and as a republican i don't think trump was great at a lot of things very often, right. but he was good as criminal justice. >> and. it has nothing to do with policy. there's no carjacker in the world who says i was gonna do it but then i realized it was 20 years, not 24. coming in from prince georges county, stealing cars and doing this place by place in the district -- >> it happens every day. >> that is not because.

this is about plain and simple, if this is about politics. from a political advantage point, the president does the right thing. again, i do applaud the political discipline. that is what really matters. >> and do you know anybody that got attacked at a gas station in california while pumping gas? >> you do now. because that was me. >> cold attack from behind. i was punched in the face in a

california gas station. next thing i knew i'm on the ground bleeding profusely. cops came, said what happened, did you have an argument while you were -- no. i was just literally pumping gas. >> did they get your wallet or something? >> no, nothing. >> and the cop said oh we're never gonna oh oh. >> the copt said oh, there's some drug issues going around in the palm springs area. there's some gang issues going around. interestingly, a car pulled up a couple minutes as i was dusting myself off and, you know, they came out, called the cops, hey, we think the guy went back into the mall. do you want to come in and get him? i said, i don't think so. and here's part -- it was a setup. you are talking about a professional athlete. i'm not a small guy. i'm still jumpyy walking the sidewalks. so if you're my friend julie

who's 5 foot tall left washington d.c. because she's scared, that makes a lot of sense and that's happening all over the country right now. and again the choight mayor election shows why biden made that decision. >> biden has never been attacked but i'm -- i've never been attacked but i'm pretty intimidating. >> okay. thank you all for that. and sharing those stories. meanwhile, another one in east palestine ohio 70% of people who took a health survey have now reported having headaches and other symptoms, after that toxic train derailment last month. how long will it takake to knowf these are lasting health consequences? someone who grew up in the middle of another environmental disaster is going to join us with what her life was like, next.

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been one month since that toxic train derailment in east palestine ohio. in a new op ed for the new york times one writer reflects on her experience growing up in the middle of another environmental disaster and offer as warning to

east palestine residents about what they need to do now. that writer, vanessa ogle, joins ow panel. thanks so much for being here. i read your story with incredible interests. you grew up in a small town in central michigan in close proximity to a chemical plant where starting in 1973 toxic chemicals like the flame retardant ppb got mixed up accidentally with the livestock seed. >> yes. >> and attend thatted up coloring and affecting your life in your town for decades. so what was it like growing up there? it was something that has shaped a lot of my life. i nah a lot of people who suffered from mysterious health problems, cancer, skin issues, things that make me really concerned for the people in ohio. >> because it went on -- i mean, it wasn't just an event that happened one day and within month and then it was over. it went on for decades, and furthermore, then there was another leak from that chemical

plant of ddt, which we all know is horribly poisonous. so to this day what's happening in your town? >> so to this day there is an order to not consume any of the fish, you cannot -- or should not swim in a river that is really very beautiful and the residents are not able to enjoy it like they should be able to. >> i was reading -- you said that growing up dead birds would just drop from the sky. >> yes. so the birds were contam the nateed because they were eating the worms that were in the soil that was contam the nateed. so you see how one thing impacts the entire ecosystem. >> that has to cast -- were you walking around, was it a carefree adolescents or was it ever-present? >> i think it definitely is a backdrop of how you view the world, why you understand you can't swim in a river that, you know, other towns you the might

be able to do that. i think you see people drinking more bottled water just out of precautions and so i think it's something that definitely impacted my childhood. >> so what do you say to the people of east palestine to that? >> i think they have to continue to advocate for themselves. as you said, this is something that impacted my community for decades, and it still is impacting people to this day. i think people should make note of their symptoms, they should document everything. they should -- if they're willing to participate in studies, michigan has done a lot of studies looking at the pbp. 74% still report headaches, 54% say they have anxiety.

61% report coughing. 58% report fatigue and tiredness and 52% irritation and pain and burning of the skin. what does that look like what should they be doing? >> i think documentation, that's very important, you don't know what type of lawsuits will happen in the future, you want to make sure you're prepared. and i think just making sure that you're staying engaged with your fellow community members that you have a power in numbers, that you're banding together and really focusing on making as bipartisan as possible. so that everyone can, you know, receive the indicater and help that they deserve. the train derailments issued on planes and chemicals in the air. i always think about it in a

situation like this, here when politicians are ranting and raving about get the gosh out of our lives. you know, we don't want the government messing with what we're doing and then i'm thinking to myself, now, wait a second, who are we counting on to deal with these issues? every single day of our lives, we get on the subject-way or get on the train or lucky enough to get on a plane, it's government entities, right, that are supposed to look out for us. so when i hear constantly saying, government, get out of our lives, i think wait a second, that's who like keeps us all safe. >> well, ideally. >> should government be doing more right now in east palestine? >> oh my god. absolutely, this is a rolling justification, as you said, for the role of government from the regulations that should have been in place beforehand to the air screening, the water screening and so on and so forth, all of the health screenings that you mentioned earlier, i find it fascinating to your point how jd vance, the

ultra, mag impacter isolationist republican is the first one out of the chute joining with sheriff brown saying we need more regulations now that's impacted my constituents, but to also bringing us back to politics and everything comes back to politics in the end, the fact that donald trump has been to this site, but president biden has not, i cannot for the life of me understand this. >> what do you think that is in serious. >> i think that democrats, a weakness of my party, at times we get a little too wonky. this is a crisis area, this -- >> they overthink it. >> i don't want to get in the way of this person and that person, this and that, secretary buttigieg did the same thing when in reality this is the moment for real leadership, moral leadership, and there are political implications to that, as well, and if i were advising him or -- he should be there immediately. >> and, you know, it's

fascinating on this because we think of joe biden as the real president and. >> he rides the train every day. >> that should be freight rail as well. we don't think about freight rail every day of our lives, and most americans, if you don't live on the eastern seaboard, don't think about passenger rail either. but this should be an opportunity for biden, also for michael reagan at epa and secretary buttigieg. but they've been too late on this, and there's already an example of how this has gotten wrong, and it was george w. bush flying over hurricane katrina. politics is about people. it's always about people. this is the crime discussion we're having. so when a train derailment happens and toxic chemicals are spilled and those things are not just gonna contaminate water, they're gonna contaminate lives for decades. anybody who watches cable news sees ad nauseam commercials for camp lejeune and the ground water contamination. i worked on that issue, and it took a long i am to figure out who got what and who was able

to, you know, be able to determine where it came from. these things happen too often, politicians, republicans and democrats, should be overly aggressive. >> do you have a theory on why president biden hasn't gone. >> to me, it's not about biden, it's about the administration, that michael reagan and secretary pete -- we call him secretary pete because he rides his scooters and we like him and all that but they weren't on the ground saying this administration cares about you and listening and looking. they're the first line of defense. when there's a hurricane, the president doesn't need to be there, fema needs to be there. but ultimately, that lack of access and action from the administration then puts it on biden. so when biden gets there, it's gonna be too late, and that's light slightly unfair, i think the republicans attacks of ukraine are not fair but what happens is -- that happens when

the politicians aren't on the ground. >> like we discussed earlier, sometimes you have to go with your gut and this time they should have gone with their gut. >> vanessa, thank you so much for being here and sharing your story. >> thank you. . okay. now to something lighter. imagine being on a cruise ship visiting 135 countries. seeing all seven continents, all of your meals are included, even the booze, and the monthly price is cheaper than your rent. doesn't that sound great? there's only one thing, you have to sign up for three years. would you do it? we'll discuss next.

do you like to go on cruise. >> we've got a great one for you. you'll visit 135 countries, all seven continents.

you'll see machu peach ooh and the -- machu piccu and the great wall of china. but there's a catch, you have to commit now for three years. i'm back with my panel. part of it sounds great to me, because it's $2500 a month, which is lower than a lot of mortgages. and all of your food is included, obviously all of your lodging, you're on the cruise ship, going to 7 continents. some booze is thrown in, by the wait. >> what do you mean some? >> now i have your attention. but you have to go for three years. that's a big commitment. okay, max, are you in? >> that's tremendous. >> you like it. so you're in. >> this sounds unbelievable. >> maybe three weeks, but... >> it's no, look. i can't even take this seriously. i mean, i'm imagining -- you know, i come from a family, you know, a loud jewish new york fighting family, can you have a family fight on one of these

cruise? how does this work? this is the funniest, weirdest thing i have ever heard in my life, but i'm fascinated by it. i'm not ruling it out. >> i think we've come a long way because when covid first started hitting it was like, oh my god, you're stuck on a cruise and couldn't get back to shore. the last place you'd ever want to be is on a ship, and now it's like, oh, let's just go take a cruise for three years. like i said, maybe three weeks, but three years? >> also it's fascinating that you're on with 1074 other people. you better really like those other thousand people because it's like a traveling commune. they're your neighbors. >> or petri dish. >> for three years. >> i see it as a spin-off of white lotus. >> you took the words out of my mouth. >> it sounds so promising but it actually could be a nightmare. >> could i see it as being like a little bit younger, single, ready to mingle, by the time you get out of the three years you might have a fiancé or two.

i don't know. it sounds like something that is for the under the anchored person. and that's not me. >> unanchored. that's good. >> so i'm thinking of two different tv shows, one, quincy who lived on a houseboat while solving crimes and loving ladies, and obviously the love boat. and ultimately it comes down to a third tv show, there's a three hour tour, no chance. >> i thought you were gonna end up on gilligan's island. >> that was your 3 hour tour. >> even when jack hudson is solving those crimes, no chance. >> you're a hard no. >> a hard no. >> nice price. nice price. >> that's food and everything. >> you will you can eat? >> by the way, okay, how many supreme been on a cruise? >> i've been on one. >> a couple. >> for reasons of a for mentioned. >> you can eat your face off on a cruise. >> and i know they've got these pseudo gyms, depending how big it is. but how many times can you walk around that floor of the cruise

ship? i felt like -- i saw like a brawl on a cruise recently. i don't know. part of me -- at three years, that's not realistic the right now. but i don't know, as a retiree, going to all of these fabulous places, i could bring you guys. >> yeah, we could all go. >> we could just talk about this every night. >> that sounds fantastic and slightly for truss. so -- torture us. and meanwhile, our colleague and cnn anchor casey hub welcomed her new daughter to the world but gray and gray didid not make ito ththe hospital for this deliver. she was deliverered at home on e bathroom floor. we'll tell you what happened, next. >> oh my gosh.

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all of us here at cnn sending our love and congratulations to our colleague kasie hunt who just delivered her second daughter, gray. her arrival did not go as planned. kasi was at home in washington on wednesday morning when she went into a sudden labor and a quick 13 minutes later, she gave birth to gray on the bathroom floor. you can see her there still. fortunately, her husband matt was home to help. kasi later posted photos on twitter joking that gray welcomed herself into the world and thanking d.c. fire, ems and 911 operators for guiding them through the delivery and getting

them quickly and safely to a hospital. the baby was supposed to be born during a scheduled c section the next day but clearly, gray wanted a different birthdaday. she weighed in at 8 pounds 4 ounces. >> tennessee republican governor signining two contntroversial bills that targ lgbtq rights and being called out for hypocrisy on multiple levels. that's next. help! oh! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ (torstein vo) when you really philosophize about it, there's only one thing you don't have enough of. time is the only truly srce commodity. when you come to that re, i ink it's very important that you spend your time wisely. and what better way of spending time than traveling, continuing to educate ourselves and broaden our minds?

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