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the country, specifically, gender roles. today in tennessee the republican governor billy see signed two controversial new laws. one bans gender affirming care for minors and the other restricts drag shows in the state. let's bring in former democratic congressman ron derrick jones and patrick is here and doug high. guys, let's start with the decision to ban any sort of doctors medical care for anyone under 18 who is looking -- who believes they are trans and is looking for any sort of medical treatment be it pharmaceutical, consultation or anything like that. doug, i believe you are comfortable with this new law in tennessee. >> yeah, i think one we have to treat people with dignity and respect and certainly what we've learned over not just the past three or four years but 20
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years, people that feel this way, are this way and have gone through this process quite often go through a very painful life and process. we don't want that. but there are differences between people who are adults and people who are children. the decisions that are being made when you're talking about children, some of these are not just life changing but body changing things that you can't then say four years or ten years down the line that you want to redo. and for that reason, i think we need to be mindful that these are -- these are children. >> i mean, 17-year-olds. you're categorizing a 17-year-old as a child who doesn't yet know what they want, basically. >> sure in the same way that we have a lot of laws that affect 18 and under or 21 and younger. there's a lot that you can't do when you're 17. you can drive a car in some states, i think not all of them yet. but there's a lot more you can't do and when you get to 21, you still have to get to 21 for that. i think we need to proteblg them
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f from those decisions and what adults do is a different thing and we need to treat them with respect and dignity. >> i don't think this is about protecting children. i think this is about politics, right. if you watch cpac, it's trans, trans, trans. this is their satanic panic. i think these are bills about politics and not about peeople, right? if you're worried, mandate therapy. you don't have to ban treatment. these are all dog whistles. these are like banning gay marriage. this is where they figured out this is something the base likes -- >> do you, molly, think there are teenagers that would make rash decisions if left to their own devices? >> absolutely. first of all, it's a small part of the population. you don't need to make it illegal. you want to mandate therapy. you want to protect people. this is not about that. this is about politics.
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>> this is not a topic that needs to be put under the rug, right, and not have the ability of kids and their families to discuss this and get treatment and think about, of course, it's a life changing decision. i can't imagine that anyone would think about doing this that hadn't spent a lot of hours and time talking to their loved ones. is this the right thing for me to do? and to not have it available for people to discuss it whether you're 13, 17 or 21, excuse me, seems absurd. >> i'm having trouble thinking of laws that would over rule the recommendation of a physician in this context, right? so this law is at odds with what physicians recommend. in fact, what medical associations have advised, which is that in consultation with of course your parent or guardian and a medical provider, you can get to a place where this procedure is appropriate to be performed under the age of 18 or
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17 -- >> a procedure. some of them are, you know, taking drugs -- >> absolutely. >> here is what is interesting. governor billy had very, very strong feelings about a year ago, year and a half ago about how government should not be able to mandate what kids do with their health, only the parents should be able to decide things like masks, vaccines. so here he is then. >> have the choice to choose and make decisions about their c children's health and well being. give the parents the right to make the personal health decision for their kid. >> individual health decisions by a parent involving health issues and well being of a child is most important. a parent knows best about their own individual child and what's best for them. parents are the best decider
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of -- actually, they're the only appropriate decider of the health decisions for children and we need to do nothing in government to go around that parental decision. >> what happened to that, doug? >> politicians are sometimes inconsistent. what a shocker. >> he was stunningly consistent for all of those various dates. >> i think to molly's point, there are, of course, politics involved in this. there are politics in everything that, you know, every health care bill that's put forth, whether by republican or democrat. what i hear so often from democrats privately is concerns about how this movement is moving forward and that they feel that they can't say anything publicly. i'm thinking of a friend of mine watching me right now who's a democrat who i traded notes with who says our party is moving too far on this and we don't know the ramifications. >> i hear you. we can say anything publicly
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tonight basically so do we believe parents should decide kids' health or not. >> sure. >> so why then why can't they? >> of course they should. >> well they know you're making a law that says -- >> we have a lot of laws on what 18-year-olds and 21-year-olds are under can do. they can't buy cigarettes. they can't buy beer. they can't do a lot of things, the decisions they may want to make for themselves and when you then start talking about using certain hormone blockers or surgeries with their parents' consent, you can't go back from the age of 16 and then at the age of 22 or 32, then once you -- >> i always hear this argument -- >> doug -- >> i always hear this argument if you do it, then you'll change your mind. i never heard a chancetrans pery they want to change their mind. 13 is different. >> the laws that say you can't smoke until you're a certain age or can't drink until a certain
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age is meant to protect the individual. >> what about the health of the teenagers -- >> physicians and psychologists are saying it's harmful to children who are experiencing for example gender disforya among other things to not be able to treat them appropriately and that is the fund mental difference between the laws you just described and the law that for political purposes, the governor of tennessee has just signed. >> people make their own decisions about how they want to live their lives -- >> not -- >> adolescents and teenagers. >> if it doesn't affect other people in a negative way. >> i wonder what happens to the republican party smaller government, right? i was hearing that governor say we're not going to tell you to vaccinate your kids but we are going to tell you you can't -- you know, you can't get them therapy -- you know, this -- >> yeah, no, it is -- i mean, it's the inconsistency is laid bare right there. let's also talk about the bill he signed about drag shows. as you know, not only are -- is
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trans a hot button word but drag shows are and so now he has signed -- i think i have the language here. it's an offense, it's illegal for a person that engages in adult cabaret performances as a feature of the performance is a male or female impersonator that provides entertainment viewed by a person who is not an adult. >> okay. it not just -- it's again just interesting to see that the governor himself dressed as a woman in his high school photo. here he is. dressed as a woman because lots of people -- >> because it's fun. >> because it's fun and funny and lots of people dress as a different gender to perform -- >> and by the way, being a drag queen is a serious art form and they've been doing it for thousands of years. it's entertaining. people like to express themselves. it fun to watch it. and you might actually learn something about the world and
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other people. >> given what they say about what drag can do to a person, turn them into a person, i just think it's comical, as a member of the lgbtq community, i've never dressed in drag. i hear going back to high school or a few years ago in the case of one state legislature and it's drag, drag, drag until it becomes politically. >> expedient. >> expedient, even better to do this and gin up -- >> it is curious the phenomenon of all these men -- >> i don't want to speak culate. drag is fun. it's funny. it fun. people just have fun. whatever happened to having fun? >> basically what they're saying is that they -- sure, go and have your fun but don't involve kids. >> have you watched any of the latest tiktok videos and things you hear on pop music and see what the pop stars do? my teenage daughters do this and i'm listening to the lyrics. >> that's more risky.
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>> more risque. if they can handle that and freedom of speech for artists to do that, this is another form of freedom of speech. this is going -- they use the word sexualize kids at a young age. give me a break. >> this is old school, you know, satanic panic. the music is going to make the kids bad. the drag queens are going to make the kids -- this is the thing. the republican party knows their base likes to be afraid. and so they do crime. they do, you know, you could be turned gay by going to a drag show. it's -- i mean, i just think this is the same kind of thing they've been doing for the last, since nixon, probably since before nixon. this is politics. >> your thoughts on drag shows. >> first, satanic panic is a h hell of a mandate. was that the ozzie osborne term --
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>> yes. >> i like shakes spear. so when i've seen "12th night". >> gentyes. >> there is always at the end the male judges that ruled against us are actually our wives, right? if you go back 400 years, they were men playing women who were playing men who were playing women. it gets very confusing. gender bending you might say. >> given that, why do you think republicans have a bee in their bonnet about drag shows? >> i think it goes back to children, you know, which is part of the previous conversation that we had. i have a niece and nephew that grew up in england with the pan tum mine shows. i didn't go to one. i'm glad i didn't -- >> why are you glad you didn't? >> it's not my thing but if that's what you like, go do it. is that appropriate for a third grade mat ch class or english class? maybe not. if that's what adults want to do, go for it. >> i have lots of kids.
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none of my kids ever had drag shows brought to them at their schools. maybe there is a world with a lot of drag goes on for little kids but i haven't seen it. [ laughter ] >> satanic panic. >> great band name. >> all right. friends, thank you very much. we have this sad news now to report. this is just into our newsroom, actor tom sizemore died at the age of 61. his representative says he died peacefully in his sleep after he suffered a brain aneurysm that occurred as a result of a stroke he had on february 18th. since then sizemore has been in critical condition and in a coma in insensitive care. tom sizemore was best knowown f roles in movies like "saving private ryan" and "black hawk down" and we'll be right back. (woman) sure do. (vo) built to help you protect the environment as you explore it. love. it's what makes subaru, subaru.
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turning people gay is once the theory by ron perry just appointed at the disney oversight board. here he is. >> why are there homosexuals today? there are any number of reasons. you know, that are given. some would say the increase in estrogen in our societies. there is estrogen in the water from the -- from birth control pills. they can't get it out. >> let's bring back our panel. i'm not sure -- >> i don't know whether to laugh or cry. >> i'm not sure what science journals he's reading. i mean, i think there is true there is more estrogen in our products that is true. that's a concern for sure. i'm not sure there are more homosexuals today than there have been for the past hundreds and thousands of years but he's convinced of it and he's going to be on the disney oversight board. he's not only concerned about
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our health. he's also saying, well, i'll read you this one. he's called lgbtq people doeviat and says they don't have a stake in the future because they don't have children and the k file didn't dig this up from 1975 or 1965. this is two months ago and this is also what he said two months ago about homosexuals. >> there are a lot of unhealthy effects of a homosexual life lifestyle. there are diseases but it goes beyond that. >> okay. sorry, that was actually last year. that was a year ago. okay. where do we begin, doug? >> well, we all got the same sort of puzzled look on our face. i think you highlighted it wasn't 30 years ago. this isn't after rock hudson revealed he had aids. so it's not just bizarre talk. it's carnival talk at this point
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and every person i know that's gay, they go to the gym constantly and post pictures like i got to stop eating so much including the congressman. this is so again, not bizarre but carnival. >> if i had known the way not to become gay growing up was to not drink tap water and pivot to the spring would have saved me hear heartache. it clearly not that simple. do you think he's going to get away in the general election with stuff like this? people keep saying that because he's not donald trump -- >> you're talking about governor desantis. >> desantis. he'll be so formidable in the election. i want to thank more of the american people whether this or manipulating or banning out right hundreds of books describing black history or, you know, his obsession with beating
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up companies that speak out against some of his more controversial policies. i mean, this is not stuff that even donald trump was doing. donald trump never leaned into lgbtq issues nearly as much as ron desantis and i think it's because he knew that like, the culture war, that culture war had been lost already, frankly. >> yeah, i don't even know where governor desantis can find someone like ron -- >> florida. >> like ron perry. it not easy to find somebody who -- >> it is. just go to cpac. >> cpac. >> go to the star wars convention and you'll find these people. the good news for ron desantis. he's a bus and he'll back that bus over the guy and drive it across again and back it up again. like, we will not have to worry about this guy in a year or so. >> there is obviously, crazy people out there, right? this is evidence of that that say absurd and ridiculous things. the idea that a person who is as
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you said, the governor in florida and seriously considering running for president, in fact, most people assume it's a lock that he would actually think it's okay to put this guy on an oversight -- that to me is what is so insane about this and so down right scary that that would actually be okay to do that. >> florida is where science goes to die at this point. >> i thought that's where woke goes to die. >> i think it -- >> it may be synonymous. >> it's where facts and logic go to die. remember, this is a state that brought you don't say gay. this is a state that bans books. the stuff they're doing in there is stuff we haven't done in this country in 50 years. >> also, we haven't used a name tonight in a good way, we haven't used a name tonight and i apologize george santos should be a reminder vetting doesn't always happen and i would bet that's part of the problem here. >> do you think governor
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desantis is surprised that ron perry -- >> i don't think he knew about those statements, no. wouldn't rise to that level of the governor. >> do you think he'll get fired now that this information is coming out? >> no but there will be a bus and drive across him back and forth. let's move on to what happened in dallas. this reporter from the "dallas morning news" has been fired after tweeting to the mayor and calling him brah in the tweet. basically, he said that local news has no interest in reporting good news and she responded in a tweet where she said bruh, national news is always going to chase the trend, cultivate relationships with quality local news partnerships." . the mayor tweeted back bruh, have we met? [ laughter ] >> good response. >> and then she lost her job as a result of that and she explained herself by saying i'm a millennial, that's a term i use all the time. that's their dude, do you know what you're saying.
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>> explain it to us. >> i'm a millennial and i think millennials and genz have a real problem in terms of practicing professionalism. you know, as a -- when i was a member of congress, it was noticeable who called me congressman and who called me by my first name. when journalists called me buy my first name or certain members of the public called me by my first name, it was jarring, right? it was jarring to other people including my staff that heard it happen. there are certain aspects of decor yum that people in certain professions like this woman who is a journalist if not an anchor of a television show -- >> a reporter. >> a reporter. i don't think it's crazy she was fired for behaving that way on twitter. >> if she just left out the bruh, it would have been a perfectly fine comment and
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tweet. >> that's right. >> about national local politics -- >> but the bruh is too far. >> it's unprofessional. like you said, the decor yum is not there and show as lack of respect most importantly. >> i don't know. i mean -- [ laughter ] >> you're okay, bruh? >> i'm of the opinion side, when you're on the opinion side it's a little different. she's a straight reporter, you don't really want a straight reporter to have an opinion. >> would you call in new york mayor adams bruh? >> i mean, i'm not a huge mayor adams person so -- but no, i probably would not call him bruh but, you know, i mean, i don't know. should she lose her job for that? she could have deleted and apologized. >> i think she did delete it. she did delete it. i don't know. do you think she should have lost her job? >> everything, the congressman said is 100% right. and it also can be true that this is a crazy over reaction that she got fired for using the
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term bruh. >> i only have 15 seconds left. should we still call you congressman? >> yes. >> i don't care. >> seriously. [ laughter ] >> you can absolutely call me my name. >> that's the answer. i'll call you congressman. >> now i'll call you congressman. >> what are you going to call me? >> we'll debate it. >> are you kidding? [ laughter ] >> you want a grand slam. ignore my panelists, have you been paying attention to everything that's happened? we'll quiz the panel on what they know but before that cnn's presentation of hbo's "over time" with bill maher right after this.
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now i want to turn it over to our friends at hbo. each fried following "realtime" with bill maher, bill and his guests answer viewer questions and bring perspectives to the topics driving the national conversation. we're excited to bring you this lively discussion first every friday night so here is "over time" with bill maher. [ applause ] okay. we're on cnn now. i don't know how that happened, but we're back with our panel from vermont, bernie sanders, the senator. host of show time's "the circus" john and russell brand are back with us. [ cheers ] >> okay. so here are the questions. people wrote in, i guess this is for you because it mentions the brit awards. what does the panel think of the discussion around the oscars
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getting rid of gender specific categories like best actor and best actress and how did it work out at the brit awards? >> as a person that never won an award, i feel confident in saying they are pointless, a distraction a time we need to come together around real prinpr principles and values unless someone wants to give me an award i'll make it well principle so i can bloody well get it. >> am i wrong that at the brit awards which is for music? >> i hosted that before but i'll tell you, bill, i was able to let go of the experience and never thought about it since. [ laughter ] i feel it might be fundamentally meaningless. >> okay. >> i can't find meaning in it. i've looked. there's none. >> it used to be best male, best female and they just cut out the categories and it was one, like, the only people who won it was four men and harry styles. [ laughter ] >> yeah. i think -- [ laughter ] >> all -- no women won.
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>> they should just give awards to harry styles and that can be an industry -- >> okay. >> we'll watch the world incinerate and harry styles dances beautifully. >> what is the likely hood congress will abolish daylight savings time. >> calling it the permanent daylight savings time. i don't understand what that could mean. >> do you care about that? >> no. >> seriously? come on. i get -- >> i have -- i have been criticized for having a very narrow focus. [ laughter ] i accept that kcriticism. daylight savings time is not one of the issues i've been studying. >> okay. you know what? i bet this is the stuff that actually affects -- >> it does. >> and it's stupid. i don't get it. i don't know -- i guess we did it 100 years ago because farmers -- >> agriculture. >> okay. well, how many people in america
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are farmers? 1% of the population. we need the farmers. i love food. [ laughter ] i'm not crazy about the way they do their farming, torturing animals and by the way, just to connect it once more to covid, we are never going to be done with diseases like covid while we are still torturing animals. it all comes from animals. it comes -- [ applause ] we have to worry about bird flu. bird flu whic. it's birds and pigs. >> we're back in the web market. that's the reality. there is bad stuff that goes on in those places. >> that could be where it came from. it always jumps from animals to people and it wouldn't if we didn't pin up the animals and torture them before we eat them. >> it seems like -- [ applause ] >> let me be non-funny -- to your point about sickness and the possibility of future pandemics. absolutely speaks to the need for international cooperation.
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[ applause ] because the pandemic is not going to be an american issue. it's not going to be a chinese is issue. we need to bring the world together to deal with climate and pandemics. >> okay. should law enforcement be policing tiktok to crack down on illegal trends like the viral challenge to steal kias and hyundais? oh, yeah, do you know about this? there is tiktok videos that show how you can adjust a screwdriver and an iphone charger, you can hot wire a kia and hyundai so they're being stolen left and right. what do you think about tiktok? that's another thing before congress. somebody has a bill to ban tiktok certainly for people under 16. >> i think the concern is tiktok is a chinese owned company and you're seeing states and u.s. government not wanting to use it for fear that some secretive information could fall into
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chinese hands. >> and rotting the minds of young -- >> that's another story. that's beyond tiktok, isn't it? >> tiktok is not helping. >> the rotting of the minds of the american youth is a problem that existed long before tiktok. one of the great things of being young. >> made it much worse. kids at lease used to read. kids do not see a book. they scroll. scrolling doesn't make you smart. >> not to become overly serious, it's now perceived that the pandemic has made the mental health crisis that we previously had even worse and there is a lot of discussion about the impact of social media and the isolation -- >> absolutely. >> contact it develops on our health. >> all right. rustle, what are your thoughts on the ufos intercepted and shot down by the u.s. military last month? i don't know if they're referring to the chinese balloons. they were not ufos because we know what they were. they were chinese balloons. there were other things, some
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things that we didn't get and we don't know what they are and things that we haven't found out what they were after we did shoot them down. >> i wonder whether or not the $14 billion, 55% of which ended up in the hands of the military industrial complex which surely american people are becoming weary of need occasionally to be boosted with fanciful ideas of extra terrestrial invasion. maybe there needs to be a continual reminder that the skies themselves could become a threat unless lockheed martin b.a. systems continue to profit, elsewhere a balloon nothing but hot air nothing inside it shot down by a $400,000 missile might becoming for your family. [ applause ] >> but again, i mean, we were just saying here, we all should be skeptical and have open minds on everything. it is possible that there are --
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there is life on other planets that are visiting us or scouting us. >> bill -- >> even the u.s. -- [ laughter ] >> i'm just saying it's possible. >> sure, it is quite possible but if you think that something from another universe came all the way here and was kind of dragging around and shot down very easily -- [ laughter ] -- i think if it's a ufo they would have done better in avoiding -- >> first of all -- [ cheers ] >> we're not saying it's from another universe, we're saying it's from the same universe. the universe is very big. >> not like e.t. we've come all the way here and popped out elliott's house. he's made it all the way here. [ laughter ] >> i agree. no. >> that's the point. >> that's the point. >> okay. the chinese balloon is different. i'm not saying the chinese balloon was from another universe for this universe.
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>> it would have to be from china. if it's a chinese balloon. i mean that with all due respect. that's the least it can do. >> well -- >> i was going to say -- >> i'm moving on. >> obvious. [ laughter ] >> you fought bernie back out here if you talk about extraterrestrials and balloons. in the quality. >> if you're looking for proof there is life in outer space, intelligent life in outer space, look no further than russell. there is another accounting for how a -- >> i'm glad that became a compliment, sir, because i was reeling up. >> don't you worry. only compliments, my friend. >> with all the emphasis on dei are we inconfusing opportunity with equity and outcomes. that's interesting. equity is coming to the language in the last few years and before that we didn't hear it a lot and i think a lot of people hear equity and they hear equality. like it's the same word. it's not the same word in the same concept, so how would you
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differentiate between equity and equ equality? >> well, quality we talk about -- i don't know what the answer to that is. come to think of it, you know, equality is equality of opportunity. all right? we live in a society we want all people -- >> right. >> to have whatever color your skin is. >> equity is more guarantee of outcome, is it now? >> i think so. i think so. >> okay. so which side do you come down on? >> equality. >> equality. >> yeah. >> okay. >> boys? any comment on that one? >> i don't know if that's the definition difference. the equality outcome over equality of opportunity is a question that analyzes affirmative action and everything else and a very strong even people that want equality of outcome say they only want equality of opportunity and vice versa. that's a -- that issue, that core of that, what do you actually want and i think bernie
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is where everyone says they want to be but there are, in fact, programs that have been designed to actually engineer equal outcomes, not just equal community and that's where a lot of controversial has risen. >> one more, have democrats done enough to support strong labor unions, bernie? what's the future of unions in this country? i think they just subpoenaed the starbucks -- >> they didn't. i did. [ applause ] [ laughter ] >> that's not fair. no, look, we are not going to have -- that is an issue i do know something about. [ laughter ] and i pay attention to. the bottom line is that you're not going to have a middle class in this country unless workers are able to stand up, organize, form unions and negotiate for descent contracts. what we're seeing now more and more workers wanting to form unions but you're seeing companies like starbucks and amazon and other apple and other large corporations really engaging in illegal union
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bustling. we have asked the leader of starbucks, they had a ceo howard schultz to explain to us why he thinks it's acceptable that over 50 occasions the nlrb said they broke federal labor law in breaking unions so we hope to have him come before our committee. there will be a vote on wednesday, a vote on subpoenaing him. >> it just seems like there is a -- [ applause ] -- a strange sort of hypocrisy there because these are using liberal companies. i think whole foods, also and it's like they care a lot about the indigenous people of the bolivia andes but not some worker in cincinnati. >> you got it. they're very liberal about everything except whether workers can form a union and earn descent wages. they're very liberal -- [ applause ] -- except whether or not we ask them to pay their fair share of taxes that aren't so liberal then. that's right. >> thank you, everybody.
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can you remember what's happened in the news this week? let's quiz my panelists right now. okay, everybody. first things first, the vapors from the jack daniels tennessee distailry are a, making everyone in town aneebuated, b, causes birds to fly into telephone poles or c, coating the entire town in fungus. hold up your answer. don't cheat. go ahead. please hold up your answer. aneebuated, telephone poles, what is it, guys? >> i did learn something -- >> you get more points if you're the only one who's right by the way. >> i'm not cheating. >> you're just waiting. >> i'm seeing -- >> it's c. >> coating the entire town in fungus. that's right. next question, this week it was revealed that george santos a, has a new mystery treasurer. b, lies about being a tennis champion, c, falsely claimed to
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invent the toaster strudel. >> is there an all of the above choice? >> there should be. >> i wish i could do b but i like to be right. >> okay. yes, you're right. it's a. okay. next, the bidens ordered same dish at a d.c. restaurant, grilled sea bass with garlic butter, rigatoni with sausage, steak fritters. >> emily broke this -- >> i'm going with the rigatonni. >> a bill would offer returning residents subsidies for starting a business, b a commemorative john denver bus, c, $25,000 in tax credits. >> i want it to be b but it's not. >> okay. you say it's a. you say a. c -- the answer is c. >> c. >> okay. you guys, i think they won. >> undefeated? >> i think. > guys, thank you so much.
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worldwide. so when the devastating earthquake hit turkey and syria she mobilized. >> i need some 10 cc syringes. it's frantic leading up to a mission. this bag is ready to go. making sure we have the right equipment, the right medications. >> we have enough for hundreds of patients. >> we're going to be sleeping in a tent, eating mres. this is not going to be a good time. >> reporter: three days after the earthquake teresa landed in turkey. she and her team headed to hatay province. >> this is pock lip tick. >> i'm on the streets doing mobile clinics. all the people are living in these tents now because the buildings have either fallen down or have fallen down and go street to street and stop at these tent cities. we're seeing earthquake injuries, lacerations. we saw a child who had been trapped in the rubble for well over 12 hours.
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we're seeing coughs, colds, flu, from living together. whatever it is they need us to look at, we will and go back and sleep in our car, get up the next morning and do it again. >> reporter: they treated hundreds of people and one family adopted teresa's group as their own. >> this is my new turkish momma and these people have taken us in and allowed us to stay on their property and have given us tea. tell her we are so grateful for her. >> reporter: another reminder even in desperate times. >> you're welcome. >> reporter: humanity can shine through. >> i know. i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry. itit's okay. >> what an incredible story. to nominate your own cnn hero, go to cnnheres.com. thanks so much for watching. have a great weekend. our covege continues. >> announcer: cnn heroes is brought to you by subaru. love, it's what makes subaru.
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