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bicycle in between houses to negotiate peace, we negotiated peace that day. >> look back -- >> reporter: respect and adoration echoed by many whose lives crossed paths with carter. >> he really liked learning about what people's life experiences were and trying to think about ways that we could contribute as the carter center to making life better and easier for people. >> we're going to miss him. >> and our thanks to eva mckend for that terrific report. that's the news. thanks for joining me this evening. reporting from washington, i'm jim acosta. i'll see you tomorrow starting at 4:00 p.m. eastern. up next t the unbelievable true story of the man who took on putin and lived to expose the truth. the award winning film "navalny" airs right now. thanks for watching.
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>> rolling. >> we're rolling, daniel. >> okay. we're going, guys? >> yeah. >> okay. so i want to talk about something we sort of touched on this morning, and you might hate this, but i really want you to think about it. if you are killed, if this does happen, what message do you leave behind to the russian people? >> oh, come on, daniel, no, no way. like you're making movie for the case of my death. like, again, i am ready to answer your question, but, let it be another movie, movie number two. like let's make a trailer out of this movie and in the case i
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>> alexei navalny is stepping back into another showdown with the kremlin. >> what to do with navalny presents a conundrum for the kremlin. let him go and risk looking weak, or lock him up knowing it could turn him into a political martyr. ♪ [ applause ] >> are you not scared, alexei? >> what do you expect in moscow?
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>> unexpectedly vladimir putin has a genuine challenger, handsome 41-year-old lawyer alexei navalny who has chosen one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, running against the man who controls the kremlin. >> more than any other opposition figure in russia, alexei navalny gets ordinary people out to protest. >> if i want to fight putin, if i want to be leader of a country, i have to do something practical about it. well, i have to kind of organize people. [ speaking non-english ]
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[ speaking non-english ] >> his youngest fans have turned to tiktok which has been crucial in spreading the word. >> navalny's posted hundreds of videos about his corruption investigations, and they are wildly popular. >> the kremlin hates navalny so much that they literally refuse to say his name. [ speaking non-english ] [ speaking non-english ]
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>> our offices were raided, and they just confiscated everything, everything. they splashed a toxic liquid into my face, and my first thought was jesus, i will be kind of monster until the end of my days. as i became a more and more famous guy, i was totally sure that my life became safer and safer because i'm kind of famous guy, and it will be problematic for them just to kill me. >> and, boy, were you wrong. >> yes. i was very wrong.
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break our cameras or try to beat us. i expected that sort of thing, and i was very surprised like, hmm. why is nobody here? why is there a -- i even have the strange feeling like -- like a lack of respect. seriously i'm here. where's my police? the whole trip was the smoothest trip i ever had. i'm the kind a slave of thursdays because on thursday i have my online youtube show and then weekend i can spend with my family before another trip to another region. i was going home, and then i died. >> passengers on his flight from siberia heard alexei navalny cry out in agony.
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>> we've come to the conclusion that judging by the fact there were no poisons found in his blood or other biological materials he has a metabolic disorder, lowering of blood sugar levels to be specific. >> we're hearing state news agencies here that are backed by the kremlin suggesting that hallucinogenic drugs may be involved but not poisoning. [ speaking non-english ]
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the moment when i heard news that navalny was poisoned. my first thought was can this be the kremlin? would they be so dumb to try to kill the main opposition figure? i was skeptical. hmm, many it's one. many oligarchs. either it's a state-ordered attack or someone who is trying to assassinate opposition figures in order to appease putin. >> the closest anyone has come to a poisoning, the 2018 attack in salisbury, england. >> a defiant kremlin insisting that it had nothing to do with a brazen assassination attempt of form russian spy sergei skripal. >> skripal was poisoned by the military grade nerve agent novichok. >> the seriousness of novichok is starts switching off the nerve connectors in your body one by one.
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if it goes properly it will turn off your body, and then within hours any trace it will disappear so you'll always forever look like it was a natural death. >> this is why it appears to be the preferred form of killing for people whose death will be in the public scrutiny such as navalny. there was a lot of pressure for us to start investigating. media partners in russia reached out to us and said can you help? we looked at it and thought there's no hope in hell. we can investigate the crimes that happened in russia in the remote corners of siberia sitting here comfortably in europe. we didn't even try in the beginning.
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>> to have your dad, an opposition leader being poisoned by we don't know what, we don't know how, we don't know when and just be in a random hospital. it was just -- it was surreal. it was literally like a book. >> hello. >> the doctors can't say anything about his brain. he will recover even if they manage to wake him up. many millions of navalny supporters are trying to figure out how to help. we in berlin are a small team. we have to dive into actually like getting things done.
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>> we all were very skeptical about investigating alexei's poisoning. as opposed to previous cases, this poisoning took place on russian soil so no one is going to share ctv footage with us. we won't have videos from the airport where they poisoned his flight in and out, and as much it is a hard to admit while putin is in power we'll never find out the truth. >> julia, how is your husband this morning? [ speaking non-english ] >> it was so crazy, like it's putin's signature poison. >> we were shocked. he didn't just decide to murder
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him but to poison. and not just poison, but -- like leaving a signature on the crime scene. >> when you come to room of a comatose patient, you starting to just telling him the news. telling him his story. don't worry, you were poisoned, there was a murder attempt. putin tried to kill you with novichok, and he opened like his blue eyes wide and looked at me and said very clear -- come on, poisoned. i don't believe it. like he is back. this is alexei. >> putin is supposed to be not so stupid to use this novichok.
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>> his wording, his expletive, his -- >> if you want to kill someone, just shoot him, jesus christ, like real alexei. it's impossible to believe it. it's kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. what the [ bleep ]? this is why it's so smart because even reasonable people, like they refuse to believe, come on, poisoned. seriously. [ speaking non-english ]
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we don't trust sources because we don't trust humans. we trust data. berlincat is an organization of digital nerds. most of us have almost autistic fascination with numbers. every time you use your email, make a doctor's appointment, take a train or plane, every time you take the atm or look at the screen of your phone that leaves a trace. in a place like russia imagine the person who works at the travel agency that has access to the five manifests, getting $25 a day as a salary and then for another 25 they would be able to sell that flight manifest to anybody who asks for it. just because they will double their income for the day. this is a whole industry. data brokers are on the dark web. you negotiate a price and within a few minutes they say, yeah, i can get that data for you by tomorrow, and then you have to
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send bitcoin. now bellingcat can't pay for that data so i have to pay for that data myself. over the last five years of working on data journalism i've spent $150,000. my wife has no idea of this. my wife thinks i spent 2,000 or 3,000 and if she knew she wouldn't be my wife. >> she's watching -- >> and she's not watching. i'm absolutely sure she's not watching this movie now. [ speaking non-english ]
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>> our expectation was once he's released from intensive care he will have a desire to go to russia immediately. to our great relief he told me i better spend several months here. i want to go back to russia strong and fully recovered. >> for the longest time i wasn't sure what to make of navalny. i had always wondered how much of an independent figure he is, or is he one of the many fake opposition figure created by the kremlin?
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i criticized him on twitter, but he was known for having flirted with the extreme right in the early days of his career. he walked side by side with some pretty nasty nationalists and racists. had he moved beyond that? had he actually become a reverse dark knight? >> alexei navalny! [ speaking non-english ]
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>> within all my career i've about asked the same 15 questions all the time. are you afraid? are you working for kremlin? what is your family doing? you have a responsibility for your family. when if it's foreign journalists they are asking about nationalism and russian march, and every one of them, jesus christ, just watch previous interviews. >> hold on. were there not a couple of guys at that march. zighaler would no be a different category you would not want to associate with. >> in the normal world, in the normal political system of course i would never be in the same political party with them, but we are creating coalition, broader coalition to fight the regime just to achieve the situation where everyone can participate in election.
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>> there's a lot of politicians that would be uncomfortable even associating or being in the same photograph as one of these guys. you're not uncomfortable with that? >> i'm okay with that and i consider it as my political superpower. i can talk to everyone. anyway, they -- the citizen of russian federation and if i want to fight putin, if i want to be leader of a country, i can -- i cannot just ignore the huge part of it. well, there are a lot of people who call themselves nationalists. okay. let's discuss it. we're living in a country where they are poisoning politician and killing people and arresting people for nothing, so, of course, i'm totally fine to sit
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that sounds improbable. so we needed other journalists to look at it. i would like to share the limelight with some global medias so that it is validated by more than just us. >> yeah, yeah. >> so cnn, der spiegel are fine with you? >> that's good. >> okay. >> that means that we need to film exactly a week from now, maybe like... >> yeah. [ speaking non-english] >> we had a nightmare trying to get everybody to stick to the same time. it's all timed for simultaneous release, all the media channels are going to drop the bombshell simultaneously. >> there's a huge debate as to whether this was intended to incapacitate or kill. >> incapacitate or kill? >> yeah. >> i would say kill. 100% kill. >> if, for example, navalny had laundry returned to him while he was staying at the tomsk hotel the afternoon before he left, would that be a point of access?
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>> it's definitely a possibility. the question is how well you can dose the agent that way. you put, let's say, 10 times a deadly dose on the clothing. you must be sure, however, that at least one lethal dose gets into the body. >> tomorrow, we'll set up a phone with fake id. so if we can call them through this number, we can try to prank them. >> yes, of course. >> we can try to prank them. >> navalny will call personally, these poisoners, one by one, and we will record this. >> hi, this is navalny. you may remember me from trying to kill me. [ speaking non-english]
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>> great to see you. >> hi. >> is it your contention that vladimir putin must have been aware of this? >> of course. 100%. it could have not happened without -- >> who's the most stupid? >> most stupid of them? well, definitely... these are spetsnaz guys with no real training. >> i think it makes sense try to prank stupid guys. and maybe these non-military guy. >> when you were a kid, did you
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have any political awareness? was it a political family? did your family talk about politics? >> yes, my family talks about politics all the time, and it was very -- they start to talk much more after the chernobyl disaster, because actually, my father and his family, they are from chernobyl, from the small village 2 kilometers away, as i would say, 10 kilometers away from the nuclear station. everyone knows that it was an explosion at the nuclear station, but news keeping silence. and so all this nuclear and radioactive dust was on these fields, and they were forced to go, to plant potatoes just to prevent rumors just to explain population that, "everything is fine. everything is okay. go and work in the fields."
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with the first appearance of putin on the screen, i just felt it. i have this -- the same feeling, like i am watching tv and i am watching political leader and he is looking into my eyes and lying to me. ♪ ♪ >> this is the biggest challenge for me. i'm trying to practice juggling about a month, and because of coordination and balancing, because you need some balance here, it's -- i'm very bad in it. >> i think he wants to make sure this hits home in russian media, and he thinks that's best done if he does it. >> one more time. >> so we're not being journalists reporting about some politician, but we're reporting about a politician who has his own youtube show with over 30
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million followers and who considers himself half a journalist. >> ahh! >> yeah! >> actually, this is first time. you're lucky. >> that's a very unusual situation, and it doesn't make things easier. >> mom, is this yours? no, you have the water. >> hold my beer while i make a tiktok. no, no, no, no, no. just this second one. filming me with those, him, and i am asking, "how bizarre." >> okay. >> stop. again. >> [ singing ] how bizarre. >> you should remove the second one. >> oh, we can do that? >> yes, of course. this is the beauty of tiktok. >> i don't know how to -- i don't know how to do that. >> who's 19? >> you, apparently. ♪ elephants and acrobats ♪ ♪ lions, snakes monkeys ♪
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>> now we got everything! >> how could you do this? >> yes. he spilled the whole story. >> the whole story. >> this is unbelievable. >> poor guy, poor guy. >> they will kill him. they will kill him. >> they will kill him, literally. >> poor kudkyavotev. >> poor kudkyavotev. >> yes. >> he's dead man. >> let's offer him to defect. let's arrange for him the whole thing. >> seriously. >> 'cause i think that's the humanitarian thing to do. okay. der spiegel have been begging me to call them since the morning. can i tell them this already? is it confidential? >> let's just decide. are we going to publish this conversation? because i think we should wait for -- >> for this press conference at the very least. >> sorry? >> put in this press conference, at the very least. >> press conference, yes. >> this is on tuesday, or...? >> the 17th.
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contribution, guys. >> yeah. >> yeah. high five. high five. okay. good, good. good, good, good, good. let's go. >> now an exclusive investigation can reveal a top secret mission. an elite team of operatives has been tracking navalny's every move for more than 4 years. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. it's honor for me to be on such a big television of spain. i'm very pleased that you are paying attention this situation, so thank you very much. this scheme, which looks like it's from the movies, but in this particular case, it's a real scheme with real people. putin on the very top. >> in mid-august, navalny and his team traveled to siberia. at least five members of the fsb
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unit make the same journey on different flights. >> well, they can't be telling him now, but, of course, i'm sure they're trying to. thank you. thank you very much. >> back in tomsk, there was a surge in communications among the fsb unit and their bosses. if it was expected that navalny would die on the flight, they were now scrambling to deal with a very different situation. we enter a run-down apartment building on the outskirts of moscow, where operative oleg tayakin lives. my name's clarissa ward. i work for cnn. my name's clarissa ward. i work for cnn. can i ask you a couple of questions? was it your team that -- so you've said that you want to go back to russia. you're aware of the risks of going back. >> definitely. >> why do you want to go back?
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>> on tiktok. >> they're talking about this all the time. they're talking about you. >> their version, "hahaha, this is very funny." >> but the main point is, they have big problem. otherwise, they would not -- >> yeah, right, right, right. >> they allowed the state number one channel that has never mentioned his maim to only talk about him now. >> yes, you're absolutely right. this is my point. it's not affordable for them to keep silence. y. only from ihop. download the app and earn free food with every order. think he's posting about all that ancient roman coinage? no. he's making real-time money moves with merrill. so no matter what the market's doing, he's ready. and that's... how you collect coins. your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company.
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>> his favorite, ultimate answer for everything, "it's cia." >> great, great, great, great. this is just amazing pass to us. now we have a ball, because he's said, like, "well, if we want to poisoned him, of course we would have poisoned him." so just -- we'll just, we will -- i mean, the whole argumentation, we will smash it.
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>> one hour later, 1 million views. maria. cool >> the poisoning of russian dissident alexei navalny has taken an even more bizarre turn. >> if this was a hollywood movie, you would say it was over the top, but this is not. this is real, and boy, does this conversation punch a giant hole in the kremlin's narrative. >> surely this is hugely embarrassing for the kremlin and for the fsb. >> oh, absolutely. it's embarrassing for mr. kudkyavotev. it's embarrassing for the fsb. it's embarrassing for the kremlin. >> the fsb has said that a video of the conversation posted on navalny's youtube channel was fake and that the phone call was a provocation aimed at discrediting the agency. >> navalny is suffering from delusion of persecution.
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>> the entire, wide police just start arresting everybody, including journalists live on the air. this is crazy. i've never seen anything like this. >> there is no way they're not gonna arrest him. >> i don't think that they will let him come out to the crowd. >> i think they're gonna yank him away before anybody else is let off the plane.
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