♪ ♪ ♪ >> and welcome back to our cnn town hall about this country's fentanyl crisis. we could not end this evening without talking to the people on the front lines of this battle against fentanyl. i'm joined now by dr. ayana jordan, associate professor of psychiatry at nyu, and lou ortenzio, a former doctor who is in recovery after becoming

addicted himself while prescribing painkillers to patients. he helps others now with their recoveries, as the executive director of the clarksburg mission in west virginia. thank you both so much for being with us. you actually brought narcan with you. >> i did, i did. >> so, show, i think it's important for people to see it. i haven't actually seen it up closely. >> thank you for that opportunity. before i get started, i really just want to express my sincere empathy for the people that are here today. it's not easy, it's more to say, i am beyond sorry for your loss. but i am committed to doing things differently, okay. my role as a physician is to save lives, all right. i don't want to blow people up. i want to stop this from ever happening again, right. all right. so, thank you for that. [applause] >> and just -- as a physician, this is

emotional for you. because you see this up close. >> i see this up close all the time. >> and i feel like we are not concentrating on the science. this is not a political issue. i also am a scientist, right, so i have it md and ph.d.. so, not only do i treat patients who suffer from substance use disorder, but also just misused substances. and as we know, it is totally expected that people are going to use drugs. that's what teenagers do. that's what adults do. we learn from covid, myself included. the isolation, the forced lockdown, i use substances more than i had in the past as well. we are suffering. and so, we cannot criminalize our way out of this. we need to focus on the science,

what works? we know that investment in mental health services, the dea talked about that. and i agree with them. we have to get treatment to people. if it's harder to see somebody like me, guess what, people are going to go to the streets. they're going to take their pills from the streets. they're going to get the ativan and benzos from the streets. and one of the things that's important to understand, anderson, that we really have to think through is we can't just focus on the supply. because when we focus on supply, the people who make the drugs are just going to make something different, right. so, that's why we have something called tranq dub. because they're cracking down on fentanyl, and you think >> tranq dope is something veterinarians use. >> the name is xylazine. and it is a tranquilizer that is used for animals, right. and that's being mixed in with the dope now. so, heroin, and fentanyl, and

other products. because there's such harsh penalties on fentanyl that the chemists are saying, okay, let's make something else so we can circumvent the fentanyl. you understand? >> so, you're saying just focusing on the supply, that's nothing to solve the problem. >> it's not gonna solve this problem. >> lou, what do you think? >> in west virginia, we see supply driving demand. there's so much supply, so much first, prescription pain pills and heroin and methamphetamine, now fentanyl, so much slung on the streets, it drove demand. so, we have a high rate of addiction in our state. and so, we have to address recovery. we have to offer alternative solutions for folks to live their lives. >> you know about recovery firsthand. tell folks a little bit about yourself. >> as a physician, i had access to prescription pain medication and my sample covered. and when life got stressed, i had a headache, i would take. one and sampling that drove me heavily into addiction. i was my own dealer. i had access to all kinds of pain pills.

>> how long were you doing that? >> probably 20 years. but i've been sober 19 years. this is my 19th year sober recovery point. >> yes! >> [applause] >> i'm so happy you're here. >> and now i just want to give back to people. i'm in the same town that i was contributor amd a casualty of the opioid deck epidemic. i want to get. back i want to show people there's another way to live. at the clarksburg mission where i worked and the recovery ministry that we have. i see miracles every day. i have great hope for west virginia now. great hope in our nation. as we talk about this. this is a fabulous, to be talking about these things that are often held to be secret. >> but i hear what you're saying when you say, you know, supply alone, that's not going to do it. but there are a lot of folks in this room who have lost their children who were not using drugs, who weren't long term drug users, someone gave them a xanax.

so, cutting the access to that, you're not saying don't focus on -- >> what i'm saying is we have to focus on people who are experimenting with drugs as well, both sides, right? so, one of the thing is narcan, naloxone. this has to be part of a greater harm reduction strategy. and what can we do when people are experimenting? this saves lives. in the way that we had the height of the hiv epidemic, right, from 1981 to 1990, what's happening right now is blowing that out of the water. more people are dying in one year than all of those years combined. and so, in the ways in which condoms were freely given out, you can get condoms anywhere, there is no shame in getting condoms. everyone should know naloxone. no one in this audience should have never seen this. there should be in every subway, every train, every pharmacy. >> it's a nasal spray, i mean there's injectable, but this is

a nasal spray that if somebody is od'ing -- >> you can use it. and what it does is it blocks the effects of fentanyl and other opioids. i'm glad to open it up, so you people can see. there's nothing magic about it. i'm not going to give it to myself. but i just want to show you. it is a intranasal. you put it up in the nostril. and then you push and it delivers a spray. and that simple action can save lives. >> i just talked to mike fanone, a police officers who responded on january 6th, he told me that years ago on a drug bust he was on, a canine got some fentanyl. and he actually did that to a canine and it worked. he said he was not sure this would work, and he did it, and it works. it's incredible what it can do. >> it's incredible what it can do. so, what i mean is we have to have all hands on board. and support programs that get naloxone out everywhere. >> i want to bring in sarah lebowits. she's an elementary school

whose daughter died two years ago at the age of 22 of an accidental fentanyl poisoning. sarah, what's your question? >> doctor, thank you so much for all that you do. i would like to know, what are we as a nation doing to address the problem with mental health care and rehabilitation not being accessible to all people who need it? >> yeah, again, thank you for being here. i am an addiction psychiatrist, right, so that someone who not only deals with people who are misusing substances, but also have mental health struggles. one of the things that i think is most important is removing unnecessary barriers to mental health care. and one of the ways to do that is to scale up mental health parity. meaning that no matter what you have in terms of your diagnosis, that is covered under the insurance. unfortunately, that's not the case. there is so much stigma and insurance companies decide what is covered and what is not covered. that is a problem. so, really looking for

opportunity for universal health care system, that would cover mental health. also, making it really easy for people to be able to see a psychiatrist or other mental health professional, right, via telehealth. so, now what's happening is that you have -- you know, you have to have in person visit, you know, in order to see someone via tele-health. and we want to make sure what happened during covid-19 is that people can see someone like me indefinitely, i'm not necessarily need an in-person visit. >> mental health issues often drive addiction. people are self medicating. and really, that was part of my problem, is i had a lot of anxiety. those pills were pretty magic. but after a while, i was just taking pain pills to stop from being sick. it wasn't a matter of getting high. it wasn't euphoria. it was dope sickness.

and dopesickness is absolutely miserable. and what happens? your whole brain reward system gets hijacked. your prefrontal cortex is taken out of the loop. and you'll do anything. >> what do you think about safe injection sites? obviously, senator graham does it seem to support them. >> i mean, back in medical school in the 70s, the idea of methadone seemed like a wild idea. but slowly, it became accepted. and medicaid does this treatment. i had an issue with that at one point. now it fully accepted. i think we have to talk about all of those things. >> sam rivera runs a safe injection site. sam, talk a bit about what you do there? >> sure, first of all, thank you so much for what you shared. and again, i also send my condolences to everyone who has lost a month. so, i first want to be clear that there are overdose prevention centers, they're not safe injection sites. and the language really matters. they're partly modality, and

people come in and use a variety of different drugs in our presence. so, that if there is an overdose, we have the opportunity to save these beautiful men and women, all those aunts, grandmother, grandchildren, children of adults. really keeping them alive. and when i hear your story, i think about you're here. and anderson said he's happy you're here. if we don't keep drug users alive, when people talk about sending people to recovery, sending people to treatment, they'll never have that opportunity. >> look, you've been doing this for a long, long time. when somebody says, look, doesn't that encourage people to use, what have you seen? >> not at all. the good doctor said people are gonna use. we know that. but we want to do in the interim while they're using is keeping alive. all of our current participants, from 3000 we registered 15 months, all of our participants have been to the detox and treatment numerous times. so, when you hear people from a distance say just send people to treatment and it will be fine. yes, i agree. let's give them more access to treatment.

let's create a system and place where people can go get the support. but in the interim, we need to keep him alive. and we know that the 3000 people we've seen in our program have utilized our space more than 65,000 times. i mean 65 utilization didn't unpacked children or people the street. we had 1. 7 million units of hazardous waste collected on our site, that would've stayed in the street. and over 750 overdose interventions, by keeping these beautiful people with us. if they're with us and stay alive, if we give them an opportunity while they're using, then they can be here. and the other thing is, anytime any one of our participants, because this is this is a misnomer the harm reduction, anytime one of our presidents as they want treatment or they want to talk, we go into action immediately. and that's when the things we have to make clear out there. when i heard what this beautiful mother was talking about, giving people an opportunity, you see the split.

and that split hurts this country deeply. and it hurts us in a way when we're talking about someone taking a pill versus why do we have to have that split? we don't. >> i want to bring in jackie springer to the conversation. jackie's son, austin, died in august 2019 from fentanyl poisoning. she's active in the recovery community and working to end the stigma of addiction. jackie, thank you for being here. >> thank you. so, my question is, i've read recently that researchers are working on a fentanyl vaccine. and i was wondering how close we are to approved vaccine and how would that actually work? >> yeah, thank you so much for that. and again, my deepest condolences. so, unfortunately, we are not quite there yet. but the good news is that there has been a model tested in rats that actually worked. but you know that we are not rats, so we have to tested in humans. the nih, the national institute of health, it's actually

funding through the health and addiction for long term initiative two trials that i know of that are actually testing an opioid vaccine, which fentanyl is a type of opioid, and humans. one is really focused on opioids themselves, right. but then a specifically on heroin as well. that's ongoing. and we have to see what the safety is. it's not quite ready for primetime. but those studies are being done. >> how do people get narcan or naloxone? >> right, exactly, so, it depends. >> i mean, is it available over the counter? you can go to cvs and get it? >> again, it depends. and i genuinely mean that because it depends on what state you are in. and i think that's one of the issues in terms of why can't there be a national way to be able to disseminate fentanyl? in new york, new york city, right, there is a way you can

get it. you're supposed to be able to go into the pharmacy and just go and get it. but you have to either pay for it, or not be covered to your insurance. and oftentimes, if i send patients to get it, some pharmacies don't even stop it, which is a problem. so, when people want to do better and be safe, then their pharmacy may or may not have it. in other states, you have to get a physicians prescription in order to write it. but that's one of the things. it really does depend on where you live. >> in west virginia, we hope to have over the counter narcan within the next few months. but in the meantime, our staff at the clarksburg mission have been trained to be trainers. and we have an unlimited supply of narcan. so we pass it as much narcan as we can to keep people alive. from a christian perspective, keep them alive until they meet jesus christ. but certainly, and you had given yourself narcan, it would not hurt you. so, using narcan doesn't hurt anybody, even if they are not having an opioid dose.

>> dr. ortenzio and dr. ayana jordan, appreciate so much. i also want to thank all of our guests and everybody in the audience tonight. a reminder, if you are somebody you know needs assistance, the toll free number again is one 800 662 help. one 800 662 4357. you can also find -- the health services administration website, you can see on the screen. thanks to all our guests tonight. the news continues on cnn. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and we want to welcome our viewers in north america who have just joined us. i'm rosemary church. just ahead here on cnn newsroom, the americans who survived last week's deadly kidnapping in mexico are back home in a texas hospital. we will update you with the latest about them on that story. plus, awkward inconvenient admissions from a top host at fox news. tucker carlson and mits to a

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>> welcome back, everyone. well, the two americans who survived a deadly kidnapping in mexico on friday are back in the united states. according to mexican officials,

latavia washington mcgee and eric williams were found in a wooden house in matamoros on tuesday. williams wife told cnn he was shot in both whip -- likes. washington mcgee was not injured. her mother told our affiliate w e pd that she's spoken with her daughter and she's doing okay, but struggling on the fac she had to watch her friends die. two other victims, shaeed woodard and zindell brown were found dead inside that house. cnn has learned the group had traveled to mexico for cosmetics surgery for washington muggy, but they got lost on the way to the clinic in a dangerous cartel region. one man is in custody, accused of doing surveillance on the victims. but officials have not said whether he's tied to a criminal group. cnn's rosa flores has the latest developments. --

two members of the party were founded, and when the survivors was found severely injured, with a bullet wound to is like. according to u.s. and mexican officials. and the party for, latavia washington mcgee and eric williams survived. zindell brown and shaeed woodard were killed. >> we're providing all appropriate assistance to them and their families. and we extend our deepest condolences to the family and loved ones of the deceased. >> they cross the border from brownsville, texas, into matamoros, mexico friday, for mcgee to obtain a medical procedure, according to a friend of mcgee's. they drove a white mini van with north carolina plates across the border, and got lawful trying to locate the medical clinic where they were headed, a friend told cnn. before they're able to locate the clinic, disturbing video shows the aftermath of the kidnapping, as heavily armed men eluded them into a white truck and transported them to various locations to evade capture, according to mexican

officials. but the mexican president says those responsible will be found and punished. a u.s. official familiar with the investigation told cnn they believe a mexican cartel kidnapped the group after mistaking them for haitian drug smugglers. the state department has issued its highest level for warning do not travel to tamaulipas state, where the group is abducted due to heavy crime and kidnapping in the region. >> there are many people who crossed over that border for these medical appointments. >> to act on u.s. citizens is unacceptable, no matter where, no matter under what circumstances they occur. >> mcgee and williams are now under the care the fbi, and u.s. officials are making arrangements to bring home the bodies of brown and wood art. >> we want to see accountability for the violence that has been inflicted on these americans. >> the building that you see behind me, that's where we believe that the americans are receiving medical treatment. the hospital has not issued a statement with the patient's

condition. now, the fbi, for its part, saying that it is an ongoing criminal investigation. and it is working with federal law enforcement partners, both here in the united states and in mexico, to get to the bottom of who did this. now, the fbi also saying that they are working to recover the victims, the deceased victims from mexico, back to the united states, so they can reunite them with their families. rosa flores, cnn, brownsville, texas. >> mexico is the second most popular destination for medical tourism globally, according to patients be on board, on international health care consulting company. they estimate up to 3 million people travel to mexico each year to take advantage of inexpensive treatments. on average, americans can save 40 to 60% on common medical procedures, but are taking risks because these clinics are not held to u.s. standards and also setting foot in a

potentially dangerous environment. cnn on español corresponded gustavo -- explain. >> for the most part, the attacks like the one we saw are reserved for confrontations among the cartels are cartel members. this is a state that is home to the gulf cartel, so, it's a very violent criminal organization. but typically, you see these attacks among themselves. and what you see is collateral damage, like we saw with this woman who was shot in this confrontation with the four americans. the americans are safe, as long as they're they during the day. typically, the criminal organizations don't want to get into this kind of publicity. but the danger is always there. that's why it is the -- state department has the alert to be careful when you cross into mexico, especially in this part of the country. >> one of the biggest stars on the network that caters to conservatives was caught

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another embarrassment for fox news. it's star host, tucker carlson, was caught bashing former u.s. president donald trump in text messages never meant to become public. they were sent shortly before the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol, and were released on tuesday in a court filing. it's part of dominion voting systems 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit against the right-wing channel, promoting lies about the 2020 election being stolen. carlson wrote, and i'm quoting directly here, we are very, very close to being able to ignore trump most nights. i truly cannot wait. i hate him passionately. i blew up at former trump advisor peter navarro today in frustration. i actually like peter, but i can't handle much more of this. that's the last four years.

we're all pretending we've got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest. but come on, there isn't really an upside to trump. cnn's senior media reporter over darcy added this context. >> i would also point out that this wasn't just one time when tucker wasn't very honest about trump behind the scenes. he called his postelection behavior disgusting. he said that trump not going to biden's inauguration was destructive, he called him a demonic force, he called him a destroyer. there is a lot of stuff tucker carlson was saying behind the scenes that he never had the moral courage to sages actual audience. >> tucker carlson is also facing a barrage of criticism from republicans and democrats alike, for cherry-picking video from january 6th and downplaying the violence. carlson says it was neither an insurrection nor deadly. even accused democrats and the media of lying about the death

of capitol police officer brian sicknick, who was assaulted by rioters and died the next day. cnn's sara murray reports. >> after fox news attempts to whitewash the deadly attack on the u.s. capitol, even some republicans are setting the record straight. >> i think it was, yeah, it was an attack on the capital. >> i think breaking through glass windows and doors to get into the united states capitol, against the orders of police, is a crime. to somehow put that in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie. >> i think it's [bleep]. >> fox news is tucker carlson using curated clips to claim there was no insurrection. >> these were not insurrectionist, they were sightseers. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy gave tucker carlson exclusive access to thousands of videos from january 6th. >> speaker mccarthy is every

bit as culpable as mr. carlson. >> as u.s. capital police chief tom bearinger tore into carlson 's program for its, quote, offensive in this leading conclusion. the program cherry pick from the 41,000 hours of video, set an internal memo. the commentary fails to provide context with the chaos and violence that happened before and during these tense moments. >> it was a mistake, in my view, for fox news to depict this in a way that is completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement at the capitol thinks. >> the chief also defended fallen officer brian sicknick, who is attacked with chemical spray and physically fought members of the mob, after carlson questioned links between his death in the insurrection. >> here's footage of sicknick, walking to the capitol -- >> a day after the capitol attack, sicknick died from a series of strokes. the medical examiner said he died of natural causes, but all of that transpired on january

6th played a role in his condition. sicknick's family slammed fox in a statement, saying every time the pay -- the pain of that day seems to have a bit, organizations like fox rip our wounds open again and we are sick of it. another carlson claim that the qanon shaman walk through the capitol without pushback from police. but in court, where jacob chansley pleaded guilty, prosecutors say authors repeatedly tried to get him to leave. but officers felt outnumbered on january 6th, and wary of confronting a. this, as the justice department still works to hold rioters to account for the attack that day. >> we have charged more than 1000 people with their crimes on that day, and more than 500 have already been convicted. i think it's very clear what happened on january 6th. >> former president and current presidential candidate donald trump proclaimed let the january 6th prisoners go, and off to his thanks to carlson and mccarthy. >> now, as the house speaker kevin mccarthy, he says he has no regrets about releasing this

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administration is considering restarting the practice of detaining migrant families at the southern border. on tuesday, the homeland security secretary briefed members of the congressional hispanic caucus, alejandro mayorkas says no decisions have been made on family detention and many ideas are being entertained. some democrats swiftly condemn the potential reinstatement of family detention, calling it deeply concerning. the secretary tells cnn all options are on the table. lee gallant is the legal director of the ac la -- aclu immigrant rights project. we appreciate you being with us. >> sure, thank you for having me. >> so, the biden administration is considering reviving the policy of detaining migrants who were illegally entered the country with their children. what will be the likely consequences of such a move, if they decide to do this when

title 42 ends on may 11th? >> yeah, we hope the biden administration is not seriously considering this. there is just too much evidence now that detaining children is extremely harmful to their short term and long term health. we are disappointed in the biden administration. the biden administration came in after the trump administration said we are now going to implement humane immigration policies. and we're not going to go down the road that the trump administration did. and yet, that's what we've seen at the border. first, the biden administration now cap title 42, we're now three years out from pandemic. hopefully title 42 and sometimes the spring. but now the biden ministration has proposed a new asylum ban to take the place of title 42, something else that i would not do, something the aclu and its partners challenged in court when the trump administration didn't successfully challenge. and now on top of all that, we

have this being floated that i may start detaining families again. we hope this was just a bad idea proposed by a few people, and as swiftly rejected. but we'll wait and see, because at this point, this far into the biden administration, we've seen them do a lot of draconian things at the border. so, we will fight it if we have to. but we hope they will reconsider. >> as you mentioned, president biden ended this family detentions when he first came to office. so, why do you think he's considering reinstating this controversial policy now? >> yeah, so, i hope that they are not actually considering it. it's bad enough that they're actually considering the asylum ban, which they seem dead set on doing. but i think what's happened at the borders's politics have overtaken the biden ministration. i think the biden administration has largely been ignoring the law and moral

consequences of border policy, and the policy has just been dictated by politics for the most part. i just don't see any other explanation for the administration saying we're going to now start detaining families, including families with little children. i think that's the way we see it at this point. >> you mentioned the politics. and we know that president biden is feeling pressure about what is happening at the southern border of the united states of america. so, he needs to be seen to be doing something, doesn't he. what would you like him to do? >> so, we would like him to stop going for easy short term solutions that seem like they're good soundbites politically. we know what works at the border, it's providing more asylum officers, more immigration officers, and having an efficient system, but a fara system and not detaining people, not barring them for asylum.

united states has more than enough resources to put in an efficient silent system. we are not against them making the system more efficient. but we can't have a system that detains families with little children, barr is numb from applying for asylum outright. we just need to roll up our sleeves, do the work, put the resources in, which we have, and prioritize this. i think this is a situation where it is very easy to pander to the politics. it's harder to say we're going to actually implement these real long term solutions. but that's what needs to be done. >> all right, we do need to mention that the policy of detaining families is just one of several options the biden administration is apparently considering as they prepare for the end of title 42. what are some of the other options? do they perhaps offer a better alternative? >> so, we were hopeful at the end of title 42 the biden administration would move toward a system of providing everyone with an asylum hearing. and again, i want to be clear,

we are not saying everyone will ultimately be a titled to asylum. what we are saying is that everyone is entitled to a fair shot at asylum. and that's what we've promised after world war ii and said we would never go back on. so, we urge the biden administration to take a step back and say we are going to comply with a domestic and international obligations and do what's right at the border, and not look for a short term solutions that they may think our political winners. i think at the end of the day, politically the people who are pushing against the biden administration and immigration are going to continue pushing no matter what they do. so, i think they ought to do what's right and what we think is legally required. >> but lee gelernt, thank you so much for joining us, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> the acting chief of the u.s. federal aviation administration will appear before a senate committee hearing in the coming hours. senators want to know about the agency's efforts to reform how it certifies new airplanes.

the changes come in the wake of two boeing 7:47 max crashes in 2018 in 2019 that killed more than 300 people. the fatal crashes raised safety questions about the faa's airplane certification program. and that's not the only safety concern facing the aviation industry. there's been an alarming rise in frightening incidents involving u.s. airlines. this week, a man was arrested for allegedly attempting to stab a flight attendant in the neck with a broken metal spoon during a flight. and as cnn's pete muntean reports, that's far from the only shoe on flights around the country. >> they are among the latest incidents concerning your safety in the sky. from unruly passengers -- >> i'm taking over this plane. >> to another near collision on the runway. >> 21 72 going around. >> the faa and ntsb just announced they are investigating a february

incident at the sarasota bridington international airport in florida. it's the sixth close call involving commercial airliners at major u.s. airports this year. investigators say an american airlines flight was cleared to land on the same runway where an air canada rouge flight was taking off. >> the system is as stressed as i've ever seen it in my 30 plus years working in the airlines. >> dennis tager represents american airlines pilot union. >> these incidents, things that we've been talking about well over a year ago, are starting to show up on the flight deck and in operations. >> problems extend to passenger cabins, where there's been a second high-profile unruly flyer in as many weeks. >> this is going to be a bloodbath everywhere. >> the justice department says 33-year-old francisco torres was wrestled to the ground sunday on board a united airlines flight. >> a couple passengers tried to talk to him, to calm him down. it was only making him more agitated. >> lisa olson recorded the video on the flight from los angeles to boston. court documents say torres

attempted to open the emergency exit and stab a flight attendant with a metal spoon. >> the united crew, plus all the passengers being able to act so quickly, just was very comforting. i had confidence, complete confidence, that they had everything under control. >> passengers say at one point, torres was able to escape the zip ties that were being used to restrain him. right now, he's being detained pending a court hearing. all these issues likely to come up on capitol hill wednesday. the acting administrator of the faa is facing lawmakers ahead of a safety summit next week. pete muntean, cnn, washington. >> uncontrollable sobbing. that's what michelle obama said in the moments after the inauguration of former president donald trump. the former first lady revealed how she really felt on that day, and leaving the white house and a new podcast. >> there were tears.

there is that emotion. but then to sit on that stage and watched the opposite of what we represented on display. there was no diversity. there is no color on that stage. there was no reflection of the broader sense of america. i cried for 30 minutes straight, uncontrollable sobbing. >> obama also spoke about the size of the crown of the integration, countering claims made by trump. take a listen. >> you get on marine one and you take air last flight off, flying over the capital, where there weren't that many people there, we saw. it by the way. >> the podcast audio is part of the former first ladies tour for her new book, the light we carry. and thank you so much for a company. i'm rosemary church. i'll be back with more cnn newsroom in just a moment. don't go anywhere.

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