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international women's day. first lady jill biden marked this annual event by honoring 11 female leaders for their courage and strength. international women's day raises awareness about gender disparities and discrimination, very important issues here in the united states and indeed around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. i'll see you again two hours from now, 9:00 p.m. eastern for my cnn prime time exclusive, the zelenskyy interview. until then, thanks very much for watching. up front next, pleased to go to prison, sugs soldiers on camera begging their commander to lock them up so they don't have to fight. this is an activist that spent nearly two years in russian prison is here with me tonight with a warning and a message to
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others who bravely speak out in russia. we learn more about how tucker carlson said one thing on camera about trump and the complete and total opposite behind the scenes. and is climate change making air travel more dangerous? i'm going to talk to captain sully who made that miraculous rescue. put us in jail, that's a direct request from russian soldiers. in a new video we have at out front tonight, you're going to hear a conversation between mobilized russian soldiers and their commander. the men are angry about their ordered. one of them taping this. they make it clear they would rather be put behind bars than die in putin's war. >> translator: are we specialists or something? you don't want us to refuse? we better go to [ bleep ] jail. put everyone in jail. we'll stay there. no one will go there to attack.
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how long is it? five, seven years? ten? don't give a [ bleep ]. at least we'll be alive. >> translator: i have no rights to put you in jail. >> translator: my life is dear. i'm being serious. i'll be earning money in jail and sending it to my family. >> earning money in jail is better than the front lines. and you heard him. for whom? for what are they fighting? ? a sense it is astonishing to hear that, a group of men telling their commander they would rather sit behind bars for ten years than fight on the front lines, making it clear they don't know who they are fighting for. a fight that has become so brutal and bloody that now for some men on the front lines, it's driving them to suicide. it's a horrible moment. and again, those russian soldiers. >> translator: yesterday, a guy went outside, sat on the bench, put a gun to his head and blew his brains out.
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he got on his knees, we heard the shot at 4:00 a.m. >> it's hard to hear. but it's important to hear. these men, human beings, being forced to fight in the front lines. it does give incite into the mindset of the russians fighting. it comes as we have new video of the fight for bachmut. ukraine claims it killed more than 100 russian soldiers. that's what the russians are dealing with, 100 dead a day. the war over who was in control is now in full swing. claiming his men control the eastern part of the city, but zelenskyy's number two members showed up today, his third visit in less than a week. ukraine released this new video of soldiers freely driving through the city. we've geolocated this, playing
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music, stores shattered, apartments decimated. and they're playing music. it also appears a ukrainian pipeline has been repaired. this is a bridge you're looking at. that bridge had been destroyed. means ukraine no longer had to rely on one dangerous dirt road. that is another set back for putin in a months-long battle that russia expected to last just a couple of weeks. i just spoke to nadia, a member of the punk group pussy riot who has long protested putin's regime. you're going to hear what she has to say to russians now. first, fred is live in moscow to begin our coverage. fred, how is putin talking about the fight tonight? >> reporter: if you look at russian state-run media, the russians do believe they have a little bit of momentum going on on the battlefield. however, today, vladimir putin
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said russia is under attack, he said specifically under attack from the west. to russia on international women's day, he also said for him, it's important that russia's women become part of that battle as well. here's what we're learning. while the russian army continues its devastating assault on ukraine with losses on both sides mounting, it's all hearts and flowers in moscow. russia celebrating international women's day. many of the women willing to speak to us saying they would make the ultimate sacrifice, sending their boys to fight. >> translator: if there's no other way, yes, i would send my son and go myself if declared fit. >> translator: we collect money for drones, do what we can, and we want our boys to win. >> translator: i support president putin. he does everything right. good man. we love him. >> reporter: and the russian
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president is publicly trying to show his love for russia's women, handing out medals and warning more sacrifices will be necessary. >> translator: now that russia is again facing direct threats to its security and sovereignty, we see many examples of depravery and determination, courage, a willingness to protect the truth and the future of the state itself, the future that we ourselves need. >> reporter: on the front lines, the going remains tough. the ukrainians say they've killed scores of russians in the past day alone around the embattled city, bachmut. that's where the wagner private military company is unleashing its cannons on ukraine's defenses. talking to his own mercenaries about what he says is a lack of ammo hindering further advances. >> translator: how are you managing now when you are almost using more ammunition than you
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received? >> translator: the guys from another regimen helped us out. they brought a day's worth of ammunition. when we have more, we help them out. >> reporter: progression claims wagner is now in control of all of eastern backmut the. >> translator: the world is yet to face a fully prepared russian army with units not get engaged in combat with all the engaged weapons. perfectly trained, they are buying their time until wagner opens up operational space for them. >> reporter: but the ukrainians say they will stand and fight in backmut, and many more women may find their husbands and sons going to battle as the war drags on. the ukrainians are admitting the
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russians have made some advances there. you were mentioning ukraine's second highest general was there for the third time in a week, and he said that buy and large, the defenses there are holding, and he's saying they are trying to force the russians to make errors to try to turn the tide in bakhmut. let's go to the retired army lieutenant. general, you know, you just heard his claim. but then in that same portion, he talks about this lack of ammunition and how that's hurting further advances, and he keeps complaining about this issue of ammunition. what do you think is happening here? >> he is trying to publicize the fact that he's not getting what he wants. this is the continued personality clash between putin and others. you know, when you're in a situation where you're having to ask prisoners to come back to
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the fight, where you're having what the u.s. army calls a sensing session, and that was one of the most bizarre ones i've ever seen at the beginning of your clips where the soldiers are refusing to go back to the fight and would rather go to jail, you know you have trouble. then someone standing in front of a statue saying, just wait, the real russian army is coming. the real russian army has not come, they're not trained to standard, they're not going to be there to full force since they haven't been there in the last 13 months. whereas i don't have any precise information of what's going on in bakhmut, this has been going on for seven months, and ukraine has continued to hold that city. as you showed in that one clip with ukrainian soldiers driving through the town seemingly in control, the russian military might be able to take elements of this city, but they can't hold it. it's one thing to attack. it's another thing to hold on to
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what you secure. >> i want to play you something else pergosian said today. >> translator: the world is yet to face a fully prepared russian army with units not yet engaged in combat with all the possible state-of-the-art weapons and tools. perfectly trained, they are buying their time until wagner opens up operational space for them after bakhmut. >> perfectly trained, they are waying their time. is there anything to that, or is that bs? >> i will just say, he's a freaking idiot. i'm sorry for being that gross and that correct. but the kind of comments he's making, he's not a soldier, he's not a commander, he dresses up like one. he doesn't understand leadership or morale or warfare. to stand up in this place saying
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everything's going to be fine, but at the same time another film has him saying we don't have enough ammo, and in another film he's saying, we're using prisoners. it seems ridiculous. the guy is a joke. >> certainly bizarre to put all those things together. general hurtly, thank you as always. >> pleasure. thanks, erin. out front now, a russian activist and member of pussy riot jailed for 20 months in russia. russia recently opened another criminal trial against her in response to an art show that included burning a portrait of putin. i really appreciate your time. you hear some of these russian women saying, one says, i support putin. he does everything right, good man, we love him. is this the view of most russians even now? >> i highly doubt it.
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it's really difficult to measure what the public actually thinks about putin because it's incredibly costly to criticize him. i've seen a lot of political prisoners in russia appearing every day. people are getting eight years for pushing like button on instagram. and it makes it incredibly dangerous for people to say something against putin. there was a case recently where an 11-year-old girl made a drawing with a ukrainian flag, and she was -- she's currently in foster care, and her dad is under arrest. >> foster care and her father under arrest? 11 years old. it's terrifying. that brings it home. you know, you know because you spent almost two years in a russian prison. what happens when you cross putin in any way.
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what risks are people taking now to speak out? >> they can be arrested. their family members can be arrested. they can be murdered themselves or to other friends of mine who died because of criticizing putin and his regime. it's -- it's not something that i would advise people do, to go openly against the war or president putin or at least if they are in russia currently. they can make this choice for themselves, but i wouldn't advise it because it's worse to risk your life and the life of your relatives. that's why whenever russians are being criticized for not doing enough, i feel for them because a lot of people i know, they have to stay in russia.
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they don't have voice. they simply cannot speak out against the regime because it can be just incredibly dangerous, and they also cannot leave the country because not everyone is privileged enough to be able to leave the country and start a life somewhere else. >> how bad is it being prisoned in russia? you said you spent the 0 months away from a child that you had, and you had to serve that time. >> it's -- it's really a hell on earth, especially when you're being moved to the penal colony where you have to work. by law, you have to work, and it's practically a slave labor. luckily, i was able to fight against the system, and years later after i got out of jail, my prison boss -- ex-prison boss -- was sentenced for slave
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labor in the penal colony where i served my time, i was forced to sew police uniforms. these days, people who oppose putin and who say something against the war, they are being sent to colonies to produce military uniforms. >> that's incredible irony, horrible irony. i know you just hosted a benefit auction called my body, my business. it's performance. it's punk but also art. and this has been crucial to you. the auction is in honor of international women's day, benefitting reproductive organizations worldwide. putin today actually came out and spoke about national women's day, and i want to play for you part of what he said the holiday means to russia. >> translator: it is always filled with special warmth and meaning, kind, joyful, and sincere feelings because this
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reverence and respect towards women and motherhood is an unconventional value for us, something we have been passing on from generation to generation. >> that was today. >> such a clown. >> that's really all there is to say. >> pretty much. >> well, i appreciate your taking the time and talking to me. >> thank you. >> you say what you have to say. sometimes you only need a couple of words to say something when it's what you feel, and it says it all. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> i appreciate it, nadia. and next, new court filings in the defamation case against fox news have just been released. this as we learn tucker carlson said of trump, quote, i hate him passionately. then why was he saying this in public? >> i actually love donald trump as a guy. plus, authorities ramping up their search for the killers who kidnapped four americans in
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made the decision not to air the false allegations of the dominion. these were of course allegations at the heart of the lawsuit. the dominion voting systems changed votes in mass. paula reid is out front. and paula, what else do these filings tell us? >> they suggest fox news could lose this case. usually defamation is difficult to prove. the bar is high. you have to show actual malice, that someone knew they were lying. the evidence we're seeing here from tucker carlson and others strongly suggests they did know these claims about the election were not true and said them anyway. these documents reveal it was all about money and ratings. this is the tucker carlson america sees on camera. >> the outcome of our presidential election was seized from the hands of voters. >> reporter: but new court documents revealing a very
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different carlson behind the scenes, texting a producer on january 4th, 2021, saying of trump, i hate him passionately, i can't handle much more of this. we are very, very close to being able to ignore trump most nights, admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest, but there isn't really an upside to trump. those remarks a total contrast to remarks about trump. >> i love trump as a guy. i'm so grateful donald trump ran in 2016. donald trump like -- [ cheers and applause ] donald trump completely changed my view of everything. >> reporter: his private messages were released as part of dominion voting systems' $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against the right wing network revealing fox news stars and top executives didn't believe the lie they put on air that the
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2020 election was stolen. but amid following ratings, the the network continued to promote trump and his lies. >> what happened was, the people in charge rigged the game. >> reporter: despite his prior personal objections to trump, carlson continues to support him publicly, defending him after a search warrant was executed at mar-a-lago. >> no honest person could believe the raid on donald trump's home last week was a legitimate act of law enforcement. it was not. >> reporter: and seen here laughing with donald trump at a golf tournament over the summer. we expect additional evidence to be released tonight and the next legal development occurs in two weeks. there will be a hearing where both sides will try to convince a judge to resolve this case in their favor without a trial. if that doesn't work, they could settle before this is scheduled to go to trial on april 17. >> thank you very much and laying all that out, it's amazing to see it.
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outside, jonah goldberg. of course, jonah, i have to note, you were subpoenaed and deposed by dominion in this case. you can't speak about that deposition obviously. let me start with what is so jarring here in what we're learning, the difference between what tucker carlson said about trump in public versus private. there's no nuance, no reading between lines. this is as starkly clear as it can get. in private, quote, i hate him passionately. there isn't an upside to trump, a demonic force. you've known him for decades. did you know what his real feelings were about trump? he passionately hated him, demonic force, stuff like that? >> the few times we talked about trump, he could be critical of the guy, but i don't remember him ever saying i hate him
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passionately or any of that kind of thing. i think the thing to keep in mind about tucker is he's a lot smarter than a lot of the other people playing the same game tucker is playing. one of the things you get when you have -- when you're that smart is you're not only just good at lying to the audience, you're good at lying to yourself. when you listen to that clip you ran in the setup piece about how he's grateful trump man and it made him change how he thinks about everything, i think there's a lot of truth to that in so far as trump may get created a new structure for a lot of people to turn on fire hoses of bs and monetize it and i think that tucker learned from that. and i think he's grateful for that new environment because he's thrived it. >> the reality in this case as this is laid out and you're talking about defamation, serious things that could threaten fox news itself.
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tucker carlson has been a ratings leader there. he's been the conversation driver for fox for years. does this lawsuit as you see it threaten that, his show, his professional existence? >> well, you might think it would except he's kind of spent the last week since the latest dominion revelations doubling and tripling down on the act. maybe he knows something or has a theory of the case. maybe he thinks he's unfireable. maybe he's playing a stop me before i kill again game with rupert trying to get himself fired so he can make himself a martyr. i don't think this will be fatal for fox. it would be a big blow, i think it could trigger shareholder lawsuits. but fox is a giant atm machine. it's not something they want to lose for sure, and i do think there is going to be a considerable blood letting down the road.
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i don't know if tucker will get the ax, but i would not buy a lot of stock in fox ceo susan scott at this point. she seems to be sort of like a thanksgiving turkey. why are you giving me all this good food lately. so i think she's going to go. but the real trick is when tucker's audience realizes that he's playing them. and until they do, he is going to remain popular, and he's going remain faithful to them. he considers his role as far as i can tell to simply be the voice of his biggest fans. he's not going to disappoint them. he's kind of like he's taking cues from the audience, and he is doing fan service for them. >> jonah, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> fascinating perspective given how much you know. well next, terrifying new details from the mother of one of the four americans kidnapped
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this according to her mother who added the cartel members started shooting at the americans immediately after they encountered them. melissa flores is out front. >> reporter: two of four americans kidnapped in mexico seen in this disturbing video are now in the u.s. and preparing to return home. latavia mcgee, mother of six, heading to south carolina today, according to her family who spoke to her by phone. >> all i did was say hey and told her i missed her. >> the other survivor, eric williams, remains in brownsville, texas. for now, one person has been detained, linked to the kidnappings, a 24-year-old male who authorities say was watching the victims. mexican officials would not confirm whether he is linked to a criminal investigation. the u.s. is now working to bring home the remains of sil dell
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brown and shaeed after the four americans crossed the border from brownsville, texas. we do know the group was driving a rented minivan and got lost in route to a clinic where mcgee had a medical appointment according to a friend. we just left the hotel where the americans stayed, and it's about an 11-minute drive to the national bridge where the mexican authorities say the americans cross in about 9:00 a.m. on friday. mcgee's mother said she spoke to her daughter about the kidnapping. >> a van came up and hit them and started shooting at the car. the others tried to run and got shot at the same time. >> reporter: the four americans were found by mexican authorities here on tuesday. officials say americans routinely going to mexico for medical care using ports of entry like the ones you see behind me, but officials
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encourage them to go directly to their destination. mexico is the second most popular destination for tourism annually. >> it's risky having any kind of medical procedure done outside the united states. you run the risk of going to a doctor or facility that is not accredited. you run the risk if there are any disputes over the money that you have been charged or if the procedure doesn't go well. >> reporter: and there are concerns beyond the medical and legal risks. officials encourage caution when traveling. the u.s. has a do not travel to several regions in mexico, including where the americans traveled. >> you are not only risking your life. you are also risking the possibility that you might not
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make it home. >> i know you grew up near the southern border, and you have witnessed this boom of medical tourism. >> absolutely, erin. when i grew up here, it was mostly people from the valley who would cross over to mexico to get dental cleanings or general medicine or surgeries. but the internet changed all of that since websites are a thing and also social media. doctors have gotten very savvy. they advertise on social media in english. they include videos and testimonies. as you've seen, people from all over the country come to the border to get these medical procedures now. >> it's really incredible to see those numbers. thank you very much, rosa. next, terrifying turbulence on planes leaving passengers rattled. >> my life flashed before my eyes. i thought it was the end. >> could climate change have
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union spokesperson pointing the finger at the faa over a string of terrifying incidents on planes. >> what we need is for the airlines, the faa to do their jobs. they're scheduled us to the maximums, reducing pilot training, and we shouldn't be surprised when we see the safety seals start to leak. >> that's pretty terrifying, adding to flying fears aban alarming number of violently turbulent flights even a death of a white house official. tom foreman is out front. >> reporter: violent turbulence has been a feature of flying for decades, with each year bringing fresh and frightening examples. >> a lot of people hit the ceiling. a lot of screaming. >> reporter: a series of recent incidents have alarmed some flyers. >> it was pretty scary. kind of like out of a movie. >> reporter: and they have
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terrified others. >> my life flashed before my eyes. i thought it was the end. >> reporter: climate change has been linked to increasingly severe weather. a question has emerged, is the climate making turbulence worse too? proves sore who studies atmospheric science. >> in much the same way it's made heat waves more striking as well. at all flight levels in all seasons, everywhere around the world where there's a jet stream. >> reporter: he says climate change is creating atmospheric disturbances which generates a ripple-like effect in the air even when no bad weather is apparent. when a passenger is injured like the seven who went to the hospital after a flight a few days ago or if someone dies as
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happened with a woman on a private jet over new england, the national transportation safety board notes the incident, but it does not track turbulence on all flights. >> and frankly, that's not enough. we need to have a more robust system because the attempts at forward-looking radar to pick up clear air turbulence, they simply have not panned out yet. >> reporter: more information is key, researchers say, because the threat is not going away. >> i would love to see more efforts put into collecting reliable, robust data as we move into this more turbulent future. >> reporter: there are indications of federal aviation administration is indeed going to step up its efforts to collect more data on turbulence, but it's a really big job.
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still, fif it works, could lead to smoother flights ahead. >> terrifying. thank you very much, tom. i want to go now to captain sully sullenberger. we all know him as the pilot in the miracle hudson landing. he's also the ambassador to the civil aviation organization. i want to start with something tom was reporting on. this issue of climate change and the increased climate in the air. do you have a doubt that there's a link between climate change and turbulence? >> i think it makes sense that as there's more energy in the air, there's more potential for turbulence. >> it's scary because we hear about some of this, it's in clear air and there's no way to sense it. makes it very unsettling and scary. it's also in the context of the past six weeks, we've had six
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close calls at major airports, new york hawaii, and american, delta, jet blue, united, all the major airlines involved. we're talking about planes taking off and landing on the same runway at the same time. some people have phones and film it, but plenty are some people may not have known about in the moment. why do you think this is happening with such frequency? >> i think they're happening more often, and of course people with smart phones, i think people are recording and making public things that previously were not disclosed as quickly. technology can help with turbulence. it's going to take some time. but there are ways being developed for aircraft to sense the turbulence and automatically download to the ground the location, altitude, and intensity of it so other flights can be known to that in real time. it would be a great help. in terms of what needs to be
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done, i think first of all, we must have a continuous, predictable, multiyear funding for all our essential infrastructure, for the faa and air traffic control system. i think if we did that instead of reacting and trying to play catch up, we would be better off. >> meanwhile, there's a push to lower the required training hours by as much as 50%. i believe you strongly object to that, right? >> let me be clear. that idea is dumb, dangerous, and ironically unnecessary. we're looking at the problem wrong if we take that approach. here's one real life example. if we needed to have more primary care physicians in rural areas, would we suggest the answer to this problem would be to cut medical school from four years to two? no. that's crazy.
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so we need to find ways to select, to train, and to get the experience necessary to our pilots rather than trying to find ways to cheapen and quicken what is a critically important training and experience evolution. >> absolutely. all right. thank you very much ambassador sullenberger. thank you. >> good to be with you. >> all right. you too. next, ron desantis picking a fight with the white house for blocking novak djokovic for entering the united states for a tournament in florida. >> i would run a boat from the bahamas here for him. i would do that, 100%. and a warning tonight about china from the u.s. military after beijing builds its largest embassy right on american shores in the bahamas. withth flonase, allergies don't have to be scary
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player. biden decided to block djokovic from playing in a tournament. >> he should be allowed to compete now. i would run a boat from the bahamas here for him. i would do that 100%. >> david axelrod joins us. here's one stat that perhaps show as bit as to why that we show today. the cdc says now only 16% of the eligible population of the united states received the latest covid booster. so americans aren't rushing for the vaccines, even people who are pro vaccine aren't rushing for the vaccines. from a poll from all the way
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back in september and in that 65% of americans supported lifting all covid restrictions. how should the white house be responding to desantis right now? >> they need to look at this but they need to stick to the advice they're getting from their public health visors. it may be time the emergency is going to be lifted in may, according to the president, the covid emergency. it may be time to reevaluate those. but let's be clear. ron desantis was in the spring of 2021 a guy who was begging, imploring people in florida to get vaccinated, asserting the vaccines were both safe and effective. by december he was holding roundtables in florida with doctors who were questioning both the effectiveness and the safety of these vaccines because he saw this issue shift and particularly among the republican base. so, yeah, he thinks everything
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he's doing right now and he's doing it pretty effectively, he's like a heat-seeking device for these kind of cultural issues. and, you know, this is part of that. >> and, you know, i'm curious because obviously you say heat seeking missiles, for all sorts of things, social issues, pronounce, things like that. he picks them. >> yes. >> on this i'm curious whether you think he's widening the aperture. only 16% of u.s. adults have gotten the latest booster. that means a lot of people aren't into vaccines who aren't anti-vax. it's not necessarily just that base. >> i'm not sanjay gupta and you're not asking my a public health question. more people should be getting vaccinated and now 28% adults of school children saying they're
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not sure they want to get their kids vaccinated for anything. this is going to be a problem for our country in the future. but as a political matter, you're right. i think this is all tied up with a general sense of unease about the restrictions that existed during the pandemic, about whether they lasted too long. he's been pushing that as a major theme, and it's probably, as you say, it may have broader appeal than some of his other, more base oriented appeals, although this one i think will play to his base. i don't think most americans are that focused on whether jdjokovc plays in this tournament or not but the issue is broader for sure. >> absolutely. david, thank you very much. i hope everyone will catch the latest episode of david's podcast, "the ax files."
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and finally tonight, a massive embassy in the bahamas. china has now built its largest embassy in the world, and they have chosen to do so in the bahamas. why? well, i mean, we can look at where it is, right? stone's throw from the united states, 50 miles off the coast of florida and tonight some of
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america's top generals are warning about it. >> they are aggressively seeking their economic coercion in bahamas. they built the biggest embassy around the world in the bahamas. they have a very aggressive ambassador, using the information space to underminus e -- undermine us he and every day. >> it is incredible, china's big embassy in the world in the bahamas, on top of this 15,000 seat stadium also in the bahamas and host as u.s. bowl game every year. thanks so much for joining us. you can watch "outfront" any time, anywhere on cnn go. it's time now for "ac360."
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