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good evening. speaker of the house kevin mccarthy weighed in late this evening on his decision to give tucker carlson first dibs on footage from january 6th, footage that carlson used to portray the attack as something it was not. several senators criticized his decision. documents revealing that carlson's contempt for the former president for his viewers and for the facts. we'll have more on that shortly. first, though, some of what the speaker just said. >> the one thing i always want to make sure is this capitol is protected and secured. i want to make sure the officers here have everything they need to provide that. my whole role for january 6th is just to bring transparency. people can make their own decision. >> mccarthy held this press conference today following a congressional budget office report on the debt. what did he say about the january 6th security footage?

how much concern are you hearing from members of the house? members of the senate have spoken out but doesn't sound like a lot of house members are, republicans. >> a lot of house members are aligning themselves with tucker. the police chief said in a memo yesterday it was offensive, misleading, it cherry picked tucker carlson, the way it portrayed the footage of the speaker of the house. and mitch mcconnell said he was also concerned about its portrayal about what happened, how serious the violence was. when tucker carlson claimed based on this footage that he got from kevin mccarthy that it was a mostly peaceful day. that's why i asked kevin mccarthy at this press conference about whether or not he agreed with carlson's portrayal that it was a mostly peaceful day and the speaker was combative. >> the capitol chief police and

senate leader raised concerns with the footage that you gave to tucker carlson, the way he portrayed it as a mostly peaceful day. do you have concerns with that portrayal? >> you know, you asked the same question yesterday. let me walk you back through that. the capitol police chief, we went to them and asked is there any clips in the process of what you see, tell us any warnings. he only had one and we cleared it up. swalwell had put that out on the internet for the last year and a half. i'm not sure if you asked based on those about what you did on cnn. when cnn told where the leaders were taken, a secret place we can't even tell people. you can ask whatever question, but i have the right to answer your question. i'm answering his question, thank you. when cnn told the american people that we were at fort mcnair, i don't know if we can

go back there. i don't think that's even changed. but you have now told, your network, the entire world where we go. i department hear one question from your network either when you would know when subpoenas were released before anybody else. i didn't know that your network got upset when you sat in statutory hall when nobody else's networks got anything and i'm not sure your network got upset either when you had the speaker of the house daughter do a documentary filming where we are in a secure place walking through this when people weren't supposed to know. so now you're upset that we allowed somebody else just to have transparency. >> capitol police -- >> nosh, the capitol police tol us the january 6th committee never asked them. i thank you for your questions. >> i do think it important to address -- a lot of it is red

herring. his statement about speaker pelosi's daughter, was in reference to a noted documentarian. we had portions of that broadcast on cnn. capitol police saw every piece of footage we aired in order to assure it didn't raise security concerns. as for knowing subpoenas were going to be released before anybody else, we had some really good supporters who did stuff and found that out and staked out areas and saw people coming and going from courthouses. as for his comments about statutory hall, we can only guess it was a reference to interviews that jake tapper and >>. >> reporter: we're hearing more from lawmakers. dan new house of washington state told me that he is concerned about this revisionist history. i heard that from senator mitt romney who told me any effort by a news organization to try and

be portray what happened here was anything other than a violent, disgusting attack on our democracy is outrageous. but you're seeing some very close allies to kevin mccarthy take a bit of a different approach. in fact, they are planning to press ahead with their own investigation into january 6th going forward, but not about donald trump's role or about what was uncovered by the january 6th select committee in the democratic-led congress but to look at what the democratic select committee did in of itself. barry loudermilk who was part of a subcommittee, he plans to look into the january 6th committee investigators themselves and look into any holes of their investigation. it's not entirely clear what that means, anderson. that is going to be a focus. anderson, kevin mccarthy did not want to make this a focus in the new congress but by his recent moves he has. >> manu raju, thank you.

adam schiff and adam kinzinger. congressman kinzinger, tucker carlson is getting ratings and notoriety out of these. what does speaker mccarthy get where they will be forced to relit at this gate january 6th. is this all about appeasing the more extreme elements of the party. >> hey, adam sr., little inside joke. this is all about trying to win over tucker carlson, trying to win over the base. i think knowing obviously that they're going to look into this january 6th committee, they want to take hold of the narrative, take hold of the narrative themselves. look, what they're trying to do is nuts. what they're trying to do is only to appeal to 30%, to the base of the republican party. they're obviously losing the 70% who know that this was exactly what this was but i'll tell you this much knowing what i know about speaker mccarthy, he's

going to be in meetings from here out with every member showing them personally tucker carlson's phone numbers and how he's good buddies now. >> congressman shchiff, they claim the capitol police, the january 6th committee never asked them. >> as far as i know, that's just plain false. i'm not surprised we would hear another falsehood out of kevin mccarthy. in particular, i think the police chief in that two-page letter to the members of the department taking issue with how the events were being misrepresented by tucker carlson said there was no effort to get their input when that was available to them. i think mccarthy is getting a lot of flak, as he should be, for come pro mitesing the security of the capitol. compromising our escape routes. compromising where a security officer posted. giving material to someone in

tucker carlson who we see in the dominion litigation basically privately was acknowledging the truth about the election and publicly was lying about it and when others were truthful took issue and wanted to get them fired because it would hurt the profits of fox. so this is who kevin mccarthy has decided to trust this security footage with and he's done exactly what was expected, and that is misrepresented and in an effort to, as adam was saying, appease the base but also apparently meet commitments he made in order to get the speakership to the most extreme elements of his conference. >> congressman kinzinger it is extraordinary when you think about what carlson is doing, about rewriting history, and on this incredibly important day on january 6th and what happened on that day and this whole move among more extreme wings or elements in the republican party, especially in the house, to sort of make the people who

committed crimes on that day and are serving time because of that, make them into some sort of political prisoners and, you know, qanon followers as if they are some sort of heroes. >> yeah, i mean, it's nuts. it's really -- i mean, i look at this and i say, you know, what's the end game here? you know, what is it that they actually want to do? i think it's day by day. how do we win primaries? how do we make the base happy and get the bigger and bigger dopamine hit. i could take footage from world war ii and find like a little piece of that and convince somebody it was the moon landing. >> look at like vietnam, you know? there's plenty of footage of marines and soldiers at their bases, you know, hanging out in say gone, you know, in off time. i mean, you can take video of anybody in the course of a day when something is not happening

and then you can't say that the vietnam war wasn't violent and people weren't getting killed. it's ridiculous. >> it is ridiculous. look, the whole thing is he's disparaging law enforcement, too. le i mean, keep in mind, the republicans say, hey, we want january 6th to go away. it's time to move on. it's time to go forth. that's when the facts are coming out and it makes them look bad. now they're trying to rewrite the narrative for the 30%. tucker carlson disparaging law enforcement, i want to make a point, and most of these cops will say 20, 30, 40 years old. when tucker was in his 20s and 30s, this is what he was doing. he was out there wearing a bow tie talking, writing stories and he's disparaging these people that have taken an oath to defend the constitution, to defend the house, to defend the senate and defend americans. how dare him especially in light of the fact that he knows better and you can see that on the text messages. >> he's also changed -- there

was a moment when he saw the writing on the wall and he saw he needed to revamp his career. he was trying to do some stuff that, you know, he sensed in the republican party they didn't like and they followed the crowd. that is the path he is on and has become, i guess, very popular. he's doing very well, i'm sure, but it's extraordinary the way he has shifted. congressman schiff, he said in a letter to minority leader hakeem jefferies, quote, i cannot put partisan loyalty ahead of national security. is there any other way to look at what he's done with tucker carlson? >> no, there isn't. plainly in giving over surveillance video to someone who would do exactly what adam is describing, that is use it to try to rewrite history, denigrate the law enforcement that day, mccarthy knew exactly

what he was doing and it had nothing to do with the institution or interest of our democracy. it only had to do with appeasing the most extreme elements of his conference and placating the base and fundraising. that's -- that's all that kevin mccarthy is. what is most remarkable to me, anderson, is the american people saw what happened that day. you can't ignore those images and yet the power of repetition is such that, you know, people like tucker carlson who know they're lying to the public can convince tens of millions of people of those lies. i tell you, it's been really illuminating to me about other periods of history where you had other liars use a powerful megaphone and convince millions that they can't believe what they've seen. and you wonder how is that possible? now we see how that's possible. you have people who have no love of country, no patriotic fiber,

when it's just all about the money, then this is what happens. and for tucker carlson, there's many iterations. he's no different than rupert mourdock. it's all about the money and nothing matters. >> congressman schiff and senator kin sin ger, i appreciate your time. >> now we're on to dominion. details now from cnn's brynn gingras. >> reporters hate trump with an all consuming mania. they hate him so intensely that at times it's been amusing to watch. >> reporter: you can apparently count tucker carlson a among them. i hate him passionately he wrote in a text to a staff member and there really isn't an up side to trump carlson wrote in another message just two days before rioters stormed the u.s. capitol. on air carlson told his viewers something different, something very different. >> what happened today will be

used by the people taking power to justify stripping you of the rights you were born with as an american. >> reporter: all while in other text messages calling trump in the aftermath of january 6th a demonic force, a destroyer, adding he is not going to destroy us. in 2020 right after election night carlson lamented this to his viewers. >> what happened last night could not have been worse for this country, for our children, for our grandchildren, for our future. >> reporter: but messages carlson sent to his producer showed he couldn't wait for the four years to be over. we are very, very close to being able to ignore trump most nights. i truly can't wait. days after trump tweeted he'd skip president biden's inauguration carlson privately called the move destructive. on his show he focused on questioning the legitimacy of the election results. >> donald trump, 72 million voters believe this election was fundamentally unfair and they're right about that. >> reporter: carlson's thoughts on how the trump camp handled

fraud also in stark contrast to what he continued to push on air. >> the outcome of our presidential election was seized from the hands of voters, where of course it rightly belongs. >> reporter: yet the conservative host admitted privately trump needs to concede. there wasn't enough fraud to change the outcome. he's starting to do real damage to the party. that while he welcomed guests who spread election conspiracies like mike lindell, attorney rudy giuliani and sidney powell. sidney powell is lying, by the way. i caught her. it's insane, he texts to laura ingraham. carlson didn't respond to multiple requests from cnn but in the statement about the latest filing fox news accused dominion of smearing the network to, quote, twist and misattribute quotes is truly beyond the pale. >> that was brynn gingras reporting. it's hard to twist calling the

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in them dominion accuses fox to, quote, license to knowingly spread lies and claiming the lawsuit is unprecedented assault on the first amendment. with me here tonight, oliver darcy. jeffrey sonnenfeld from yale university. lee levin has represented both fox and cnn and other media companies. what are you learning, oliver, from the latest files? >> these are the last basically legal filings that we expect, last major ones, before a judge rules on motions for summary judgment, which is basically both sides, fox and dominion, are asking a judge to rule in their favor before this goes to a jury trial. as you said, fox is filing for a license to lie. fox is saying this lawsuit represents an assault on the first amendment. dominion has said fox knows the truth about what happened in the 2020 election and is saying that

if fox cared about the truth, that it now acknowledges, fox would have its top personalities reporting that truth to its audience today if not for dominion's sake, then for the sake of a significant portion of americans who still wrongly believe the 2020 election was stolen including so many of fox's loyal viewers who heard it over and over again on fox's air waves. i wouldn't hold my breath on that one. in fact, tucker carlson continues to this week to sow doubt. >> what are you making of what fox hosts were saying in private from what they were saying on the air? from a legal standpoint, does that matter? >> it matters with respect to carlson and with respect to hannity because their shows are among those that are being challenged in the lawsuit. so their state of mind with respect to truth or falsity

attic times, for instance when mike lindell came on carlson's show, is definitely relevant. with respect to others like laura ingraham who has had none of her programs sued about, it's less relevant. >> and, professor sonnenfeld, i want to get your thought about what rupert mourdock thought about. do you believe dominion was engaged in a massive effort to steal the 2020 election? he says no. in your opinion, professor, what kind of jeopardy towsdoes that the fox parent company up to? >> i think enormous jeopardy. we have three anchors and a big problem with the bort of directors, four or five members of the board, have already especially rupert murdoch has

his own monster he can't control. he doesn't believe what they're saying. both he, lockland murdoch and of all blood curdling things, william burke, the ceo, the managing partner of a major law firm on that board did nothing to show the minimum care -- duty of care, duty of loyalty to the 60% of owners that they're allowing them to destroy this brand by putting out false news and putting them in jeopardy. what this shows as it continues even tonight putting out false information that there's no contrition. so in addition to, you know, leave it to lee as to whether or not this is a slam dunk case, as az non-lawyer, i don't see how they lose this case at 1.6 billion but the punitives because they're continuing putting out what they know to be false have to be sky high not to mention the derivative lawsuit

from the 60% shareholders that have seen the value destruction. this is way worse than pulitzer and herst by misstating who sunk the main. we have a precedent and this is the new precedent. >> when fox says this is a strike against the first amendment, what do you make of that argument as somebody who fights for the first amendment? is. >> i'm not persuaded by it. if anything, i think it's quite the opposite. it shows that in a democracy we value truth and we like to give wide berth to speakers so that so long as they're operating in good faith, if they happen to inadvertently or even negligently publish a falsehood, they're still protected by the first amendment. what the first amendment does not protect is the deliberate falsehood, the knowing lie. if a plaintiff, like dominion, can prove that fox deliberately

lied or deliberately broadcast things that it knew to be probably false and it can prove that by clear and convincing evidence, then that speech is not protected by the first amendment, and that is well settled law. >> lee, the fact that dominion was very early on and repeatedly sending emails to every producer, every on air person, executives at fox news with facts counterbalancing what they were actually reporting on the air, how significant is that? >> it's enormously significant. i was struck by reading -- in reading the filings today, that the kinds of proof that plaintiffs typically rely on in usually opposing a summary judgment motion brought by a media entity like fox, the circumstantial evidence that shows that there was actual

malm ma malice. in this brief it begins on page 75 of an 86 page brief. the prior 75 pages talks about things that are unique to this case. the kinds of evidence of actual malice including the fact that fox was put on notice by dominion for weeks at a time, virtually every day, with information sheets showing that what had just gone on their air was false. often when fox would rebroadcast the same programs later in the day. that kind of stuff you don't usually see in defamation cases, and there's such a wealth of it in this case that it almost takes your breath away. >> yeah. thank you so much. appreciate it. up next, department of justice finds explicit bias in a pattern of treatment in a

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the department of justice today released a scathing 86 page report on the louisville metro police department. the report was prompted by the 2020 fatal shooting of brianna taylor using a no knock warrant. the two-year investigation found a long list of problems and an

aggressive style of policing against black people and included some officers who called black people monkeys, animal and boy. also the department has unlawfully executed search warrants. brianna taylor's mother calls today's report heartbreaking and it's an indicator her death is not in vein. we have an investigation into another city in the shooting of an unarmed black man. cnn's ryan young has that. what more can you tell us? >> anderson, sometimes when you go to the cities after the shootings people start standing up to give you information. there was some police officer on the shreveport police department that told us we should look into our personnel file for alexander tyler. they said we should look into this because there are members of the community upset he's still on the force. >> shreveport police, what's your emergency. >> reporter: just before 11 p.m. on february 3rd, a 911 domestic call turns into a deadly foot

chase. officer alexander tyler runs after 43-year-old alonzo bagley after he jumped from a third floor balcony. >> he went that way. >> reporter: about five seconds later. >> oh, no. oh, god. you shot me. no. the. >> shots fired. shots fired. >> reporter: for the next two minutes the officer plead with mr. bagley to stay breathing. >> stay with me. >> he stops breathing dying a short time later at the hospital. louisiana state police took over the investigation into the shooting and recommended involuntary homicide charges against tyler who fired the shot. the 23-year-old is currently out on bond and paid administrative leave from the department. in early february cnn asked the shreveport police chief wayne smith if officer tyler had prior disciplinary issues. >> disciplinary wise i would not say he has been a disciplinary issue, at least not to the point

where things would rise on our radar. >> reporter: but the officer's personnel file tells a different story. cnn obtained more than 450 pages as well as nine videos and four audio files of officer tyler's employment record with the shreveport police department through an open records request. in that one letter of commendation in april of 2022 but in just 21 months on the job officer tyler has already served 30 days of suspension and previously faced three disciplinary events. >> do you think officer tyler should still be on the police force? >> absolutely not. officer tyler should not have been on the police force the day he killed our client, alonzo bagley. i think we've seen an officer that has an intentional reckless behavior. >> reporter: among those disciplinary events. >> get on the ground. don't move. arms out. >> reporter: in march 2022 a woman complained that tyler and six officers illegally detained

minors and questioned them without adults present also while searching a house without a warrant. shreveport cleared tyler and the other officers of wrongdoing in that case. in july 2022 shreveport police internal affairs wanted to know more about this video showing tyler's patrol car exceeding speeds of 130 miles per hour. tyler said he tried pulling over a car for a modified exhaust, a minor traffic violation. the personnel file notes he did not have a description of the suspects and tyler didn't know what he was chasing. as part of the department's investigation into tyler's handling of the incident he was interviewed by internal affairs. >> so it was basically a smooth pursuit, it was just excessive -- a little excessive -- >> way too fast, yes. >> reporter: the department found tyler violated department policy during that pursuit and then there's this. one month after the pursuit investigators say officers were racing each other for fun when this happened. >> you into he had to get over

here pretty quick, sarge. >> you can see a bloody, groggy officer tyler being helped from his patrol car. he lays flat. another officer comes over to help him. according to investigators, officer tyler was driving his patrol car at 60 miles per hour in a 35 mile per hour zone. he hit a car head on. two passengers and tyler had to be taken to the officer. he and two other officers misused their radar guns while racing down the road, an accusation they all denied to internal affairs. tyler was suspended for 15 days. his attorney doesn't believe these past incidents should have any impact on the present case. >> it's an unfortunate situation for the bagley family. it's an unfortunate situation for officer tyler. an unfortunate situation for the city of shreveport and others. >> city activists and the bagley attorney family believe more oversight is needed to keep eyes

on this small police department amid violent crime concerns. >> they absolutely have dropped the ball as it relates to discipline and tried to curtail this behavior. >> ryan, i understand you have details showing that mr. bagley, who was shot and killed, had a prior incident with the police? >> yeah. that's something that we've been talking to people in this community about. mr. bagley apparently was under arrest for something else when he was hit for several times. he sued the police department and settled with the city of shreveport. some people we were talking to were telling us they believe this police department needs to be looked into because they're worried that some of these officers are not facing enough discipline. anderson, i want to highlight this fact here. it was other police officers who talked to me while i was in that town who said that we needed to do this open records request because they were concerned that everything they've seen in this file needed to be exposed to the public. >> appreciate it. thanks. really incredible and frankly kind of creepy report from our

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so deep fake technology is incredible. it's brought us life look versions of tom cruise doing coin tricks. it can be amusing and funny. it can be creepy and dark as doney o'sullivan. the the technology has been turned against women to make revenge porn and national security posed by deep fakes. today he says ai can fake our own voices, including my own. >> hello. >> hi, mom. >> hi, honey. how are you? >> does my voice sound different to you. >> yeah, i said that. doney sounds american. >> this is not actually me. this is a voice made by computer. >> you're serious? >> yeah, mom. sorry. there's been an explosion in fake audio and voices being generated through artificial

intelligence technology. >> this is an ai cloned version of leonardo dicaprio's voice. >> you can make it seem like they have said just about anything. even -- >> anderson cooper. we've come here to u.c. berkeley to talk to hannie fareed about just how easy it is to put words into other people's mouths. >> it's a lot of fun. >> sure. >> but it's also really scary. >> i think once you put aside that gee whiz factor, i don't think it takes a long time to look at the risks. >> this is wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room." >> that's good. >> that sounds pretty good. >> by uploading a few minutes of me and some of my colleagues to an ai audio service, i was able to create convincing fakes including this. >> donie o'sullivan is a real piece of [ bleep ]. >> that's ai. >> is it really? >> yeah. >> anderson's really good.

anderson doesn't have a stupid irish accent. >> the technology did struggle with my irish accent. we decided to put it to the ultimate test with my parents. >> i am about to try to call my mom back in ireland and see if i can trick her with this voice. >> yeah. >> think i'm going to be successful? >> i'm nervous. my hands are. >> hello. >> my, mum. >> hi, donie. how are you? >> just finished shooting our story here. i'm going to the airport in a while. >> there seems to be a delay in the phone, donie. >> can i say a quick hello to dad? >> yeah. >> hi, donie. >> hi, dad. >> how are you, lad? >> how are you? >> what are you doing? >> just finished shooting our story here. i'm going to the airport in a while. >> oh, you're going back?

>> playing this weekend? >> my dad went on to have a conversation with the aidonie and eventually i had to come clean. >> dad, i'll give you a call better later on. >> my parents knew something was off but ultimately they still fell for it. >> it was like your voice was a little tone lower and it felt very mysterious. my heart was hopping first. >> sorry. >> your voice was very funny. very funny. >> all right. donie -- >> i'll call you later, dad. >> bye. >> is this not classic? something's wrong with my son. the dad's like, everything's fine. >> i'd like to close out today's ceremony with a question. if you were given a choice, would you choose to have unlimited bacon but no more video games? >> with fake biden and trump

recordings going viral online, fareed said this could be something to be weary of going into the 2024 election. >> when we enter this world where any image, any audio, any image, any piece of text can be real, anybody can defy reality. >> he says companies developing this powerful technology need to think of the potential negative effects. >> there is no online and offline world. there's one world. when things happen they have implications for communities, societies and democracies. i don't think we as a field have fully come to grips with our responsibilities here. >> in the meantime, i'll continue annoying my colleagues. >> here's this thing anderson said. >> i have to say this. >> donie o'sullivan is incredible. >> you should be honored. >> i would never say that.

the no, you are. so this is fascinating to me. it's amazing. it's funny. it is also scary. as you point out in that piece, you could take somebody's voice, call their -- your mom and, you know, have some scam against her saying you were in trouble and needed to wire money immediately. >> yeah. my parents are never going to believe. >> they are so sweet. >> is this really donie? look, we had a bit of fun with it there. this technology is so crazy powerful to create the deep fake of you, we only needed a minute or two of audio. >> that's incredible. >> you could start typing putting words in your mouth. >> yeah. >> obviously as we go into the 2024 election, think about the role audio has played. the romney tape. the percentage, even kind of the watergate tapes. all of that sort of stuff as well as the kind of scams tricking people, voices that i report where they were able to break into a bank account.

>> i can give it from the perspective of somebody who has died and the loved one who wants to hear their loved one's voice and commune with them. that's the potential in the future. >> that would be easy to do now. as well as with chatgpt, you could mimic what they would say. >> donie o'sullivan, scary incidents like this on united airline and series of collisions. we asked harry enton to come and show us if there's reason to be concerned. we'll be right back. ome challens like a lot of businesses did. i heard about the payroll tax refund, it allowed us to keep the amount of people that we needed and the people that have been here taking care of us. see if your business may qualify. go to getrefunds.com.

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the united airlines passenger arrested for threatening to stab a flight attendant in the neck was one of several scary moments aboard a in it in the last week. >> they're going to have to shoot me down today. remember that. >> where are they diverting us? there will be a blood bath. i won't kill you. just put up your hands and say don't kill me. don't approach me.

>> that is a nightmare. the 33-year-old man is accused of trying to open the emergency door mid flight. also this week a southwest flight out have havana had to return because of a bird strike that caused an explosion. also a collision between two small planes in florida and two people died. then the tarmac collision between two united airlines planes. try it wing of one plane struck the tail of another. in connecticut, one person aboard a private jet died. after six near recent collisions, the system is under stress. joining to us make sense of the numbers to see if there's a trend here, our reporter joins us. >> so look. the faa is essentially the official day goes through the end of january. but we know there were three of these quote, unquote near collisions. the potential for an accident. look at the trend. how many of those near accidents

occurred per month? 0.4. so we're looking at something between about eight and nine times the normal number and of course, in february, and in march, we've had three or four more that haven't been graded yet by the fast but the trend line seems to be continuing. >> is that just based on the month of january? >> it also seems like a trend line on the month of february. if we just said january, i wouldn't be sitting here with you. based upon february, it looks like a continuation of the trend that started in january. >> what about turbulence? >> yeah. so turbulence, we've had some scary stuff that has been going on. the data on that is a little trickier to understand. we have tracked it from 2009 to 2021 on commercial airlines and we know that the quote, unquote serious injuries were about 2.3 per year. 2.3 per year. then look at december of 2022. 11 serious injuries on just one hawaiian flight. and then in march 2023, we had seven hospitalizations on just

one lufthansa flight. so we're running well ahead of the sort of normal average we would be expecting per year in just one incident in december and potentially another one in march. though those were hospitalizations. not necessarily serious injuries. >> also, those were on one flight. >> this is one flight in which you have 11 serious injuries, versus 2.3 per year. so we're talking about one flight covering, what is that? more than five times, or four times the amount that you see in a year. >> on the close calls, why would there be more close calls in january and maybe -- >> yeah, i think there are two things going on. number one, we're seeing a lot more air travel than we're used. to we had the covid pandemic. airlines weren't out and about as much. if you look at the number of airline passengers that we're seeing, we're basically back to prepandemic levels. so that's one thing going on. the second thing is we have a lot of new pilots who aren't necessarily trained on these busy runways that we used to see, especially prepandemic.

>> and opportunity ruly passenger incidents. >> so there is the one bit of good news. i feel like i've been doom and gloom, not my natural state of being but the numbers are the numbers. >> really? >> who knew? i like to be over. i can't i have good news. we have not had a single fatality. not a single airline fatality on a commercial flight since 2020. more than that, the number of unruly passengers, we've actually had a below average number. so there are these incidents that are scary but the numbers show we're pretty much in line if not below line. . >> that's good. i appreciate it. we'll be right back.

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