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>> translator: we will have our victory. >> reporter: volodymyr zelenskyy in an exclusive interview with cnn on the battle for it. republican scepticism about spending more. >> i said no blank checks. >> reporter: what president biden told him in the war zone. and his plea for american war planes. >> are u.s. fighter jets the weapon that will make or break a ukrainian victory? >> a cnn prime time special. the interview starts right now . >> good evening.

i'm wolf blitzer. at this very moment, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy and his country are facing a critical time in the invasion. now in its second year. for the first time in eight months, the russians could, could be on the cusp of capturing a ukrainian city, bakhumt. the sight of the bloodiest battle of the war. a warning that bakhmut may fall in the coming days. ukrainian's military claims to be holding off putin's army around the city saying they killed more than 100 russian soldiers in a 24-hour period. they also acknowledge the russians are still advancing and advancing fast. we're live in ukraine's capital where report thor is standing by. president zelenskyy said if the russians gain control of bakhmut, it could change the direction of the entire war.

here's part one of my interview. >> mr. president, thank you for joining us at this crucial moment in your country's history. i want the start with the battle for bakhmut. ukraine has put up a tremendous fight and inflicted massive losses on the russian side. in recent days, russian forces have made some critical gains there. why have you decided not to withdraw from bakhmut? >> translator: firstly, thank you. and all your audience for this opportunity to talk to you. informational support is extremely important to us, and the informational support is no less important than the support with battles. that's why thank you again. as for the bakhmut situation, we understand what russia wants to achieve there. russia needs some victory, a small victory, even by ruining

everything in bakhmut. just killing every civilian there. they need to put that little flag on top of there to show that society. it's not a victory for them. it is more like, you know, support to mobilize that society. in order to create this idea of such a powerful army. for us it is different. this is tactical for us. we understand after bakhmut, they could go further. it would be an open road for the russians after bakhmut to other towns in ukraine. in the donetsk direction. that's why our guys are standing there. >> as you know, mr. president,

some of your own ukrainian commanders have questioned holding on to bakhmut as their forces are suffering very heavy casualties right now. amid worries that could hurt ukraine's ability to launch a spring offensive. what do you say to those commanders? >> translator: firstly, it is not related to the artificial position of the commanders. that's why we are having the meetings of the chief of staff when everyone is talking openly about things which are basically close to everyone else. so we are waiting for the information to come in. the more than 20 people are present at this meeting from the intelligence services and security services, we have the national guards, commanders, and every single commander. that's why i never heard anything like that from any of the commanders. how can i treat this? it means someone has his own opinions.

but it does look like a fake. and created in the russian federation that the troops should be repeating. >> how much do you believe that the battle for bakhmut has actually weakened putin's forces? how many men has he lost in this fight for bakhmut? >> we know every night who has been lost there. we're treating it very seriously. we lost at times less than russia lost there. they're not, they don't care about their people. they just throw them under the bullets and we are standing strong. we have a defensive mission there. very much in different directions. russia is trying to attack. >> as you know, mr. president, a very disturbing video has emerged in recent days, appearing to slow the execution

of a ukrainian prisoner of war by the russians. this soldier has now been identified. he was fighting, as you know, near bakhmut. i want to warn our viewers right now. we'll play a little clip. this is graphic. watch this. his last words were, glory to ukraine. what goes through your mind, manage president, watching that truly horrific execution of one of your soldiers? >> translator: this is the show of the russian attitude toward p.o.w.s. they don't have any laws of war or international law of any conventions. it's a question that these

people, they don't respect anything. they don't fight like soldiers. for us, it's war for our freedom. for democracy. for our values for them. it's terrorism. that's the attitude. and they post these videos. they just killed a guy who refused to surrender. he said glory to ukraine. that's what you got. this is the face of the war. this is the face of the russian federation. >> the white house expects russia will aim to go on the offensive, the military offensive on multiple fronts this spring. what are you preparing for, mr. president? do you anticipate russia will attack on multiple fronts in the donbas? or does putin have broader ambitions across ukraine? >> translator: intelligence works every day with our partners, the u.s., the u.k., european countries. we constantly exchange information.

we don't have any secrets from each other. we are on the same side of information and we think in the donbas direction that russia started the offensive. this is offensive. this is what it looked like, a slow aggression. they don't have enough strength and forces. on the other hand, we see the concentration of force by russians. we are ready for this. we are getting ready for this. and we are getting the information from our partners. we understand we have to be ready for everything and we have to concentrate strength and forces and new weaponry from our partners to conduct the operation. >> a lot more to come from volodymyr zelenskyy. first we go to alex marquardt. you've spent considerable time on the front lines around

bakhmut. where does it stand right now? >> reporter: it is extraordinary, extraordinarily fierce fighting. it has been for months now. i was speaking with a senior pentagon official who said it is very impressive, how the ukrainians are holding their ground. they're making the russians fight for every inch. where the ukrainians have to withdraw, they're doing it in a smart way. the ukrainians are holding on for now. the russians are making a significant push. they have made some gains. as you know, the russian forces have been led by those mercenaries, largely, the contractors, mercenary contractors and convicts who died by the thousands. they have made some gains trying to encircle the city. particularly lately in the north of the city as they try to cut off the main supply route that ukraine uses to resupply its troops. we have seen the forces pushing east of the city quite significantly. we saw the forces replacing the ukrainian flag on the tank with

their own flag. we saw the head of it in the eastern part of the city. but he also is complaining about the lack of support from the russian military. wolf, the ukrainian military has done a very good job at degrading russia's military forces there. we've seen them having to use their elite forces in this fight, backed up by russian airborne forces. so this is not just the cannon fodder that they've been accused of using before. there have been lots have questions why president zelenskyy keeps committing to this fight. the many analysts believe it is not very strategic. what president zelenskyy has shown is that the ukrainian forces are very much degrading and weakening the russian troops there. if they were to take bakhmut, they wouldn't make much progress going further west from there. a lot of analysts and officials disagree with president zelenskyy that it would be an open road for russia if russia were to take bakhmut. it's not very easy to move west

or north from bakhmut. they would be in a very weakened state. at the same time, because so many thousands of men have lost their lives, and this fight has been going on so many months. if russia did take bakhmut, it would be a significant symbolic victory for them. >> stay safe over there. thank you. we'll have much more of our exclusive interview with president zelenskyy in just a moment, including the disagreement with the biden administration over sending u.s. fighter jets to ukraine. and we'll ask the white house directly where that effort stands. that's next. plus, what president biden told president zelenskyy during that dramatic trip to the war zone. ♪ experience the elevation of electrification at the invitation to lexus sales event. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze iftin' on... ♪

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>> translator: the fighter jets issue is difficult. we are waiting for this decision to be taken. the fighter jets supply, it is a part of the defense of our infrastructure, energy supplies, other strategic supplies because it is a part of the air defense. that's what it is. and we don't have the fighter jets to deal with it. to counteract the russian hits. and we really need this. and we really appeal to the president that they could start training ukrainian pilots. and president biden told me that it will be worked upon. and i believe that the united states will give us the opportunity to defend our skies. this is the thing, the u.k. is helping and a number of european

countries. >> are western fighter jets, u.s. fighter jets, other western fighter jets, the weapon that will make or break a ukrainian victory? >> translator: yes. in this war, there were several pages. there were artillery supplies, 155, and the next page, supplies, and another page, air defense systems for ukraine being sent in order to preserve the ukrainian infrastructure and energy supplies. and fighter jets are part of this structure. and we also had a page on the tanks. as soon as we started opening this page, the tanks will be supplied to ukraine. >> i want to clarify, did president biden tell you that

fighter jets to ukraine are still possible? >> translator: we spoke about fighter jets and you make your own assumptions. president biden has his position from his advice, and a military direction, that what ukraine doesn't need at the moment and jets according to that, were not needed. and i said no, we need those jets. it is a clear sign of a part of our air defense, to defend our infrastructure. we can't receive 20, 30 air defense systems for ukraine because it is a long process to receive those systems of ukraine. we don't have that and we won't get it in one or two years because this manufacturing is a long process. what fighter jets can do, they

could help us to defend ourselves. that's why we need it urgently. and i explained it to president biden and i said, let's just start the training mission. and i have the confirmation from the polish and the u.k. side that they would go ahead with the training mission tomorrow. the coalition of the fighter jets for different countries. they want to have the u.s. decision. that's why a lot depends on the u.s. here. because we are talking about a training mission and the supply of fighter jets by other countries. they wait for the united states' decision. that's what i said to president biden. i said, okay, let work on it. so the ball was in the court of the u.s. president. so we expect what will be decided soon.

>> what was it like, mr. president, to have president biden on the ground with you in kyiv for the first time since the war began as those air raid sirens were blaring around you? >> translator: we are not afraid of sirens, to be honest. we learn to live with them. we worked with the president. we left the presidential palace and we went outside. and we had a look at the memory wall of remembrance of our fallen heroes. and i am happy about the sirens that president biden and his team, so we paid our respect to the fallen heroes despite the sirens. and it really supported me from the inside. it was such a cool signal. and the respect to the

president, to the united states. we show that we're not afraid of the sirens. we're not afraid of russia. we want to pay our respects to someone who gave their lives to freedom and democracy all over the world. not just one person who went crazy and tried to scare the world with some missile attack. this visit as a whole was very symbolic and very motivating. >> what did it mean to your country, to ukraine, the people in ukraine, to have the president of the united states there walking on the streets with you? >> translator: it is calm, protection, confidence, the full protection, calm. none of us will get to the end of the world. war is our piece and nothing

nice about it. but the signals, the feelings of the u.s. president in kyiv. they went to such a different level. we have this feeling that we are not alone. there is a feeling that america is with you. and other partners, and that shows. that, of course, we will prevail. >> so the big question right now, mr. president biden change course and send fighter jets to ukraine? joining us now, the white house national security spokesman, john kirby. thank you for joining us. why are ukrainian pilots actually training with 162nd fighter wing if president biden's answer on f-16s remains no, at left ast for now. >> this isn't really training. they're in tucson, arizona. the main thing we're trying to do is assess their ability to

use some of the u.s. weapons systems on their fighter jets. on their migs. in particular, some precision-guided munitions so they can be more precise in their targeting. we're trying to assess with a small number, too, how they can execute the delivery of those weapons off their jets. that's what's going on right now. >> president zelenskyy said these fighter jets are a make or break for ukrainian victory. but the u.s. secretary of defense told the house armed services committee it would take some 18 months to train ukrainian pilots to fly these f-16s. what option does the u.s. have for bridging that logistical divide? >> what we're focused on now is the kind of fighting that we expect the ukrainians will be doing in the weeks and months ahead as the weather improves. and this is based on their assessment of the fighting

they'll be doing in the weeks and months ahead. we're focusing on armor, ammunition, and air defense. and i saw that the interview with you and president zelenskyy. he talked about air defense. the air defense systems they have, they're using it quite effectively. in this year of war, the russians have not achieved anything near or approaching air superiority over the skies of ukraine because so many of us, our allies and partners, have helped provide competent and capable air defense capabilities and the training that goes along with that. >> what is the white house's assessment now of how long ukrainian forces can actually hold that city of bakhmut? >> well, we obviously want them to hold it and completely take it back from the wagner and russian military forces trying to take it from them. they've been fighting very, very bravely. it is vicious, very, very close

combat. both sides have been slugging it out. the russians have just poured manpower into this. sometimes ill-trained, ill-equipped, mostly convicts, majority convicts that they've taken out of prisons to fight over this town of back matt. and it is clear to us that what is driving this is the greed. there is a mine there in bakhmut and we think he's the reason why bakhmut has become such a fate for russia. >> what is the administration's assessment right now, this is related, of ukraine's ability the retake crimea? >> that will be up to president zelenskyy. he needs to determine, a, what he wants to do come spring and where he wants to go, and how many forces he will apply to that effort. we'll certainly provide information and vais and that

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last year congress approved $113 billion in military economic aid to ukraine. but future funding is in doubt with republicans controlling the house of representatives and no end in sight to the war. my exclusive interview continues now with ukrainian president

volodymyr zelenskyy. >> the house speaker, kevin mccarthy, is here in washington. kevin mccarthy said he supports ukraine but doesn't support what he calls a blank check. a blank check for ukraine. that criticism is being echoed by former president trump and florida governor ron desantis. possible leading contenders for the republican presidential nomination. how worried, are you, president zelenskyy, how worried are you about this trend among some republican that's could threaten the flow of support for ukraine? >> translator: i would like to thank the bipartisan support of ukraine and it is very important, of course. there is internal policy in the u.s. and foreign policy, and i would like the thank the united states. the foreign policy, there is a unified position to support

ukraine. and i will say, for instance, here, there are republicans and democrats visiting ukraine sometimes in a joint group, sometimes in second groups. everyone supports us. recently i had a meeting with a member of the republican party and i'm thankful to the congressman who visited ukraine. they told me they want to port ukraine very much like the democrats. we have a different approach. we want to give more and now. but not dragging it forever. that was their signal. i told them openly that it doesn't matter. please understand, we are fighting. we are not inventing things. it is very important that you come and see it with your own eyes. we really ask you -- we are

following all this. obviously on different levels. we have mistakes. we are trying to rectify it all. we are very open about this. we know that without the u.s. support, it will be very difficult for us. speaker mccarthy, he's probably right on some point but i'm very grateful for his position. i met him in congress and he supports us and it is absolutely true. the only thing that he never visited kyiv or ukraine. and i think it would help him with his position. i'm not trying to influence his position. he is a free person and he can have any position he chooses moreover. occupying a certain level that he represents his electorate. i want to say that it is very

important when someone comes here and sees his own eyes the consequences of war and sees how everything works. but when you come to us, when the democrats and republicans come to us, they see the supply routes. every shell, every bullet, every dollar, and everyone sees that. that is very important. it changes the point of view. you stop believing in all these rumors or whatever, the russian federation spreading. everyone who was here who had free access to everything, what we're doing, the logistical process, everyone was saying, we do not have any questions to you. that's why mccarthy to ukraine, visit here. it is an extremely important

signal to ukraine. when he came, he realized, people, not only the people in ukraine support him. people in the u.s. support him and people are grateful for that. and with this visit he gives people motivation. it is very important. and to mr. mccarthy, he has to come to see how we work. what is happening here. what war caused us, which people are fighting, who fighting now, and then after that, make your assumptions, or he is an independent person. please, yeah. let's do that. >> another related military issue, mr. president. so far the u.s. has ruled out your longstanding request for these longer range missiles over concerns they would be used by ukraine to target deep inside

russia. can you assure american official that they won't launch attacks using american-provided weapons on russian soil? traps i was saying, we're not interested. what russia did. we never tried or break anyone's sovereignty. even such a huge aggressor as russian federation. that long-range very much like munition and with thatory we need that our people stop dying. we cannot just, you know, cross at the moment and they are shooting and they keep shelling and we don't have the weaponry to reach them.

the long-range weapons, u.s. manufactured or any european partners manufactured. we need only to protect our peaceful civilian population. if we can push russians even further with these long-range missiles or artillery, they will not threaten us any longer. this is the main task for this type of long-range weapons. >> house speaker mccarthy has now responded to visit kyiv. manu raju joins us. what did he tell you? >> he rejected that call to go to kyiv. he in his view said there should be no blank check to ukraine. he has been saying that for some time, that he will not simply allow money to be approved by to ukraine and this comes unless there is some scrutiny to it, this comes as the voices with

his own conference of the republican side have grown louder and more opponents to approving aid to ukraine. when i asked mccarthy about what he said, mccarthy pushed back. >> let's be very clear when i said no blank checks. so from that perspective, i don't have to go to ukraine to understand whether it is a blank check or not. i don't have to go to ukraine and kyiv to see it. my point has been, i don't want a blank check for anything. >> it is a bit unclear about what he mean about no blank check. congress has approved the past aid to ukraine. there is a process that goes back and forth between congress and the executive branch, the white house. what exactly aid is needed for ukraine. the defense department comes and gives classified briefings so

members can understand exactly what money is needed and where it is going. nevertheless, a sign of the challenges ahead and the new power dynamic on capitol hill with speaker mccarthy indicating here, no blank check and he has no plans to visit kyiv despite president zelenskyy's offer. >> invitation. right. thank you. up on capitol hill. would president zelenskyy ever speak directly with vladimir putin to end this war? when does he predict ukraine finally might be able to secure its freedom? we'll be back with more after this. i'm christine mahon. i'm retired from public health nursing and from the army reserve. my renjoy what i love to do. to

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do you expect china to take that step? >> translator: i would like to have all the countries support the end of the war on the side of all other security directions which we have a lack of. we are interested to have china on the side of the nuclear safety and security. the u.s. doesn't have much in common with china. we understand that. and how the u.s. will be living with china. it is a matter between the u.s. and china. but when the war starts in the european continent, which is happening today in ukraine, we have to be interested in limiting this war and ending this war. that's why this factor should

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today, we don't have any circumstances to talk to the russian federation president because he doesn't hold his word. we don't have any confidence in him. and he killed thousands of people. in order to discuss a resolution of war as a whole and configuration of this diplomatic decision, not military but diplomatic position, in order to do that, russia should leave our territory. after that, we have to join the diplomatic tools. we couldn't find any format with our partners just after that. >> so what does the end game, mr. president, look like? how do you define victory in this war? >> we will have our victory. i think that victory will end up

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amid all the pressures that come with leading a country at war, ukraine's president also has the important job of father, raising an 18-year-old and a 10-year-old. and that's where we go next in our explosive interview with volodymr zelenskyy. the last time you and i spoke, mr. president, you shared with me that your son and daughter have had to grow up quickly because of this horrific war. how are you and your family doing now? what do you tell your children? >> translator: thank you for your -- thank you for mentioning the children because it's because of them we are fighting. my daughter joined the university and she studies there

and my son is attending the school in ukraine. they are both in ukraine, very much like other ukrainian kids. we live with sirens. today a different situation. we got used to it. we want victory. we don't want to get used to war. but we got used to the challenges. everyone wants one thing, to end the war. very importantly, with a victory. nobody trusts russia anymore, and probably the next generation won't be trusting russia. this is true. they grow up and they don't need to get told anything. all our children in ukraine, they are grown-ups, but with children faces. but they are very grown up. they understand everything. they are sure in everything. they are not mediators in this war. they only support victory for ukraine.

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i'm allison cammarata. welcome to "cnn tonight." we are learning more about what happened to the four americans attacked and kidnapped in mexico. latavia washington mcgee, the woman traveling for the medical procedure survived. her friend eric williams was shot in the legs three times and remains in a texas hospital tonight. there are two other friends,