i'm allison cammarata. welcome to "cnn tonight." we are learning more about what happened to the four americans attacked and kidnapped in mexico. latavia washington mcgee, the woman traveling for the medical procedure survived. her friend eric williams was shot in the legs three times and remains in a texas hospital tonight. there are two other friends, zindell brown and shaeed woodard

were killed. i will talk to an expert on border culture and he will share his research about the violent drug cartels at the border. where did covid-19 come from? the former head of the cdc says he was left out of conversations with dr. fauci and other scientists after he expressed support for the wuhan lab leak theory. and a scathing report on the louisville, kentucky, police department after an investigation following that botched raid that killed breonna taylor. the doj says the police used excessive force and practiced an aggressive style of policing against black people. more ahead. let's bring in the panel. we are here with law enforcement guru john miller, famously fearful flyer, molly, the man my mom misses when he is not on the panel, lz and former trump white house director and star of "the view" alyssa and joining us from austin to talk about what's going on at the border is professor ricardo ainsley of the

university of texas at austin. we will be with you momentarily, professor. john tell us what your reporting has found about the ongoing crime story of the americans who were ambushed. >> they are in the stage now of kind of trying to organize three things. number one, which is the handling of the two living victims and the two dead victims, the autopsies are complete. those bodies are coming back. the two living victims, the fbi has a very well developed process for victim witness assistance which involves treatment for trauma, the ability to question them with trauma informed kind of interview tactics. they need to know what they know, how many people did you see, how many times were you moved, what did you see along the way between places you were taken to, were there radios, phones. they are going to have to go through that. they realize these people have been through a lot. so that takes time. that's one. two, they have got to deal with the mexican government about how are we doing this together, you

know, the fbi's role is to provide support and intelligence but are we going to bring the perpetrators here and prosecute them for crimes against americans or prosecuted in mexico. who has the lead on that. and -- >> what's the answer to that? >> the answer to that is a discussion. right now you have got the fbi who is all in and the mexican government who has a complicated thing here. you have a president who would like the story to go away. you have a tourist industry they are trying to get going again. you have a cartel that controls that area that realizes they made a mistake and, you know, they want to back out of this. and you have the whole rest of the scene with federal law enforcement and the department of justice saying that's all great, but we need to get these guys. >> obviously, it's complicated. professor ainsley, i know you have done research in that area. so tell us about the border area and that particular area between brownsville, texas, and not

morose where they were killed and does the drug cartels, plural, have free rein there? >> thank you for having me on. yes. i think that's one of the most problematic states in mexico and has been for quite a long time now. there has been a tremendous amount of cartel inspired violence. it's also moved from being primarily about moving drugs to other kinds of ancillary crime that's become part of their business model for some time now, including kidnappings, extortions, so on. it's a very violent part of mexico. >> when you say the kidnappings are part of their business model, kidnapping americans or kidnapping anyone? and then what? they just hold them for ransom but don't kill them? >> well, you know, historically, americans have been -- i mean, there are exceptions, but

historically americans have not been the target of these drug cartels, criminal organizations. primarily because of what is happening now. the activation of the american law enforcement, of the u.s./mexico relations, that is something that the cartels have sought to avoid. so that pandora's box has been opened with this case. and so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. but, no, historically americans have not been prime targets. the kidnappings are often short-term things where people are held for periods of time and then released if there is a ransom paid. but oftentimes the ransoms are paid and they keep holding them, subsequent ransoms are paid, sometimes they get their family members and loved ones back and sometimes they don't. >> one more question before we

bring in the rest of the panel. are these drug cartels manufacturing fentanyl, taking fentanyl from china, are they loading it into the tractor-trailers that we hear about to go through the checkpoints into the u.s. and are there other u.s. drug cartels or organized crime rings picking it up there and distributing it? do you know how that's working? >> yes. well, historically, these drug cartels are very nimble, they are very entrepreneurial and creative. so whatever drug is selling on this side of the border, they figure out a way of getting involved in that. it used to be crystal meth and they started manufacturing that in mexico and shipping it across. so, and the mexican government sometimes tracks the chemicals that are needed to manufacture some of these drugs and often they are coming in on the pacific coast from places like china and so on, and then the

organized crime groups get the necessary elements and start manufacturing these drugs and finding many different ways of getting them across our border. >> alyssa, i want to turn to you now. what should the white house be doing if this situation? >> first and foremost, reiterating the existing travel advisory not go to this area of mexico. obviously, these individuals were not aware when they went there. these are things that have to be heeded. they need to get ahead. this would seem like something that needs to be tried in the states. these are americans, even though this is a close ally, we work closely with president observe dor. these people need to be brought to justice in the united states. and i think it's a moment, we so often immigration, border security becomes a politically fraught issue where everybody goes to their political corner. >> this is a good remind they are is our close ally of our southern border but there are entire communities in mexico run

by cartels . so we need to be aware of the dangers that exist and what we can do in alliance with the mexican government to combat them. >> it's so tragic to think about this woman who is going with her three childhood friends across the border to get a, i think, elective medical procedure of some kind, and then this happens. >> the world is a dangerous place. and i don't want to oversimplify this, but you are absolutely right. we have to remember that as the economic gap between citizens around the world continues to grow, it isn't just an american problem, it's a global problem, americans are prosperous and seen as easy targets. you need to be cognizant of where the u.s. is telling you where to go and not to go. remember when biden had withdrawal. he told citizens in iran over and over again to get out. like we need to listen. >> yeah, you mean afghanistan? >> afghanistan, sorry, afghanistan, yes, yes. we need to listen to our state

department. they are not here to prevent trust exploring the world. they are here to keep of safe. that area has been on the list for a very long time. >> molly, your thoughts? >> i just think there has been so much politicization of mexico and this is really the legacy of donald trump, among others, you know, where he said all of these really terrible things about mexicans that i think it is really important that this is not a political, you know, situation and i do think republicans have used the border as for, you know, and remember border crossings are actually down now. so it is interesting -- you know, this is like a favorite kind of cudgel of theirs and i hope they don't get involved in that and see this for what it is, which is, you know, terrible. >> john, same question that i asked to the professor. do we know how this works? the fact that we can't seem to turn off the spigot of fentanyl that's coming into this country from mexico because as we know it's coming in through legal

border crossings in tractor-trailers, what is the problem? how can we crack down an find that before it, you know, kills more teenagers? >> well, if you ask us, the mexican cartels, which are multibillion, not million, multibillion-dollar businesses and there is about five of them, they are the problem. if you ask mexico, we are the problem. if there wasn't the american consumer vacuuming fentanyl pills and every other drug the cartel comes up faster than they can make them or launder the money -- >> not to mention guns. >> not to mention guns and human trafficking, all kinds of things the cartels are in the business of, but the mexican government looks at it as please stop looking down your nose at us. you are the problem. without the consumer, there is no market. so we have found the enemy and it is us together. >> professor, about the medical tourism aspect of this, is it common -- we have heard how common it is for americans to travel to mexico. is it common place for americans

to cross over that brownsville area into matamoris? >> all across the u.s./mexico border many -- any major city on the border has medical tourism all the time. it's been going on many, many years. it's inexpensive, accessible. you can get procedures done for much less than it costs here, a third to a half, two-thirds less than it would cost here. and so also for the upper tier of the medical profession in mexico, literally the quality of care is probably every bit comparable to what we get here in the united states. so that -- it makes it a great -- very appealing, right?

and if you have to pay $3,000 deductible to get certain kinds of procedure done and you can get it done in mexico for less, then you may travel to mexico to do it. i would say most of the other places like tijuana and mexicali and juarez, they don't have currently the level of crime that we're seeing in tamaulipaso. those other cities had moments where there was a peek of crime, two or three years, tremendous, horrific violence taking place and at those times all of that tourism, medical or otherwise, is really shut down pretty extensively. but then it starts coming back.

>> professor, thank you very much for your expertise and sharing it with our viewers tonight. stick around, panel. when we come back a deep dive into what we know and don't know about the origins of covid. plus, why ron desantis says he will send a boat to the bahamas to get djokovic to miami. helping them achieve financial freedom. we're investing for our c cliens in the projects that power our economy. from the plains to the coasts, we help americans invest for their future. and help communities thrive.

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says he was left out of discussions between dr. anthony fauci and other scientists investigating the origins of covid. here is what he testified to in the house today. >> why do you think you were excluded from those calls? >> because i was told that they wanted a single narrative and that i online had a different point of view. science has debate and they squashed any debate. >> okay. we are back with the panel. basically, his feeling was that he was leaning towards the lab leak theory and dr. fauci was leaning towards the wuhan wet market or natural transmission theory. the way that dr. redfield made it sound for a long time, not just today, is that basically dr. fauci and dr. collins at nih weren't interested according to redfield in entertaining the lab leak theory. that's how i'm reading it. alyssa, you know all of these

gentlemen. you were in the white house during this. what was your impression? was there a tug-of-war? >> there was. i thought dr. redfield's testimony was valuable. i was there in real time. dr. dirks and redfield were opening to the idea it was a potential accidental lab leak. dr. fauci to this day, credible person, somebody i consider a friend, way dug in on the other side. i think it did a disservice because with signs andscience a the medical profession there is not always unanimity. there was a effort that this is the only thing we are going to talk about and people were diminished if they to put forward the other day. redfield has been saying this for two and a half years. >> why was he not open to this other possibility? >> knowing tony future -- i think there was -- there was a media element to it. fauci was throughout the trump administration trusted and seen as somebody who was an independent doctor who was not trump aligned. at times dr. birx and redfield

were more aligned with trump. dr. birx has done more to combat aids than any living person. redfield, virologist, dedicated his life to the medical profession. there was an element of politics that factored into it. >> in fairness to dr. fauci he said he is open to more investigation but he didn't have any basically visibility into what was happening in the lab in china. here is what he said a year and a half ago to senator rand paul when this came up in may of 2021. >> will you in front of this group categorically say that the covid-19 could not have occurred through serial passage in a laboratory? >> i do not have any accounting of what the chinese may have done and i'm fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in china. >> so here is what is interesting. back then in may of 2021, a year

and a half ago, cnn had reporting and i remember hearing it even prior to that just sort of in rumors but then cnn confirmed that there were several scientists at the wuhan virology lab that got sick in the fall of 2019. so before people in the united states started getting sick with covid they came down with symptoms so bad they had to go to the hospital. doesn't that lend itself to the lab leak theory? >> i saw that report as well. i remember hearing that going around. then it kind of wept away like, you know, acid rain kind of went away, doesn't happen anymore. it's impossible to talk about covid without talking about the politics of covid from the handling of it, the messaging of it and the fact that dr. fauci appeared -- i am not sure if it was behind the scenes -- from a viewer looking on the outside in as if he was an adversary of the administration as opposed to working hand in hand. when you have that you can't help but have this sort of hard

feelings coming from other scientists who weren't a part of the cool kids. covid got mucked bup because we politicized it b realized what it actually was. >> we didn't politicize it, right? i mean, i don't -- i don't feel like i politicized it. i mean, i think there was a sense in which republicans ran against covid for, you know, and that's what we are seeing even now with desantis. i mean -- >> republicans say that it was democrats who poo-poo'd the lab theory because president trump thought it. >> right. ultimately, either -- you know, an accidental lab leak or an accidental situation from the wet market doesn't matter, right? i mean, the whole thing with this lab leak is that there are people on the right who want to say that this was, you know, that somehow this was intentional and -- >> that's an important point. it's very different though. accidental lab is a credible hearing. saying it was a bioweapon is not a credible theory.

>> the far right is going to the like we are going to blame -- and look, this was not handled well. china should have -- there could have been way more on it and i think everyone agrees with that. but ultimately now we are in a situation where the virus is here, right. >> sure, but it matters in that if they were handling, you know, these biothreats in an improper way, we need to know. >> no, we definitely do. but i don't necessarily think it changes the calculus they need to fix the wet markets and the about biolabs. both need to be fixed because they are both problematic. >> from an intelligence standpoint it's frustrating because you are not in a permissive environment. you go where the chinese let you go, see what the chinese let you see. so when the world health people got their lab tour and followed up with looking at documents and needing a second tour, part two and three of that never happened. so we have an intelligence community consensus where you have a bunch of agencies that say we don't have enough

information to take a position. we would love to. we don't have the data. you have the fbi who says with moderate confidence that it appears to be a lab leak. that's not just agents and analysts. that's the fbi scientists whose game was brought up after the anthrax hit, you know, incidents to be, you know, really superb biological experts. then the department of energy who says we go for lab leak but with low confidence, not pause they don't believe their theory, they understand the data isn't there to prove it. the crime scene is gone, right? we can't pull those videos, can't reauto create those moments because it's too cold. the only way we will learn this is down the road and thi impossible, some human source may come forward and say i have the answer -- >> whistleblower. >> i was going to say there were 2019 state department dabls from the wuhan lab that warned this is a pandemic waiting to happen. low safety protocols. they weren't taking it

seriously. i wouldn't put it past the ccp to deflect blame and create the wet market theory rather than take responsibility. >> one can be held accountable and the other is just a guy in a market. >> thank you all. next, a scathing assessment from the doj about the louisville police department uncovering how officers rou routinely treat black people.

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the doj details widespread discrimination and excessive use of force by louisville, kentucky, police officers. the review launched following the police raid that killed breonna taylor. investigators finding that the police department specifically targets black people as well as disabled residents and sexual assault victims. the report says, quote, for years lmpd has practiced an aggressive of policing that dep deploys selectively especially against black people and vulnerable people throughout the city. okay. we're back with the panel now. in other words, that awful botched raid wasn't an anomaly.

>> of course not. we all knew this. we all knew this. nothing from that report shocks me. nothing. not a single thing. and unfortunately it will get politicized because then you will have people who are on the left and saying we need to do something and someone from the right is going to yell you are too woke or they are going to yell, you know, maga is better than black lives matter because you are antifa. it's going to get jumbled up and we will send up in the same place over and over again. when we were covering ferguson, after president obama's investigation is the investigation of that police department and what we saw there, you would have thought that would have triggered a widespread sweeping to make sure this kind of behavior didn't exist in that police department. what happened? went away, right? so, unfortunately, i don't have a lot of hope for this beyond what the municipality is going to do about it. this should spark a widespread conversation ain a healthy way

with police unions, but it won't. >> i am not as pessimistic. george floyd sparked a national conversation. there were reforms that were made. some police departments did make reforms after what happened in ferguson, but i hear you. the fact that it's 2023 and this report is coming out is appalling. so, john, because you know so much about police and everything, let me play for our what attorney general garland how he described the louisville police today. >> some officers have demonstrated disrespect for the people they are sworn to protect. some have videotaped themselves throwing drinks at pedestrians from their cars, assaulted people with disabilities and called black people monkeys, animal, and boy. this conduct is unacceptable. it is heartbreaking. >> so, john, how does that in this day and age go unchecked

within the police department? >> well, i am not sure it went unchecked. first of all, you have to understand that the construct of your average doj civil rights decision report on a police department they do a deep dive and feel they are not doing their job often. if they don't put all the worst things they can find together in a bunch to justify their study. so if you take -- >> that's pretty bad. >> it's pretty bad. like anything else, if you take a step back and add perspective to it, you know, the police officer who referred to somebody as a monkey, the person that he was referring to wasn't there. he was searching a car. it was 8 1/2 years ago. so in this report they collected every horror story they could find. they front loaded it and said -- and this is why we have to fix it. the report does say that louisville police department has spent the last 2 1/2 years plus bringing in its own consultants, doing a top to bottom assessment, making changes,

putting into effect a lot of the recommendations that the doj report comes up with and trying to get ahead of this to fix it because we cannot lose if this conversation louisville is a largely white city with a black neighborhood on the west end of town, on the north side. their world record for murder watts 117 murders for 650,000 people. until 2020 and 2021 where, you know, that went to 160 and then 170 and 117 of those were black people. so they have a terrible crime and violence problem in a poor neighborhood where there is a lot of police activity. there is nothing in the doj report about the crime levels. is just says there is poverty and problems. but police are disproportionately active in that area. they are disproportionately

active in every city in the area where there are the most shootings and violence because people need them. >> how did is you forget the word poverty in that description though? the relationship between crime, education and poverty -- >> the word poverty is -- >> are well known. >> yes. >> yes, they are going to be in an area where there is violence. they tend to be in an area where there is poverty. that's the baseline we need to be talking about. >> how do you separate those two? one of the problems we are struggling with, we keep trying to separate race, poverty and crime and policing when you can't really have that discussion without bringing them together and saying we know in poor areas of any city there is going to be more crime, more police response and more focus. >> can't we just say that the police are not supposed to hurt people and that that is a sign they are not doing their job, right? and when you have things like what happened with breonna taylor, i mean, that -- there was no world in which that

should have happened. i mean, you know, you don't do that kind of thing. you don't shoot into, you know, and kill someone who is sleeping. so i think, you know, it doesn't matter what is happening. the police have a job which is not to kill people. >> john is saying it's changed since then, since the breonna taylor -- >> they have done a lot of ever since then. >> we have no proof of that. >> i mean, we -- i think we have some proof of that. >> recruitment -- >> they have put in a lot of reforms and they have -- one piece of proof of it is that they opened the doors to doj. they were fully cooperative with that investigation. doj says that. louisville says that. there are police departments that realizes out of 1,000 cops, they had a group of bad apples, had these incidents that occurred over many -- >> group of bad -- sorry. >> is recruitment an issue? no person should hold a gun or badge who calls a person that name. are we funding them to the levels we are able to recruit

people who aren't bad actors? in dod you don't people with god complexes, people who can handle authority and won't use excessive force. these are clearly bad actors. i want to know what they would put in place that would actually recruit people that are not going to endanger the very communities -- >> louisville pd does not disagree they had officers that treated people badly. >> i also think the bar is so low here. i mean, theser the police. they are supposed to keep you safe. they are not supposed to hurt you. >> girl, please. >> but the fundamental job -- >> that ship sailed, you know, state patrol, eons ago. i believe that, one, we'll know if there is a real change when police officers no longer feel under durrous if they are going to be a whistleblower. they don't feel like they are going to be ostracized. if those police officers feel comfortable reporting that, then we have change.

i don't see that yet. >> that's a big move in policing, which is -- >> the other part, just quickly, the other thing i would say is that you have to have police officers who live where they work. >> yeah. >> you have to have them live where they work. as long as they can show up, harass people and go back into their communities and not have to deal with the repercussions of what they did with the citizens who live there and you have police officers who won't report each other because they don't feel comfortable, you are going to continue to have this cesspool. i hear what you are saying. there is a lot of stuff on paper. but officers who are watching this television show right now know what i'm talking about. they don't feel comfortable saying i saw this sergeant doing x, y and z because they feel i am going to be ostracized and kicked out. >> it makes it like any other career. doctors don't report on doctors and nurses don't report on nurses. sometimes reporters are reporting on reporters. >> yes. >> stick around on the show. we will be. >> doctors are not fearing for their lives, right?

i have seen reporting about gangs in los angeles and the police gangs in los angeles. i mean, i think that -- >> we are going into this other-worldly place. there are 850,000 cops in america. they show up every day. they lrisk their lives. we do a big story when they are killed and feel bad for them and then we put a disordernent overblown focus on the bad ones, because we should. it's not news when a dog bites a man, when a cop says something bad that deserves attention. we can't normalize it. even the doj report, which is scathing, said most louisville police officers do their job in a good way and try hard to protect the community. >> if i could share one quick story. i grew up in detroit. i grew up loving police officers. you know why? because of the blue pigs. those in detroit know what i'm talking about. it was a band. i love cops until one day i was walking home from school and it

was a knee in my back and a gun in the back of my head because the police officers thought i was charged with some breaking in like gang activity. and you know what recurred over and over again since then? it wasn't the blue pigs. i hear what you are saying about the bad apples. but my original point was until you have some of those farmers saying get those apples out of there before they make the store, you will have the same problem. >> that's helpful to know. and i also think that the report shows if you can say things like that with impunity in your office or in your patrol car it means that nobody is, you know, other people aren't ostracizing you and not cracking down. but, hopefully, because of this horrible tragedy, as you say, they are bringing in consultants and things are changing and we will see. >> they have done a lot already. the report says that. >> that's good. i am pleased to end on that note. everyone stick around. we have more exempts from dominion's lawsuit if against fox.

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did not believe the election lies they were spreading on the air, some of them couldn't even stand donald trump would they pretended to bworship on the ai. they claim this lawsuit is an unprecedented assault on the first amendment. dominion voting systems accuses fox of seeking a first amendment license to knowingly spread lies. we are back with john miller, molly, l z and alyssa. okay. so i barely know where to begin. >> i mean -- >> could i start off with until these documents came out in discovery and we got to see them because people didn't remember what they put in their emails,

nobody was telling on anybody in that company. >> right. >> yeah. >> i like that. that's a light motif through the show. i see that. so, basically, what fox says is that it's an effort to publicly smear a media organization just for having the temerity to cover and comment on allegations being pressed by the sitting president of the united states and it should be recognized for what it is, a blatant violation of the first amendment. that's not all they were doing. rupert more dock has admitted under oath they were in his -- his hosts were endorsing the lies that trump was spreading. >> and my favorite rupert murdoch quote is it's all about ratings. some of thous who have known tucker carlson for many years, we have had debate about is it all an act or has he self-radical lased. i was on the side i thought he was buying what he sold. no.

you read. >> this he is more anti-trump than i am. he can't stand him. he thinks administration accomplished nothing and goes on "everywhere" day to say the polar opposite. the audacity to continue to espouse lies about january 6th in the midst of this lawsuit shows how untouchable he thinks he is. he knows he is a cash cow for fox news. he know his head won't roll. it's misleading the american people and shame. >> he also must know that his viewers are is so locked in that they don't know that this is happening somehow and he can continue to, you know, mislead them. >> that's the scary part. it's the siloed media. you have this righti-wing media the people who need to see the tucker carlson messages will never see them because they are going to watch oan and newsmax. remember, fox did this because they were worried they were losing market share. not to cnn.

>> i think some will sneak in. i was with you, molly, for the past few weeks. i was thinking, oh, the viewers will never see it. i think they channel surf. i think that they do walk past "the new york times" headline and it catches their eye. i think it is going to sneak in. i don't know if they will care but i think that somehow it's going to sneak in through osmosis. >> if there is a trial, you will have those guys sitting on the witness stand having to say -- and they are not going to be able to lie because there are tweets, there are emails. >> the trial is expected to start mid-april. what would make it not go to trial? if dominion settles. if fox says we will pay you $1.6 billion. >> if dominion settles, the facts are out there and the story has been told. but you don't get the show of the trial. and remember what kind of trial we are in. i mean, this is you defamed our company, this did damage to us and the libel world comes on a three-legged stool. number one the story wasn't

true, we established the story isn't true. number two, when you wrote the story you knew it wasn't true. remember, they are quoting the president who is claiming it's a fraud. that's news. you've got to print that. he has got investigators and his law lawyer," rudy giuliani: what happened to america's mayor?" making specific charges. that's true. so number three -- >> but hold on a second. >> we get back there. number three, you have to prove when you printed it you knew -- you did it with malice because you already knew it wasn't true. the problem with number two, which is was it true or not, did it do in good faith, the discovery tells us two things. number one, they were printing it, number two they were saying to each other we know it's not true. so this is a bad place. rupert murdoch has $20 billion and he can write a check for 1.6 and the whole place doesn't go out of business, but it's very bad for fox news as an entity if they go to trial and they lose this case because it is a

finding of fact by a jury that their news organization was actually a political organization -- >> that tells me that rupert murdoch is going to cut a check for 1.6 billion of chump change. >> i don't think if dominion settles, i think they want to go to trial. i think the brand is ruined, right? they ruined the brand with this malicious -- i mean -- >> i wouldn't go that far. i wouldn't go that far. they have a ton of viewers who like what they are selling. >> i am saying the dominion brand. >> dominion challenges, they are going to have to prove that these damages to them, you know, that they lost $1.6 billion in business. that's going to be hard. >> can you imagine a republican governor get -- buying dominion voting machines now? they never would. i mean, they have done incalculable damage to the dominion brand. >> all the more reason to have the trial, to get that story all the way out. >> these little pieces keep, you know, seeping out every night. so this is going to continue. we will see what happens in mid-april. stay with me. would you go back to summer cam.

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