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two banks. both with deep ties to the tech industry. the collapse of fat silicon valley bank in the bay area and signature bank here in new york shook customers and investors alike. the question was, and really still as, what it also threaten the broader market in the banking system so so far, the answer appears to be no. markets largely held steady, closing the day mix shares in regional banks amongst the ones that failed to take a beating. joining shortly, lawrence summer, who actually predicted the current high insulation to walk us through the coming days and weeks and what he thinks about the federal response so far. including this promise from the president. >> every american should feel confident that their deposits will be there, if and when they need them. >> in addition to secretary summers, we have cnn's kristen romans and phil mattingly on this for us tonight. christine, on your money, and fill, on the white house response and what comes next. we begin with christine. so is the threat of contagion in the financial markets, does that seem to have passed? >> for these two banks in particular, they've put a big run around these banks. they stopped a fire here. they have made it, essentially, the depositors hole. these pr people who would have to go

make payroll. these are small businesses. the white house is concerned about whether depositors are made whole, and the shareholders get in those banks nothing. -- it's a bailout of the people who have deposited in that bank. we looked at these regional banks today, really tough day for some of these regional banks. there are still some bags concerns with their stock prices. their stock prices came down sharply. you can see some of them on your screen. some of these halted trading. it was just so fast and furious, the selling here. what is happening is, investors are looking at some of these banks and saying, do they have a similar kind of profile as some of the banks that have failed? what kinds of things do they have on their books, that maybe a little bit less valuable? i think it's going to be some bumpy going here in the banking industry in the near term.

for in the coming days ands? >> i think the biggest thing to watch for is what the federal reserve is going to do. it was a week ago, anderson, that jerome powell signaled there maybe there will be 50 -- we need to get inflation under control. suddenly, you have two banks, three banks actually, in the past week, break. essentially. so are they worried about the fragility of the banking system? and being able to handle more rate hikes in this environment in some of the four corners of banking. i think that the going assumption now is the feds might go more slowly and in fact, put the fight against inflation on pause while they make sure that the financial system is truly stable. >> interesting, thanks. -- phil mattingly, what is the white house's plan, phil? i think there's really two key components. >> there's always the pot is -- on sunday night. treasury officials, have been watching the effect of those efforts throughout the course of this day. on the phone constantly with regulators in these financial institutions. with

banks ceos as well trying to ensure that they are having the desired effect. while christine pointed out, those regional banks are getting hammered in the equity markets behind the scenes i'm told that we are seeing some positive signs as it relates to deposits. obviously depositors, and the risks that they face, or a critical concern here. mostly on the rationale with panic. they were concerned that there would be significant and dramatic deposit or outflows from some of these banks. they have seen those outflow start to slow. which they view as a positive signal. the other key element here is access to credit, ensuring that these banks can stay liquid, even if they are getting hit by the market. long enough to maintain some level of durability and sustainability going forward. they've seen some of that is well, tied to the federal reserve's credit lending facility. some positive signs going forward on that front. the other, obviously as messaging. the president making very clear that he wanted to reassure individuals, reassure small businesses, trying to make clear what his regulators and finance officials are saying. that the market on the is stable and well capitalized. they need that to be believed, obviously, to ensure there is no panic that carries out further. >> is the white house concerned about any political

ramifications for them? >> they are keenly aware that there are political, that there is political fallout that is coming. they've been watching and waiting for republicans to jump on this. you've seen a few of the mid tier presidential candidates, like nikki haley, jump on this, call this a biden bailout. but in talking to white house officials, they have moved very quickly to try to get in front of that. you saw that in the presidents remarks. blaming the deregulation in the 2018 law signed by president trump for some of the effects here. also, also making it clear in a declared manner as possible that -- from the 2008 financial crisis. one white house official i spoke to said this, nobody thinks we are out of the woods here. but we are picking up clear signals that the scale and breadth of what we deployed is having an effect. we are not going to sit back and let republicans beat the out of us. for protecting small business owners and individuals, we're not going to let anyone act like this is 2008. when our actions are designed to ensure the exact opposite is true. i think that's a critical component here. we talk to white house officials, they make sure that the presidents focus is on those depositors. on those small businesses. making clear that the executives at these banks, like silicon valley bank, like signature bank, we're no longer employed. they did not have major parachutes, golden

parachutes coming out of this. also that there will be accountability going forward, the president mentioning all of those things today. that wasn't by accident. that is very clearly a message that they want to get across here. very much so predicting the political fallout that will be coming in the weeks ahead. >> phil mattingly, appreciate it from the white house tonight. now we're joined by a lion summers who served as treasury secretary in the clinton administration. director of the national economic council at the obama white house in the wake of the 200 -- banking crisis. secretary summers, it's good to see you. for those wondering tonight if the country is out of the woods on this, what do you say? >> look, i think that americans should feel safe. the money they have deposited in banks is going to be there for them. that is the most important thing. i think that assurance is given for the banks that were closed. very directly by

the federal government, last night. i think the facility, the provisions that were made to lend money on a very large scales to other banks were designed to assure that come what may, they would be able to take care of their depositors. so i think that is the most important thing that has happened here. i think that's a very important success. >> we saw -- >> of course there are issues that lie ahead. >> let's talk about that. we saw the stark market close that elaborate -- christine talked about. for average investors, what should they read into? what do you think lies ahead? >> look, i think we have a complicated economy because of inflation. and because there are risks of recession that are ahead. but, i think it's a little bit more complicated, but not vastly more complicated than it was before these problems came to us. i think it's very important that the fed continue to do what's necessary to contain inflation. they are going to have to make some difficult judgments, no

question. but events like this are likely to mean that the banking system is a bit less forthcoming with new loans, and that is a kind of monetary tightening. because that's happening, the fed may need to tighten less than it otherwise would have. i certainly think the fed needs to stay focused on the inflation challenge that is really what the american people have said is what they see as our principal economic challenge. i think it's what history teaches us, that if we don't keep inflation controlled, we ultimately have much larger recessions and much more suffer. >> so should this slow the fed down in terms of raising rates? or should they continue on the same course? >> i think that many people

were talking about the idea, chairman powell clearly broached the idea, he certainly didn't commit to it. that it his next meeting in the next ten days, the feds should raise rates by 50, basis points, by half a percentage point. i think that looks like a much lower likelihood right now. in light of the various concerns that are out there. that this will slow the economy. i think it's premature to try to judge what the feds should do. we're going to get an important data point about inflation tomorrow. an important data point about retail sales, the day after. that and we are going to see how these financial measures work through. i would be

disappointed if the fed, which very clearly was on a path to raising interest rates by a quarter of a percentage point, then probably doing it again. if the fed wasn't able to raise rates by a quarter of a percentage point, because of all of this, i would be surprised and i would be a bit disappointed. but again, it's very difficult to judge the future, the fed will know much more when it has to vote on that interest rate policy. then it does right now. >> senator bernie sanders has said that he thinks the failure of svb was a result of the previous administration loosening financial regulations. is there true to that? do you agree to that? >> i think that the decisions

that were made during the previous administration, to exempt some mid size banks from some categories of regulations, for example, were misguided. many said so at at the time. i do think that this is a current and ongoing failure of regulation. that these problems, which in restaurants backed, look rather obvious. they were not caught. they were not caught in advance. because if they had been caught in advance, there are various adjustments that could have been made that might have avoided them. so yes, the changes and rules are a problem, but frankly the ongoing process of regulation, i think, is going to need to be reviewed quite closely. >> senator lauren summers, i really appreciate your time tonight. thank you >> thank you. >> coming up next, the former

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>> former president is making his first trip to iowa in the 2024 campaign. perhaps just days before the criminal indictment of the stormy daniels hush money case. before arriving you told -- in many ways, unquote, and his vice president. speaking tonight in davenport where potential rival ran dissented spoke on friday. he had this to say about the florida governor. >> ron desantis, did anybody ever hear about desantis. desanctimonious. ron was a disciple. of paul ryan. who is a loser who is currently destroying fox. ron reminds me a lot of mitt romney. >> some perspective now, the campaigner in chief, cnn chief correspondent and cnn this morning co honor, -- a, again it's remarkable how backward looking the former president is in his comments and what he's talking about. blaming mike pence for january 6th. >> yeah, he's been complaining

about the press coverage that prince has been getting since saturday night. i was in the room when pence made this comment. >> that was there was no cameras around. >> no cameras allowed, we'll get that to a minute. there's criticism there pushing back. on pence to take this moment, where typically it's just laughing and making fun of other political rivals. he was doing that at the beginning, he made some trump jokes, but then he got serious about january 6th. he did go further than he's gone before. he's criticize what happened that day. but saying that he does believe history will hold trump accountable was very notable. taking that stance, going that far as to say about how trump's words in danger pence, endangered everybody who is at the capitol. pence is also really critical of fox news, which i thought was remarkable. we have not seen him, he's going after one of the biggest host on fox. saying that the way that they portrayed what happened on january 6th with that 40,000 hours of footage that they reviewed, he said that it marks a decency to portray it that way. it wasn't just sightseeing, it wasn't just tourism. trump has been unhappy with that. so today on the plane to iowa, where he speaking now, he was saying that because pence didn't do what he wanted that day, he was

responsible for the violence that happened. that is the exact same argument that john eastman, who is that attorney at the time of january 6th in the awful office, email to pence's attorney that day. his counsel, greg jacob, emailed and said -- >> while they were in hiding? while they're at the capitol? >> the right is still going on. he emails and says, actually you are responsible for the siege and what happened. basically you guys didn't let this happen in public, sending these votes back to the state legislature. it's not surprising that tampa saying this, but i think a lot of it has to do it the fact that he's unhappy about the coverage prince has gotten. >> i read an email you sent out which had the response by pence's guy back to john eastman while they were in hiding at the capitol, it was

just grace under fire. a very effective response in john eastman saying, you've been pushing a completely bogus legal argument. you bear responsibility for riling up all of these people who are now attacking the capitol. >> i think they knew how trump worked. i think the phrase that greg jacob used, he said that they are worse a serpent in the ear of trump. basically pushing these theories, saying that pence could do something that pence legally could not do. pence had attorneys look into this at the time. it's remarkable that we are here. i think on the timing of pence saying this, it was behind closed doors. it wasn't on camera. it was on the record, but it wasn't on camera. he is fighting a subpoena from the doj to come and testify in the special counsel's investigation into january 6th. he did not go testify the poor the january six committee. he did write about the conversations in his book, i think a lot of it has to do with political timing. 2024 field is shaping up. what pence has done by going out this far, to say that trump will be held accountable that day, is every other 2024 candidate is going to get asked about this now. if they are gray or where their stance is. he's kind of setting a standard there.

>> it's interesting though, he was on a book tour. he's had plenty of opportunities before this to say stuff on camera, and he has chosen not to. >> he's been critical of it, he has not gone as far as to say trump will be held accountable for that day. in the room it was a lot of reporters in the room. it got very quiet as he was saying that. it wasn't even just that, he was also very laudatory of the press. talking about how good our coverage was that day, and what it meant as they were under siege. they were still being hidden in his security and his family who are with him that day. he was very praise, he praised the press a lot. that was something that stood out, obviously we've seen that.

>> he doesn't do that on camera. interesting. >> doesn't do that on camera so there wasn't that moment you can replay it. i still think that comment has gotten a lot of attention. >> it's not the same. does the trump campaign feel like they are well positioned given the rivals that, now there are a lot of republican saying there can't be a repeat of 2016 where you have all these potential candidates on a debate stage. with trump, and he's picking them up one by one. that's what is being set up right now. >> we'll see how big it is. i'm surprised actually that more people have not gotten in the race so far. desantis, waiting till after the legislature ends. pence is not getting in yet. nikki haley -- are the only two people who are actually formally challenging him so far. obviously others are going to get in, but you see people like larry hogan who is not getting in. a very popular governor of maryland. he said today that now he views his role in 2024 a single-handedly making sure trump is not the nominee. i think the trump campaign, i was just talking to someone in trump's world last week, they are very worried about ron desantis. that's the reason he spent so much of these, these remarks in iowa where desantis was on friday. going after him and criticizing him. he's bad on ethanol, -- he's not bad on ethanol. they're very worried about him. donors are not committing to trump. his former staffers, people like sarah

sanders, are include declining to endorse him. i think they're watching all of that really closely. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate, it thank you. the former president -- trump are going then his other two, -- robert county in the texas panhandle. most heavily trump county in 2016 and 2020. perhaps not this time. -- to see if anything has changed. >> the county's seat if tiny roadwork counties tetanus is pronounced miami. it would be also fair to pronounce it as number -- who do you think you will vote for in the next presidential election? >> trump. >> in this county of about 800 people, he received 95% of the vote in 2016. 96% in 2020. both times, the highest percentage of any county in the nation. but is trumpism on track for continued success here? >> a lot of things can move on. >> this is our fourth visit here since trump was elected president. on this visit, there is a notable shift. ron sports

and his wife kate, are retired and live in a held up ranch on the county. they, and everyone else we interviewed for this story, say they voted for donald trump in 2016 and 2020. >> if the republican presidential primary where today, do you know who you would vote for? >> probably desantis, possibly pence, but not trump. >> your husband? >> desantis. more i think. i quickly became clear to us that many donald trump voters here already for a different republican. >> i'm leaning towards nikki haley. >> how come? >> because i like her views in what she does. >> if you had to vote today, who would you pick? >> probably pence. >> wade jackson has lived in miami his whole life, he's in the oil and gas business, also collects antique cars and does mechanic work. he warns any potential intruder he is not calling 9-1-1. he's a lifelong conservative republican who is not shy about criticizing the man he voted for twice. >> he's done some shady things that i'm not fond of right now. i'm going to see if there's something else better than

that. >> what kind of shady things? >> like all of the documents and stuff at mar-a-lago and all of that. i think he's hiding too much stuff. we don't need that in our country, we need everything on the table out in the open. >> rick mcdonell operates a hunting business. we interviewed the storm -- in one of our previous visits to miami. he now says in next year's texas primary, he's planning to vote for ron desantis. >> i know trump likes loyal people, why aren't you being loyal to him and supporting him again? >> i think his time is over. i think he's got too much baggage. >> trump certainly still has enthusiastic supporters in roberts county. >> i'm going to stay loyal and i guess i will stay with donald. >> we have no issues with how he conducted himself during his presidency? >> no. >> i'd like them to run together. that would be got. >> trump and desantis? >> trump and desantis. who would you want to be the president and who would you want to be the vice president? >> that would be good, i don't know. i think desantis might get elected more easy. trump has got a lot of people that hate him. >> all in all it does appear

donald trump has some challenges here. new challenges. >> i'm voted for him alleged originally because i was voting against hillary. then i was voting against biden. then i thought he might be good for the country, but he's done a lot of disturbing things that are not good for the country. >> trump? >> yes, i don't think he's what we want representing us. who we want representing. us >> what disturbing in your mind? >> the capital and his. >> the insurrection. >> the comments he makes. they are just not professional. >> do you agree with your wife? >> i agree 100 percent, yes, sir. >> gary tuchman joins us now from roberts county texas. >> first of all, it looks beautiful there. did any of the people who are skeptical of the former president that you spoke to, did they say they would consider voting for a democrat if trump is the gop nominee? but they go that far? >> the answer is no, anderson. nobody i've talked to who has become disenchanted with donald

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republican and so -- lgbtq legislation. apologizing for his repeated interactions with a young gay man who posts provocative photos on instagram. the progressive website that tennessee hauler, first on earth mcnally's interactions with 20-year-old franklin mclure. who goes by franklin superstar on social media. and many of mclaurin's posts, he scantily clad. often pulling his short slightly down. among the posts, the 79 year old lieutenant governor reacted to, this close-up of love in the course backside. mcnally responded with three red hearts and three fire emoji's. then commented, you can turn a rainy day into rainbows and sunshine. mick natalie declined our interview request, but spoke with our affiliate, wtvd f. >> i tried to encourage people with posts, and tried to help them if i can.

>> how exactly, his heart and fire emojis were helping franklin mcclure, it's still unclear. wtf also asked the lieutenant governor specifically about liking this post, where mick lower used language such as prosecute and referred to a sexual act. >> it was liked by lieutenant governor mcnally. >> i don't know that a lot of times on peoples posts, you see the name and you see what they've written. you just press the button that says. like >> so you didn't read that post? >> i don't recall reading the part about the we need, i know that. >> what about the prostitute? >> i might have read that. >> in that case, was it appropriate to like the comment? probably not. probably not. >> franklin buckler told me, the lieutenant governor has been commenting on his posts for several years. on this post, mcnally responded with a hand

clap emoji. along with the comment, super look! on this one, mcnally left a heart emoji. >> in this one, showing the clear dancing outside in his underwear. the lieutenant governor left a comment saying, love it, with pink hearts. there's certainly nothing illegal or inherently wrong about any of that. but there is hypocrisy, rank hypocrisy. that is because at the time lieutenant governor mcallen was coasting on mclaurin's posts, he and his fellow republicans in the tennessee legislature were passing a slew of bills targeting lgbtq people, or what critics call, the slate of hate. >> that was not very kind to that community. as i've learned some things, and met some people in that community, i've realized that they are still individuals and they still have value. >> just recently, a governor here signed into law a bill that outlaws drag shows in

public property. another that bars transient gender children from getting gender affirming health care. democratic state senator heidi campbell. >> i think it's problematic if you support legislation that takes away freedom and rights of our lgbtq community. and yet you are participating in behavior that obviously, you know, shows that you have interest in that area. >> in all, tennessee's legislature has more than two dozen bills proposed by republican lawmakers that limit the rights of those in the lgbtq community. >> lieutenant governor, can i get our? >> we tried to ask governor mcnally about all of this in the capital and nashville. >> what do you say to folks who are calling you a hypocrite? what do you say to those who say your hypocrite? >> well, i think it's in the -- >> local reporters confronted mcnally earlier when news of this first broke. he pushed back.

>> i'm not anti gay. i also have friends that are day. i have relatives that are gay. >> meanwhile, franklin mclaurin, the young man in the images, liked by mcnally, told me he was surprised and flattered by the lieutenant governor's comments. he also told me this. >> he called me a couple times. on the phone, ability on some apps. >> and you never responded to those? >> yeah, i didn't even know he did it. >> why would he be calling you? >> i don't know. >> i've embarrassed my family, embarrassed my friends. embarrassed any of the members of the legislator with the posts. it was not my intent to, and not my intent to hurt them. >> randi joins us now from nashville. so you tried to speak with the lieutenant governor today, you said something about a statement, what did it say? >> he did issue a statement to us, anderson. it was quite a

long statement soldiers give you some of the key parts. he said he's pausing his social media and will be getting guidance on how to use it. he also insisted that this characterization of him at his record as anti-gay is inaccurate. in that statement of his. he also said that every person has value and deserves respect, regardless of orientation. but anderson, as you know, this statement comes as he continues to push through this anti gay legislation. in fact, just today on the senate floor, they were debating a biological sex bill. while we were there waiting for the lieutenant governor and trying to speak with him. also franklin with floor, the young man who he had been commenting on it on instagram, told me the hypocrisy and all of this was not lost to him either. he said that he's watching him leave these very nice comments on his instagram, yet he's continuing to push through this anti lgbtq legislation. he sees that is very hypocritical. >> randi kaye, appreciate it. thanks. -- the top of a florida book ban is a hoax, bestselling author jody peco, who has sold millions of folks, -- recently

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>> florida governor ron desantis was adamant. that regulations on school libraries did not lead to book bans on seemingly innocuous

works. calling them a quote hoax. yeah earlier that week. florida published a list of books being moved from school libraries. including beloved by 20. morrison handmaid's tale by margaret atwood. also including works by judy blume, here is patterson and my next guest jordy peco. bestselling author speaking out saying that 20 of her books have been removed by officials in schools. including house rules, my sister's keeper and the storyteller. jody peco joins me now from her first tv interview on the subject. most recent is matt honey. >> jody, thank you so much for being with us. could you just explain your understanding of what some of your books have been taken off of the shelves. how does that actually happen? >> in martin county. school district, you do not actually have to read the books to challenge them. and you not even have to say what is objectionable in a book to have it removed for myself. and this is actually true in a lot of florida so, it is worth

saying that although 20 of my books happened to be removed this time, this is happening all over florida and the rest of the country. most people who are offended as authors are bipoc in lgbtq authors. from what i understand, the objection to my books is that they were classified by this one parent as adult romance. which is very interesting, because i do not write about romance. and in fact of the books that were challenged, one of them is a book called the storyteller. which is about the holocaust and about the rise of fascism among ordinary germans. there is not even a kiss in that book. so i was quite confused. and it felt a little ironic actually that that was one of the books band here. >> you said, 20 of your books were panned from this one district in florida. do you know why the storyteller? if it's about the holocaust, obviously it's a difficult subject, it's an emotional subject. was there something that you can identify that would have made it somebody

object to? it >> no, i think that's the point. the laws that currently stand in florida are so egregious and so vague. books are being pulled off the shelves without a lot of understanding why. without reason. what's most important to remember is that these books remain off the shelves. while they are being reviewed. if they are being reviewed. that can take years. it can take a very long time in some cases. >> in addition to being a writer, you are also a parent. i just learned or grandparent. congratulations on that. >> thank you. >> i am a relatively new parent as well. obviously i have concerns about what my kids are going to be reading, a concerns about what they're going to be seeing on television. all of that you understand. what is

the line here between, that makes this in your opinion, unacceptable? >> you are a parent i am a parent. as parents, it's totally fine to make a decision about what your child can or cannot read. it is not fine for you to make a decision for everyone else's child. that is really what is at heart here. that is what the problem is here. i think it's also really important that america realize, no matter what you're hearing, this is not a hoax. it's not a hoax to the authors whose books are being pulled off the shelves. it is not a host to the kids who can't access titles that they want to read. >> the governor has, governor desantis, has said that this is about curriculum transparency. do you believe that? >> i don't believe that. if it was, then challenging a book should require you to read the book. to know what is in the book. and to have a reason for

wanting it off the shelves. >> parents are challenging books they haven't read. in some cases, their national organizations which are sending out lists of books to communities that parents should be concerned about. and parents can take that list to their school board or their principal. and have those books question. >> right. that is what happened in the case in martin county. it is a mom, one mom in particular, who did the bulk of the banning of 92 books. she works with moms for liberty, which is a national organization, she is part of the local chapter in martin county. i've seen the actual forms where she check the box saying, no i have not read this book in its entirety. >> your books are interesting, you don't shy away from difficult topics. and different perspectives in a lot of your stories. they are very human stories, but they are you have a book, 19 minutes, i think it's called. which deals with the aftermath of a school shooting. obviously these are things which are important topics. and topics that can spark conversations between

parents and a child. >> that's how i raise my. cams when my kids wanted to redouble that was challenging or emotionally confusing, whatever age they. we're i'd read the book, make sure i felt it was appropriate. and use it to springboard for discussion. i think that's important. i don't actually right adult romance. there isn't stuff in my books that would be considered vulgar. what i do write about is topics like racism. and gun control. and gay rights. and abortion rights. things that make kids learn how to think for themselves. which last time i checked, was actually the job of public education in america. >> what's the big picture problem here, what's the big picture concern for you here, beyond your books, beyond just this principle, what impact, why does this matter? >> the reason this matters is because we have scientific proof that kids who feel marginalized, who read books that have characters that are

marginalized, they feel less alone. and we know also, that kids who haven't met or experience people who are different from them. who do so in the same space above also learn about those cultures, of those identities. we know that box bridge divides between people. we know book bans create them. and that ultimately is the big problem here. kids are not getting information that they literally have a supreme court right to have. there was a case in 1982, where the supreme court decided that based on the first amendment, kids have the right to receive information. i can't be removed from shelves. because of political reasons. yet here we are, with a state

that keeps pulling books off shelves. without a real good explanation of why, or plan for how to get them back on the shelves in a timely fashion. >> and what do you encourage people to do about this? >> i encourage them to speak out as loudly as the people who are making the noise. because there are far more people who don't want books banned in this country. than the ones that. and so i encourage them to go to penn dot org slash action. you can find resources there that will help you join a rally, or go up to a school board. or write letters, find a way to become involved in your own community, or other communities. it's what we have to. do we need to start speaking out. >> jody pika, we appreciated. thank you. >> of course. >> up next, march madness which people from my office talk about. and i don't quite understand what it is our why we're expected to fill out brackets. luckily, harry until the here to explain why. and help us with brackets. whatever that means. we (laughter)

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>> college basketball fans do not need me to tell them it is march madness time. if they do, that's pretty sad because i don't know what it is i can muster up the energy. to luckily our senior data reporter is mad about march madness. has some tips for filling out the brackets. okay, what is it? what's the point? >> first, i want to give you

your own bracket. here i come bearing gifts. we are going to fill this out. >> when people walk around the, office of i'm just like now. >> we will fill this out after the segment. you know there are 63 games. there are 64 teams. there are 68, but 64 makes its round of 16 for. you have to pick 63 games. i just want to give you an understanding anderson upper level of understanding. so, on this we are going to have the low goes up. the four number one seeds. i want to see if you can actually know any of these teams. can you name any of these teams anderson? >> the bird is kansas? >> okay you. i knew somebody who went there. university of hawaii? >> university of houston, that's not bad, they both have ages in it. the script a. i don't know. the atlanta astros. caitlin would be very upset with you right now. alabama.

it's for purdue, it's for purdue. so you were able to get one. you got k you. not bad, you are not off to a bad start. >> how many people fill out a bracket and how many people actually get it right? >> it's amazing to me the people who know all of these teams. >> they don't, there are millions upon millions. espn had over 17 million last year filled it out. when you look at other brackets and combine, we could be looking at upwards of 40, 50, 60 million people. wouldn't surprise me. >> i feel that this is a flaw in my character. that i don't know these teams. >> no no, don't worry about it. >> no, i should. i like to know the characters. >> i'm here to help you. that's the purpose here. >> so what tips do you have? >> hold on, hold on, i just want to know, on the perfect bracket, i wouldn't worry about it. do you know how many people get the perfect bracket? nobody gets it right. do you know what the odds of getting a perfect bracket by chance? are >> no. >> one in 9 quintillion. compare that to the mega millions, one in 303 million.

compare that to getting a royal flush in poker, it's one in 350,000. >> why am i in this graphic? >> because we are making happy things occur for you. that's what it is. i'm trying to help you understand that it is very difficult. so i wouldn't worry about filling out a perfect wreck. >> okay. >> but i want to give you some clues. some close to fill it out. here is the big thing. the number one, usually wins. 60%, the number one ends up winning the entire thing. so there are 4 number one seeds that we already spoke about earlier. okay? for number one seat. they are the ones that get through this round, the round of 64, round to 32, round of 16, round of 8, round of 4, and the final. okay, so pick one of the

number one teams to win the entire thing. that i think is one thing. don't worry about picking the early games, necessarily correctly, because the truth is, most bracket tournaments give you a lot more points. you get a lot more reward for picking those later games. >> i went to my special place a long time ago. >> i am always in my own special place anderson. so i'll join you in your special place. >> i lost you at the number one thing. >> you always lose me. >> you cannot mayfield is out later. >> we'll fill it out, we'll come back, and we'll see it in a few weeks. >> good luck everybody with your brackets. you can get more march madness insight when chris wallace talks with new and see a double -- also, a lot of fun, with former nba player and pantyhose kenny smith. as well as outgoing syracuse coach, jim boeheim. don't miss cnn primetime inside the man's, basketball brackets and business, tomorrow night at 9 pm eastern. i'm glad they don't have me doing. it i would've messed it up. we'll be right back. t shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain,

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