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the first time the international criminal court of plans to war -- russia for its actions in ukraine. it'll issue war and several people interrupting from the new york times. and writers. one war crimes cases prompted by russian attacks on the infrastructure like this one targeting train stations last year. there's also accusations of deliberately targeting residential banyan parking lot and kharkiv. they say it only hits military targets. the other case will reportedly focus on the abduction of ukrainian children. like these evacuees from war torn eastern ukraine shown and i mean summer camp. ukraine says unreasonable port from yale university, a documents thousands of kids who were taken to russia, indoctrinated, an adopted from former -- russian families. which is a war crime. the news continues, erin burnett out front starts next. >> before the banking system is safe. tonight, president biden moving to calm panicked. americans to banks collapsing in three days. now the spotlight on the health of the entire industry. >> this was plain extortion. donald trump's lawyer going on the offensive ahead of a potential indictment. the former president refusing to testify before a grand jury. >> our department is urging anyone thinking of traveling into mexico, especially spring rake or, is to avoid those areas. because right now it's too dangerous. >> and a warning for spring bakers. after kidnappings, murders, and the disappearance of three women. (speaking non-english) class, russian wives and mothers.

tonight calling on vladimir putin to stop sending their sons to be slaughtered. and why it's never too late for the dream. >> we took a vote and we feel the president will be a valuable asset to our organization. >> i just want to say thank you for this acknowledgment. >> this, this is the american dream. >> let's go out front! good evening i'm erin burnett, welcome to the special edition of out front on this monday. a bank that was the gold standard for america's tech industry, poof, gone. tonight the biden administration stepping in to take over both the silicon valley bank and bank all the way on the other side of the country. new york's signature bank. so, tonight. was this a

bailout. by taxpayers. we'll end who is to blame. joining us now the house oversight and reform committee member, katie porter. democrat from california of course the state especially impacted by the silicon valley. the bank laps, and very well-known of course on capitol hill, holding financial institutions accountable, with your white boards and running from senate next year in your state as well. so, very much appreciate your time. i hope you've had a chance of their colleagues to be using that whitewashed, and explaining to them all of what's going on with the interest rate risk, and what happened in each of these cases. but today, again, congresswoman, regional bank stocks fall to record lows. despite the president coming out and speaking. and saying deposits are safe. do you think we're at risk for bank crimes? >> i certainly hope not. i think we can take steps, legislative, way to try and prevent these kinds of bank failures in the first. place once you get into them. there are no good solutions. it's just a choice among difficult choices. so, i think we can make sure that banks have more capital. and to be clear, we did that after this exact size of bank. and then wall street

goes to work. lobbying in washington journal have, in 2018, republicans in control of the house in the senate -- excuse me and they go ahead and democrats joined with them. many of them 30 democrats in the house, 16 in the senate, and they roll back these capital holding requirements. so, this was preventable. both through better regulation and frankly through better decision-making at the bank. >> so, you talk about the regional. bank and some of the regulation. they're one of the things that really i find amazing, having covered that financial crisis as well. was the four letter word was, tb to diab, too big to fail, these banks, the biggest ones were too big to fail. they needed to be broken up. and that was the big part of systemic risk in the system. since, than the four biggest banks in the united states have doubled in size, just. about 89% according to latest data from the federal reserve. congresswoman, i'm curious to your point of. you were here and now that if you put your deposits in those banks, some talking wells fargo, citigroup of america, jpmorgan

chase, you're fine? everywhere else you got to be worried. but not there? do you think those four biggest bags at this point are still part of the problem to be broken up? >>, while those four biggest banks because of -- do as you know, air, and have more stringent capital holding requirements. but to be clear any bank can get into trouble if enough banks all go wrong and just the right way. i don't think depositors should be moving their money. into those for banks thinking that there necessarily safer. i think there are a lot of credit unions and very small community banks that simply do what the silicon valley banks weren't willing to do. which is the

smaller banks credit unions, they focus on the finance fundamentals on remembering things like interest rates go up and down. rather than on the bottom line. and being pressured by shareholders. i don't necessarily think the solution is to move your money to those four or to any other place. but i will say the bigger a bank, gets the more systematic affected has. i think what happen is we're so focused on the too big to fail not a lot of us were saying, yes, big number 11. big number 30. bank number 75. if you're a deposit or. it's too big to fail in your life. in your business. and that's what we saw this weekend. >> are we had a point now as a country, and i say this with a caveat, obviously most people don't have $200,000 in savings. if the fdic limits, they're the government observes, they'll be fine. but the bank and banks to make our poll role for small and local companies. there are four having the deposit pc matters, and a matter significantly. it appeared from president biden said today, congresswoman, he said you're deposits are safe. did you read that as a blanket that the u.s.

government will provide a backstop in all cases, for all banks? >> well, i think that's what is happening as a practical matter with silicon valley bank. and so what that does is it creates the expectation that that will be trouble. when you add that to what president biden says. i think that's where people began to think the market is. and the rules are going to be. but to be clear, it's of the to congress. this fda seeing insurance agent was already raised from 100,000 to 250,000. i had a lot of calls with democrats, saying that this is ridiculous, the limit should be unlimited. it should be like 20 million. the point of that deposit limit has never been to insulate anybody from any amount of risk. it's not what it does. >> but isn't that exactly what's happening now? are you saying you do not think it's a good idea for what they've done right now? which is a very clear --

>> we need to be there >> -- that backache guarantee of all deposits of any sized amount humbug. we need to be very clear it's not free. it comes with a cost. the insurance isn't free. it's paid. for by the positive hours. so, what we'd really be doing is saying that everybody is going to pay for it. i don't think that's a decision that the president, or the federal reserve in a moment of crisis should be making. i think this is actually should be a deliberative -- >> it sounds like you would be willing to consider it, think about, be nuance. but at the moment, what we're doing that and do you agree with what she lab are, what the app -- the presidents obama and trump, volitional boma, sorry what she just said to me, she was clear, confident using the word bail out what you're describing is, we're bailing. out this is a bailout. depositors, taxpayers

are gonna pay for? >> but we don't know quite exactly at with silicon valley bank, and with silver, case to what extent taxpayers will be on the hook. i think we don't have any indication that will necessarily be the case. to be clear, the deposit insurance fund, which is going to be used is paid for by tax on bank deposits. guess what, all of us tech payers we also have deposit accounts that we pay for. i think this is not a traditional situation and watch the traditional use of the term where we're talking about the executive doesn't get held accountable. our people get let off the. hook it's not what's happening yet. and i hope it doesn't happen. will fight like to make sure doesn't happen. i think here, or trying to use the deposit insurance fund tool that it wasn't designed. four and giving that we're creating a precedent. lead us into fundamentally rethinking and re-structuring how we do banking in this country. >> certainly, this gives

anybody watching a lot food for thought in the details. representative porter, we appreciate talking to you. >> thank. you >> all, right as you heard there congresswoman katie porter. now we turn to former trump chief economic adviser, gary colin. and former president and ceo of one of the biggest banks in the country, goldman sachs. and head of the economic council. gary, let me ask you what the conversation there i just had with miss porter. do you agree with the use bailout? >> no, i. down at the end of the, day i think the president made it clear. -- that the taxpayers won't pay anything for this. but i think they'll work over 100 percent of the money that they need to spend if they need to spend. anything >> what about the depositors

who are the taxpayers? >> the land making money. remember, in the situation they equities been wiped down, the bombs have been wiped out. the trust has been wiped out. capital structures have been wiped. out when you end up liquidating the asset portfolio of the bank, there will be excess capital. that's most likely the scenario. ran in someone's gonna and that excess capital. >> is there any chance that it's the depositor? >> no, i don't think there's any chance that it's depositor. >>, so that maybe i'm missing it but to me that's the positive one -- to get this backstop. and they're the ones that are gonna get the benefit of the? upside >> the deposit in the united states is always chosen to pay the -- tax. they have the insurance in play. that's not changed. we're not gonna give depositors back any tax. that excess return on the balance sheet of that resolve bank, it will end up going to the government. who stood in to make deposits good. that's the

return on the risk they're taking right. now >> all, right so now the other issue. she raised, don frank, she was clear that she had supported roland back some of the regulation, specifically that pertain to regional banks. by the way, lauren -- on the board of signature bank. one of the ones that went under this weekend. you supported rolling these back. as she said a lot of democrats did about the senate and. how she was clear about that. do you think it was a mistake as she does? >> no i don't. at the end of the day we had an old-fashioned bank -- and we have bank runs. if we didn't have banquets we wouldn't have the fdic. we have deposit interest protect deposits as lennon if we have bank. runs and, so when you have a bank run, it means that the depositors want their money back. thanks erin business to drive economic growth and went out their money. the u.s. economy is based on banks lending. we lend money to buy houses, we lend money to buy cars. we lend money for credit cards. >> and they landed out for other purposes. >> and if we don't have deposits, we don't have banks ability to land and stimulate economic growth. >> right, but in terms of what she's talking. about some of these ranking regulations have

been in place would've prevented what happened from happening. do you see merit in? that >> i don't. because as i said, the bank had a big capital reserve. >> we're talking about silicon valley bank? >> i'm talking -- >> we have two different, polls i don't the of liquidity which the ability to meet the depositors who want to take money. out and you have capital. which is the equity. the capitals not necessary liquidity. how much capital you has doesn't help you meet deposited a band. we need to understand what these two things are. capital makes you have the ability to observe the law says. >> okay, it's true. but the safest silicon valley bank. rising interest rate environment, rates are going up quickly and more quickly than people thought. i wouldn't say unexpectedly. but more quickly than people thought. they take their deposits and then they went out and they bought longer duration stuff. and it couldn't liquidated when people wanted the deposits back. could regulation have stop that and not just entire management? >> no bank can deliver back all of their deposits at once. it's not the way banks are designed.

banks taken overnight amanda posits, they land for 30 year mortgages, automobiles, they line for credit cards, and that's how we grow our economy. banks aren't design to have everyone's cash on hand. every day to have. it you need to have something called a high quality liquid asset test. >> of what you can get. quickly >> these bags pastor high quality liquid acid test. which is a ratio of how much cast you have on hand. to what is. the statistical probability of how much cash that will leave the bank. >> and they all. pass >> they all. past >> one other point that's coming up in some conservative circles govern around desantis, he saying that this is because of dei. diversity equity and inclusion. at this bank focused on that. as opposed to running the bank. you actually made the argument that he's wrong. you actually said in terms of these basic things, they were aligned. so, what you make a political talking point like that.?

>> i think there's a lot of people that want to get in and create costs in effect. we have time for that i lived through a lot of crises. and it's very easy to know what when wrong the day after the crisis is over. it's very different to know what's going wrong before you had the crisis. i think it's kind of early for people to be throwing stones. here i really do. what we need tundra stand is that the federal government stepped in. the guaranteed the deposits. they've allowed the banking system to function in the united states. they've allowed banks to continue to extend credit. they've allowed the economy to continue to grow and function. and the normal fashion meant that we used -- to that's really important. they've done it for a year. or, so we've got a year to fix this situation. over the course of a year, will learn a lot more facts. we'll have a lot more opinions over what. happened and i guarantee you regulate for whatever went wrong this time. but next time, it'll be something -- >> certainly appears to be the.

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ever better. >> donald trump turning on a chance to testify before a new york grand jury. as his lawyers whale against an indictment that hasn't happened. >> he made this with personal funds, to prevent something coming out false an embarrassing to himself, his family, his young son. it's not a campaign finance violation. not by any stretch. >> a decision on whether to charge the former president over hush money payments to adult film star, stormy daniels appears eminent. karen freedom, and is up front now. she worked in the prosecutors office with the previous da chose not to press charges. so, you have a perspective on this that very few people in the world. so where we are in a situation before with a previous da didn't press charges, we

uprooted situation right now where they're going to be charges. this appears all but certain at this. point do think they'll really do? >> yeah, and occasions are that that is about to be indicted. i would say in the next week or two. >> and the next week or two. there is wood, well and should. so, you've obviously been in the office when there's been different decisions. do you think they should do, is this system? arturo's happening of the statute of limitations is about to run. i think in. maybe that's what they're up against. they were also been investigating a case long after i left the office. they may have come up with more evidence, more information here,

michael cohen is someone who you need to cooperate everything the says. because he has convictions for things like lying, et cetera. so i don't know what other evidence they have to cooperate, him but i believe the fact that they're about task of grandeur e to indict, that it shows that they do have beyond a reasonable doubt, they have -- you >> believe they got the. goods okay, then, tell me what happens. this indictment comes the next leader or to. what happens to trump. >> trump will have to appear before a judge in the manhattan supreme court. the supreme court is actually the lowest court in new york. that's what they call. it that's the trial level.

quite laugh to appear there. but go before a judge, it's likely that he'll be guided for multiple theories under falsifying a business records. which is a felony. it's not eligible for bail, no one will even asked for bail in this particular matter. will be closed with the charges. our and i'm sure he'll then do it he does always which is he'll make several legal plates elegiac things on and on i don't see this going to trial in less than a year. >> so, that's significant. and that obviously if you talk about less than a year it's gonna put about a year area right after iowa year in the heart of presidential season but it sounds like what you're saying is obviously don't know what the information they have what they will cooperate. but you're saying that you don't believe that they'd be doing this unless they felt they had. it they had a clear and their view slam dunk case. >> i wouldn't say slam dunk. but they feel that they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. there's no such thing as a slam dunk criminal case. there is up to a jury to see how people do, but the credibility is at trial.

but if they feel they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt they wouldn't be doing this extraordinary. thing which is indicting the for sometime. and which will be of many. a former president. >> let me ask you about, that, obviously there's the politics of. this which is that not your area. but of this one possibly coming first ahead of say by -- january six, or fulton county, georgia, overturning the election. but it sounds like from your prospect, out they'll be more than just this indictment. >> yeah, going to see, you're gonna see alvin bragg, mindy break and the stormy daniels case. first then i see you're gonna see potentially see the fulton

county, fani willis and georgia case. then jack smith is gonna bring either the mar-a-lago documents case and or the jan sixth insurrection. i still think we need to listen, take alvin brad for his word, that his investigations into the assets of the trump organization and donald trump is still ongoing. we could see those charges being brought at some point in the future as well. >> all of this coming in the middle of political cycle. it's incredible. it's unprecedented for former president to be indicted. and you're talking about multiple puddle indictments. karen friedman agnifilo thank you very. imagine the threat of criminal charges looms as trump campaigns in the first primary state of iowa. , so as i said, he'd be the first major presidential candidate to.

run while under indictment. if he is charged in the new york, never mind those other cases. out front with me is von banner, plant president of influential iowa christian. group bob, we appreciate talking to you. again it's nice to see. you even through the screen. let me just start off here with this indictment. which appears to be a pretty much a done deal. we'll see what actually happens, here but it seems that this is gonna happen. it's gonna happen very soon. would formal charges overpaying off a porn star, stormy daniels, affect traps standing with iowa christian republicans were so crucial in that caucus? >> i think what you're seeing regarding indictment are non indictment is that iowa is very open. you're seeing that as they welcome ambassador nikki haley

to the state. or tim scott to the state. or -- what governor ron desantis. our mike pompeo or mike pence. it's a very open. field the governor reynolds, she's not endorsing right now former governor terry brand status. said he's not endorsing -- all those indicators show that they're open to somebody other than donald. trump and so will let the indictment stuff play itself out about all this is gonna be weighed in politically, as you well, now air. and in regards to who could win in 2024. and that's gonna be part of the calculation. here >>, slow in that context are talking about a wand open field what do you think about trump's visit to iowa, his decision to run again? >> it's totally his dissemination. should he run are not run. that's what he wants to do, he's already made that decision

to go ahead. i think what you're seeing even in the poll numbers with rhonda sanchez against president trump, you're seeing desantis polling really well. des moines register came out with a poll that showing trump 's numbers are rotating. and it's not just good for a run -- all the candidates. cars what's is that there's an appetite for somebody not named donald trump in this process. that being the case, right now the former president would be our nominee of this many candidates remained in the race. just because of the power of division. he has a very solidified base. i think what's gonna have to happen is -- lesson at some. 0. 1 and one or two on one you have a shot for a different nominee. but if it's one sheffield of ten, it's donald. trump >> it's interesting, you talk about how solid is based. years or making it very clear

that he may be willing to move on from trump. there's so many republicans in iowa, who are saying things like this. here it is. >> no one else but trump. trump or death. -- besides. florida >> rhonda sanchez is an awesome governor. i love him as governor. i think it's not as. time >> trump's the only one! >> they're loyal bob, they're the whale. >> there's a loyal base, no doubt. that's why said he's gonna have 20 25% of that bass walked. who believe donald trump's their guy. they like what he did. they like to see him in office again. what we're taking a look at the calculation of who could win in 2020. for the key to governing as you need to win. and that's why i really believe that. it's good to celebrate all the things that the former president did. as our ministration did but now let's turn the page to another generational leader whoever that might be. to carry the baton forward, and let the movement move on that way. >> is there room for ron desantis, you've indicated -- but if he doesn't take trump on, on the things that make trump trump. i'm talking about the election denialism. the cultural wars that ron desantis talks. about he studiously avoided taking trump on those. if he's gonna when he's gonna need to do. that wears the lane? >> well what it is right now is that you're very learning in the campaign process. you know how these things work. when your nine, ten months everybody is kind of playing nice. no one wants to offend anyone. but the closer and closer you

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what some ukrainian troops are up against in the relentless battle for bakhmut. one deputy commander telling cnn that his units are literally jumping into russian trenches to regain ground. it is truly hand-to-hand combat. while russian forces are closing in on bakhmut center, keep in mind it's a battle that's been going on for months, that they said would be a couple. weeks a spokesman for ukraine's eastman commands that that wagner lemon units rcep staining losses. the recording more than 200 russian soldiers dead in 24 hours, hundreds more wounded. western officials say the wagner units are running on a manpower. and likely have lost access to president online conflict with russia's defense ministry. wagner reportedly turning to sports clubs and gyms and russia to try and get new recruits. the mounting losses are prompting a group of russian wives, mothers to call on putin to stop sending their loved ones to war. pleading them for to avoid lamps this. otter joining me now is secretary of defense, mark

esper. secretary, we appreciate your time. i want to ask about this video, these are russian women. they say their loved ones were forced to join assault groups after only four days of training. obviously, can't independently verify the claims. but as you, know it's very consistent with other videos that we share daily with our audience. does putin, secretary, have any shortage right now? what do you believe of potential recruits at this point? >> well, i would think. so reports from the uk ministry of defense said that he's committed up to 90% of his ground forces in ukraine. and we know you mentioned the wagner group, of their 50,000 soldiers 40,000 of them are convex. that they took from prisons. and the recruiting jab last year, they pulled in 300,000 fold soldiers. but don't equal amount we think

left the country. it's a real bad situation. what they're doing what these young recruits, sending them into battle without much training, or any equipment. it's really immoral, and at some point the russian people need to get fed up of what's happening here. having their young man sent to the sneak grinder called ukraine. >> we've obtained a letter, secretary, from a russian soldier that was first obtained by an independent russian journalist. and i've got it here, it reads, quote the enemy is splitting us out like sunflower seeds, everywhere, around u s they

deceive us. there's no truth anywhere. we've been set like lambs to the slaughter, to our eminent data. >> we saw corpses, mutilated people without arms and legs, with their guts hanging out. what is your reaction to, or looking at this, seeing this in print, in a soldiers frankly incredibly precise and -- >>, while it really is a killing field over there. and that in particular, reports are ever ukrainian that forever ukrainian that scale there's 5 to 7 russian soldiers. ukrainians report that russian soldiers are stacking up like logs. a court of law on the battlefield. that wagner commanders are telling their troops if you don't advance will shoot you when you come back. it's really a moral what's happening there and it's a terrible situation in the ukrainians are fighting for their country, their sovereignty.

they're fighting to, when they're winning. but what's happening to this generation of russian man is just a pro bowl. i'm afraid it's only gonna get worse. at some, point the ukrainians are not challenge the counteroffensive, maybe in april or may. and it's gonna push the russians to appoint weather gonna have to conscript more and more of men from the country. >> this is happening as within russia. there's now some sort of civil war. obviously, i'm not using formally. but the institute for the study of war says the russian defense minister, they say is, quote likely seizing the opportunity to deliberately expand both the elite and combat wagner forces in bakhmut. in an effort to weaken prigozhin, obviously the leader of the wagner group. and derail the at -- greater influence of the kremlin. basically saying the russian military is purposely trying to get wagner forces killed off,

russians trying to get russians killed off in the battlefield. all mass. if you just take a step back does this shock you at all to see to know something like this is happening? >> while, on the one handed a. shocking then the other it's not surprising prigozhin of course has been an enemy of many within the ministry defense. given his critiques all the way up to the chain of command with my former counterpart, sergei shoigu. he's searching for influence within the kremlin, trying to work his way closer to vladimir down. what's interesting to, it's prigozhin's from the battlefield, he said he's trying to call the kremlin, and the kremlin romance. or it's curious as to what's going on within the country right now. the tackle the young boys being slaughtered. unfortunately, it seems putin sending the ethnic minorities across all of russia, not the young man in moscow, or around moscow to the. it's really the ethnic minorities that make up a large populate portion of the russian population. >> of course as all this happened, to get more safer rolling out of moscow, the ongoing threat of some sort of nuclear escalation. here you have the situation obviously rising tensions with china. and miss contacts, former president trump as i mentioned campaigning tonight in iowa. he said something, i want to play it for you. >> standing before you today, i'm the only candidate who can make this promise. i will prevent world war iii. because i really believe, we're going to have world war iii. >> you know, he served under him as president, once the

reaction to the? >> i don't think we're gonna world war iii. nobody wants world war iii. look, more and on the republican party identifying slate of nominees in the republican primary. the take on president trump as well. many of them are very capable, i've argued that i think we need a new generation of leaders from both parties. and so, i'm hoping one of those younger leaders will rise up within the gop. and i'm hopeful for the nomination contest this year. >> mark esper, thank you very. much we appreciate your time, secretary. >> thanks, erin. >>, next how dangerous is mexico? there is a new warning from safety officials on the american side of the border. tandy when thinking of going there for spring break. and newly uncovered messages from one of tucker of -- providing a window into the house -- behind the scenes felt about the viewers, that they were lying to. that's next. supports cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say... ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver.

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especially with the most recent events that took place in matarazzo now with 3 women that are missing from a small border community here in south texas. they've been missing for 2 weeks. it's very dangerous right now, knowing that, we've got to keep in mind that there are 2 rival cartels that are fighting each other over territory, over drug smuggling routes. also the mexican military as well, they represent a dangerous situation for anyone crossing into these border towns in mexico. >> the u.s. state department is telling americans to avoid much of mexico. when they talk about the popular spring break locations like cancun, to lose, they labeled those just exercise increased caution. they're not saying to avoid them. is that a mistake in your view? >> well i wouldn't say it's a mistake, but of caution is very clear at the state level we have a strong message and that is to avoid any portion of mexico, now we do know that many americans have traveled to these results such as cancun and maybe have traveled without

incidents. we can't ignore the wrists especially now with the cartels having a heavy influence in mexico, even in the resorts. there is cartel presence in the resorts. but again, those that you want to travel to the specific locations, all we can say it all we can strongly encourage is to contact the u.s. consulate. travel in groups, be aware of your surroundings. be vigilant. always keep track of updated potential threats about specific areas if you do think about traveling to specific resorts. >> you just mentioned those cartels that are in a turf war, as you describe it, right now. republican senator louis the gram recently proposed a new plan for the united states overall to go after cartels. to designate them a foreign terrorist -- once you do that, that would then allow you to, quote, give the military the authority to go after these organizations wherever they exist. now to invade mexico, not to shoot mexican airplanes down, but to destroy drug labs that are poisoning americans. making it clear he's trying to say it's not an invasion, but you can go into mexico. the u.s. military could do that to combat this. do you think that the united states military, lieutenant, should be going after the cartels directly on

mexican soil? >> aaron, i could tell you for a fact we need to designate the mexican drug cartels organization. it's long overdue. we did so at the state level when -- last year. i think it's a step in the wrong direction. we know for a fact that mexico is not going to partake or even participate, or even want to grab these organizations. it's gonna be an uphill battle, it's gonna be challenging, -- to gather intelligence. these chemical labs in mexico to reduce the flow of -- that's coming across our borders. as i mentioned, it's gonna be an uphill battle especially dealing with the mexican border -- to go into mexico throughout these organizations. it's a foreseeable challenge, but again, we have to see what happens. i think the first step is designating these cartels as terrorist organizations. >> lieutenant, thank you very, much -- i appreciate your time. >> appreciate it erin, thank you very much. >> next, a text exchange that

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and privately trash them behind the scenes. all read you this exchange. it's between bradshaw and alex viper, former producer for tucker carlson. rashad texts fought for, you might want to address this. this stuff is so insane. but we're going to the tune of millions come on. alex fighter response, is it even worth addressing again tonight. it is so insane that our viewers believe it. -- 5-4 goes on later in this exchange and says this whole thing is surreal like negotiating with terrorists. but especially dame ones. cousin, redacted, types, not saudi royalty. this really highlights what they thought about trump's election lies. privately trashing them behind the scenes, but entertaining them on air. because the audience wanted it. >> wow, it is pretty incredible. saying directly to, you say raj shah, she was of

course with team trump. what they thought about it. making it very clear what they thought about it. so what else have you learned through these internal messages that have been combing through them about the fox executives. right? we're seeing this at the shell level. but what about fox executives, their involvement, their acquiescence, their support of this. >> this really saturated -- at a producer level, a house level, from the fox news executive ranks. and also from the fox corporation rights. i think that's what's so interesting. raj shah, former white house spokesperson turned fox corporate executive, he's at the parent company. he has this brand team, supposedly, and they're flagging instances which they think are threatening to the fox brand. those instances actually tend to be when anchors, like neil coto, would fact-check trump's election lies on air. >> she did. >> that was considered to raj shah a threat to the fox brandt. it's not just fox news executives, it's fox corporation. i raj shah, rupert murdoch, -- they didn't want critical coverage of trump. they made that very clear to their subordinates. >> they went all the way to the top. thank you very much,

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[speaking non-english] >> i'm setting booby traps. >> but, after years of being off the big screen, he had lost his health insurance. ke huy quan, won an oscar last night for supporting actor. and, it just so happens that he appeared in a movie more than 30 years ago with another actor who also won an oscar last night and who also had been down and out of times. spent time away from hollywood. >> we took a vote and the computer club feels that the president was a valuable asset to our organization. >> computer club, computer club, computer club! >> on my god! we did it, we did it, we did it! wow! >> that man, brandon frazier, who won best actor for his role in the whale. >> so, this is what the multi

verse looks like. oh my goodness. i think the academy for this. >> the emotions, you, know the two stars and their comeback stories proving that it's never too late for anyone. >> they say stories like this only happen in the movies. i cannot believe it's happening to me. this, this is the american dream. >> and, it is his real life. we all celebrated and congratulated. thank you so much for watching this special addition of upfront. hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world. i am rosemary church. just ahead on cnn newsroom, winter storms bearing down on both coast in the u.s.. one syst