he had that $700,000 personal loan and then it was questionable, did it come from him? did it come from somewhere else? where did it come from, what some investigations are looking into, separately there's this house ethics investigation that's looking into a number of issues including his finances but also we learned today wolf, we already knew that they would be looking into allegations of sexual harassment from a potential staff member, we learned today they're moving forward with that, collecting evidence, this is ongoing situation, the bottom line, he's set up to run if he chooses to in 2024. >> jessica dean thank you for that update and viewers thanks for watching i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room, erin burnett out front starts now. ♪. ♪. ♪. out front, sounding the alarm about america's bank moody

downgrading the outlook for entire banking sector warning of rapid deterioration, my exclusive interview with a senior chairman and former ceo of goldman sachs is next. a russian fighter jet forces an american drone to crash into the black sea, fears growing of escalation as the battle in bakhmut intensifies further, a ukrainian soldier on the front lines is my guest the tonight. and ron desantis does a complete 180, florida governor says backing ukraine is not in america's best interest. it is the opposite of what he said when he was in congress. you will hear for yourself what the kfile found. let's go out front. >> good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front, rapid deterioration those are the words used by the bond credit rating king moody, how they're describing the bank sector in the united states downgrading outlook from american banks to negative. warning of sharply rising deposit costs and go on to say,

quote, pressures will persist and be exacerbated by more increases in interest rates. and here's the thing, moody views matter. they're rating impact the prices that banks pay to do business. the price of loans. and moody is sounding the alarm after bank failures began with silicon valley bank something that the chair of the banking committee said today requires more government action. >> we clearly need stronger capitol standards, we clearly need stronger liquidity standards, clearly need to do the strength and the stress test. >> and the stress is still rising. the fed is preparing to possibly raise interest rates again next week. and the aggressive hikes we've seen the past months have come at a pace that we have not seen in american history in 40 years. and that increase in interest rates we're at the heart of silicon valley bank's problems, as economic analyst school system bianca company pointed

out. it was six days ago trader it's thought there was an 80% chance we would get another increase in interest rates of half a percentage point next week, as of yesterday, there was almost an even chance that the fed might cut rates. rate is changing day by day but this is the whiplash that we're talking about here. and it can lead to more volatility. no one understands the situation, the health of the u.s. bank system better than lloyd, the former ceo of goldman sachs i'll speak exclusively with him in a moment his first interview since silicon valley bank collapsed comes after the justice department and securities and exchange commission are investigating silicon valley bank, shareholders are suing the bank and tough executives like the ceo greg becker according to riders and this has come to light less than two weeks before svb collapse, becker sold 3.6 million dollars in shares, according to bar rons, anyone else that would be worth 0, also

pressed congress in 2015 to exempt silicon valley bank because of the low business acts. congress ultimately did just that. few months ago, becker was touting the strength of svb and prospects for the future. >> we're feeling good about this the situation with the position we're in right now our balance sheet capitol ratio liquid di never been stronger. >> you would think becker could have known better after all, this is a sophisticated guy. he held a prestigious position on the board of directors of the san francisco federal reserve. right? that is until svb failed friday. now he's no longer on the board according to a fed spokesperson. nowhere to be found on the website for the board of directors. out front from the white house to begin coverage tonight and phil i know you're getting new information from your sources what are you learning >> it's interesting when you talk to senior administration officials who are involved in both the emergency deployment of facilities over the course.

last several days and watching the reaction to those efforts in last 48 hours, there is a sense that at least in the near term the acute crisis started to kind of take a step back from the press at this some underlying measurements they were looking at in terms of deposit out flows, access to liquidity we were talking about last night have taken greater hold that's a positive sign. you lay out the complex macrodynamics they will be forced to grapple with in the days ahead under scores the fact they make clear this isn't over, they're not out of the woods, they're cognizant of that and something president biden was cognizant of as he weighed the willingness to go forward on those emergency actions over the weekend. i'll told by several officials he was very clear he did not want this to be a 2008 bail-out wanted to insure if banks failed the executives would lose their jobs and there would also be very clear cut accountable saying that publically as well on monday, we're starting to get some signs of what that might look like.

at least the initial process kicking into gear, the justice department and securities and exchange commission announcing investigations into the collapse of silicon valley bank, we don't know the specifics yet and i'm told and stressed that it's a preliminary effort, that is largely what would happen after any major bank implosion, one thing sticks out, they're looking at shares sales, stock sales in the days and weeks leading up to the collapse of the bank not identifying any particular executives but obviously have an eye on them, there's a recognition here that there's a potential for wrongdoing and they're certainly looking into it now. >> thank you, very much, phil from the white house. and out front i want to have that exclusive conversation with milania blank bind the senior chairman of goldman sacks former ceo of the investment bank, i appreciate your time on this moody downgrade affects the entire u.s. banking sector and begs the question so many have, which is should possible move deposits to one of the big four banks now we're talking wells

fargo, bank of america, jp morgan, should they be moving deposits to one of those big banks now if they're in a small bank? >> i think really good evening. erin. i really don't think they need to. because of the action that the government has taken so far i think it would be very, very hard for a bank to go under at this point, they can take their securities they have and use them as collateral and get financing not only for the securities but including the losses on that security so they will have money. at the same time, if they do lose deposits, that those deposits they can borrow from the same money borrow from the fed but at a much higher rate. so to the extent that the banks had a margin, whatever they were makeing from investments versus what they were paying for deposits, they will be paying more for the money they get from the fed and so whatever, if it

was negative before, they're revenue might be a big negative, i can see at the same time, we're not afraid of the banks going under, the market may consider that the banks may not makes a much money and here the banks are the regional banks, which is the focus. >> i understand what you're saying, they will be there they may not makes a much money, there's implications for that. when you talk about what the government did. what the biden administration did was they avoid add broader banking crisis for you and basically did that by implying that every deposit in the united states is guaranteed. but you can't just a say that it comes at a cost and of course, lloyd if you had a mass bank run it wouldn't be true, now stuck, basically put it out there. what do you do now? was this the right way to handle this? ? well it was complicated first of all, there's no authority absent congress to make a blank guarantee. what they did was they have emergency power, but they basically said that any bank that threatens to go under because of a loss of the deposits they will consider that

an emergency so they will have, they will have the power to do that. and so that's what -- that's the source of the power. the consequences again, to that are i think they will save the microsoft, they will save the depositors, which i think is appropriate. and the -- and the employees, the shareholderses, the debt holds are free to get punished as they should be for negligence. >> and when it comes to greg becker the ceo of svb and the share sales, do you agree that's something should be looked into selling 3.6 million dollars in shares the past few weeks >> i certainly have no opinion about that, given what's happened, rest assured the justice department will take the as its mission as the sec to investigate every aspect of this >> you heard the senate banking committee he has a lot of influence, he said that more regulation is needed to stop

this from happening again. is he right? >> yes. smaller banks, regional and smaller banks are given the authority to extend the u.s. government's credit. and that credit has to be protected. whether it's a big bank or little bank. and so there's been a number of levels of scrutiny and regulation that applies depending how big the banks are, but i think at this point, we recognize that a 250 billion dollars bank is no small bank and you know perhaps a 50 billion dollars is no small bank. and even smaller ones i think there's going to be regulation that normally applies to the biggest banks will probably have to be extended and that regulation includes bigger stress tests, having more capitol, and other features that are generally make the system safer. >> i don't know if you heard but we have been hearing people make the argument that the svb collapse was actually because of

culture wars florida governor ron desantis obviously is expected to run for president. here's what he said. >> this bank they're so concerned with dei and politics and all kinds of stuff i think that really diverted from them focusing on their core mission. >> di of course stands for all diversity equity and inclusion programs and the wall street journal columnist randy kessler wrote in its proxy statement, svb notes that besides 91% of board being independent and fruf % women, they also have quote one black, one lgbtq plus and quote two veterans. i'm not saying 12 white men would have avoided this mess but the company may have been distracted by diversity demand end quote. do you agree? >> i don't think -- i would say it's pretty far in advance of the election but i would say if it gets hotter from here i can hardly imagine, the regulators

have their job, signs were missed in retrospect have to go over and see, always in hindsight you see the signals and you say my goodness they were hiding in plain sight. banks publish the unrailsed losses imbedded in their port feelyos it was there to be seen it wasn't -- it wasn't seen to be that dangerous given that the bank didn't have to sell any of those securities. but they certainly did once withdrawals started to be made. in hindsight it would appear to have been in plain sight, signals would have been missed but it became critical only when deposits were withdrawn and the banks needed to sell those out of the money securities in order to raise funds. >> to be clear when someone was saying they were too focused on putting a black or a gay person on the board, that seems silly to you. >> i'm not an expert in mass

psychology but i think that's very unlikely and frankly a bit laughable. >> i'll ask you about something else, one of the biggest power brokers and you've done a lot of business, russia, you met putin, you met with the president. one old gar recently warned quote there will be no money next year, we need foreign investors how dire do you think the situation is? do you think he's right? >> well, i think definitely losing -- they're spending more taking in, i would bet. i think you don't need an economist you need a historian would observe that russia has had the capacity over centuries to end deer a lot of pain in support what they considered their national objectives at the time they didn't didn't capitulate, i don't think they

will capitulate selling oil for ten cheaper to india and china. >> do you think putin himself is feeling pain from these sanctions at this point or no? >> i think the question is is it going to accomplish the objectives in a neared up term to be relevant? i agree we should have the sanctions to some degree if you keep having sanctions and have to get reluctant allies to go along with you, it may not be as powerful over the longer term. but the most important thing if not whether they affect him but affect him enough to reverse policy. your guess is -- i would bet it will take a long time. i think they have more endurance in this respect. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. next russian fighter jet takes down a u.s. drone, the u.s. air force calling it dangerous and reckless, i'll speak to a ukrainian fighter fighting on the front lines in

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a u.s. drone taken gown down by russia, the united states is demanding answers according to the defense department the russian jet intentionally flew alongside the drone. like this one, we'll show you drone just the same type for 30 to 40 minutes, dumped fuel and hit a propeller forced the united states to bring it down in the black sea. united states military calling it dangerous one could lead to unintended escalation, and they're claiming the fighter jet never came in contact with drone. live at the pentagon, natasha what are you learning. >> we're learn, that the pentagon is working to declassify video of the incident so the should be clearer whether the u.s. or russians are telling more accurate versions we're also learning more about the timeline about all this went

down, as you said the russian fighter jets were flying over the drone 30, 40 minutes over the black sea before they got close started dumping fuel and made contact with the propeller of the drone, thereby forcing the military to bring it down over international waters, the pentagon press secretary would not get into whether or not the russians have actually been searching for the drone in the black sea. but the white house actually said they have taken steps to protect u.s. equities and make sure that any sensitive technology including the drone does not fall into russian hands, however they would not go into more detail about what that looks like, importantly there were no communications between the u.s. and russia while this incident unfolded we're learning more about the meeting between the russian ambassador to the u.s. and the assistant secretary to the united states which last half hour they exchanged sharp views what happened the russian ambassador claiming that the russians do not the want confrontation with the united

states. but of course, we will get a fuller picture hopefully how this went down when that video is eventually released. >> it will be really important to see. thank you very much natasha from the pentagon tonight. and that confrontation such that it was between the u.s. and russia over the downed american drone comes as the fighting is intensifying in ukraine. in northern neighborhood in bakhmut, we have new video, and it shows fighters with russia's private army wagner taking shelter in industrial plant. take a look at this. >> tense of projectiles are striking every single day, an enormous amount of ammunition and it is restocked on daily basis. they're not letting our fighters raise their heads. >> well, the ones alive talking there are the lucky ones, the death toll for russia in eastern ukraine is unbelievable. we have a diary entry to share from a russian soldier, ukraine's defense ministry said they obtained it from a russian

soldier it says that it's got dates and death tolls, march 1st, 100 soldiers undertook an assault 16 remained, march 3rd, out of 116 soldiers 23 remained. march 4th, out of 105 soldiers 15 march 5th, 115, three remained, these of course are staggering losses for putin. my next guest is a ukrainian soldier, roman truck mats, he's been fighting along the front lines in bakhmut and documenting it. take a look at this. >> this is how we fight. it's not like some kind of movie it's our reality one state trying to raid another country. and that would be the soldiers. >> and out front now, roman, he was recently injured, he is now recovering and he joins me from just a few miles outside of

bakhmut tonight and these overnight hours in ukraine, roman you posted a picture with the caption lucky enough to return from held. and it has fixed in my memory, i can't unsee that picture as you were in bakhmut. what did you see when you were fighting there. >> uh, i see lots of lots of stuff. and i can't even describe the whole emotions why i tried to do video because sometimes you can't understand everything just looking for the -- it's really held on earth is what i can say. just few words. >> you posted videos of yourself in the trenches obviously the fighting is going on around you. so that we all can see some of what you're experiencing. the in the horrific hand hasn't combat you've been in the midst

of. what was your whole in bakhmut? i understand you're a sniper. >> first of all, i must commend my little group, 20 people, and also i'm fighting as a sniper, sometimes as anti-tank soldier, sometimes just regular infantry when it's closed bottle, like up to five meters between me and our enemies. so there's no sniper, it's ak and hand grenade. different tasks to do on the front line. >> roman, you talk about being so close to them. what is it like when you, i guess, look someone in the eye, so close like that, knowing that you have to kill them? >> you see, it's -- it's not

like that, it's -- you can't think of this moment, you just act. and if you -- if you become more quickly than your enemy you'll survive, that's all, so no thoughts, no thinking about my god, i can maybe kill somebody. you want to leave you have family, no, nothing. only if you're lucky enough to overcome your enemy in close battle you realize you save yourself and follows life and got rid of a encourager tried to kill or a rape civilians, that's all. >> you posted a video of an experience you had with wagner fighters. i am going to pay a clip of your video. >> i'm on the front line position near bakhmut.

getting ready with this. this big machine gun. and i sniper rifle we continue fighting for freedom. >> we have been hearing roman, about a lot of problems for wagner. that so many of them have been dying, they've been rushing into ukrainian forces and dying, they're running out of ammunition, what has your experience been fighting with the wagner forces? >> i don't even know how to describe it because when i first heard about the infinity going and going in position and not afraid to die, you know, i don't believe it's true. it's maybe somebody tell me about lord of the rings when they have infinity and the way they try to take position the

but when you face it, i can't believe it's true. i can't believe that people real person can run without afraid to die, without like no, but they see how the fellows falling down and they continue running. but when i realize their secret of success, i understand everything. they have, they have some units that stand near behind, and they shoot all of them who try to return. so wagner have only -- only one chance to survive is to take our position out trenches. they have no choice to return to the position, because they will be killed from their fellows. >> roman as we're talking tonight, i know you're recovering and you're going to be heading back to the front

lines, before the war you were a realtor. and you posted pictures of your family. do you have any idea when you'll be able to see your family again? >> ok, optimistically surviving the future battles, i think maybe few months, it will be possible. >> do you think about that moment? >> i'm sorry? >> do you think about seeing them, yes, sure. >> well >> you know, on the war, it's one of the, difficult things that you can't see your friends. you can't see your family, girls, you only see your fellows around and a little bit of civilians and enemies. so sometimes you're tired of

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. donald trump former attorney michael cohen making the second appearance tomorrow before a new york grand jury, key witness in case investigating a hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels the payment made days before the 2016 election. prosecutors handling the case are signalling that a criminal indictment for trump could be coming soon, former president slamming this case fund-raising e-mail today saying prosecutors are trying to quote destroy our maga movement. and his attorney is claiming trump himself is the victim in this case. >> president trump denied from day one having any fair with this woman, she came out before the election and said unless you pay me, i'm going to make a public story about something that he says is completely untrue. >> up front the former trump white house lawyer ty cobb, we

talked so much about all of the legal troubles that the possible indictments that the former president may be facing. as you see trump and his lawyer there ramping up public attacks on this specific case, where do you think we are? do you think an indictment is imminent for donald trump here? >> i do think an indictment is imminent based on the recent reporting and the grand jury activity. i'm not sure this is the best case to lead with. i'm not sure it will have that great an impact on him. but yes, i do, i do hear the president and joe talking about the president as the alleged victim here, and that's -- that's trump at his best. >> you know, obviously, he didn't testify before the grand jury, if indicted he will have to appear in court. but would you, do you think that was the right thing to do for him not to appear before this grand jury? >> absolutely.

i mean, you know, any first year law student criminal practice would -- would advise the president not to show up in front of a grand jury particularly in the case where the proof problems that the prosecution has you know, they're not overwhelming but they're -- there are problems in terms of how this case will be presented to a jury. >> so just to be clear, none of this is deterring trump from running for reelection, in fact, seems to be encouraging him, if he gets back in office he would be immune to any of these indictments end up with convictions. here's what he said in why last night >> we stand up to the crooked democrat prosecutors all overtime country, if i fly over state that happens to be democratic, let's call them into a grand jury, they have never nobody has ever weaponized like this group of people. they're maniacs.

>> you know him well. you know how he handles these sorts of you know, situations. do you think there's anything that would stop him from running legally? i guess also separate from that, ty, does this give him oxygen? >> so those are if questions, i will say that that tape cuts sort of right out of the dsm 5 on narcissim. we'll hear a lot of that if he is charged. i don't believe that this case or even the georgia case however that turns out whether charges are brought, whether they include him, will deter him from his run. i'm not sure either would have a lot of impact as the, as the consequences certainly the new york case, while a little bit hard to estimate don't appear to be very serious i think it's highly unlikely, you know, he

could go to jail in connection with contemplated charges in new york. i do think when the federal government comes forward with what i believe will be an indictment over the instruction of the january 6 proceeding involving vice president pence and quite likely defrauding the united states charge as well, i do think that will have political consequences for him. it will freeze his donors. you know, there are many passionate supporters out there and people willing to ride with him for awhile. but at that point, he'll be asking for so much money that they will be a lot of checks and balances on the donor side i think will halt his ability to raise funds. >> well, ty cobb thank you very much, that's interesting as you point out it's the political

implications of this could come from that as opposed to the stormy daniels very likely indictment at this point. thank you so much. and next ron desantis >> nice to be with you. next, ron desantis says protecting ukraine is not vital to the united states. the thing is our k file looked into it. guess what he said when he was in congress? ♪. ♪. >> we in the congress have been urging president i've been to provide arms to ukraine. >> shots fired in a college campus, students race fog r cover, this is how police in schools are training for mass shootings america and we'll take you inside these drills. ♪.. ♪. ♪. the united states postal service. ♪ ♪

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. tonight, the will the real ron desantis please stand up ron desantis doing a one 80, he's aligning himself with donald trump coming to support for ukraine, saying while the u.s. has national interest becoming further entangled between ukraine and russia is not one. this puts him as odds with many republicans including florida senator marco rubio >> territorial dispute if the united states wanted say, canada or take over the bahamas, i don't know what he's trying to

do. i'm not sure, i can't speak to, i can't compare that to something else he did or said. >> well, we can compare it to something else he did or said. because ron desantis is completely at odds, we found the k. file filing him saying on tape on file when in congress, here's ron desantis. >> we in the congress have been urging united states, i've been to provide arms to ukraine. they want to fight their good fight, they're not asking us to fight it for them. and the president has steadfastly refused i think that's a mistake. >> no lack of clarity about what he believed. up front andrew the senior editor of kfile and you and your team found this. when it comes to is an at his and his stance on ukraine he was perfectly happen to talk about it at length. a lot more. >> i think what people need to

understand about ron desantis's policy views, he was hawkish this goes back to before his first campaign for congress in his book. he when america first isolations view that we see more on the republican party, that was not ron desantis, he had a foreign policy that aligned much more with somebody like mitt romney when that invasion of crimea happened desantis said that the u.s. had common cause in one of the interviews we looked away the ukrainian >> common cause. >> we found that time and time again, his voting record was also in support of ukraine. he voted for this resolution calling for russia to withdraw, supported legislation author, aid to them. repeatedly. >> old gars. >> co sponsoring, he voted

against implementing the start missile defense treaty until russia withdrew from the region, it was his votes and words, take a listen what else he was saying. >> couple years ago, obama was refusing to provide lethal aid to ukraine, they were trying to do a reset, the democrats viewed guy like me who were more of the reagan school that's tough on russia, as kind of throw back to say the cold war, criticized mitt romney in 2012, all of a sudden because they're using it against trump, they're so concerned about russia. what vladimir putin sees is he sees weakness, a president that's not serious, and so he knows he can get away with things there. i think if we had a policy which i was firm, which armed ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons they could defend themselves i think putin would make different calculations >> this is incredible i think it's important to point out because this isn't like he just was asked and didn't know what

to say. this is something he thought about, he cared about and he repeatedly wanted to talk about and go to interviews about. >> this was i mean, a common position in the republican parties to obama was weak on russia, but we saw in that first clip where he said they want to fight the good fight. he's talking about them fighting russia. then we saw it in that other clip, where he's talking about you know, arming them with not just defensive weapons, with offensive weapons they can take the fight to russia. >> now he's changed had us >> why has he changed? why? you know, donald trump and republican primary voters, take a look at this poll from pugh early when this invasion happen 9% of republicans that was the we were giving too much aid to ukraine, that's up to 40% now, and you know, looks like we're going to be seeing those numbers possibly even going up more. >> i guess point of view by palm. thank you very much. and it was amazing means to find

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