>> thanks so much for joining us. you can watch "outfront" anytime, anywhere. it's time for ac 360 with anderson. good evening. ever since the start of the cold

war, the u.s. and russia have had confrontations at air and sea. these incounters have only rarely blown up into serious incidents. that's because at least to some extent there are routines that are followed, less so for russia, everyone involved acts professionally. that was not the case today. an american reaper drone was intercepted by two russian fighters. it was damaged and then forced down. >> somebody could have gotten hurt. nobody wants to see that happen. and it could lead to miscalculations between two militaries that are operating not obviously in ukraine together, but certainly in proximity in the region. we don't want to see this war escalate beyond what it has already done to the ukrainian people, so this is clearly, this was inappropriate, unsafe, unprofessional conduct by the russian pilots. >> russia's ambassador to washington was summoned to the

state department. we'll also get perspective from mark hertling, but oren liebermann joins us from the pentagon. >> reporter: this all plays out early tuesday morning over international waters over the black sea when an mq-9 reaper drone is doing what it has done countless times before, not only over the course of the past year, but even before the war, that is surveilling the black sea and surrounding area. there's a video of the drone right there. that's when these two russian fighter jets tried to carry out an interception, an unsafe and unprofessional, even reckless interception, according to the u.s. fly in front of repeatedly this drone, and then dump jet fuel before colliding with the drone, according to the u.s., damaging the propeller and forcing the u.s. to take down its own drone over the black sea and into international waters there. the u.s. putting out some very harsh statements about how this played out and how reckless the russian fighter jets were

throughout the course of this intercept. in fact, not only dumping the jet fuel but also hitting the jet. that's the drone there that is, and that's why this is viewed with such severity. the russians putting out their own version of events saying in fact there was no collision and that the russian jets didn't shoot at the u.s. drone in any way, anderson. >> how long was the entire encounter, do we know, between the russian fighter jets and the drone? >> reporter: the pentagon says this played out over quite a long period of time. 30 to 40 minutes over international waters over the black sea. it is worth noting that it is, again, international air space, so the u.s. is allowed there and the russians are allowed there. and in fact, the national security council coordinator for strateging communications says there have been intercepts over the course of the recent weeks between russian aircraft and u.s. drones. so that's not the uncommon part. of course, the uncommon part, the in fact incredibly unusual part, is this collision that forced the u.s. to take down its

own drone. it is worth noting that john kirby told earlier today jake tapper that the u.s. has taken steps to protect its own equities. now, what exactly that means is unclear, whether that's some sort of self destruct or other step to make sure that this couldn't and didn't fall into russian hands. >> so do we know, has the drone been recovered? is that something they would try to do? >> it has not been. the u.s. has no naval assets in the black sea, nor has it had naval assets in the black sea for quite some time. so any sort of recovery effort would be incredibly difficult. now, it is worth noting, and this is an interesting step here, an interesting graphic if we can pull this up. the u.s. has repeatedly carried out missions, surveillance missions over the black sea, over the course of the past year. this is an example of that. this is just yesterday, a different kind of drone, an rq-4 global hawk flying repeatedly back and forth over the black sea. the thicker that line gets, the thicker that red line gets, the

flight track of this drone, the more times the drone was flying over the black sea. so it's not at all uncommon for the u.s. to be operating in international air space over the black sea. what is uncommon here is what the russians did next and that is one of the russian fighter jets colliding with a u.s. drone over the black sea. a potentially very escalatory step. the u.s., however, keeping the response in the diplomatic lane, although the national security council siz they will keep doing what they have every right to do, and that is fly u.s. drones in international air space over the black sea in the future as they have done repeatedly in the past. >> oren liebermann, appreciate it. >> next to phil mattingly at the white house. what is the white house saying about it? >> reporter: white house national security adviser jake sullivan briefed president biden this morning about what transpired over the black sea, and white house officials echoing what you heard, making very clear they have strong objections to what transpired, harsh language, sharp language, they're not trying to evilate

things at the moment. however, they are making clear that not only have they run flights like this over the course of the last year repeatedly, but the intercepts have happened fairly regularly as well. this particular intercept, however, and the fact this drone had to be taken down was called by john kirby reckless, unprofessional, unsafe, making clear this is an unacceptable action going forward. in terms of what the next steps may be, white house officials not trying to escalate things, trying to handle this in a diplomatic framing and make clear this is not an acceptable action and they don't believe that not only will this not change what they're doing over the black sea but this should not happen again. >> and the russian ambassador was summoned to the state department this afternoon. what is he saying? >> reporter: that's right. the state department summoning the russian ambassador to make clear according to the state department spokesman, there are strong objections to what transpired. the russians have said they're not at fault for this, giving a different version of events. a version of events the russian

ambassador conveyed to the state department official that he met with for just about a half hour. however, he did frame the conversation as constructive, said they weren't sieging any type of conflict or escalation going forward. it's worth noting that the state department, the ambassador to russia, the u.s. ambassador to russia also conveyed the objections in moscow to her counterparts there. so making very clear any diplomatic lane they have issues here, they have problems here. the russian ambassador saying they thought the conversation was constructive and making very clear they did not want escalation based on what happened, despite the fact that u.s. officials have been very clear about how reckless they view those actions, anderson. >> phil, thanks so much. joining us is general mark hertling. how big a deal is this in your view? >> it's a big deal, anderson. first, i'll separate it a little bit because nato has something called air policing, the nato air police mission. they scramble jets to intercept

russian airplanes coming in to nato air space, u.s. air space all the time. in fact, there were over 500 scrambles last year by nato air policing. what's unusual, though, is this closeness to a drone. the thing that's not mentioned is these drones fly very slowly. they're not something that can be intercepted well by a fast moving fighter aircraft, and to have this kind of experience and to knock it out of the sky is something that escalates things greatly. you know, it goes back to what john kirby was saying about how russian aircraft and their patrol craft are very unsafe, unprofessional, and untrained in the way they do some of these intercepts. it just shows itself in this kind of situation. >> he said these kind of intercepts are common, just the knocking out of the sky part, the actual physical contact is different. what is the purpose of

intercepting a drone? >> well, for intercepting a drone, the race track pattern picture that was showed, that drone was probably flying, clecl collecting intelligence either on russian ships or merchant ships coming out of odesa with grain as part of the embargo at this period of time. certainly the russians don't like that. they don't like people to know where their ships are. they don't like people to know what's going oin their area of operation. so this is not a killer drone. this is a drone that collects intelligence and communications. so they want it out of the area even though it's in international waters and has every right to be there doing the things that it's doing. so it's an intelligence collection platform, anderson. either on russian military operations or merchant operations to make sure that embargo goes as it's supposed to go. >> but a normal -- an intercept like that where there's not

physical contact, that doesn't drive the drone off its mission, does it? >> no, certainly not. but you have to remember, too, anderson, this isn't an aircraft that can kind of avoid other aircraft coming in their way. it doesn't have a pilot who can turn his head both ways or quickly maneuver a slow moving jet -- excuse me, a slow moving turbo engine plane out of the area. so to have two jets approach this thing and knock it off course just again shows the unsafe, unprofessional way the russians are doing business. you know, a drone isn't going to react like an f-16 does. where they can counter the maneuver, and those are the kind of aircraft that are usually intercepted, are scrambled when the russians and other nato forces get involved in these kinds of intercept missions. >> is this something that would have come from high up the chain of command in russia or could it have just been, you know, two pilots who were bored and or one rogue pilot? >> yeah, that's the first thing

that hit me. i kind of think that certainly, you know, patrol planes are out there looking for drones, looking for intelligence collection assets. the fact it collided, you know, i would put money -- give it vegas odds of 60/40 this was just an overanxious pilot who couldn't control his airplane or who did some really dumb things. i don't believe anybody ordered this pilot to do this. he may have gotten permission to dump fuel and get close, but to knock the drone out of the sky, that takes it up a notch. i tell you a quick story, anderson. when i was commander in the u.s. army in europe, we used to have conferences with our partners and i remember a general officer, not the commander, once telling me that one of his big concerns and big challenges in the area was how unsafe russian pilots were when they did these intercept missions. and he said, hey, one day we're going to have problems with this, and somebody is going to

get hurt. i'll never forget him saying that. that's directly from the mouth of an ex-f-16 pilot. >> this is unfolding as russa continues to bombard ukraine from the air, targeting civilian areas. let's go to eastern ukraine with ivan watson. i'm wondering if there is other reaction from this incident in russia? >> reporter: first, it was the defense ministry that confirmed this incident did in fact take place. and i'll repeat some of their arguments. they are saying, that is moscow, that the reaper, this unmanned aerial vehicle, was approaching crimea with its transponder off. and that the two russian jets were then scrambled. again, the russian defense ministry insisting that no weapons were used against the drone and that there was no contact whatsoever.

and there's a direct contradiction with what the pentagon has been saying has taken place there. i was also found it interesting that the russian ambassador specifically said russia does not want confrontation with the u.s. he did use some diplomatic language here, but he added that the fact that this drone was flying towards russian air space where russia has imposed rules in connection to what it calls its special military operation with the rest of the world calls its invasion of ukraine and the ongoing war here, and that was basically a provocation and that the russian jets responded. >> the kremlin has been making this argument what's happening in ukraine is really a proxy war with the west. there's a lot of rhetoric about that among the russian supporters of the kremlin policy. i assume this would kind of feed more into propaganda along those lines from the russian standpoint? >> reporter: look, i'm speculating here, but having

watched a lot of russian state media and some of the fire breathing commentators there, they continually tell the russian television viewing audience, they frame this as a war between russia and the u.s. and nato here in ukraine. not just against ukrainian soldiers. we know neither nato nor the u.s. have officially sent any troops to battle on the ground here, but that's the way they frame it. so i can anticipate that there will be voices within the kremlin controlled media that will be celebrating the downing of a u.s. uav, in part because there have not been many big successes that the russian military can point to throughout the course of more than a year of fighting here with daily deaths and losses along the front lines. >> ivan watson, thanks very much. coming up next, former attorney general eric holder joins us on a range of subjects,

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just two days after the federal government took action in the collapse of silicon valley bank and signature bank, it appears the immediate financial damage has passed. markets finished the day on an

upswing and shares in similar sized banks also recovered. the justice department and securities and exchange commission have opened investigations into one of the banks, silicon valley, according to sources familiar with the matter. one told cnn the probes are in their preliminary stages. joining us to talk about the bank collapse and also major voting rights case going on in north carolina is eric holder, who served as attorney general during the obama administration. mr. attorney general, appreciate you joining us. first i want to ask you about the doj, their investigation of the silicon valley bank collapse. is that warranted? what would that look like? >> well, it's hard to know exactly what the contours of the investigation are going to look like. we're at the beginning stages of any investigations they would conduct. but my guess would be that you would start looking at people who ran the bank and whether or not they made stock trades that are close in time to the problems that the bank had. and then you would broaden the investigation to look at whether or not there's any underlying conduct, inappropriate conduct,

potentially criminal conduct that led to the bank failures. it's a question of whether or not it was malfeasance as opposed to negligence. i would guess without knowing that the first parts of the investigation would look at any stock trades. >> that is the reporting on it, that there would be stock sales that svb officers made days before the bank failed. any stock sales, that would be a big red flag. >> yeah, potentially. you know, if stock trades are made close in time to something negative happening to the bank, that immediately raises suspicions. it's entirely possible that these stock trades were made on a schedule that just happened to coincide with the collapse of the bank. but that is certainly something that the justice department would want to look at, as well as the s.e.c. in the beginning stages. i think it broadens from there to look at exactly why did the bank fail, what was the role of the people who were running the bank in connection with that

failure. >> there's also these indications in new york the former president could soon be indicted by a manhattan grand jury in connection to hush money payments to stormy daniels. would that impact or damage the election related investigations in georgia and washington, d.c. as well as the inquiry into the mar-a-lago documents? >> no, not really. these are investigations and potential indictments that are running on different tracks. so what happens in connection with stormy daniels in new york really won't impact the january 6th investigation, the investigation into the classified documents, or the investigation that's going on in fulton county. interestingly, you could have some overlap between what's going on in fulton county and a potential january 6th investigation where you might say the president tried to obstruct the ongoing -- the transfer of power and bring into that case that might be cited here, federal case that might be cited here in washington, d.c., bring into that case what he said and that was recorded in

georgia where he's asking for that 11,780 votes or whatever it was. that could be a specification and a conspiracy charge in washington, d.c., though the conduct actually part of the conduct actually happened in georgia. >> you are focused right now very much on the rehearing of this redistricting case in north carolina, the gop lawmakers, they lost the case at the state level last year. appealed to had u.s. supreme court. they're also having this redo at the north carolina supreme court since that, they now have a republican majority on the bench there. talk a little bit about this case, why you're so focused on it, why you think it's so egregious. >> it's a pretty breathtaking thing, what republicans are trying to do in north carolina. when they drew the maps, the original maps and tried to redistrict the state both at the state legislative level and with regard to the house of representatives, they drew maps that the previous it reration o

the supreme court said were unconstitutional gerrymanders. one of the people responsible for drawing that gerrymandered map said what we're trying to do is draw a map that had 11-3 -- 11 republicans, 3 democrats. north carolina supreme court said no, you can't do that. north carolina is pretty much a 50/50 state. president biden lost the state by about 2%, governor cooper is a democrat, now serves as governor. after the previous iteration of the supreme court looked at the case and decided the maps were unfair gerrymanders and new maps were drawn, guess what, you had a congressional delegation that was 7-7, seven democrats, seven republicans. north carolina supreme court flips the only court that flips from democrat to republican control, and now it appears that this new iteration of the north carolina supreme court is looking at a decision that was only put in place i guess three, four, five months ago by the supreme court of the same state.

and may reverse that case. and you know, what's bothersome about this is that this is a decision that could be based on personnel as opposed to principle and precedent. and it is also something that is disturbing because it's consistent with what we're seeing in the united states supreme court, the overturning of roe, i think, is a function of personnel, not principle, and not adherence to precedence. >> are there national implications on this? could the repercussions -- are the repercussions nationally if the legal theory involved in the case is upheld in the court? >> yeah, that's something that is before the supreme court. the independent state legislature doctrine said courts should not have any role in the redistricting determination. it's in the front to our notion of checks and balances. the independent state legislature theory says only state legislatures, not the courts, not the governor, only state legislatures can have the

ability to make determinations with what redistricting looks like. when i talked about that person in north carolina, that legislator who said they were trying to draw a map of 11-3 in a 50/50 state, you would have legislators and legislatures around the country, republican controlled generally, who would draw these maps that would try to keep themselves in power regardless of how the people in that state wanted to vote. so that case has national implications. >> eric holder, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. coming up, cnn new polling on the 2024 republican presidential race. which candidates and potential candidates do voters like in a head-to-head matchup and interesting findings when you dig deeper into the numbers. awh, use priceline. they have package deals no one else has. [son inflates] we can do it! ♪go to your happy price♪ ♪priceline♪

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new cnn polling is out on the 2024 presidential race, giving insight on potential head-to-head matchups among republicans including a likely battle between donald trump and florida governor ron desantis. also interesting breakdowns on the electorate. john king joins us with the numbers. what does the poll say about potential voters' top choice for the nominee? >> reporter: it's fascinating but i want to do this in the context of 2016. where are we right now as we look ahead to 2024? let's start right there. the first choice, forgive me for turning my back. right now, right now, about 11 months before anybody votes, this is a trump/desantis race at the top. 40% for the former president. 36% for the florida governor. margin of error, 4%. mike pence, the former vice

president, 6%. governor haley at 6%. if you look at it right now, a crowded likely field with trump and desantis locked at the top, and just for the sake of argument, just use your imagination. make cruz desantis, rubio is haley, this is what republicans worry about. if you go back to 2016, ted cruz won iowa, but just barely. then you come over to the state of new hampshire which is next. donald trump wins with just 35%, but republicans have winner take all or mostly winner take all. 35%. i could go through them, but here's what republicans are worry about. if you see donald trump in the poll, he's pretty strong. if you have a bunch of other candidates and lump them all together. let's say you're cruz/kasich/rubio, they got 50% combined. donald trump won the nomination,

because of the crowded field. that's the conversation among republicans. yes, desantis at the top with trump now, but what about the others and doesn't it help trump? >> when you break it down by education, what does the poll say? >> fascinating. one of the biggest divides is education and that's true in the republican party. forgive me while i stretch this out. this is trump's base. noncollege educated republicans. 48% of them, nearly half, support donald trump. but desantis is competitive. 34% among republicans or likely republican primary voters who do not have a college degree. look at those with a college degree. desantis, 41%. trump, 31%. education is a big divide. >> when it comes to what is most important about a potential republican nominee, what is that? >> you could argue it benefits trump. if you ask issues, the economy is number one, immigration behind that, but look at this, what's more important in a nominee, they can beat biden or

that you agree with them. they agree with you on most issues. nearly 6 in 10 say agree on the issues. 41% say beat biden. donald trump lost to joe biden. a lot of republicans don't want to process that, but he did. this helps donald trump. also, that also explains why so many candidates are running like trump in the primaries because they understand the new republican electorate is trumpy and they want a candidate that agrees with them. >> stay with us. i want to bring in liz griffin, also cnn chief political correspondent dana bash, co-anchor of "state of the union." alyssa, you're looking at your former boss, president trump, looking at these poll numbers, what does he see? >> i'm sure he's a bit threatened by how much ron desantis is gaining on him. they're statistically in a dead heat, but i think 40%, there's a theory of the case that 40% is a high water mark for donald trump. so long as he maintains that and doesn't lose it, this race is his. and i have seen him operate on the national stage enough to

know that a lot of folks will ultimately consolidate around him. now we're two years out. i don't want to make pronouncements too quickly. desantis has a lot more to prove than trump does. with trump, not many americans' minds are not made up about him. for him to be polling at 40% is quite remarkable. so the open question now is ron desantis' staying power, when it starts coming to are you going to talk to the mainstream press snow does he play in iowa, new hamp hampshire, south carolina, and on a debate stage with donald trump. >> dana, the numbers are good for governor desantis. he hasn't been, to her point, tested on the national stage. you think he benefits politically by not officially being in the race yet? >> you know, it's unclear whether it matters that much at this early stage, whether he is officially in or not, because there's so much attention on him, particularly from the donors, from the electorate as our poll shows, who are not

necessarily pro-trump. and so that is again because we're so early, it almost doesn't necessarily matter whether he's official or not. what we don't know is as we get, you know, as the calendar flips and as we get closer to debates, as we get closer to the actual voting, whether or not desantis is going to be a governor scott walker of wisconsin back in 2015, who was -- everybody thought was a guy to beat, and then collapsed. >> that seems like a million years ago. >> it's almost analogous. it kind of is a million years ago in politics. but that's the question, is whether or not he is somebody like that. >> john, what -- given the former president continues to speak about the 2020 election obsessively, what does the poll say about republicans and their vuof the legitimacy of the 2020

election. >> i switched the map. donald trump loves that 2016 map. he does not like that map. this is 2020. joe biden won and won con convincingly. this is again an interesting question, as the republican primaries and caucuses play out, and again, it's why some of the candidates don't want to talk. most republicans don't want to touch this subject. 63%, nearly two-thirds of possible republican primary vitors still say joe biden did not win enough votes to be legitimately elected president. joe biden won enough votes. he's the legitimate president of the united states, but 63% of republicans still say no when you ask them that question. that tells you how much donald trump has changed the republican party, not just on issues but on the idea that if he says an election doesn't count, it doesn't count because this is what happened in 2020, plain and simple. he lost. >> it's incredible, that number of republicans who believe he didn't get the votes. >> it is. it's remarkable. i think it's indicative of the

fact we live in an echo chamber media environment. a lot of folks who believe that are listening to one source of media. what i found most remarkable is sdpoin% who say they care more about a candidate who they agree with than actually winning. i mean, as a republican, we haven't won in some time and haven't won a popular vote in 20 years. you would think if you care about the issues you would think also who is my fighter, who can win and accomplish as many of those issues as possible. that stands out to me quite a bit. that does favor someone like a trump. >> dana, during the former president's speech last night, some of the biggest applause lines were about education, critical race theory, could this be a primary season where we hear less about tabletop issues and more about culture wars or too early to tell? >> right now, absolutely. a lot more about those cultural issues. i mean, again, if you kind of go back in time to 2015, 2016 at the beginning of the last republican primary season, it

was, i mean, there were some sort of cultural issues if you want to call the former president's arguments about immigration cultural. he talked about it as a security issue, but it was a lot more than that, we know that. this time around, he is really just jumping in to some of the issues that we didn't hear from him pretty much at all, never mind during his campaign before, the first or second time, but even during his presidency. and he's doing it because he sees that that is where that portion of the electorate is. and he also sees that that's what governor desantis is doing in florida. >> alyssa, desantis changed his position on ukraine so that it aligns with the former president's position. >> i think i was very surprised to see the response to it. of course, the maga wing of the gop was very pleased. i knew that desantis worked with him in the house. he had the complete opposite

side. he wanted to arm ukraine to the teeth following the 2014 invasion of crimea. i saw main stream republicans say it was a huge misstep on his part and people who are still base republican voters, that's where i worry that desantis might not be properly battle tests in the sense some of his core convictions i'm not sure are laid out. i will note his book did very well. people are clearly interested to know what he believes and what he has to say, but there's been a bit of flip-flopping i think could catch up with him. >> thanks so much. just ahead, some counties in eastern oregon are trying to secede and join the republican dominated idaho. kyung lah is there with the latest on how they got a big lift in making that dream a reality. >> also, former first lady michelle obama talking about the intense spotlight of being the first black family to occupy the white house. >> you know, one small misstep isn't just a misstep for you, but it's for your family, for your community, for your race, for all of humanity because we

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talk of secession or national divorce has been a staple of far right politics for a while, but now some rural counties in eastern oregon want to secede and join idaho. politicians there are rolling out the welcome mat. kyung lah has more.

>> it's extremely frustrating. the rules and regulations that they're making that make sense in the city don't make sense out here. >> reporter: out here in eastern oregon, the expansive rural region, and sandy gilson's home, where we're walking is a world away from the urban cities of the state. do you have anything in common with portland? >> oh, sure. we're all people. >> reporter: but she says, that's about it. and the signs dotting the east tell you what many people here want, known as the greater idaho movement. redraw the state line so liberal portland and the other democratic cities are oregon, and eastern oregon, overwhelmingly republican, joins largely conservative idaho. nearly all of oregon's 17 eastern county governments have approved plans to leave and form

a larger idaho resembling the logo on sandy gilson's hat. is this about politics or differences? >> both. we are very different people. i don't believe that the oregon government as a whole and the supermajority that has been in power there for many decades is listening to eastern oregon at all. >> it just overwhelmingly hit me, this makes sense. >> reporter: so much so that idaho state representative barbara e. heart, a republican, cosponsored a bill to begin dialogue with oregon. >> this is where all the big decisions are made. >> reporter: the bill passed the idaho house and is now before the senate. idaho's government is officially on a path to redraw its state line for the first time since 1864. >> is it possible? i believe it is. when your government will no longer listen to you, what do you do? we don't want them to start an

internal war or battle, but at some point, that's what people are going to turn to if they can't be listened to. so they're turning to us. >> the country is so torn apart right now. by ideology. is this your vision of peace? >> it is one of the solutions, yes. are we going to carve georgia out of atlanta, are we going to carve austin out of texas, are we going to slice michigan? it's a ridiculous road to go down. >> reporter: state representative elana rubell knows all about being a political minority. she's a democrat in ruby red idaho. and voted against the state bill. are you surprised that it has already gotten this far? >> i'm saddened but i'm not surprised. >> we are in a time i think of unprecedented partisanship and hostility. we heard marjorie taylor greene calling for the breakup of america because it's so unbearable apparently for people of different political

ideologies to live together. >> we don't think of ourselves as a secessionist movement. we see ourselves as a self determination movement. >> reporter: are you hearing from other places around the kuptdry? >> yes, we are hearing from all over the country because this is not a problem that's unique to the state of oregon. >> reporter: matt used to live in oregon but moved east, frustrated by pandemic policies of the city. laws should match the citizens, he says. >> we can match people up to government they want, and everybody gets the government they want and the political tension goes down. >> reporter: should this happen in other places? >> yes y believe we should. i think most americans agree, we should try to get people government that they want. >> portland's changed. salem's changed. eugene has changed. >> reporter: what do you say when the people of those cities say that they're changing with the times and that's the america of today? >> they say it's more

progressive to have government tell you what to do. but the people here haven't changed. >> so kyung, idaho's government is having talks with oregon, but there's hurdles to cross before redrawing lines from the 1800s. >> exactly, a bunch of hurdles. there has been progress in idaho. there's a similar measure in oregon, and that hasn't quite gotten traction yet. but if these two states agree, if they redraw state lines, there is an even bigger hurdle, and that's that they need approval from congress. but let's just say that all of this does happen. how would this look? well, this is oregon, where i'm standing here on this side of the river. on the other side of the river, over there, that is idaho. where i'm standing here in oregon, this would become idaho, just like 250 miles to my north, to my west, and to my south, all of this would form a new giant

idaho. it would be one of the largest geographic states in the entire country. anderson, organizers say it would be about the size of montana. anderson. >> kyung lah, thank you. just ahead, massive storms lashing both coasts tonight. the latest on the severe rain now expanding into southern california. thousands under evacuation orders there. also a nor'easter has forced airports to cancel flights and brought almost three feet of snow to parts of new england. what's the big deal? what's the big deal? what's the big deal? ♪marching band music♪ ♪marching band music♪ i'll get a cart. get two! scotts daylawn saving is the biggest deal of the year. stock up early and save up to $20 dollars on the best scotts products.

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cnn meteorologist derek van dam joins us with the latest. i know you're in central massachusetts. what are conditions like there? >> reporter: yeah, here in worchester, massachusetts, i like to say that we have movie snow, right? that real winter wonderland unfolding behind me. but took entire winter season to get our first nor'easter along the eastern sea board and it delivered. in fact, over 30 inches of very heavy, wet snow and brought problems to the ground and also to the skies. take a listen. an intense nor'easter is bringing heavy snow, winds and coastal flooding across the northeast. >> we do expect that it's going to come back with a vengeance, as front comes through and pushes everything out, that wind will pick up. >> we have about two to three inches falling every hour. >> reporter: parts of new york and new jersey both under a state of emergency. >> this could be a foot of snow. so this is a meaningful storm. >> reporter: the new york state department of transportation doing what it can to keep the roads clear. >> first of all, always keep an eye on the weather.

don't drive if you don't have to. when there's weather, you've got to give yourself time. >> reporter: a delta airlines air bus partially, quote, exited off a taxi way at a syracuse airport, according to the company. delta did not confirm if the incident was storm-related. however, winter weather did cause a ground delay at laguardia airport through the day. >> so one delay after another, hopefully we're not stuck overnight. >> reporter: hundreds of thousands of people are without power across the northeast, according to power outage.u.s. >> certainly never drive over a downed wire. you know, respect the crews and their work areas. >> reporter: the winter weather forcing school districts in nassau, new hampshire and worchester, massachusetts, to close. >> biggest concern for residents is to make sure they stay home and stay safe. >> reporter: the nor'easter is forecasted to continue into wednesday. >> dig out the next two days and go from there. >> i'm alive in spirit. i love the snow.

i love all the weather. i live in new england. come on. >> reporter: so anderson, i mentioned that this is a very heavy, wet snow. it's sticking to all the branchs and to all the power lines. now the real trouble comes into play tonight when the winds pick up out of the northeast. that's why we call it a nor'easter. so the potential for power outages still continues tonight. anderson? >> derek van dam. appreciate it. up next, michelle obama spe speaking about the responsibility she and her family felt about the first black family and avoiding mistakes or missteps was so important to her.

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